Poll
Suburban? Land Rover?
ya it could... if it was going downhill with the wind drafting a semi with the engine turned off.
According to my CarGuide Buyer's Guide 2003, it got 17/23 respectively.
What idiot would buy the gasser anyway?
You wouldn't get the gasser, right?
That's just wrong. I live in an area where Cummins, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes are almost as common as their gas counterparts. They smoke more than a chimney.
In fact, I was in a new Cummins yesterday. Someone was tailgating us so the dude who was driving romped on it to send 'em a big cloud of oily fumes to the face.
I was thinking the same thing. There's no way, even with the diesel.
there are plenty of diesels where i live and the newer ones dont give out smoke unless something is wrong with them.
I thought I made it clear that we were in a new Dodge. It's an 06.
Trust me heelntoe, you're not cool in Wyoming unless you have the latest and greatest, biggest, most obnoxious full-size diesel pick-up on the market. They all smoke.
Diesel fuel is cheaper here (I think). I mentioned this in another thread: a coworker of mine is pressuring our boss to replace another coworker's truck with a Cummins instead of the 2500. He can get a deal on a brand new one for 38K. Biggest cab, biggest bed. What a steal!
and about the smoking, i was talking about cars, not trucks.
Why? It's still cheaper than gasoline.
At least in the states diesel stays pretty constant in price while gas is all over the place, so diesel ends up being cheaper half the time and more expensive the rest. Additionally, why do so many people not look at the resale factor of the equation. An owner will get a lot of that five grand back when he or she goes to sell.
Question: Which one do you prefer?
Option 1: Excursion 
votes: 13
votes: 13
Option 2: Expedition EL 
votes: 8
votes: 8
Title: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: ifcar on May 13, 2007, 03:36:03 PM
Post by: ifcar on May 13, 2007, 03:36:03 PM
Which do you prefer?
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: the Teuton on May 13, 2007, 03:37:08 PM
Post by: the Teuton on May 13, 2007, 03:37:08 PM
Give me the one that has a pair. Either a V10 or diesel Excursion if I have to have one of the two.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: heelntoe on May 13, 2007, 03:45:42 PM
Post by: heelntoe on May 13, 2007, 03:45:42 PM
well, if i'm going to get an uber SUV, i might as well get the original.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: giant_mtb on May 13, 2007, 06:02:17 PM
Post by: giant_mtb on May 13, 2007, 06:02:17 PM
If I were to buy either of these vehicles, I obviously have enough money to not even care about gas prices, so I'd want the most badass one I could get...that being a nice diesel Excursion. :rockon:
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Rupert on May 13, 2007, 06:42:55 PM
Post by: Rupert on May 13, 2007, 06:42:55 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on May 13, 2007, 03:45:42 PM
well, if i'm going to get an uber SUV, i might as well get the original.
Suburban? Land Rover?
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: goldenlover1101 on May 13, 2007, 06:52:47 PM
Post by: goldenlover1101 on May 13, 2007, 06:52:47 PM
Neither...but the excursion is more badass
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: GoCougs on May 13, 2007, 06:52:51 PM
Post by: GoCougs on May 13, 2007, 06:52:51 PM
The Excursion was a horrific vehicle compared to a Suburban IMO.
Solid front axle, recirc-ball steering, twisty frame, front leaf springs, and probably some other stuff as well.
The (3/4-ton) Suburban was as good or superior in virtually every single vehicle characteristic save interior room (and not by much).
The new Expedition EL though is on top IMO.
Solid front axle, recirc-ball steering, twisty frame, front leaf springs, and probably some other stuff as well.
The (3/4-ton) Suburban was as good or superior in virtually every single vehicle characteristic save interior room (and not by much).
The new Expedition EL though is on top IMO.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Tave on May 13, 2007, 06:55:15 PM
Post by: Tave on May 13, 2007, 06:55:15 PM
Ew, neither.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: chevyguy06 on May 13, 2007, 08:03:49 PM
Post by: chevyguy06 on May 13, 2007, 08:03:49 PM
I'd take a Suburban over either, but I've gotta go with the Diesel Excursion.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 14, 2007, 08:20:22 AM
Post by: SVT666 on May 14, 2007, 08:20:22 AM
The Expedition EL...because it's the best jumbo Ute on the market right now.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: CMan on May 14, 2007, 01:09:10 PM
Post by: CMan on May 14, 2007, 01:09:10 PM
The Excursion was the single greatest and coolest SUV known to man, ever. It could pull anything you hooked onto the back of it, and it could pull 20+ MPG's too. The Expi EL is a half a$$ half ton that will NEVER stand up to the Excursion.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
Post by: CJ on May 14, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
Excursion.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: J86 on May 14, 2007, 07:32:50 PM
Post by: J86 on May 14, 2007, 07:32:50 PM
Excursion!!!
I want one
I want one
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: 565 on May 15, 2007, 02:48:03 PM
Post by: 565 on May 15, 2007, 02:48:03 PM
Excursion all the way. It was a mobile middle finger to the environmental types.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 02:58:52 PM
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 02:58:52 PM
Quote from: CMan on May 14, 2007, 01:09:10 PMIt never got 20+ mpg.
The Excursion was the single greatest and coolest SUV known to man, ever. It could pull anything you hooked onto the back of it, and it could pull 20+ MPG's too. The Expi EL is a half a$$ half ton that will NEVER stand up to the Excursion.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on May 15, 2007, 03:03:51 PM
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on May 15, 2007, 03:03:51 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 15, 2007, 02:58:52 PM
It never got 20+ mpg.
ya it could... if it was going downhill with the wind drafting a semi with the engine turned off.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: TheIntrepid on May 15, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
Post by: TheIntrepid on May 15, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 15, 2007, 02:58:52 PM
It never got 20+ mpg.
According to my CarGuide Buyer's Guide 2003, it got 17/23 respectively.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 03:26:07 PM
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on May 15, 2007, 03:04:00 PMThat has to be with the diesel (which was a $5K option). I was thinking in gasoline terms.
According to my CarGuide Buyer's Guide 2003, it got 17/23 respectively.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: TBR on May 15, 2007, 03:33:45 PM
Post by: TBR on May 15, 2007, 03:33:45 PM
Even with the diesel that is very optimistic. I know a guy with a Powerstroke equipped F-250 RWD, he gets about 15.
I voted for the EL.
I voted for the EL.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: 93JC on May 15, 2007, 03:35:09 PM
Post by: 93JC on May 15, 2007, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 15, 2007, 03:26:07 PM
That has to be with the diesel (which was a $5K option).? I was thinking in gasoline terms.
What idiot would buy the gasser anyway?
You wouldn't get the gasser, right?
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 03:42:34 PM
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: 93JC on May 15, 2007, 03:35:09 PMI don't like diesels. I love the torque and towing power for sure, but I don't like the noise and the smoke. I wouldn't buy an Excursion anyway so I guess it really doesn't matter.
What idiot would buy the gasser anyway?
You wouldn't get the gasser, right?
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: 93JC on May 15, 2007, 04:03:48 PM
Post by: 93JC on May 15, 2007, 04:03:48 PM
:nono:
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: heelntoe on May 15, 2007, 04:36:29 PM
Post by: heelntoe on May 15, 2007, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 15, 2007, 03:42:34 PMhave you driven a modern diesel. there is almost no smoke and next to no noise.
I don't like diesels. I love the torque and towing power for sure, but I don't like the noise and the smoke. I wouldn't buy an Excursion anyway so I guess it really doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: 93JC on May 15, 2007, 04:53:41 PM
Post by: 93JC on May 15, 2007, 04:53:41 PM
Well, to be fair, the Excursion used the ancient 7.3L Powerstroke for a good deal of its life, so it really was quite noisy. :lol:
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 05:19:48 PM
Post by: SVT666 on May 15, 2007, 05:19:48 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on May 15, 2007, 04:36:29 PMThe noise issue is being solved...definitely.? However the smoke thing is fine when they just roll off the lot, but I still see plenty of new diesels that spew black smoke when the driver puts his foot in it. Unless you are planning and towing all the time, I don't know how anyone can justify the extra expense to get the diesel.
have you driven a modern diesel. there is almost no smoke and next to no noise.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: heelntoe on May 15, 2007, 05:24:48 PM
Post by: heelntoe on May 15, 2007, 05:24:48 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 15, 2007, 05:19:48 PMwell, based on the price diff between diesel and petrol and the extra cost of the diesel version of the vehicle, it is said the you much drve 40kms daily to break even. that's the indian scenario.
The noise issue is being solved...definitely. However the smoke thing is fine when they just roll off the lot, but I still see plenty of new diesels that spew black smoke when the driver puts his foot in it. Unless you are planning and towing all the time, I don't know how anyone can justify the extra expense to get the diesel.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: CMan on May 15, 2007, 05:34:50 PM
Post by: CMan on May 15, 2007, 05:34:50 PM
7.3 PS FTW!!! :rockon:
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Tave on May 15, 2007, 05:50:04 PM
Post by: Tave on May 15, 2007, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on May 15, 2007, 04:36:29 PM
have you driven a modern diesel. there is almost no smoke and next to no noise.
That's just wrong. I live in an area where Cummins, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes are almost as common as their gas counterparts. They smoke more than a chimney.
In fact, I was in a new Cummins yesterday. Someone was tailgating us so the dude who was driving romped on it to send 'em a big cloud of oily fumes to the face.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Tave on May 15, 2007, 05:53:32 PM
Post by: Tave on May 15, 2007, 05:53:32 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 15, 2007, 02:58:52 PM
It never got 20+ mpg.
I was thinking the same thing. There's no way, even with the diesel.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: heelntoe on May 16, 2007, 06:06:35 AM
Post by: heelntoe on May 16, 2007, 06:06:35 AM
Quote from: Tave on May 15, 2007, 05:50:04 PMkeyword being modern. :lol:
That's just wrong. I live in an area where Cummins, Powerstrokes, and Duramaxes are almost as common as their gas counterparts. They smoke more than a chimney.
In fact, I was in a new Cummins yesterday. Someone was tailgating us so the dude who was driving romped on it to send 'em a big cloud of oily fumes to the face.
there are plenty of diesels where i live and the newer ones dont give out smoke unless something is wrong with them.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 16, 2007, 07:18:13 AM
Post by: SVT666 on May 16, 2007, 07:18:13 AM
Quote from: heelntoe on May 16, 2007, 06:06:35 AMNot true. If the driver puts his foot in it, the truck will most definitely smoke.
keyword being modern. :lol:
there are plenty of diesels where i live and the newer ones dont give out smoke unless something is wrong with them.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 16, 2007, 07:19:27 AM
Post by: SVT666 on May 16, 2007, 07:19:27 AM
Quote from: heelntoe on May 15, 2007, 05:24:48 PMI read that you would have to keep the truck for 10 years to break even, especially with diesel being more expensive at the pump and the diesel engine option being a $5K option.
well, based on the price diff between diesel and petrol and the extra cost of the diesel version of the vehicle, it is said the you much drve 40kms daily to break even. that's the indian scenario.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Tave on May 16, 2007, 09:40:01 AM
Post by: Tave on May 16, 2007, 09:40:01 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 16, 2007, 07:18:13 AM
Not true.? If the driver puts his foot in it, the truck will most definitely smoke.
I thought I made it clear that we were in a new Dodge. It's an 06.
Trust me heelntoe, you're not cool in Wyoming unless you have the latest and greatest, biggest, most obnoxious full-size diesel pick-up on the market. They all smoke.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: SVT666 on May 16, 2007, 09:59:15 AM
Post by: SVT666 on May 16, 2007, 09:59:15 AM
Quote from: Tave on May 16, 2007, 09:40:01 AMThey most certainly do. :ohyeah:
I thought I made it clear that we were in a new Dodge. It's an 06.
Trust me heelntoe, you're not cool in Wyoming unless you have the latest and greatest, biggest, most obnoxious full-size diesel pick-up on the market. They all smoke.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Tave on May 16, 2007, 10:21:41 AM
Post by: Tave on May 16, 2007, 10:21:41 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 16, 2007, 07:19:27 AM
I read that you would have to keep the truck for 10 years to break even, especially with diesel being more expensive at the pump and the diesel engine option being a $5K option.
Diesel fuel is cheaper here (I think). I mentioned this in another thread: a coworker of mine is pressuring our boss to replace another coworker's truck with a Cummins instead of the 2500. He can get a deal on a brand new one for 38K. Biggest cab, biggest bed. What a steal!
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Tave on May 17, 2007, 01:27:51 PM
Post by: Tave on May 17, 2007, 01:27:51 PM
Yep diesel is 2.8999. 85 starts at 2.9999. Interestingly, super-unleaded is the same price as regular. Premium goes for 3.1799.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: heelntoe on May 17, 2007, 01:31:50 PM
Post by: heelntoe on May 17, 2007, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Tave on May 17, 2007, 01:27:51 PMif that were the case here, no one would buy diesel. our diesel costs about 3/5 as much as regular petrol.
Yep diesel is 2.8999. 85 starts at 2.9999. Interestingly, super-unleaded is the same price as regular. Premium goes for 3.1799.
and about the smoking, i was talking about cars, not trucks.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: Tave on May 17, 2007, 02:08:30 PM
Post by: Tave on May 17, 2007, 02:08:30 PM
Quote from: heelntoe on May 17, 2007, 01:31:50 PM
if that were the case here, no one would buy diesel.
Why? It's still cheaper than gasoline.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: heelntoe on May 19, 2007, 12:04:20 AM
Post by: heelntoe on May 19, 2007, 12:04:20 AM
Quote from: Tave on May 17, 2007, 02:08:30 PMbut still not enough to pay extra for the diesel version.
Why? It's still cheaper than gasoline.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: TBR on May 20, 2007, 08:22:40 AM
Post by: TBR on May 20, 2007, 08:22:40 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 16, 2007, 07:19:27 AM
I read that you would have to keep the truck for 10 years to break even, especially with diesel being more expensive at the pump and the diesel engine option being a $5K option.
At least in the states diesel stays pretty constant in price while gas is all over the place, so diesel ends up being cheaper half the time and more expensive the rest. Additionally, why do so many people not look at the resale factor of the equation. An owner will get a lot of that five grand back when he or she goes to sell.
Title: Re: Excursion vs. Expedition EL
Post by: nickdrinkwater on May 20, 2007, 08:49:53 AM
Post by: nickdrinkwater on May 20, 2007, 08:49:53 AM
Excursion diesel :praise: That car is a tank.
It must be only truck diesels that make smoke, since I never see smoke coming out of diesels here.
It must be only truck diesels that make smoke, since I never see smoke coming out of diesels here.