http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/13038/first-drive-2007-ford-harley-davidson-f-150-supercharged-interior-and-performance-page2.html
Hmmm maybe this is a hint at the next Lightning.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-F-150_Harley_Davidson_2007_photo_09.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-F-150_Harley_Davidson_2007_photo_08.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-F-150_Harley_Davidson_2007_photo_01.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-F-150_Harley_Davidson_2007_photo_03.jpg)
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-F-150_Harley_Davidson_2007_photo_07.jpg)
So it's not going to be an appearance-only package like some of the other ones? That's good news.
I really like the looks of the King Ranch and Harley packages. They add a classy touch to the trucks.
Quote from: Tave on May 30, 2007, 05:06:23 PM
So it's not going to be an appearance-only package like some of the other ones? That's good news.
The 1/2 ton Harleys have never been appearance only packages.
Quote from: 565 on May 30, 2007, 04:58:56 PM
Hmmm maybe this is a hint at the next Lightning.
Nope, I think it's the Harley version. :evildude:
Ford already stated the Lightning is dead.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 30, 2007, 09:04:02 PM
Nope, I think it's the Harley version. :evildude:
Ford already stated the Lightning is dead.
Damn dead? So much for the sport trucks. Ram SRT-10 dead. Lightning dead. Chevy SS truck dead. Maybe the age of monsterous sport trucks is over?
Quote from: 565 on May 30, 2007, 10:26:39 PM
Damn dead? So much for the sport trucks. Ram SRT-10 dead. Lightning dead. Chevy SS truck dead. Maybe the age of monsterous sport trucks is over?
You can always get a 381 hp Tundra.
Trucks like this are retarded.
Except for the SRT-10, because it has enough ridiculous to make up for being a truck.
Quote from: Secret Chimp on May 30, 2007, 11:14:58 PM
Trucks like this are retarded.
Except for the SRT-10, because it has enough ridiculous to make up for being a truck.
And a 6 speed manual. :praise:
Quote from: the Teuton on May 30, 2007, 10:45:15 PM
You can always get a 381 hp Tundra.
Or a 400 HP Sierra Denali. :devil:
Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 31, 2007, 07:26:44 AM
Or a 400 HP Sierra Denali.? :devil:
Or a 160 hp Ranger..........
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 30, 2007, 09:03:21 PM
The 1/2 ton Harleys have never been appearance only packages.
I could've sworn there's been a generation that used unmodified engines.
In fact I still think I'm right. I've been researching the topic a little this morning and can't find any mention of a power upgrade for the 2000 or 2001 models.
Quote from: SJ_GTI on May 31, 2007, 07:26:44 AM
Or a 400 HP Sierra Denali. :devil:
403hp Escalade > *
Quote from: Tave on May 31, 2007, 08:36:57 AM
In fact I still think I'm right. I've been researching the topic a little this morning and can't find any mention of a power upgrade for the 2000 or 2001 models.
You're right, there was no power upgrade, but they had overhauled suspensions that dramatically improved handling and dramatically decreased hauling and towing capabilities.
Quote from: TheIntrepid on May 31, 2007, 09:13:03 AM
403hp Escalade > *
meh, basically the same thing as the Sierra Denali, but the denali is a "truck" rather than an SUV. I Guess you could substitute the Escalade EXT, but then you are just trading bed space and utility for a little bit of extra cabin space. Same drive train either way though, and personally I think the Sierra is nicer looking.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 30, 2007, 09:03:21 PM
The 1/2 ton Harleys have never been appearance only packages.
What now? For the first years of both generations of Harley F-150s there was no power upgrade (or a very small one) and I am almost certain there was no suspension upgrade for at least the most recent models.
Quote from: TBR on May 31, 2007, 10:14:19 AM
What now? For the first years of both generations of Harley F-150s there was no power upgrade (or a very small one) and I am almost certain there was no suspension upgrade for at least the most recent models.
Even the first of the F-150 Harley Davidson Editions had suspension upgrades that improved handling and diminished hauling and towing abilities.
Yes, I saw that. But what about the second generation models?
Quote from: TBR on May 31, 2007, 10:27:38 AM
Yes, I saw that. But what about the second generation models?
1999 - 20" wheel/low profile tire combo
2000 - 20" wheel/low profile tire combo
2001 - Modified suspension and 20" wheel/low profile tire combo
2002 - 340 hp suparcharged 5.4L, modified suspension, 20" wheel/low profile tire combo
2003 - 340 hp supercharged 5.4L, modified suspension, 20" wheel/low profile tire combo
2004 - Only available on F-250 and F-350 (appearance and comfort package)
2005 - Only available on F-250 and F-350 (appearance and comfort package)
2006 - AWD and modified suspension and 22" wheel/low profile tire combo
2007 - AWD and modified suspension and 22" wheel/low profile tire combo
2008 - 450 hp supercharged 5.4L, modified suspension, 22" wheel/low profile tire combo
I consider a pair of dubs to be an appearance accessory, not a performance enhancing modification.
Quote from: Tave on May 31, 2007, 11:00:10 AM
I consider a pair of dubs to be an appearance accessory, not a performance enhancing modification.
Taller wheel/low profile Pirelli tires don't enhance handling? News to me.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 31, 2007, 11:13:59 AM
Taller wheel/low profile Pirelli tires don't enhance handling?? News to me.
The tires would; the wheels wouldn't.
Edit: and you don't need 20 inch wheels to benefit from Pirelli tires. The Zero Rossis that fit on 18's will do the same job
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 31, 2007, 11:13:59 AM
Taller wheel/low profile Pirelli tires don't enhance handling?? News to me.
Don't be a Kayani now! :nono:
Quote from: Tave on May 31, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
The tires would; the wheels wouldn't.
Edit: and you don't need 20 inch wheels to benefit from Pirelli tires. The Zero Rossis that fit on 18's will do the same job
But would look really tiny on a truck that big.
True, which is why I think of the early models as a cosmetic package. It's nice of them to throw in a set of good rubber, but for the most part they left the performance of the car alone. Those were all I was familiar with; I didn't realize the collaboration was alive till I read this thread. The last I remember hearing about the Harley F-150 was in 2000/2001.
Where have I been?
Oh that's right, drooling over the SRT Ram :tounge:
Hmmm, supercharged F-150...I'd tap that. :devil:
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 31, 2007, 11:13:59 AM
Taller wheel/low profile Pirelli tires don't enhance handling?? News to me.
Nope, they don't.
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 31, 2007, 05:09:44 PM
Nope, they don't.
But they do such a great job of increasing NVH that you at least
feel like it must handle better. :lol:
Quote from: 565 on May 30, 2007, 10:26:39 PM
Damn dead? So much for the sport trucks. Ram SRT-10 dead. Lightning dead. Chevy SS truck dead. Maybe the age of monsterous sport trucks is over?
The age of monstrous sport trucks was never even born. The "age" of them was filled with stillborns. We got all excited 'cause we thought we had a good one, but then it just ends up dying before it really "comes out".
Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 31, 2007, 05:09:44 PM
Nope, they don't.
Actually they do. not as much as suspension modifications, but they do aid in cornering for a pickup.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 31, 2007, 06:45:53 PM
Actually they do.? not as much as suspension modifications, but they do aid in cornering for a pickup.
OK, I'll bite.
How?
Monster trucks seem to corner pretty well, and they have the hugest sidewalls and smallest wheels ever.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 31, 2007, 06:45:53 PM
Actually they do.? not as much as suspension modifications, but they do aid in cornering for a pickup.
They aid the perception of cornering, because steering is sharper. But they break away in a much more sudden way than taller tires, which is not what I would call a good thing.
Quote from: R-inge on May 31, 2007, 09:24:48 PM
They aid the perception of cornering, because steering is sharper.? But they break away in a much more sudden way than taller tires, which is not what I would call a good thing.
The same could be said for sports cars then. Steering is sharper and more direct and cornering isn't as floaty. I would call that a good thing. It hampers the truck in the rest of the duties a truck should be able to do though.
Quote from: HEMI666 on May 31, 2007, 09:36:24 PM
The same could be said for sports cars then.? Steering is sharper and more direct and cornering isn't as floaty.? ?I would call that a good thing.? It hampers the truck in the rest of the duties a truck should be able to do though.
There's a difference between subjective feel and objective performance.
Quote from: R-inge on June 01, 2007, 11:41:23 AM
There's a difference between subjective feel and objective performance.
Whatever. :rolleyes: If it was a sports car with 75% sidewalls people would be bitching about how bad the cornering is and steering sucks, etc.
:huh:
Oh well... ;)
Quote from: NACar on May 31, 2007, 06:52:39 PM
Monster trucks seem to corner pretty well, and they have the hugest sidewalls and smallest wheels ever.
I'm not sure if you're making a joke or trying to make a point. The tires are like 6 feet wide, they sit outside the body of the truck and they have four wheel steering. And they also tip over all the time. :lol:
The tread and tire composition is more important, but hemi's right: a shorter sidewall does generally mean a stiffer sidewall which translates to better road feel and handling. It's just a fact r-inge.
Take a car with 215/60R17 tires and switch them with the exact same brand of tire with the same tread style, etc., but drop it to a say a 215/50R17 and you'll notice the difference, especially on turn-in.
(http://photo.netcarshow.com/Ford-F-150_Harley_Davidson_2007_photo_01.jpg)
cue clarkson.
"POWWWEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
:lol:
If the last Lightning was anything to go by, that engine would only be a few hundred bucks and a weekend afternoon to get a 50-75 hp bump. Pulleeeeey!
I wouldn't buy a sports truck that was really trying to compete with sports cars, but I can appreciate a "muscle truck" like this. It looks stellar, sits 4-5 people in comfort and can pass an 18-wheeler at highway speeds in about 4 seconds. What's not to like if you're looking for a high-end truck? :devil:
Quote from: FordSVT on June 13, 2007, 08:01:21 PM
If the last Lightning was anything to go by, that engine would only be a few hundred bucks and a weekend afternoon to get a 50-75 hp bump. Pulleeeeey!
I wouldn't buy a sports truck that was really trying to compete with sports cars, but I can appreciate a "muscle truck" like this. It looks stellar, sits 4-5 people in comfort and can pass an 18-wheeler at highway speeds in about 4 seconds. What's not to like if you're looking for a high-end truck?? :devil:
I agree with that. Muscle trucks are quite different from sport trucks. Muscle trucks I get, sport trucks I don't.
I would buy this just because I can. I'd floor it on every intersection, stop sign and roundabout, do burnouts for schoolchildren before running over them, and use my exhaust rumblings to flip over Beryl's '92 Cavalier.
who's beryl? :lol: