(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c342/hemi666/locus17.jpg)
Nicknamed the "Quebec Bomb" by designer Luc Chartrand, the 2007 Plethore from HHT Locus Technologies is set to explode on to the exotic car scene at the 2007 Montreal International Auto Show in late January.
Constructed completely from carbon fiber, the mid-engine Plethore tips the scales at a mere 2,450 lbs. In standard guise, the GM-sourced 8.2-liter V8 sends 750 horsepower through the Tremec 6-speed manual gearbox with optional engine packages up to 1,300 horsepower available. To put that into perspective, let's run some numbers. In standard form, the Plethore only needs to move 3.27 pounds with each horsepower generated by the big V8. Compare that to the Bugatti Veyron at 3.52 lbs/hp and you get an idea of the potential of this vehicle. Even crazier is the number with the available 1,300 horsepower package; an astounding 1.88 lb/hp that cozies right up to an F1 car at around 1.65 lb/hp.
Like a McLaren F1, the Plethore has a central driving position for the driver and sports two passenger seats in the rear to either side of the driver. The company states that the vehicle can comfortably seat three passengers up to 6'6" in height, quite a feat for an exotic, and comes standard with most of the creature comforts available in luxury cars.
Pricing for he 2007 Plethore starts at around $330,000 CDN or about $288,000 US. Not a bad deal considering the performance potential. If the Plethore performs anywhere near what the numbers say it should, this could be the supercar deal of the century. For the price of a single Bugatti Veyron, which it should outperform, you could fill your garage with the Plethore, an MB S63 AMG, a Bentley Continental Flying Spur and still have enough left over for a vacation house in the country.
HEMI666: stevencar in the C&D forums posted this article, too. See my reply to him in the C&D forums as it's too lengthy to repeat. The Nethead here wishes all specialty exotic car manufacturers well--they've probably all got a lot of the personal fortunes of their founders tied up in their efforts--but history is not on their side, as I noted in my posting there. OTOH, never trying guarantees never succeeding which is why I wish them all well...
This...
(http://www.locussupercar.com/en/photo_02.jpg)
...kind of puzzles me a little bit.? Otherwise, good luck to him.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 19, 2007, 09:34:14 AM
This...
(http://www.locussupercar.com/en/photo_02.jpg)
...kind of puzzles me a little bit.? Otherwise, good luck to him.
The picture is kinda small. What puzzles you about it?
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 19, 2007, 10:13:01 AM
The picture is kinda small.? What puzzles you about it?
I'm thinking that it's a 502 big block crate engine. It just seems to be a pretty big lump to stick in an exotic that would be concerned about weight and balance. I can see that it's mid-mounted and balance may not be such a great concern...but I would've thought that a nicely blown more compact, lighter design would be more desireable in that type of car.
The only supercar I see is the one in the background :huh:
I don't think I could pay $288,000 for a car named Plethora, or any car for that matter.
And honestly, how is that car going to put 1300hp to the ground? It looks like it would just fly away. It definately needs a giant wing on the back, and a parachute.
Eck. Next.
Looks like an Eclipse molded with a KZ1 and hood scoops.
Quote from: NACar on January 19, 2007, 06:03:25 PM
I don't think I could pay $288,000 for a car named Plethora, or any car for that matter.
And honestly, how is that car going to put 1300hp to the ground? It looks like it would just fly away. It definately needs a giant wing on the back, and a parachute.
The McLaren F1 didn't have a giant wing.
I admit that it is kinda strange looking, but it's kinda growing on me. I am interested in seeing what it can do in a test.
Quote from: FoMoJo on January 19, 2007, 11:19:55 AM
I'm thinking that it's a 502 big block crate engine.? It just seems to be a pretty big lump to stick in an exotic that would be concerned about weight and balance.? I can see that it's mid-mounted and balance may not be such a great concern...but I would've thought that a nicely blown more compact, lighter design would be more desireable in that type of car.?
From what I've heard, the 502 isn't that heavy when fitted with aluminum heads, intake, water pump and other various bits. It does seem to be a little out of character for the rest of the car- its a slow revving torque monster more suited to dragging than road racing, and without exotic work done in the oil pan is likely to oil starve in high G cornering- but those things can be overcome and for over a quarter mil they damn well better have been.
I'd rather have this, and save $180,000 or so.
(http://www.priceofhistoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/attack-k1-10.jpg)
:ohyeah:
Now that car is a looker.
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 19, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
The McLaren F1 didn't have a giant wing.
The Mclaren also didn't have 1300 horsepower.
Quote from: Payman on January 20, 2007, 09:44:44 AM
I'd rather have this, and save $180,000 or so.
(http://www.priceofhistoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/attack-k1-10.jpg)
:ohyeah:
That's cool. What the hell is it?
K1 Attack. It's a Czech company but there is an importer in the US somewhere. It's a complete kit package that uses the running gear from a Honda Accord. I'll post a link.
{edit} Here's the link, but their site seems to be under construction. [http://www.k1-styling.sk/main.php (http://www.k1-styling.sk/main.php)
Quote from: Payman on January 25, 2007, 10:34:48 AM
K1 Attack. It's a Czech company but there is an importer in the US somewhere. It's a complete kit package that uses the running gear from a Honda Accord. I'll post a link.
A Honda Accord? :confused:
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 25, 2007, 10:36:31 AM
A Honda Accord? :confused:
It's probably quite light. V6 Accord makes 240bhp, which is a lot of power. People are so used to things having too much power that they think they're getting cheated when they're getting more than enough. I'm not saying this about you specifically, but just in general.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg345793#msg345793 date=1169746724
It's probably quite light.? V6 Accord makes 240bhp, which is a lot of power.? People are so used to things having too much power that they think they're getting cheated when they're getting more than enough.? I'm not saying this about you specifically, but just in general.
Not at all, but for me 240 hp is not enough no matter how light the car is :lol:
I just wonder about the Accord suspension and torsional rigidity for a supercar.
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 25, 2007, 10:46:24 AM
Not at all, but for me 240 hp is not enough no matter how light the car is :lol:
I just wonder about the Accord suspension and torsional rigidity for a supercar.
Oh, that's an interesting inquiry. I'm not sure.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg345772#msg345772 date=1169746070
The Mclaren also didn't have 1300 horsepower.
No, but it had a 242 mph top speed. If the body, belly pan, rear diffuser, and hidden aerodynamic aids (like the McLaren F1's electric fans) are designed well, a big ass wing is not needed.
Yeah, this thing weighs something like 1800 lb and does 0-60 in 4.0 seconds with a mildly modded Accord V6.
If I remember correctly, the kit is $17,000 US and requires only a doner Accord. Of course there are lots of options like a convertible top, side windows, A/C, hard top, custom wheels, etc. But the important thing is you can have a kick-ass street machine for the price of a loaded Accord.
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 25, 2007, 10:50:20 AM
No, but it had a 242 mph top speed.? If the body, belly pan, rear diffuser, and hidden aerodynamic aids (like the McLaren F1's electric fans) are designed well, a big ass wing is not needed.?
When I read that a car is made by a "designer" rather than an "engineer", I get to thinking there is a good chance that's form over function.
But who knows, I don't.
:huh:
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 25, 2007, 10:46:24 AM
Not at all, but for me 240 hp is not enough no matter how light the car is? :lol:
I just wonder about the Accord suspension and torsional rigidity for a supercar.
Only the engine/tranny is from the Accord. It has its own suspension/brake package. I like how the pushrod actuated shocks are exposed at the front. :ohyeah:
Quote from: Payman on January 25, 2007, 10:50:44 AM
Yeah, this thing weighs something like 1800 lb and does 0-60 in 4.0 seconds with a mildly modded Accord V6.
If I remember correctly, the kit is $17,000 US and requires only a doner Accord. Of course there are lots of options like a convertible top, side windows, A/C, hard top, custom wheels, etc.? But the important thing is you can have a kick-ass street machine for the price of a loaded Accord.
Soooooooooooooooo, does that mean this car is a FWD supercar?
Quote from: Payman on January 25, 2007, 10:54:14 AM
Only the engine/tranny is from the Accord. It has its own suspension/brake package. I like how the pushrod actuated shocks are exposed at the front. :ohyeah:
Ok, so it's NOT FWD?
it has different suspension(or a different set-up at the very least), you can see the springs in the front hood vents.
(http://www.priceofhistoys.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/attack-k1-2.jpg)
(http://www.diseno-art.com/images/K1_attack_F-Type.jpg)
(http://cache.boston.com/cars/galleries/hybridevent/alt/k1attack_6.jpg)
(http://hometown.aol.com/kit512tr/images/k%201%20back%20re%20style.jpg)
:rockon:
That looks sweet. I would still supercharge the Accord V6 cause 240 hp is not enough.
Back to topic, is it AWD or RWD
Wow, that's not an expensive kit at all.
However, the FFR Cobra + 1987 Stang GT would probably be cheaper, since a used Accord V6 manual would probably command a good amount of cash on the used market.
here are 25 pictures of the Plethore
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/locus-plethore/
It's much better looking then what the first picture in this thread shows. However it doesn't look like they completed the interior in time. :lol:
$250,000... and THAT's the interior? Compare it with the Attack interior.? :confused:
i like the background in the interior pic. :lol:
campana t-rex ftl.
I love the T-Rex. Too bad it's overpriced by $25K. :(
yeah, now if VW makes their GX3 that thing looked awesome.
Quote from: Payman on January 25, 2007, 11:01:34 AM
(http://hometown.aol.com/kit512tr/images/k%201%20back%20re%20style.jpg)
Holy shit I'm drooling.
Where did this topic go from a supercar to a fucking accord :confused:
How come Canada can make the car for so much cheaper that everyone else? I'm sort of scepticle about this thing's quality. I mean, Plethora?
That's not an inspiring name. Why not just save the trouble and go with "Mediocre!"
Quote from: Tave on January 25, 2007, 12:14:41 PM
Where did this topic go from a supercar to a fucking accord :confused:
How come Canada can make the car for so much cheaper that everyone else? I'm sort of scepticle about this thing's quality. I mean, Plethora?
That's not an inspiring name. Why not just save the trouble and go with "Mediocre!"
There's a slight difference between an Accord and a sportscar powered by a Honda V6. And what's cheap about a $250,000 fibreglass car powered by a crate V8?
Quote from: Tave on January 25, 2007, 12:14:41 PM
Where did this topic go from a supercar to a fucking accord :confused:
How come Canada can make the car for so much cheaper that everyone else? I'm sort of scepticle about this thing's quality. I mean, Plethora?
That's not an inspiring name. Why not just save the trouble and go with "Mediocre!"
Is this a serious post? :confused:
This is a fiberglass car powered by a Honda V6.
The Lotus Elise is powered by the 1.8 Toyota motor, does that mean that if I post a thread about one in here I'm posting about a "fucking Toyota Celica"?
Jeez kid.
No it wasn't a serious post. I'm just sayin let's talk about this car. There was hardly anything said about it before its topic got highjacked.
Quote from: Payman on January 25, 2007, 12:17:51 PM
There's a slight difference between an Accord and a sportscar powered by a Honda V6. And what's cheap about a $250,000 fibreglass car powered by a crate V8?
Because the people promissing the same performance seem to be doing so for much more. Noble? Saleen? Koeniggseg? etc... The story compares it to the Bugatti Veyron, which costs, shit, more than 5 times as more. Another poster has mentioned the F1, which costs a lot more as well. I'm just sayin, how is this company doing it for so much more less? I'm guessing there must be some sort of difference in quality, or durability, but I don't know for sure. It's name, Pleathora, leads one to an assumption though...
name maybe, these people have yet to build a reputation for themselves.
Quote from: heelntoe on January 25, 2007, 12:56:54 PM
name maybe, these people have yet to build a reputation for themselves.
Exactly. All of those other companies can charge that much because they are also selling an image that goes with their name.
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 25, 2007, 01:21:06 PM
Exactly. All of those other companies can charge that much because they are also selling an image that goes with their name.
Noble has almost no reputation in the US, and you can build a kicking M12 in the US for 56K plus running gear. Saleen is a name that is foreign to non-enthusiasts. Koenigsegg? Most people wouldn't even know how to begin to pronounce it.
Quote from: HEMI666 on January 25, 2007, 01:21:06 PM
Exactly.? All of those other companies can charge that much because they are also selling an image that goes with their name.
What is an image-unconscious person like myself supposed to do for pure driving enjoyment without all the hassles of people coming up to me and asking me about my car? What's the best supercar I can get for the least amount of money, regardless of the brand name?
I would just build one from scratch, but I don't have those kind of tools. Lotus 7/Caterham kit car perhaps?
lotus elise. but at ~50k it's not that inexpensive.
Quote from: NACar on January 25, 2007, 03:08:19 PM
What is an image-unconscious person like myself supposed to do for pure driving enjoyment without all the hassles of people coming up to me and asking me about my car? What's the best supercar I can get for the least amount of money, regardless of the brand name?
I would just build one from scratch, but I don't have those kind of tools. Lotus 7/Caterham kit car perhaps?
For me, I would build a Cobra replica.
Quote from: NACar on January 25, 2007, 03:08:19 PM
What is an image-unconscious person like myself supposed to do for pure driving enjoyment without all the hassles of people coming up to me and asking me about my car? What's the best supercar I can get for the least amount of money, regardless of the brand name?
I would just build one from scratch, but I don't have those kind of tools. Lotus 7/Caterham kit car perhaps?
Factory Five's cheapest kit is about 12 grand. Add a donor 1987-1994 Mustang GT, and work from there. You can build a Locost for about 2 grand they say, if you can do all the work yourself.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg346047#msg346047 date=1169763847
Factory Five's cheapest kit is about 12 grand.? Add a donor 1987-1994 Mustang GT, and work from there.? You can build a Locost for about 2 grand they say, if you can do all the work yourself.
I have an info pack from them. Their new '65 MKlll can be built with a '94-2004 donor.
Quote from: Payman on January 25, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
I have an info pack from them. Their new '65 MKlll can be built with a '94-2004 donor.
I was thinking "2004" but wrote "1994" for some reason.
Quote from: Payman on January 25, 2007, 10:50:44 AM
Yeah, this thing weighs something like 1800 lb and does 0-60 in 4.0 seconds with a mildly modded Accord V6.
If I remember correctly, the kit is $17,000 US and requires only a doner Accord. Of course there are lots of options like a convertible top, side windows, A/C, hard top, custom wheels, etc.? But the important thing is you can have a kick-ass street machine for the price of a loaded Accord.
I just read about the K1 Attack on their website. This is what I found out:
? Attack Roadster V6-SX standard equipment 60.900.- EUR (+VAT)
$78,962.9 US Dollar ($93,209.4 Canadian Dollar) ? Attack JD-R Racing Edition 320hp/335Nm, FIA hom. 71.600.- EUR (+VAT)
92,836.6 US Dollar ($109,586 Canadian Dollar) Who knows what it would actually cost to import it.? Engine 3.0 V-6, 242hp/300Nm
? Gearbox short 6 speed manual
? Length 4040 mm (159,0 inch)
? Width 1860 mm (73,2 inch)
? Width/mirrors 1980 mm (77,9 inch)
? Height 1055 mm (41,5 inch)
? Wheel Base 2440 mm (96,0 inch)
? Weight 992 kg (2182 lbs)
? Trunk capacity 203liters (roof storage)
? Fuel tank cpct. 43 liters, (5 reserve)
? Front Rotors ?330 floating, drilled, vented
? Front Calipers double side 4 pistons alumin.
? Rear Brakes ?300 vented rotors/1pist.calip.
? Tires Front 215/45 ZR17" soft comp.
? Tires Rear 265/35 ZR18" soft comp.
? Wheels Alu. Fr. 8x17" / Rr. 9x18" ET35
? Layout mid.Engine, rear wh.drive
? Load distribt. Front axle 48%, Rear 52%
? 0-100 km/h 4.9 sec. (ST-V6)
? Top Speed 250 km/h (electr.limited)
For the record, in the K1 Attack you take a FWD drivetrain (engine+tranny+driveshafts+accesories+electronics) and bolt it in transversely like a FWD car but behind the drivers compartment... resulting in a nice compact mid-engine RWD layout with IRS. In the US you must buy it as a kit car and assemble it and register it as a kit car since its not EPA or DOT approved.
there was some publicity at the philly autoshow a year or two ago where some high school kids took the chassis and put a TDI VW engine in it and completely embarrased all the greenie hybrid cars in the fuel mileage category for less money and while having more performance.
Quote from: HEMI666 on February 01, 2007, 01:31:38 PM
I just read about the K1 Attack on their website.? This is what I found out:
? Attack Roadster V6-SX standard equipment 60.900.- EUR (+VAT) $78,962.9 US Dollar ($93,209.4 Canadian Dollar)
? Attack JD-R Racing Edition 320hp/335Nm, FIA hom. 71.600.- EUR (+VAT) 92,836.6 US Dollar ($109,586 Canadian Dollar)
Who knows what it would actually cost to import it.
? Engine 3.0 V-6, 242hp/300Nm?
? Gearbox short 6 speed manual?
? Length 4040 mm (159,0 inch)?
? Width 1860 mm (73,2 inch)?
? Width/mirrors 1980 mm (77,9 inch)?
? Height 1055 mm (41,5 inch)?
? Wheel Base 2440 mm (96,0 inch)?
? Weight 992 kg (2182 lbs)?
? Trunk capacity 203liters (roof storage)?
? Fuel tank cpct. 43 liters, (5 reserve)?
? Front Rotors ?330 floating, drilled, vented?
? Front Calipers double side 4 pistons alumin.?
? Rear Brakes ?300 vented rotors/1pist.calip.?
? Tires Front 215/45 ZR17" soft comp.?
? Tires Rear 265/35 ZR18" soft comp.?
? Wheels Alu. Fr. 8x17" / Rr. 9x18" ET35?
? Layout mid.Engine, rear wh.drive?
? Load distribt. Front axle 48%, Rear 52%?
? 0-100 km/h 4.9 sec. (ST-V6)?
? Top Speed 250 km/h (electr.limited)?
This must be for TURNKEY cars. I remember reading the kit costs $17,000. :huh:
It's definitely cool, but at the end of the day, I'm buying the FFR.
Quote from: NACar on January 25, 2007, 03:08:19 PM
What is an image-unconscious person like myself supposed to do for pure driving enjoyment without all the hassles of people coming up to me and asking me about my car? What's the best supercar I can get for the least amount of money, regardless of the brand name?
I would just build one from scratch, but I don't have those kind of tools. Lotus 7/Caterham kit car perhaps?
Ultima.
Quote from: Payman on February 01, 2007, 03:37:02 PM
This must be for TURNKEY cars. I remember reading the kit costs $17,000.? :huh:
indeed it is as K1 is actually a manufacturer in CR and sells the car as a car. We need to import it as a kit, which is around $17k
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg352691#msg352691 date=1170369614
It's definitely cool, but at the end of the day, I'm buying the FFR.
That's what I would rather have too.
Quote from: r0tor on February 01, 2007, 04:40:59 PM
indeed it is as K1 is actually a manufacturer in CR and sells the car as a car.? We need to import it as a kit, which is around $17k
Where did you find that price?
Quote from: r0tor on February 01, 2007, 04:40:59 PM
indeed it is as K1 is actually a manufacturer in CR and sells the car as a car.? We need to import it as a kit, which is around $17k
double post
Quote from: HEMI666 on February 01, 2007, 05:00:22 PM
That's what I would rather have too.
It's just cheaper, proven, and easier to find. I mean, try finding a running Accord V6 with a stickshift without dropping a lot of money. 87 Stang GT? They're practically giving them away.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg353363#msg353363 date=1170421531
It's just cheaper, proven, and easier to find.? I mean, try finding a running Accord V6 with a stickshift without dropping a lot of money.? 87 Stang GT?? They're practically giving them away.
After I build my house, I'm seriously considering a FFR Cobra. I'm also thinking of going with a cheapo V6 donor, because I'd like to go with a Roush engine, Brembo brakes, and the optional FFR suspension pieces.
Quote from: r0tor on February 01, 2007, 01:48:15 PM
there was some publicity at the philly autoshow a year or two ago where some high school kids took the chassis and put a TDI VW engine in it and completely embarrased all the greenie hybrid cars in the fuel mileage category for less money and while having more performance.
This one?
(http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/8149/p1010010xk5.th.jpg) (http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010010xk5.jpg)
(http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/589/p1010013wr1.th.jpg) (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010013wr1.jpg)
(http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/2294/p1010014js5.th.jpg) (http://img488.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1010014js5.jpg)
I have once again come to the conclusion that my high school sucked.
Quote from: Payman on February 02, 2007, 04:52:21 PM
After I build my house, I'm seriously considering a FFR Cobra. I'm also thinking of going with a cheapo V6 donor, because I'd like to go with a Roush engine, Brembo brakes, and the optional FFR suspension pieces.
A cheap Stang V6? I wonder if the kit will take it. If so, I'd probably try and stick a Mustang SVO's engine in there. I also believe they have an IRS option for it.
But how much would you be saving over an 87 GT?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg354152#msg354152 date=1170473807
A cheap Stang V6?? I wonder if the kit will take it.? If so, I'd probably try and stick a Mustang SVO's engine in there.? I also believe they have an IRS option for it.?
But how much would you be saving over an 87 GT?
Yes, a V6 'stang will work. My logic is this: The components of a $2000 V6 Mustang should be in much better shape than those of a $2000 GT. A turbo four in a Cobra? Why would you want to do that? And yes, the IRS option uses mechanicals from the T-bird. So there you go... get an '87 T-bird turbo, and you got your SVO engine AND your rear end.
Quote from: Payman on February 02, 2007, 08:55:05 PM
Yes, a V6 'stang will work. My logic is this: The components of a $2000 V6 Mustang should be in much better shape than those of a $2000 GT. A turbo four in a Cobra? Why would you want to do that? And yes, the IRS option uses mechanicals from the T-bird. So there you go... get an '87 T-bird turbo, and you got your SVO engine AND your rear end.
My friend wants to build one with a Subaru 2.5 out of the STI. With the turbo four from the SVO, you'd probably get a lighter front end, and therefore better distribution? I'm guessing that the SVO's engine weighs less than the GT's V8. Can you get those T-birds in stick?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg354185#msg354185 date=1170475359
My friend wants to build one with a Subaru 2.5 out of the STI.? With the turbo four from the SVO, you'd probably get a lighter front end, and therefore better distribution?? I'm guessing that the SVO's engine weighs less than the GT's V8.? Can you get those T-birds in stick?
Yes, but I believe they were the crappy Mazda units that also sucked in the Taurus SHO. If I were going to build something around a Subie boxer, it would be a Lotus 7 or something like that. To me, anything other than a V8 in a Cobra kit kinda defeats the purpose.
Quote from: Payman on February 02, 2007, 09:07:58 PM
To me, anything other than a V8 in a Cobra kit kinda defeats the purpose.
Exactly. A Cobra
without the V8 rumble is just plain stupid.
Quote from: Payman on February 02, 2007, 09:07:58 PM
Yes, but I believe they were the crappy Mazda units that also sucked in the Taurus SHO. If I were going to build something around a Subie boxer, it would be a Lotus 7 or something like that. To me, anything other than a V8 in a Cobra kit kinda defeats the purpose.
I agree, but didn't you just say you wanted to build one with a V6?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=7315.msg354638#msg354638 date=1170521109
I agree, but didn't you just say you wanted to build one with a V6?
:lol: No. I'd dump the V6 and put in a Roush V8. V6 Mustangs are cheaper to obtain... that's what I meant.
Quote from: Payman on February 03, 2007, 08:49:09 PM
:lol: No. I'd dump the V6 and put in a Roush V8. V6 Mustangs are cheaper to obtain... that's what I meant.
Oh, I follow. Would the trans be able to handle it?
I think the best cheap supercar would be the Chevy 350 in a Porsche 914. They actually makes kits for it. :ohyeah: