2008 Ford Shelby GT500KR ? Specifications and Design Highlights
? 5.4-liter supercharged V-8 producing an estimated 540-horsepower and 510 ft.-lbs. of torque
? Ford Racing Power Upgrade Pack featuring revised calibration and cold air intake system
? 6-speed manual transmission with 3.73:1 rear axle ratio
? Ford Racing performance exhaust system
? Unique performance suspension tuning: springs, dampers, and stabilizer bars
? Shelby-designed ?GT500KR? 20-inch wheels (18-inch version for production)
? Ford Racing short-throw shifter and front strut tower brace
? Unique carbon composite hood featuring classic Shelby ?KR? design
? Front brake cooling ducts
? ?Shelby? lettering across the front edge of hood and rear decklid
? 40th Anniversary badges on the front quarter panels
? Carroll Shelby signature embroidered headrests and floor mats
? Official Shelby CSM 40th Anniversary GT500KR dash plate
my new favorite "version" of the Mustang. damn it looks MEAN!
(http://www.cycloneinjapan.com/upload/files/46/MustangGT500KR_01.jpg)
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Oh and Craiggy's probably orgasming now.
Looks like they decided to right the wrong with the hood. That's hot. I can't wait to see the performance numbers on this baby.
I didn't see a LSD on the list.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on March 30, 2007, 12:37:46 PM
I didn't see a LSD on the list.
All Mustang V8s have an LSD.
Quote from: Colonel Cadillac on March 30, 2007, 12:37:46 PM
I didn't see a LSD on the list.
Top Gear gets all kinds of information wrong including the absense of an LSD.? All V8 Mustangs have it.
I'm grinning and giggling like a little school girl :lol:
I like it a alot, except for the wheels. In these pictures they look, to me at least, kind of cheap. I would need to see more.
Quote from: LonghornTX on March 30, 2007, 01:58:03 PM
I like it a alot, except for the wheels.? In these pictures they look, to me at least, kind of cheap.? I would need to see more.
I could be wrong but they look like either artist renderings or stylized photographs.
Sex on wheels.
Nevermind then. Even so, I would rather have a Corvette Z06.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 30, 2007, 12:00:57 PM
Oh and Craiggy's probably orgasming now.
Quote from: HEMI666 on March 30, 2007, 01:08:32 PM
I'm grinning and giggling like a little school girl :lol:
:cheers:
Another one of Ford's many flavors of the Mustang--this might be the best yet. It still weighs too much.
How many Mustangs do they make? I've lost count now.
Let me know when the Street Fighter Champion Alpha Mega SHO Edition comes out.
Quote from: Onslaught on March 30, 2007, 04:20:54 PM
How many Mustangs do they make? I've lost count now.
Let me know when the Street Fighter Champion Alpha Mega SHO Edition comes out.
V6
V6 Vert
V6 California Special
GT
GT Vert
GT-H
GT500
GT500KR
Too much power. But I want one.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 30, 2007, 12:00:31 PM
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That's one of the few press pics I've seen where they don't photochop out the non-retractable antenna.
Speaking of which, why don't GT500's and this GT500KR come with retractable antennae anyway?? My z06 came with a fixed antenna for weight savings, but I don't think that is so much concern with the GT500.? It seems to stick out like a sore thumb on this car.
!
Quote from: HEMI666 on March 30, 2007, 12:33:14 PM
Looks like they decided to right the wrong with the hood. That's hot. I can't wait to see the performance numbers on this baby.
Nose slits!! Yeay!!
Quote from: LonghornTX on March 30, 2007, 01:58:03 PM
I like it a alot, except for the wheels. In these pictures they look, to me at least, kind of cheap. I would need to see more.
Yeah, I'd swap them out for a set of American Racing Shelby Razors.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on March 30, 2007, 04:24:38 PM
V6
V6 Vert
V6 California Special
GT
GT Vert
GT-H
GT500
GT500KR
I think the CS is a V8 convertible.
They have one now. The original California Special was a V6. Now there's a GT California Special.
Looks badass. The GT500 doesn't come with fogs does it?
I would get very distracted by watching the non-retractable antenna move back and forth :lol:
Thats a bad looking beast...wouldn't want to see that in my rear view mirror. I love the hood...much better than the GT500 and it looks like an American brute. I think we should start a carspin "get Josh one of these" fund.
That's one great looking car. When Rich and I went to the Cobra Club track day in Kershaw, SC, there were two of these thrashing around the track. One guy took nearly every turn sideways! There's nothing like the sounds and smells of 'merican big iron!
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Quote from: Catman on March 30, 2007, 07:10:22 PM
Looks badass. The GT500 doesn't come with fogs does it?
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Quote from: 565 on March 30, 2007, 04:35:07 PM
That's one of the few press pics I've seen where they don't photochop out the non-retractable antenna.
Speaking of which, why don't GT500's and this GT500KR come with retractable antennae anyway? My z06 came with a fixed antenna for weight savings, but I don't think that is so much concern with the GT500. It seems to stick out like a sore thumb on this car.
It really does. I'd just remove it, since I don't listen to the radio anyway. Why can't they do one of those embedded numbers?
Quote from: MidnightDave on March 30, 2007, 08:08:44 PM
That's one great looking car. When Rich and I went to the Cobra Club track day in Kershaw, SC, there were two of these thrashing around the track. One guy took nearly every turn sideways! There's nothing like the sounds and smells of 'merican big iron!
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"I'm spending my children's inheritance"
:lol: :lol:
I'm extremely disappointed.
I (and quite a few others) was expecting a fire breathing, raging street legal race car, with tons of power, tons of weight reduction, and bare bones, stripped down interior. Meaning, no A/C, no radio, two racing buckets up front and a roll cage. But instead, we get none of that. We get the same bloated pig that the GT500 is, with a power boost.
Lame, Ford. Lame.
Ford is unveiling a new car at Barrett Jackson tomorrow at 7PM and it's selling number 1 for charity then. How much do you want to bet it's a KR?
Quote from: CMan on March 30, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
I'm extremely disappointed.
I (and quite a few others) was expecting a fire breathing, raging street legal race car, with tons of power, tons of weight reduction, and bare bones, stripped down interior. Meaning, no A/C, no radio, two racing buckets up front and a roll cage. But instead, we get none of that. We get the same bloated pig that the GT500 is, with a power boost.
Lame, Ford. Lame.
You're waiting for the Boss version that comes out next year that will be exactly what you're looking for but without the roll cage and with a radio and A/C. It's supposed to weigh in below a GT (3350 lbs is my guess) and will have 440-450 hp.
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It really does.? I'd just remove it, since I don't listen to the radio anyway.? Why can't they do one of those embedded numbers?
It sticks out like a sore thumb only because the car is in front of a white background. Otherwise you barely, if ever, notice it. :rolleyes:
I spent a lot of money putting a kickass stereo system in my Mustang and I never used it. I spent a little more money on the exhaust system and I enjoyed that a lot more. :lol:
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Too much power.? But I want one.?
There's no such thing. You must be on crack. :P
Quote from: sandertheshark on March 30, 2007, 04:37:16 PM
Yeah, I'd swap them out for a set of American Racing Shelby Razors.
Now you're talkin'.? Those are my favourite wheels.
(http://www.hillbankmotorsports.com/images/shelby/SHE-10042-PIC1.jpg)
Doesn't the current GT500 already have traction problems? I've heard its not much quicker than the old S/C Cobra? Why would you want to give the same car more power?
Quote from: JYODER240 on March 31, 2007, 10:20:21 AM
Doesn't the current GT500 already have traction problems? I've heard its not much quicker than the old S/C Cobra? Why would you want to give the same car more power?
MM&FF have taken a stock GT500 down the track at 12.27 seconds and the fastest they ever got a stock Cobra down the 1/4 mile was 12.67 seconds.? MM&FF with minimul bolt-ons and a set of drag radials dropped the ET to 11.2 seconds.
EDIT:? The GT500 either bogs or sends the rear tires up in smoke.? It's a very difficult car to launch.
MM&FF?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg402519#msg402519 date=1175364326
MM&FF?
Muscle
Mustangs and
Fast
Fords. It is by far the most reputable and honest car magazine I've ever read. They were the first ones to get the F-body Camaro into the 12s. If it's crap they say so, if it's good they say so. In their article about the GT500, they roasted Ford for the weight of the car, the hood, and the shifter. They compared a Vette Z51 against a Stage 3 Roush Mustang and were completely honest about both cars.
Quote from: HEMI666 on March 31, 2007, 12:12:46 PM
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords. It is by far the most reputable and honest car magazine I've ever read. They were the first ones to get the F-body Camaro into the 12s. If it's crap they say so, if it's good they say so. In their article about the GT500, they roasted Ford for the weight of the car, the hood, and the shifter. They compared a Vette Z51 against a Stage 3 Roush Mustang and were completely honest about both cars.
That's cool. I usually don't read single manufacturer magazines, because they're too positive. I bought this one Mercedes mag that put the SLK320 in the top 25 most desireable Mercedes Benzes of all time, and in the description, they said "make sure you don't buy the three pedal version".
This mag sounds much better.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg402530#msg402530 date=1175364946
That's cool.? I usually don't read single manufacturer magazines, because they're too positive.? I bought this one Mercedes mag that put the SLK320 in the top 25 most desireable Mercedes Benzes of all time, and in the description, they said "make sure you don't buy the three pedal version".?
This mag sounds much better.
Yeah. These guys race Mustangs and Fords basically every weekend in their spare time so they also know their stuff. They do road tests of production and tuner cars, articles and pictures of reader's cars, they will pit a Mustang vs. whatever the flavour of the day is (ie: Corvette Z51), and they also do dyno tested build-ups, engine parts comparos from as many manufacturers as they can, and lots of tech articles.
there is definately some kind of Mustang being unveiled in a half hour at the Barret Jackson auction on Speed... and carrol shelby will be taking the covers off so i'm guessing we'll be seeing this car in a half hour
Quote from: r0tor on March 31, 2007, 04:39:34 PM
there is definately some kind of Mustang being unveiled in a half hour at the Barret Jackson auction on Speed... and carrol shelby will be taking the covers off so i'm guessing we'll be seeing this car in a half hour
eh, it was only a Shelby GT-H convertible
... that sold for $250k
Quote from: r0tor on March 31, 2007, 04:57:45 PM
... that sold for $250k
I was just coming on to report that.
and now a Fr500C (which Ford only built 28 of) sold for $50k...
so inconclusion a $35k car sold for $250k (although its really a charity contribution more then anythin) and a $125k car s0ld for $50k... rediculous :zzz:
I've heard about a lot of activities of rich people frivilously spending money on cars, especially working at a concours, but $250k on a new Mustang is like spending $100k on a Suzuki Swift GT: what't the point? (other than charity) Barrett-Jackson brings out the best and the worst in people.
Quote from: the Teuton on March 31, 2007, 05:21:47 PM
I've heard about a lot of activities of rich people frivilously spending money on cars, especially working at a concours, but $250k on a new Mustang is like spending $100k on a Suzuki Swift GT:? what't the point? (other than charity)?
That's the point. The proceeds go to charity and the buyer can write it off at income tax time. The guy paid $250,000 for the right to buy the car, not the car itself.? He's still going to have to cough up another $37K for that.? Considering it will be the only GT-H convertible sold directly to a member of the general public and he will most likely never drive it, which will make it the only GT-H convertible to never be driven, the car will be worth well over a million in 10 years.
QuoteBarrett-Jackson brings out the best and the worst in people.
Absolutely.? I watched about 2 hours of it today and I don't understand people.? Obviously the vast majority of these people aren't car guys (or car women).? They just want something cool to show off to their rich neighbours.? A 1970 Cuda with a 440 6 pack went for like $70K, and it was restored to new condition which is better then the fad of restoring to better then new condition.? It's crazy.? That car should have gone for $200K based on what those guys were paying for other cars.? The 440 6 pack Cudas were actually better then the Hemi Cudas.? It's because of auto auctions like Barret-Jackson that you and I will never be able to afford one of these classic beauties.? Rich people are buying these instead of paintings and sculptures.? It pisses me off to no end.? Fuck Barret-Jackson.
As the director of the concours explained to me, you just have to give it time and pressure after you've found the right car, and if you've found the right person to pass it to you, then you've won.? The director of the local Glenmoor concours waited about 30 years to get a Lincoln Model K that has won national recognition.? It can be done without Barrett-Ripoff, but it just takes a little time.
Quote from: HEMI666 on March 30, 2007, 10:53:13 PM
You're waiting for the Boss version that comes out next year that will be exactly what you're looking for but without the roll cage and with a radio and A/C.? It's supposed to weigh in below a GT (3350 lbs is my guess) and will have 440-450 hp.
That sounds great.
Quote from: 850CSi on April 01, 2007, 01:15:58 AM
That sounds great.
You shouldn't be up this time of night. I'm slightly drunk and mostly incoherent and that's the only reason I' here. You should be sleeping or something.
Quote from: the Teuton on April 01, 2007, 01:21:55 AM
You shouldn't be up this time of night.? I'm slightly drunk and mostly incoherent and that's the only reason I' here.? You should be sleeping or something.
I never sleep before 2 or 3 AM. :lol:
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This is by far the most badass Mustang ever built.? I can't stop giggling like a 6 year old girl.? I just wish it would be affordable.? I would drive a Hyundai Pony when it snows or rains if it meant having this car.
All red X's Craig.
Quote from: 850CSi on April 01, 2007, 01:15:58 AM
That sounds great.
The weight # itself sounds awesome.
Quote from: r0tor on March 31, 2007, 05:21:29 PM
and now a Fr500C (which Ford only built 28 of) sold for $50k...
so inconclusion a $35k car sold for $250k (although its really a charity contribution more then anythin) and a $125k car s0ld for $50k... rediculous :zzz:
Worst deal of the century followed by the best deal of the century... Wierd.
There. Fixed.
Seriously, you guys need a Mustang forum.
Meh, not impressed. I'd rather see the Boss. That's the only Mustang i'm truly excited about.
Quote from: Raghavan on April 06, 2007, 02:25:52 PM
Meh, not impressed. I'd rather see the Boss. That's the only Mustang i'm truly excited about.
You have got to be kidding me? The GT500KR is the very deinition of bad-ass.
Sure, in your opinion. MINE is different.
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2007, 02:13:54 PM
Seriously, you guys need a Mustang forum.
You don't need to post in this thread...or even bother opening it. It's your choice, no one is forcing you to.
He's got a point. 8 out of 20 threads on the first page of the fast lane are all about mustangs.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 06, 2007, 02:33:26 PM
You don't need to post in this thread...or even bother opening it.? It's your choice, no one is forcing you to.
You don't need to keep making new Mustang threads either.
Quote from: Raghavan on April 06, 2007, 02:34:40 PM
He's got a point. 8 out of 20 threads on the first page of the fast lane are all about mustangs.
So?? There's lots of Mustang news right now.? It's not our fault there hasn't been much coming from other manufacurers lately. Besides three of those threads are old that were brought back by someone else.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 06, 2007, 02:36:06 PM
So?? There's lots of Mustang news right now.? It's not our fault there hasn't been much coming from other manufacurers lately.
No, it
is your fault that you only pay attention to and post Mustang news.
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2007, 02:37:17 PM
No, it is your fault that you only pay attention to and post Mustang news.
Pwnt.
I could do without the plaque between the A/C vents and it's a little overkill with all the Cobras all over it.. All in all a good looking car.
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2007, 02:37:17 PM
No, it is your fault that you only pay attention to and post Mustang news.
I don't only pay attention to Mustang news and if you weren't so concerned with my obsession with the Mustang you would notice I have started threads that dealt with GM's new small cars, Ford's new Expedition and the Foose F-150. I also started new threads about several other cars and I participate in shit loads more. The Mustang is my favourite car, and if that bothers you then I don't give a flying fuck.
Quote from: NACar on April 06, 2007, 02:35:50 PM
You don't need to keep making new Mustang threads either.
Of those 8 threads I started 4. Two of those are old threads that were brought back to life by someone else. One thread was started by Nethead, another by ifcar, another by 850CSI, and this one by Intrepid.
Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
NACar will win. :praise:
He has his intellectual basils on his side.
Quote from: Raghavan on April 06, 2007, 02:51:57 PM
NACar will win. :praise:
He has his intellectual basils on his side.
It seems you have become obsessed with the Basils. That could be a problem because you see, they are
mine and
not yours.
Fine, i'll plant my own basils and they'll be better than yours. :praise:
Oh, and Craig will win this argument because NACar is being a dick and won't share his basils. :nono:
Quote from: Raghavan on April 06, 2007, 02:54:20 PM
Fine, i'll plant my own basils and they'll be better than yours. :praise:
That is impossible, because mine are the best ever.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 06, 2007, 02:33:26 PM
You don't need to post in this thread...or even bother opening it. It's your choice, no one is forcing you to.
Seriously. If you don't like a thread's subject, or do not care to participate, then don't open it. Seems pretty simple to me :confused:.
Quote from: LonghornTX on April 06, 2007, 03:07:12 PM
Seriously.? If you don't like a thread's subject, or do not care to participate, then don't open it.? Seems pretty simple to me? :confused:.
BTW, what do you think of the new pictures I posted on Page 2?
BTW is the Boss supposed to be a limited edition car?
Quote from: Raghavan on April 06, 2007, 03:16:43 PM
BTW is the Boss supposed to be a limited edition car?
Yeah. I think it's 1000 of them and that's it.
:cry: :cry:
st00pit Ford. They produce a miniscule amount of cars that i actually really really like!
I MUST GET MY HANDS ON A BOSS MUSTANG!!!
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 06, 2007, 03:15:13 PM
BTW, what do you think of the new pictures I posted on Page 2?
It looks a lot better in those pics, the wheels included. Personally, I think I would shrink down the Cobra badges size, probably removing the one on the front.
Quote from: LonghornTX on April 06, 2007, 06:13:16 PM
It looks a lot better in those pics, the wheels included.? Personally, I think I would shrink down the Cobra badges size, probably removing the one on the front.
I thought I would remove the fender badges and keep the one in the grille.
Not bad, not bad. I want sequential tail-lights!
Quote from: Raghavan on April 06, 2007, 02:25:52 PM
Meh, not impressed. I'd rather see the Boss. That's the only Mustang i'm truly excited about.
I feel weird, but the Nethead here is actually in some agreement with the RagDude(?? :(??) It's true, as HemiDude says, that the GT500KR is the latest in a long line of ever-more-powerful production Mustangs. But the various rumors about the Boss make it sound not only more affordable but more appropriate for after-purchase modifications (diddlin' even a little bit with the hardware on a GT500KR will affect it's classic value at auctions some decades from now). The Boss is the one most folks will modify into a wheelstanding dragstrip terror; or a hunkered-down, interior-stripped, fender-flared, rollcage-enhanced, suspension-upgraded, entry-level roadracing asskicker :devil:--done a few steps at a time rather than the whole banana FR500C built to the specs of a particular roadracing series...the GT500KR is for those who want it complete, the Boss is for those who want to stretch the investment out while they try the modifications they feel will give the Mustang the persona they want their vehicle to have while retaining those features they appreciate (like upholstery, perhaps...).
Bliss either way...
Quote from: Nethead on April 09, 2007, 10:32:52 AM
I feel weird, but the Nethead here is actually in some agreement with the RagDude(?? :(??)? It's true, as HemiDude says, that the GT500KR is the latest in a long line of ever-more-powerful production Mustangs.? But the various rumors about the Boss make it sound not only more affordable but more appropriate for after-purchase modifications (diddlin' even a little bit with the hardware on a GT500KR will affect it's classic value at auctions some decades from now).? The Boss is the one most folks will modify into a wheelstanding dragstrip terror; or a hunkered-down, interior-stripped, fender-flared, rollcage-enhanced, suspension-upgraded, entry-level roadracing asskicker :devil:--done a few steps at a time rather than the whole banana FR500C built to the specs of a particular roadracing series...the GT500KR is for those who want it complete, the Boss is for those who want to stretch the investment out while they try the modifications they feel will give the Mustang the persona they want their vehicle to have while retaining those features they appreciate (like upholstery, perhaps...).? Bliss either way...
I disagree. There's only supposed to be 1000 Boss' made just like the GT500KR. They'll probably both be worth stupid money down the road.
I'm seeing rumours on some other sites that are supposedly from "trustworthy sources" that say the horsepower number is going to be closer to 600 hp then the 540 hp that has been "estimated" so far. I wouldn't be surprised condsidering the GT500 was only supposed to have 475 hp when they first announced it.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 09, 2007, 12:18:24 PM
I disagree.? There's only supposed to be 1000 Boss' made just like the GT500KR.? They'll probably both be worth stupid money down the road.
It's fine to disagree, but consider that the Boss will not be a Shelby, so tampering with it will lose less value than tampering with a GT500KR. It's that "authentic" adjective that cranks up the bidding dollars--even beyond the "rarity" issue--and you and I understand why that is. The bid-soaring features are: Authenticity, condition, desirability, rarity, age, and performance. You may know others. Without studying collectibles, I came up with these as probably the top six, but whether they are truly the top six bid-enhancers in descending order the Nethead here just does not know...
Quote from: Nethead on April 10, 2007, 10:18:57 AM
It's fine to disagree, but consider that the Boss will not be a Shelby, so tampering with it will lose less value than tampering with a GT500KR.? It's that "authentic" adjective that cranks up the bidding dollars--even beyond the "rarity" issue--and you and I understand why that is.? The bid-soaring features are:? Authenticity, condition, desirability, rarity, age, and performance.? You may know others.? Without studying collectibles, I came up with these as probably the top six, but whether they are truly the top six bid-enhancers in descending order the Nethead here just does not know...
In the end I don't really care, because I don't buy cars for their resale value, I buy what I like to drive...because I'm going to drive the hell out of it. If I had the money I might buy two and store one. But storing cars is not in my nature. A car like that would be in my posession till the day I die and then my kids will get it. I would restore it as required, but I would never stop driving it. A GT500KR or a BOSS in my posession would be driven daily and driven hard. Just like if I had a '68 Mustang.
Quote from: LonghornTX on April 06, 2007, 03:07:12 PM
Seriously.? If you don't like a thread's subject, or do not care to participate, then don't open it.? Seems pretty simple to me? :confused:.
+1
Quote from: 850CSi on April 10, 2007, 10:59:25 AM
+1
I don't agree. If you have an opinion, you should feel free to voice it.
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I don't agree.? If you have an opinion, you should feel free to voice it.
If they don't like the topic, then don't take part...especially if the only reason they are taking part is to say that we should quit talking about said topic.? If you don't want to talk politics, don't click on the political threads.? If you don't want to talk Mustangs, don't click on the Mustang threads.? I don't like Luxury cars, therefore I rarely if ever take part in threads regarding luxury cars. It's simple.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 10, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
If they don't like the topic, then don't take part...especially if the only reason they are taking part is to say that we should quit talking about said topic. If you don't want to talk politics, don't click on the political threads. If you don't want to talk Mustangs, don't click on the Mustang threads. I don't like Luxury cars, therefore I rarely if ever take part in threads regarding luxury cars. It's simple.
So you want a lovefest in every thread?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg413024#msg413024 date=1176227034
So you want a lovefest in every thread?
If they don't like the car itself that's fine, but to come in and say that we should stop talking about it is wrong. If that's a lovefest, then yes, that's what I want.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 10, 2007, 11:48:55 AM
If they don't like the car itself that's fine, but to come in and say that we should stop talking about it is wrong. If that's a lovefest, then yes, that's what I want.
Oh, then yeah, I agree with that. I didn't see the initial incident, just Farris's quote.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg413031#msg413031 date=1176227433
Oh, then yeah, I agree with that.? I didn't see the initial incident, just Farris's quote.?
Raza: Actually, the individual who initiated a thread should be given the capacity to
edit that thread. The initiating individual should only be able to
modify his or her own postings, but he or she should be able to
delete anyone's postings. And to block usernames from the thread who insist that their bullshit must be heard.
After all, RazDude, you would certainly delete my counter-rebadged-import postings in a GTO thread, would you not? Even though
every word in those postings is true, you'd
still delete them...
I'm sure every adult in a forum gets tired of "You just wait until (car manufacturer's name) brings out the new (car model's name) in (usually erroneous year of introduction--if ever...)--it'll kick the ass off of (real vehicle or real vehicles about which the current thread is about)!"
Puerile shit like this--what a
non-existent vehicle will do to a vehicle or vehicles that
DO exist and
ARE for sale today--is such a waste of the www, not to mention the time of everyone who has to scan through those imbecilic brand rants to find an informative and enlightening reply by someone who actually has an IQ and has actually read the upstream postings in the thread...
Quote from: Nethead on April 10, 2007, 12:28:38 PM
Raza: Actually, the individual who initiated a thread should be given the capacity to edit that thread. The initiating individual should only be able to modify his or her own postings, but he or she should be able to delete anyone's postings. And to block usernames from the thread who insist that their bullshit must be heard.
After all, RazDude, you would certainly delete my counter-rebadged-import postings in a GTO thread, would you not? Even though every word in those postings is true, you'd still delete them...
I'm sure every adult in a forum gets tired of "You just wait until (car manufacturer's name) brings out the new (car model's name) in (usually erroneous year of introduction--if ever...)--it'll kick the ass off of (real vehicle or real vehicles about which the current thread is about)!"
Puerile shit like this--what a non-existent vehicle will do to a vehicle or vehicles that DO exist and ARE for sale today--is such a waste of the www, not to mention the time of everyone who has to scan through those imbecilic brand rants to find an informative and enlightening reply by someone who actually has an IQ and has actually read the upstream postings in the thread...
What are you talking about?
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg413110#msg413110 date=1176229825
What are you talking about?
:huh:
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg413123#msg413123 date=1176231179
I also don't believe in censorship.
Raza: The removal of stupidity is hardly censorship. It's a public
duty.
We all have the right to discuss our ideas with whom we choose. However, some intrude upon this right and claim their intrusion is constitutionally guaranteed. If they're correct, then we actually don't have the right to discuss our ideas with whom we choose, do we? I value my right to discuss ideas with whom I choose more than I value the right of some asshole to interrupt with some stupid proclamation or puerile brand rant. That's not censorship, it is the right to free speech with one or more individuals with whom I choose to speak about topics of mutual interest. Or is the right to privacy and free speech in question here?
I believe it was just this issue of intrusive trolling and brand ranting that prompted numerous members of this forum to abandon the old
Car & Driver forum. I am not in favor of an assholes-uber-alles trollocracy...
Since you have proposed that anyone has a right to open, read, and post comments to any thread, then I counter that anyone has the right to edit the postings in a thread they themselves have opened. Ifcar and others supposedly monitor these threads--but it would be simpler and more democratic to simply transfer the editing (and blocking if necessary) to the individual that opened the thread. Participants could only edit and block in a thread which they have opened--but not edit and block in any thread opened by others.
'Sounds fair to me. What problem do you have with that?
The right to say something and the right to censor are pretty much conflicting. You can also ignore their posts.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg413212#msg413212 date=1176235825
You can also ignore their posts.
:ohyeah:
Or tell them how friggin stupid they are :evildude:
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 10, 2007, 02:38:15 PM
:ohyeah:
Or tell them how friggin stupid they are :evildude:
That's also fun, so that's an advantage.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg412990#msg412990 date=1176225938
I don't agree.? If you have an opinion, you should feel free to voice it.
I'm not saying people shouldn't feel free to voice their opinion. If you want to point out that you think the GT500 weighs too much or whatnot, that's great - everyone wants a good debate. That's different than going into a thread with the intent to starting shit. It's a bigger problem in General Talk when someone starts something along the lines of "The _____ Thread" and someone else comes in and goes "I hate ______, I think it's shit".
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg413212#msg413212 date=1176235825
The right to say something and the right to censor are pretty much conflicting.? You can also ignore their posts.
Sure you can ignore them, as we all do, but why should you have to wade through stupidity up to the knees in order to find informative (and often opposing) postings by someone who has read the preceding postings and is adding worthwhile points or counterpoints?
Allow the person who opened the posting to delete the trash, and to block the trasher if necessary.? Counter posting "You have more daddies than Anna Nicole Smith's daughter" wastes even more of the www, and more of everyone else's time as well.? Have the monitors (Ifcar and others) ever deleted a posting?? Why should they have to if everyone is granted the capability to police the threads they initiated?
Troublesome posts are for the moderators to handle.
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg414197#msg414197 date=1176310343
Troublesome posts are for the moderators to handle.?
Why burden the moderators with it?
The point is kinda moot, anyway, because of the emergence of www subscription forums, where you or your employer pay a monthly fee ($$$) based on the number of users within the employer's account. No one ever posts trash there, but then getting thrown off costs your employer a fine to continue the subscription. I think it's a three month suspension for any employer who has a third user thrown off the forum--the employer may even have to pay the monthly fee for those three months before their users are allowed to resume access in any future month (this may actually be what is meant by a "fine"--or then again maybe there is a punitive charge on top of having to pay the monthly fees for months in suspension). Which version of the "fines" are correct the Nethead here just does not know. The rate for an individual is BIG, or an employer with just one user (the boss, no doubt...). And there are multiple passwords to access different topics--like, one for the automotive topics, a different one for the aeronautical topics, a different one for the electronics topics, yada yada yada. The more topics you want to access, the more $$$ somebody has to pay. Engineers are always posting diagrams of prototypes and concepts to get the inputs of other engineers. And there's no anonymity, since the full ID info of each forum member is just a coupla clicks away. Networking for jobs and recruiting are fairly common practices there, and there's even a thread for job seekers and a thread for positions available.
The Nethead here enjoys the color diagrams of cylinder head flow characteristics the most, and some even have animated videos to show entire combustion cycles of cylinder head cutaways, and how the cycle was affected by port, valve, and combustion chamber modifications. Good stuff, and no "everyone knows that type of intake port sucks bigtime" commentary or "well an LS7 would flow better than that if you just add such-and-such aftermarket manifold". If you claim it, ya gotta submit flow vid to prove it. 'Not a lot of boasting goes on, because everyone knows everyone else will demand that they put up or shut up. Bookies probably love the subscription forums!
Quote from: Nethead on April 11, 2007, 11:33:09 AM
Why burden the moderators with it??
Because that's what moderators are for. You can't have people deleting posts willy nilly.
I for one do not believe in discretionary censorship much, really only in the case of a moderator.? IMO, allowing the creator of a thread to delete posts at will is akin to censorship and therefore does not sit well with me.? That is also why I think that moderators are needed, because that ability is needed in certain instances and it is good to have an objective third party judgement on the matter.
With regards to the original cause of this discussion off-shoot, I am not disagreeing with the right to express one's opinion.? In fact, I am very much in favor of people expressing their opinion (positive and negative).? That is how we learn and build meaningful debate.? However, someone entering a thread just to tell everyone that they shouldn't be discussing the topic of the thread is rather silly to me, and I guess in some ways, an attempt at censorship.
But, in the end, can't we all just get along? :lol: :partyon:? So how bout that GT500KR?
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 11, 2007, 12:47:14 PM
Because that's what moderators are for.? You can't have people deleting posts willy nilly.
HEMI666: Please read more carefully, HemiDude--I stated that you cannot delete or modify any posting in any thread that you did not initiate. You can only modify your own postings--just as you can in carspin.net--and you can only delete postings
in a thread that you initiated.
"...deleting posts willy nilly" means that I could go into a thread that you initiated and delete all of, say, GoCoug's postings and half of omicron's postings. Nope. Not at all.
Consider the number of postings you yourself have made in response to some troll whose prosaic idiocy drew an utterly crucifying response from you. Crucifying trolls is satisfying, of course, but hardly furthers anyone's automotive knowledge or understanding, huh?
Quote from: LonghornTX on April 11, 2007, 01:25:54 PM
I for one do not believe in discretionary censorship much, really only in the case of a moderator.? IMO, allowing the creator of a thread to delete posts at will is akin to censorship and therefore does not sit well with me.? That is also why I think that moderators are needed, because that ability is needed in certain instances and it is good to have an objective third party judgement on the matter.
With regards to the original cause of this discussion off-shoot, I am not disagreeing with the right to express one's opinion.? In fact, I am very much in favor of people expressing their opinion (positive and negative).? That is how we learn and build meaningful debate.? However, someone entering a thread just to tell everyone that they shouldn't be discussing the topic of the thread is rather silly to me, and I guess in some ways, an attempt at censorship.
But, in the end, can't we all just get along? :lol: :partyon:?
Hey, if mindless streams of bullshit appeal to you here, you'll love the Car & Driver forum: www.caranddriver.com.
The fact that this forum has moderators is sufficient proof that yes we can't.
Quote from: Nethead on April 11, 2007, 01:26:15 PM
HEMI666:? Please read more carefully, HemiDude--I stated that you cannot delete or modify any posting in any thread that you did not initiate.? You can only modify your own postings--just as you can in carspin.net--and you can only delete postings in a thread that you initiated.?
I realize that, but you can't have someone deleting all the posts he doesn't like in a thread he started. That's wrong.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 11, 2007, 01:44:39 PM
I realize that, but you can't have someone deleting all the posts he doesn't like in a thread he started.? That's wrong.
Wrong my ass...After all, what are the reasons that
you recommended carspin.net over caranddriver.com?
Quote from: Nethead on April 11, 2007, 01:53:49 PM
Wrong my ass...After all, what are the reasons that you recommended carspin.net over caranddriver.com?
Respect.
But if you give people the ability to delete posts because they are insulting, I guarantee those won't be the only posts people delete.
Quote from: HEMI666 on April 11, 2007, 02:06:10 PM
Respect.
But if you give people the ability to delete posts because they are insulting, I guarantee those won't be the only posts people delete.
Quite possibly true, but remember those doing the deleting can only delete postings in a thread that they themselves initiated...
Quote from: Nethead on April 11, 2007, 02:08:56 PM
Quite possibly true, but remember those doing the deleting can only delete postings in a thread that they themselves initiated...
I understand that. But if people don't like opinions that are being expressed (insulting or not) in their thread, then they can delete it for the simple reason they don't agree.
Quote from: Nethead on April 11, 2007, 01:26:15 PM
HEMI666: Please read more carefully, HemiDude--I stated that you cannot delete or modify any posting in any thread that you did not initiate. You can only modify your own postings--just as you can in carspin.net--and you can only delete postings in a thread that you initiated.
"...deleting posts willy nilly" means that I could go into a thread that you initiated and delete all of, say, GoCoug's postings and half of omicron's postings. Nope. Not at all.
Consider the number of postings you yourself have made in response to some troll whose prosaic idiocy drew an utterly crucifying response from you. Crucifying trolls is satisfying, of course, but hardly furthers anyone's automotive knowledge or understanding, huh?
The world couldn't begin to comprehend the horrors of such an event ever taking place. :cry:
Having said that, I do talk a lot of shit.
:lol:
So, I hope you guys understand that I really do like the Mustang... it's just that I hate it at the same time. :mask:
Quote from: omicron on April 11, 2007, 11:18:55 PM
The world couldn't begin to comprehend the horrors of such an event ever taking place. :cry:
Having said that, I do talk a lot of shit.
:lol:
omicron: OmiDude, the Nethead here has never seen a posting of yours that I would delete. They're well thought out, informative, contain substantiation where it's available, bring up a lot of points no one else has mentioned, and I personally feel I've gained insight from your no-nonsense postings. You prepare your replies before your fingertips dance the keyboard, which is appreciated greatly!
Quote from: Nethead on April 12, 2007, 08:52:48 AM
omicron: OmiDude, the Nethead here has never seen a posting of yours that I would delete. They're well thought out, informative, contain substantiation where it's available, bring up a lot of points no one else has mentioned, and I personally feel I've gained insight from your no-nonsense postings. You prepare your replies before your fingertips dance the keyboard, which is appreciated greatly!
Correction! I'm usually drunk, which aids clarity. :lol:
Thanks, though. I'll buy you a drink next time you're in town :ohyeah:
Quote from: NACar on April 11, 2007, 11:26:48 PM
So, I hope you guys understand that I really do like the Mustang... it's just that I hate it at the same time. :mask:
NACar: NahDude, the Nethead here is still working on that one...a complex concept for sure.
But to give you the consideration you deserve, I'm gonna take a little time and re-read your postings and see if I can figure out what it is that you "really do like" about Mustangs since you have presented abundant statements about what you don't like about Mustangs. I will try to be judicially fair, and slap me around if I'm not.
More later, in either an "Addendum" to this posting or in a separate posting further downstream in this thread...
Quote from: NACar on April 11, 2007, 11:26:48 PM
So, I hope you guys understand that I really do like the Mustang... it's just that I hate it at the same time. :mask:
Yeah sorry. I can't figure that one out. :huh:
NACar: I've read what seems like 200 of your other postings, but it was probably only 90-100.
And I think I have figured out your like/hate statement about the Mustang.
Basically, you like the Mustang--as you said. But what you hate is that it has a galloping Mustang in the grille and not a bowtie. If the Mustang had that bowtie, you'd love it! Perhaps worship it.
Your Honor, the Prosecution rests its case...
Quote from: Nethead on April 12, 2007, 10:22:55 AM
NACar:? I've read what seems like 200 of your other postings, but it was probably only 90-100.
And I think I have figured out your like/hate statement about the Mustang.
Basically, you like the Mustang--as you said.? But what you hate is that it has a galloping Mustang in the grille and not a bowtie.? If the Mustang had that bowtie, you'd love it!? Perhaps worship it.
Your Honor, the Prosecution rests its case...
Your Honor, ladies and gentleman of the jury, Mr. Nethead, and all the towns people here today, The Defense calls itself to the stand:
[Wait a minute, I should be the Prosecution, right? You are the offenders!] I am not loyal to any one brand of car. I do no like bowties more than blue ovals. I do not like domestic brands over import brands.
What I do not like is digging up something out of the past, and brining it back purley for the profit of it. What i do not like is the
lack of new ideas. What I do not like is comprimising what could have been a
great new car, and ending up with only a
very good one, purely for the aesthetics.
And if you want some rock-solid, non-disputable evidence (but just a small example of it's crimes) I present to you
Exibit A:
The unneccesarily large and non-functioning hood-scoop. WTF is that.(http://www.muscularmustangs.com/images5/2007shelbygtmustang.jpg)
The Mustang is just one case of this, and it just irks me that much more because it has become such a success. Bottom line: What
I really want to see a
new Mustang, not an old one. But I'd still buy one, because it is very good.
Quote from: NACar on April 12, 2007, 12:40:18 PM
Your Honor, ladies and gentleman of the jury, Mr. Nethead, and all the towns people here today, The Defense calls itself to the stand:
[Wait a minute, I should be the Prosecution, right? You are the offenders!]
I am not loyal to any one brand of car. I do no like bowties more than blue ovals. I do not like domestic brands over import brands. What I do not like is digging up something out of the past, and brining it back purley for the profit of it. What i do not like is the lack of new ideas. What I do not like is comprimising what could have been a great new car, and ending up with only a very good one, purely for the aesthetics.
And if you want some rock-solid, non-disputable evidence (but just a small example of it's crimes) I present to you Exibit A:
The unneccesarily large and non-functioning hood-scoop. WTF is that.
(http://www.muscularmustangs.com/images5/2007shelbygtmustang.jpg)
The Mustang is just one case of this, and it just irks me that much more because it has become such a success. Bottom line: What I really want to see a new Mustang, not an old one. But I'd still buy one, because it is very good.
Your Honor, the Prosecution presents this evidence, typed by the very hands of the defendant himself, as "Exhibit A":
"Oh and BTW, when the new Camaro finally comes out, it will kick the Mustangs's ass, just like it always has."And the defendant merely compounds his guilt with these further statements:
"What I do not like is digging up something out of the past, and brining it back purley for the profit of it. What i do not like is the lack of new ideas"So you see, Your Honor, the defendant presents ample evidence of his Mustang envy:
1.? The defendant alleges that he does not like digging up something out of the past, and yet he heaps hollow-sounding praise on Chevrolet for digging up the extinct Camaro
YET AGAIN purely for the profit of it (they have no new ideas themselves so they are resorting to the marketing feature so dear to the engineering departments at GM:?
Profit Through Imitation) in an effort to scramble for the scraps dropped from the Mustang's table.
2.? And in the same sentence the defendant alleges that what he does not like is the lack of new ideas.? Your Honor, as we all know, the Camaro is
the poster child for the lack of new ideas--a cheap imitation of the original and genuine idea that we have known as The Mustang for forty-three continuous, uninterrupted years of production--both preceding the Camaro by three model years and outlasting the Camaro by five model years
and counting... 3.? And lamest of all, Your Honor, the defendant alleges that a non-existent production car "will kick the Mustang's ass" although there is not a single example of a new production Camaro in any dealershop anywhere on the entire surface of the Earth!? Unless they are stockpiled in the same bunker as the Weapons of Mass Destruction...
Pardon me, Your Honor, it has come to my attention that the Prosecution may have misled the Court:? There are indeed fresh new camaros--the French term for the English noun "shrimp" is "camaro".? Indeed, Your Honor, there are plenty of fresh French shrimp--and Chevrolet allegedly will be offering French shrimp soon, with a discount for those who have mullets.? Fitting bowties onto shrimp will be a challenge, but GM managed to fit "Pontiac GTO" badges onto Holden Monaros so the technical expertise is definitiely there...
The Prosecution requests a lenient sentence for the defendant, Your Honor, because driving an Extreme daily has surely caused the defendant to suffer enough to satisfy even the cruelest and most sadistic executioner...
From the abundantly useful Wikipedia:
Though the car's name was contrived with no meaning, GM researchers reportedly found the word in a French dictionary as a slang term for "friend" or "companion." In some automotive periodicals before official release, it was code-named "Panther," however, the project designation for the Camaro was XP-836 and some early GM photos show the final Camaro body labeled "Chaparral".[2] Automotive press asked Chevrolet product managers "What is a Camaro?", and were told it was "a small, vicious animal that eats Mustangs".[3] The name conveniently fit Chevrolet's "C" naming structure that included Corvair, Chevelle, Chevy II, and Corvette.
Camar?n Spanish for "shrimp".
Quote from: Nethead on April 12, 2007, 02:18:03 PM
The Prosecution requests a lenient sentence for the defendant, Your Honor, because driving an Extreme daily has surely caused the defendant to suffer enough to satisfy even the cruelest and most sadistic executioner...
I just thought that was great. I don't know if you did that puposely or not, but it's great. Extreme Esteem!!! :praise:
Quote from: NACar on April 12, 2007, 06:24:49 PM
I just thought that was great. I don't know if you did that puposely or not, but it's great.? Extreme Esteem!!! :praise:
NACar: The Nethead here
always does things on purpose--how do you think I've avoided buying an '05 S197 Mustang coupe even with over $27,000 in a separate bank account just for automotive whimsy???? It's been stressful, but the Nethead here has resisted...
Now, does the defendant have any final words for The Court?? The judge is about to sentence you to twenty years hard driving in the Extreme Esteem (actually, I was thinkin' Esteem Extreme--the fastest and most powerful variant--but since it
IS yours and since Pope Nethead the Great here is nothing if not beneficent, I will grant you your wish to entitle your transonic terror the "Extreme Esteem".? God's will be done.? [Genuflects.]?
Amen.
Methinks an excommunication is imminent.
Quote from: omicron on April 13, 2007, 09:32:17 AM
Methinks an excommunication is imminent.
omicron: Omi, My Lad, 'tis the Easter Season--and We should be both thankful for Our manifold blessings and merciful to those less ageful and girthful than We ourselves.? [Genuflects.]?
Amen.
Besides, We can excommunicate his ass next month...
Quote from: Raza ?link=topic=8368.msg415832#msg415832 date=1176411963
From the abundantly useful Wikipedia:
Though the car's name was contrived with no meaning, GM researchers reportedly found the word in a French dictionary as a slang term for "friend" or "companion." In some automotive periodicals before official release, it was code-named "Panther," however, the project designation for the Camaro was XP-836 and some early GM photos show the final Camaro body labeled "Chaparral".[2] Automotive press asked Chevrolet product managers "What is a Camaro?", and were told it was "a small, vicious animal that eats Mustangs".[3] The name conveniently fit Chevrolet's "C" naming structure that included Corvair, Chevelle, Chevy II, and Corvette.
Camar?n Spanish for "shrimp".
And the English term for the Spanish "camaron" is "mullet".