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Title: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: GoCougs on July 05, 2007, 10:29:34 AM
US light truck sales data for June.

F-Series: 65,156
Down 0.5% vs. June '06
Down 11% year to date

Silverado: 44,955
Down 24% vs. June '06
Down 2% year to date

Ram: 31,114
Down 4% vs. June '06
Up 1% year to date

Tundra: 21,727
Up 137% vs. June '06
Up 42% year to date

Sierra: 15,187
Down 29% vs. June '06
Down 2% year to date

Titan: 4,405
Down 22% vs. June '06
Down 16% year to date
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: 93JC on July 05, 2007, 10:45:02 AM
GO TEAM!!!11!
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: CMan on July 05, 2007, 12:12:52 PM
Anybody have YTD truck sales figures?
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TBR on July 05, 2007, 12:18:31 PM
http://www.pickuptruck.com/html/otf0999.html
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: CMan on July 05, 2007, 01:51:30 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on July 05, 2007, 04:55:36 PM
Wow, that's a huge jump!

I guess toyota really does make a competitive truck! :devil: ;)
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Submariner on July 05, 2007, 06:25:43 PM
Well, I guess it wouldn't be too unfair to lump the GMC with the Chevy, seeing as they are basicly identical.

And look how close the tundra comes to out selling those two!
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SaltyDog on July 05, 2007, 07:10:54 PM
effective marketing
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: saxonyron on July 05, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
Ugh!? I was woefully unimpressed by the new Tundra when I saw it at the GTG at the NY Auto Show.? Maybe the stats are OK, but the overall look and build of the truck left me flat.? I own 6 trucks in my business - 2 F150's and 4 E150's.? They are work horses and can take the punishment of the job and my guys.? I seriously doubt the Tundra door hardware would last 6 months in real world use.? The cheesy exterior trim pieces and pathetic hardware maybe don't help tow 9,000 pounds, but they sure make or break and ownership experience.? I really expected better from Toyota.? Maybe they'll really deliver it next go around - imagine what their sales numbers will be then??  :mask:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: 93JC on July 05, 2007, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: saxonyron on July 05, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
Ugh!  I was woefully unimpressed by the new Tundra when I saw it at the GTG at the NY Auto Show.  Maybe the stats are OK, but the overall look and build of the truck left me flat.

Agreed. It just came across as a complete piece of shit.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on July 06, 2007, 05:48:38 AM
From the A-pillar forward and the interior, I'm not the least bit impressed with the Tundra.  From the A-pillar back I like it.  I honestly don't understand why they are selling so well.  Oh well, there's no accounting for taste I guess.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on July 06, 2007, 06:04:51 AM
It's very similar to the Ram. Aggressive styling and available big engines, identical body configurations, but not as much refinement and not the same interior quality as the competition. I personally don't care for either, but I suppose some 50k+ buyers per month like the idea of it.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: saxonyron on July 06, 2007, 06:19:28 AM
Quote from: ifcar on July 06, 2007, 06:04:51 AM
It's very similar to the Ram. Aggressive styling and available big engines, identical body configurations, but not as much refinement and not the same interior quality as the competition. I personally don't care for either, but I suppose some 50k+ buyers per month like the idea of it.

More like 21,727 buyers.  Let's not rush things!  :lol:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on July 06, 2007, 06:39:24 AM
Quote from: saxonyron on July 06, 2007, 06:19:28 AM
More like 21,727 buyers.  Let's not rush things!  :lol:

30k+ Rams, 20k+ Tundras. I mean that type of truck.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: CMan on July 06, 2007, 07:12:52 AM
.........

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/bkwallen/1997FordF150.jpg)

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT32V on July 06, 2007, 01:02:15 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 05, 2007, 10:29:34 AM
US light truck sales data for June.


Tundra: 21,727
Up 137% vs. June '06
Up 42% year to date


Amazing what big rebates and 0% financing can do for Tundra sales
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: etypeJohn on July 06, 2007, 01:42:14 PM
Quote from: R-inge on July 05, 2007, 04:55:36 PM
Wow, that's a huge jump!

I guess toyota really does know how to market make a competitive truck! :devil: ;)

There I fixed it for you.   :praise:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: giant_mtb on July 06, 2007, 01:55:13 PM
Toyota Tundra
82,840 +42.3% YTD



Ford F-Series
355,438 -11.2% YTD




I like how the F-series can lose 11.2% in sales and the Tundra can gain 42.3% but still the F-series outsells it more than 4 to 1.

Settle down, Yota fanboys.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: CMan on July 06, 2007, 02:20:58 PM
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79/bkwallen/1997FordF150.jpg)

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: GoCougs on July 06, 2007, 02:29:57 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 06, 2007, 01:55:13 PM
Toyota Tundra
82,840 +42.3% YTD

Ford F-Series
355,438 -11.2% YTD

I like how the F-series can lose 11.2% in sales and the Tundra can gain 42.3% but still the F-series outsells it more than 4 to 1.

Settle down, Yota fanboys.

"But they still sell a lot more" mentality perhaps is comforting to some but in reality it is dangerous; this notion however doesn't really carry any weight were it counts; Detroit's behind-the-scenes finance and marketing people are well aware of the problem presented by lost marketshare in a shrinking market, to be sure - especially so if said organization(s) is(are) teetering on insolvency, or capital group dissolution.

Further, looking solely at the 1/2-ton market, the gap is smaller; at its current pace the Tundra will outsell Sierra 1/2-tons, and quite possibly the Ram 1/2-tons, for 2007...
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 06, 2007, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 06, 2007, 01:55:13 PM
Toyota Tundra
82,840 +42.3% YTD



Ford F-Series
355,438 -11.2% YTD




I like how the F-series can lose 11.2% in sales and the Tundra can gain 42.3% but still the F-series outsells it more than 4 to 1.

Settle down, Yota fanboys.

Years of ignoring increasing sales by imports in the car market is the number one reason why the big three are behind the eight ball today.

But I guess learning from your past mistakes isn't quite as easy as deluding yourself that more is better, is it?
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on July 06, 2007, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: etypeJohn on July 06, 2007, 01:42:14 PM
There I fixed it for you.? ?:praise:

Uhoh, lookout for the Toyota Troll, he'll castrate you for that. :lol:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on July 06, 2007, 07:25:51 PM
Quote from: Soup DeVille on July 06, 2007, 03:44:41 PM
Years of ignoring increasing sales by imports in the car market is the number one reason why the big three are behind the eight ball today.

But I guess learning from your past mistakes isn't quite as easy as deluding yourself that more is better, is it?

Plus, the new stuff that is either out or going to be out shortly, such as the F150, is so much nicer that I think the Toyota's sales are going to flatten out here shortly.  Not being a nasayer, just being realistic. 
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 06, 2007, 11:13:43 PM
I'd take a Sierra over a Tundra any day of the week.

(http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/2006_chicago/0603_chicago_029+2007_toyota_tundra+front_interior_view.jpg)
(http://media.popularmechanics.com/images/Silverado-interior.jpg)
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TheIntrepid on July 06, 2007, 11:14:53 PM
Quote from: R-inge on July 06, 2007, 07:23:48 PM
Uhoh, lookout for the Toyota Troll, he'll castrate you for that. :lol:

You rang? :lol:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: giant_mtb on July 06, 2007, 11:19:27 PM
One thing I kinda like about that Toyota's interior is the way the driver's side of the dash/interior is different from the passenger side.  I've seen other trucks like that (usually larger, big-rig like trucks), but it's a neat feature.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on July 07, 2007, 12:27:40 AM
Quote from: TheIntrepid on July 06, 2007, 11:14:53 PM
You rang? :lol:

No, Pubes.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on July 07, 2007, 06:23:51 AM
Quote from: giant_mtb on July 06, 2007, 11:19:27 PM
One thing I kinda like about that Toyota's interior is the way the driver's side of the dash/interior is different from the passenger side. I've seen other trucks like that (usually larger, big-rig like trucks), but it's a neat feature.

The "work" interior of the Silverado/Sierra is also asymmetrical, but higher quality.

(http://familycar.com/RoadTests/GMCSierra/Images/Dash.jpg)
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SJ_GTI on July 07, 2007, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: ifcar on July 07, 2007, 06:23:51 AM
The "work" interior of the Silverado/Sierra is also asymmetrical, but higher quality.

(http://familycar.com/RoadTests/GMCSierra/Images/Dash.jpg)

Huh, call me crazy but I like that interior better than the Chevy one above, which I am sure is meant to be the "nicer" version.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: CMan on July 07, 2007, 09:01:13 AM
I think pretty much everybody likes the "work" version better.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: JWC on July 07, 2007, 09:48:50 AM
The Tundra was introduced in what month of 2006? 

Tundra: 21,727
Up 137% vs. June '06
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Tave on July 07, 2007, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: saxonyron on July 05, 2007, 09:26:06 PM
Ugh!? I was woefully unimpressed by the new Tundra when I saw it at the GTG at the NY Auto Show.? Maybe the stats are OK, but the overall look and build of the truck left me flat.? I own 6 trucks in my business - 2 F150's and 4 E150's.? They are work horses and can take the punishment of the job and my guys.? I seriously doubt the Tundra door hardware would last 6 months in real world use.? The cheesy exterior trim pieces and pathetic hardware maybe don't help tow 9,000 pounds, but they sure make or break and ownership experience.? I really expected better from Toyota.? Maybe they'll really deliver it next go around - imagine what their sales numbers will be then??? :mask:

Oh please. The only reason we haven't bought any for work is expense and space. I bet they hold up to an equal amount of beating as GM/Ford/Dodge (who, by the way, have all had issues with various interior trim bits falling off in our trucks).
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: USA_Idol on July 08, 2007, 02:48:06 AM
(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Chevrolet/2007.chevrolet.silverado1500.20104036-E.jpg)
Bland, boxy.? Not particularly appealing.


(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2007/Ford/100769659/2007.ford.f150.20094895-E.jpg)
Attractive even in the base XL form, this is my "best design" winner for the full-size truck class.? ?:lol:


(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/EI/2007/Dodge/2007.dodge.ram%20pickup%201500.20123827-E.jpg)
Even worse than the Chevy, I might even go so far as to call the cabin ugly.


(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2008/Nissan/2008.nissan.titan.20118598-E.jpg)
I am not a huge fan of Nissan's interior design language (trucks, SUV's, minivans), and the Titan is no exception.


(http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/EI/2007/Toyota/2007.toyota.tundra.20113899-E.jpg)
Nice driver area definition.? It is not as generic as the Chevy, but not quite as elegantly stylish as the Ford.


My 2-cents on the Big Guys.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: CJ on July 08, 2007, 06:23:55 PM
I think the Chevy and Nissan interiors look the best.  The Ram and the Tundra look the worst.  The Ford is...okay.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: sandertheshark on July 08, 2007, 06:31:29 PM
All I see in these numbers is that the old Tundra was a very sorry excuse for a truck, the GMT 800 kicked ass and that GM was offering employee discounts to all last June.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TBR on July 08, 2007, 10:49:44 PM
I disagree about the Tundra being a sorry excuse for a truck. It was a sorry excuse for a full size truck, but for people who wanted a truck a bit smaller it was a good choice. I would agree that in the beginning the engines were weak, but towards the end the V6 and small V8 had plenty of power.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TheIntrepid on July 08, 2007, 11:06:35 PM
Quote from: CJ on July 08, 2007, 06:23:55 PM
I think the Chevy and Nissan interiors look the best.  The Ram and the Tundra look the worst.  The Ford is...okay.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Onslaught on July 09, 2007, 05:36:16 AM
Quote from: TBR on July 08, 2007, 10:49:44 PM
I disagree about the Tundra being a sorry excuse for a truck. It was a sorry excuse for a full size truck, but for people who wanted a truck a bit smaller it was a good choice. I would agree that in the beginning the engines were weak, but towards the end the V6 and small V8 had plenty of power.
+1
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on July 09, 2007, 06:43:49 AM
Quote from: TBR on July 08, 2007, 10:49:44 PM
I disagree about the Tundra being a sorry excuse for a truck. It was a sorry excuse for a full size truck, but for people who wanted a truck a bit smaller it was a good choice. I would agree that in the beginning the engines were weak, but towards the end the V6 and small V8 had plenty of power.

I'd even go further than that, because the crew cab was actually bigger than many of its competitors. It failed the numbers test, yes, but not by so much that it came close to being underpowered or unusable for most towing applications.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SagRacer on July 09, 2007, 11:38:12 AM
I really liked the old Tundra too - A perfect sized truck IMO - Better than this new Tundra's "I'm trying really hard to be tough" styling.  However, with average incentives of over $5,000, the new Tundra is starting to look attractive.  Maybe they will roll back the incentives now that it is finally selling?  $5,000 is crazy for a vehicle that was just introduced a few months ago.  Toyota can afford it though, so why not?

I might be in the market for a new pickup in a few months.  If Toyota continues this fire-sale the Tundra could be on the top of my list.  However, If the Tundra is the same price as the Silverado, I would have to give the nod to the Chevy due to a nicer interior, ride, handling, general comfort, and styling(IMO).  The Tundra specs look great on paper, but they just don't translate into an enjoyable driving experience. 


Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: the_koof on July 16, 2007, 06:15:52 PM
With huge incentives on a brand new truck there is no wonder that the Tundra sells. Its a crappy truck with questionable engineering (I am not buying the "TripleTech" frame thing among other things) and from driving it I was woefully unimpressed. Sure it had power (5.7) but the ride sucked, didn't feel that solid and I hated the interior. Drove decently.

After driving all of the new half tons (driven the new Chevy/Dodge 3/4s and Ford 1 tons too but thats for a different discussion), I'd rank them as follows:

1. Chevrolet - Very VERY impressed.  Like everything about it. I'd buy the GMC though as it looks better. Only thing that would make it better is a 6-speed.
2. Nissan - Its a very good truck. Drive one sometime. May be a bit biased as my dad has one and I drive it often ('05, 56k miles)
3. Ford - Very solid offering. Just needs more power and two more gears. They don't sell like mad for no reason.
4. Dodge - Pretty good. Hemi power is quite good.

24. Mitsubishi Mighty Max
25. Volkswagen Rabbit pickup
26. Toyota Tundra
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TBR on July 16, 2007, 10:41:16 PM
The F-150 is getting a small facelift for '08, maybe it is getting the 6AT then (which really helped the Expeditions performance and fuel economy), does anyone know?
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: the_koof on July 17, 2007, 12:00:55 AM
It going to be more than a face lift. New much more powerful engines including a diesel (WOOT!!!), 6-speed autos finally among other upgrades. Should be mighty impressive. The 6-speed auto will go into the GMT-900s too at last.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on July 17, 2007, 03:50:29 AM
Quote from: TBR on July 16, 2007, 10:41:16 PM
The F-150 is getting a small facelift for '08, maybe it is getting the 6AT then (which really helped the Expeditions performance and fuel economy), does anyone know?

It's being redesigned for 2009, but AFAIK the 2008 is unchanged.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on July 17, 2007, 06:45:46 AM
Quote from: the_koof on July 16, 2007, 06:15:52 PM
24. Mitsubishi Mighty Max
25. Volkswagen Rabbit pickup
26. Toyota Tundra
:lol:

I like this guy already.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Raza on July 17, 2007, 01:50:16 PM
Quote from: 93JC on July 05, 2007, 09:47:23 PM
I have a potty mouth!

:nono:

Sales prove that the Toyota Tundra is the best truck ever made to be used by human beings who use trucks in a manner that is much like that as a standardized four door automobile that is often used in a manner befitting those who would make, own, and love the Toyota Tundra.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Tave on July 17, 2007, 02:21:25 PM
Quote from: USA_Idol on July 08, 2007, 02:48:06 AM
Even worse than the Chevy, I might even go so far as to call the cabin ugly.

Maybe so, but its the only interior you posted I'd consider functional for an actual work truck. Maybe, just m-a-y-b-e the Chevy as well.


As far as I can tell, the Dodge's interior hasn't changed much over previous models. Perhaps it's not truely ugly, just dated.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TBR on July 17, 2007, 02:23:17 PM
Quote from: ifcar on July 17, 2007, 03:50:29 AM
It's being redesigned for 2009, but AFAIK the 2008 is unchanged.

I could've sworn I saw something on autoblog, but now the only thing I can find about the '08 F-150 is about the new Lariat Limited trim.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on July 17, 2007, 02:33:21 PM
Quote from: Tave on July 17, 2007, 02:21:25 PM
Maybe so, but its the only interior you posted I'd consider functional for an actual work truck. Maybe, just m-a-y-b-e the Chevy as well.


As far as I can tell, the Dodge's interior hasn't changed much over previous models. Perhaps it's not truely ugly, just dated.
The center stack was redesigned in the new Dodge and I prefer the previous one compared to this one.

(http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/02images/03ram2-3500int.jpg)
2002  (The 2005 has the same steering wheel as the 2007.  It has the best and most intuitive cruise control and stereo controls I've ever used)

(http://dodge.off-road.com/dodge/data/articlestandard/dodge/502006/393022/DG007_008RM.jpg)
2007
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on July 17, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
Quote from: Tave on July 17, 2007, 02:21:25 PM
Maybe so, but its the only interior you posted I'd consider functional for an actual work truck. Maybe, just m-a-y-b-e the Chevy as well.


As far as I can tell, the Dodge's interior hasn't changed much over previous models. Perhaps it's not truely ugly, just dated.
If you ever used a Dodge as a work truck you would change your opinion.  In Car & Driver's latest comparo and in the Canadian Tough Truck Challenge, the Ram was given the top marks for interior useability, functionality, and flexibility when work and tools are concerned.  There's a reason they are so popular with construction sites and farms.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: GoCougs on July 17, 2007, 02:53:59 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 17, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
If you ever used a Dodge as a work truck you would change your opinion.? In Car & Driver's latest comparo and in the Canadian Tough Truck Challenge, the Ram was given the top marks for interior useability, functionality, and flexibility when work and tools are concerned.? There's a reason they are so popular with construction sites and farms.

I think you're getting a bit carried away if you are actually stating that farmers and construction workers prefer the Ram because of its interior.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 17, 2007, 02:56:58 PM
The Ram interiors are actually the worst I've ever been in. As for the rest of the truck, I have no opinion.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on July 17, 2007, 02:57:40 PM
Quote from: GoCougs on July 17, 2007, 02:53:59 PM
I think you're getting a bit carried away if you are actually stating that farmers and construction workers prefer the Ram because of its interior.
I think you're insane if you say it has no bearing.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Tave on July 17, 2007, 03:04:50 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 17, 2007, 02:47:06 PM
If you ever used a Dodge as a work truck you would change your opinion.? In Car & Driver's latest comparo and in the Canadian Tough Truck Challenge, the Ram was given the top marks for interior useability, functionality, and flexibility when work and tools are concerned.? There's a reason they are so popular with construction sites and farms.

Jesus man, you need to re-read what I wrote. I said Dodge has the only interior I'd consider suitable for a work truck. We have 3 in the garage, and another probably on its way.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: CMan on July 17, 2007, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: NACar on July 17, 2007, 02:56:58 PM
The Ram interiors are actually the worst I've ever been in.

+1.

And that picture Hemi posted, the first one; my god, that looks horrible.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on July 17, 2007, 03:16:01 PM
 :mask:

I thought you were referring to the Chevy that was mentioned in the quote in your post.  Sorry man.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Tave on July 17, 2007, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: HEMI666 on July 17, 2007, 03:16:01 PM
:mask:

I thought you were referring to the Chevy that was mentioned in the quote in your post.? Sorry man.

No. If I had to pick any of those interiors to put into a work truck, the Ram would top my list, and the Chevy would be a distant second.

That's what I was trying to say; I know it came out a little funny.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on July 17, 2007, 03:22:01 PM
Quote from: Tave on July 17, 2007, 03:17:48 PM
No. If I had to pick any of those interiors to put into a work truck, the Ram would top my list, and the Chevy would be a distant second.

That's what I was trying to say; I know it came out a little funny.
The new interior is actually kinda ugly, but it's the most functional for a work truck.  The interior in my 2005 truck is actually nice and easy on the eyes, and just as functional as the new kinda ugly one.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on July 17, 2007, 03:22:58 PM
this is a work truck interior

(http://www.chrishodgephotos.co.uk/funpics/pixww/fun01/DT921%20Interior.jpg)

:devil:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: 93JC on July 17, 2007, 03:52:20 PM
:praise:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Tave on July 17, 2007, 04:03:42 PM
Quote from: NACar on July 17, 2007, 03:22:58 PM
this is a work truck interior

:devil:

No, that's a tetanus shot waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: 93JC on July 17, 2007, 04:07:28 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha! :lol:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: the_koof on July 17, 2007, 07:40:55 PM
Quote from: TBR on July 17, 2007, 02:23:17 PM
I could've sworn I saw something on autoblog, but now the only thing I can find about the '08 F-150 is about the new Lariat Limited trim.

I stand corrected. I think they said it was going to be released in '08 as an '09.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: GoCougs on August 02, 2007, 01:43:48 PM
July '07: Tundra sells 23,150 units, up 118% vs. July '06, and up 10% from June '07.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ro51092 on August 02, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Quote from: Raza  on July 17, 2007, 01:50:16 PM
:nono:

Sales prove that the Toyota Tundra is the best truck ever made to be used by human beings who use trucks in a manner that is much like that as a standardized four door automobile that is often used in a manner befitting those who would make, own, and love the Toyota Tundra.

Is this reported by the Sweisskagg Institute of Automotive Excellence? Sister of the The Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too?
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on August 03, 2007, 12:27:08 PM
Quote from: ro51092 on August 02, 2007, 01:49:22 PM
Is this reported by the Sweisskagg Institute of Automotive Excellence? Sister of the The Derek Zoolander Center For Kids Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too?

:lol:

Anyway, the only thing that matters is the trend over the next two years, because the old truck was so woefully underselling that they will naturally have a huge swing in sales.  What happens in July of 2008 is more significant.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: VetteZ06 on September 04, 2007, 03:23:52 PM
August '07: Tundra sells 18,919 units, up 69.3% from August of 2006.

Sierra sells 23,574 units, up 34.2% from August of 2006.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on September 04, 2007, 06:16:21 PM
Quote from: VetteZ06 on September 04, 2007, 03:23:52 PM
August '07: Tundra sells 18,919 units, up 69.3% from August of 2006.

Sierra sells 23,574 units, up 34.2% from August of 2006.

Wow, relatively close.  What are the Silverado's numbers?  I assume it sells many more units than the Sierra.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Atomic on September 04, 2007, 07:02:23 PM
Quote from: Submariner on July 05, 2007, 06:25:43 PM
Well, I guess it wouldn't be too unfair to lump the GMC with the Chevy, seeing as they are basicly identical.

And look how close the tundra comes to out selling those two!

there was talk at general motors of eliminating gmc's large pick-up; and at one point, gmc altogether. goes gm really need two competing trucks (plus cadillac)? you are so right. there's very little difference, as you point out!
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: VetteZ06 on September 04, 2007, 07:11:25 PM
Quote from: R-inge on September 04, 2007, 06:16:21 PM
Wow, relatively close.? What are the Silverado's numbers?? I assume it sells many more units than the Sierra.

The Silverado sold 67,486 units last month, so it roughy tripled the Sierra's sales.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on September 04, 2007, 09:57:05 PM
Quote from: Atomic on September 04, 2007, 07:02:23 PM
there was talk at general motors of eliminating gmc's large pick-up; and at one point, gmc altogether. goes gm really need two competing trucks (plus cadillac)? you are so right. there's very little difference, as you point out!

I don't necessarily see the need for a 1/2ton GMC pickup, but it would make sense to keep the workhorse trucks around.  Of course, that would suck for me...
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TBR on September 04, 2007, 10:23:51 PM
I see a need for a 1/2 ton GMC: the Silverado's styling.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: sandertheshark on September 04, 2007, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: TBR on September 04, 2007, 10:23:51 PM
I see a need for a 1/2 ton GMC: the Silverado's styling.
yeah.  I think the Sierra is the best-looking truck out there.  I'd hate to see it go.

It should be obvious even to Atomic that 19,000 less GMCs sold won't necessarily mean 19,000 more Chevrolets.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: The Pirate on September 04, 2007, 10:53:06 PM
I'm sure they are nice packages, but I still can't warm up to the styling of the new GM trucks. 


I'll take a GMT800 Sierra 2500 any day, though.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SJ_GTI on September 05, 2007, 09:07:52 AM
I have an uncle that owns a construction company, another uncle that owns an excavating company, and two uncles with landscaping companies. 3 out of the four use GMC trucks in one form or another. GMC is very good at selling to the commercial market from what I can tell.

There is a GMC dealer a couple of miles from my parents house that specializes in HD GMC trucks, but also sells the half-ton. I'd imagine the bigger construction companies (all of my families business are small, between 4-10 employees each) would prefer to buy their HD trucks and half-tons in the same place.

Now granted, Chevy sells to the same market...but for whatever reason some people prefer GMC's. If GM left that market its they are going to lose a singificant portion of their business to Ford and/or Dodge. GMC is "easy money" for GM I bet.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: Atomic on September 06, 2007, 05:59:22 PM
Quote from: CJ on July 08, 2007, 06:23:55 PM
I think the Chevy and Nissan interiors look the best.? The Ram and the Tundra look the worst.? The Ford is...okay.

i think i like the nissan best. the gmc interior is finally different then that in the chevrolet. i prefer the gmc, but like the tundra over the chevy. the 2008 ford f-series is an enormous improvement over past fmc trucks. dodge's interior is nice, but dated. one would expect that for a vehicle about to be replaced with a new model.

again, it's about personal choice.

the f-series wouldn't be as nice without the stiff competition.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: TBR on September 06, 2007, 09:13:28 PM
Quote from: Atomic on September 06, 2007, 05:59:22 PM
the gmc interior is finally different then that in the chevrolet.

No it isn't, other than the wood trim in the Denali model.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: S204STi on September 10, 2007, 09:43:05 PM
Quote from: TBR on September 04, 2007, 10:23:51 PM
I see a need for a 1/2 ton GMC: the Silverado's styling.

Very true.  The Silverado doesn't do it for me either.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on September 11, 2007, 11:04:37 AM
Quote from: The Pirate on September 04, 2007, 10:53:06 PM
I'm sure they are nice packages, but I still can't warm up to the styling of the new GM trucks. 
The styling looks awkward.  I thought that I might warm to the Chevy the more I see it, but I'm not.  With the massive blocky fender flares and the biggest bumper this side of a Peterbilt, the trucks just don't look good.  The Sierra is much better, but I still don't like it as much as the Dodge or the Ford.  I know this will shock some of you, but I'm really starting to like the Tundra's exterior.  The interior still looks like shit, but I'm really warming to the exterior.  If I had to rank the full-size pickups by styling it would be in this order:

1. Dodge Ram
2. Ford Super-Duty
3. Toyota Tundra
4. Ford F-150
5. GMC Sierra
6. Nissan Titan
7. Chevy Silverado
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:15:09 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 11, 2007, 11:04:37 AM
The styling looks awkward.  I thought that I might warm to the Chevy the more I see it, but I'm not.  With the massive blocky fender flares and the biggest bumper this side of a Peterbilt, the trucks just don't look good.  The Sierra is much better, but I still don't like it as much as the Dodge or the Ford.  I know this will shock some of you, but I'm really starting to like the Tundra's exterior.  The interior still looks like shit, but I'm really warming to the exterior.  If I had to rank the full-size pickups by styling it would be in this order:

1. Dodge Ram
2. Ford Super-Duty
3. Toyota Tundra
4. Ford F-150
5. GMC Sierra
6. Nissan Titan
7. Chevy Silverado


Your top two would have been up near the top of my list as well, except that both were recently uglified. I'd order them as such (exterior styling only):

1. F-150
2. Sierra
3. Silverado
4. Ram
5. Titan
6. Tundra
7. F-250/350
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on September 11, 2007, 11:16:54 AM
Quote from: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:15:09 AM
Your top two would have been up near the top of my list as well, except that both were recently uglified. I'd order them as such (exterior styling only):

1. F-150
2. Sierra
3. Silverado
4. Ram
5. Titan
6. Tundra
7. F-250/350
I can't believe you would put the Silverado that high up.  Oh well, there's no accounting for taste I guess.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 11, 2007, 11:16:54 AM
I can't believe you would put the Silverado that high up.  Oh well, there's no accounting for taste I guess.

It's not that I think the Silverado is attractive, just that the others are even less attractive. IMO the Silverado only looks really awkward in pictures.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on September 11, 2007, 11:21:30 AM
Quote from: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:20:44 AM
It's not that I think the Silverado is attractive, just that the others are even less attractive. IMO the Silverado only looks really awkward in pictures.
I see them in person all the time and I just can't bring myself to like them.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:25:51 AM
Likewise, I think the 08 F-SuperDuty is atrocious, particularly in its base versions.

(http://images.autotrader.com/images/2007/8/21/228/159/2713378869.228159295.IM1.MAIN.565x421_A.562x421.jpg)
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on September 11, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
Quote from: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:25:51 AM
Likewise, I think the 08 F-SuperDuty is atrocious, particularly in its base versions.
Who buys the base version?  Even the landscaping contractors around here are driving XLT models.

(http://www.babez.de/ford/f-250-super-duty/ford-f-250-super-duty-titel.jpg)
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:42:42 AM
Quote from: HEMI666 on September 11, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
Who buys the base version?  Even the landscaping contractors around here are driving XLT models.

(http://www.babez.de/ford/f-250-super-duty/ford-f-250-super-duty-titel.jpg)

Which is still ugly.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on September 11, 2007, 11:54:36 AM
Quote from: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:42:42 AM
Which is still ugly.
Respectfully...you're nuts. :lol:
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 12:00:40 PM
Those headlights don't work on the Jeep Commander, and they don't work here. They're the biggest thing wrong with both designs.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on September 11, 2007, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 12:00:40 PM
Those headlights don't work on the Jeep Commander, and they don't work here. They're the biggest thing wrong with both designs.
I didn't like them when I first saw them in pictures but once I saw it in person I thought it worked.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: thewizard16 on September 11, 2007, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: ifcar on September 11, 2007, 11:42:42 AM
Which is still ugly.
I agree, sorry Hemi :lol:. I absolutely hate these trucks. One of my friends thinks they're great looking, which he loudly announced at the auto show, and everyone present looked at him as if he'd just contracted plague.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: USA_Idol on September 12, 2007, 02:22:26 PM
The SuperDuty looks fine in person.  In fact, it's very cool.  Pictures don't really do it justice.

But I will say that the base/work version models, with all that black plastic trim up front, are somewhat unattractive.


Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: SVT666 on September 12, 2007, 02:44:58 PM
Quote from: USA_Idol on September 12, 2007, 02:22:26 PM
The SuperDuty looks fine in person.  In fact, it's very cool.  Pictures don't really do it justice.

But I will say that the base/work version models, with all that black plastic trim up front, are somewhat unattractive.
I agree.  But nobody buys the base model for it's looks.  They buy it because it's the toughest truck on the market and they usually buy fleets of them so that their employees can beat the shit out of them.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: thewizard16 on September 12, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
Quote from: USA_Idol on September 12, 2007, 02:22:26 PM
The SuperDuty looks fine in person.  In fact, it's very cool.  Pictures don't really do it justice.

But I will say that the base/work version models, with all that black plastic trim up front, are somewhat unattractive.



My judgements weren't off pictures. I think the truck is perfectly fine except for the front. The base versions do look especially appalling though.
Title: Re: Tundra Sales up 137% vs. June '06, outsells GMC Sierra
Post by: USA_Idol on September 14, 2007, 11:22:07 PM
For me, the bottom line is:  All full-size trucks are too big, too thirsty and too costly for my budget to accommodate.  Plus, I have no use for one.   If I ever did need a big truck for some reason, I can always borrow my dad's 1992 F-250 Heavy Duty.   Ain't much that 460 V8 can't do....except pass up gas stations.    :lol: