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Title: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 23, 2007, 05:06:39 am
Mods, can I make this a sticky thread?


Folks, this is where I will keep everything up to date on the caddy. I will make a dfferent posting along with how much money I have sunk into the car so far as a runny tally at the bottom.
Against someone elsebetter advise, I will be keeping a running total however, I will be a bit backwards.
I am going to try as hard as I can to make this a $5000.00 project and therefore, I will start with 5 grand (not including the price of the car) and go backwards....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 23, 2007, 05:58:24 am
ALL RIGHT!!!!

OK, until I can re-upload the images to the correct size, you can see them at http://profile.imageshack.us/user/digitalbill
The car show pix do not have the caddy in them BTW.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 23, 2007, 11:52:51 am
OK.. I finally got the car to my house at about 10:00 PM on Sunday night.
I took a few shots of it and I will try to get more....

(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1281/dsci0007he7.jpg)
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5746/dsci0006tz7.jpg)


Check it out, the tag is from 1975, the last time it was on the road.
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8526/dsci0005sd6.jpg)


It looks like the owner was a square dancer?
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8076/dsci0004ii0.jpg)

Just some shots of the worst of the chrome
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9382/dsci0003nx9.jpg)
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/3499/dsci0002dl2.jpg)

And finally, the front plate. I guess he used to show the car before?
(http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/5025/dsci0001hr6.jpg)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: 280Z Turbo on July 23, 2007, 01:27:27 pm
Cool!

Not sure about the 5 grand thing.

After all the paint, chrome, upholstery, engine, wheels, etc. I don't see how you could do it for that much.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: S204STi on July 23, 2007, 02:02:52 pm
Man, that's not horribly bad overall.  It'll look gorgeous when you're done though!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: giant_mtb on July 23, 2007, 03:13:03 pm
 :mrcool: :rockon: :rockon:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: J86 on July 23, 2007, 04:51:11 pm
AWESOME.  My buddy has a '38 powered by a 16 cylinder Rolls Royce motor, that is by far the coolest car I've ever ridden in.  This will be so freakin' cool.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 23, 2007, 06:07:55 pm
Yeah, getting it done for $5000 would be a geack of a feat. Replacing or restoring the trim is gonna eat up a lot of that, and you can't exactly get parts for a 331 down at Autozone.

But more power to you.





(Hey, maybe I should start posting some picks of the '70 and see if I can get stickied too!)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 24, 2007, 05:36:34 am
Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple

Money Left   $4,954.95    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on July 24, 2007, 08:42:27 am
Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple

Money Left   $4,954.95    


Based on what I spent on rechroming the Jaguar, I would guess you could easily spend $2K to $2.5K on having the chrome bits redone.  That goes up if you have to find replacements.

I don't mean to sour your project, in fact I wish I had room and time for another project.  But the rule of thumb I have always heard is, estimate a liberal budget and then double it.  Its the nickel-dime stuff that helps eat up a budget.  I probably spent at least $350 in just screws, nuts, washers and bolts.   

Keep us informed and don't hesitiate to ask for advice.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 24, 2007, 09:19:18 am
Based on what I spent on rechroming the Jaguar, I would guess you could easily spend $2K to $2.5K on having the chrome bits redone.? That goes up if you have to find replacements.

I don't mean to sour your project, in fact I wish I had room and time for another project.? But the rule of thumb I have always heard is, estimate a liberal budget and then double it.? Its the nickel-dime stuff that helps eat up a budget.? I probably spent at least $350 in just screws, nuts, washers and bolts.? ?

Keep us informed and don't hesitiate to ask for advice.

And heck, there's not much chrome at all on an e-type! Those pot metal pieces on old Caddies can add up real quick.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on July 24, 2007, 09:31:05 am
And heck, there's not much chrome at all on an e-type! Those pot metal pieces on old Caddies can add up real quick.

Which is why I would concentrate on the mechanical's first, body sheetmetal second, interior third, and trim, including chrome last.  A lot of nasty looking chrome can be made fairly presentable with a good Chrome polish.  To make the best of pitted grungy chrome I would try The liquid turtle wax cjropme polish that comes in a small can that is shaped like a brake fluid can.  That stuff and elbow grease does wonders.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 24, 2007, 10:08:52 am
Here is my "plan of action"

1: Get some junkyard tires and rims. I need to have tires that hold air by this weekend so it doens't look abandoned in my driveway. The current rims are made for innertubes and I am having a hard time finding them locally. Any old crappy tire/rim combo will work.

2: Get the car running. I have not done ANYTHING to it yet on account of the rain but, I should see life this weekend.

3: Start working panel by panel. Taking off the chrome bits, sanding/priming/filling/and white primer seal each panel. I will leave the holes open for the chrome and in place, I will put a screw/nut combo with a rubber washer in each hole. Hopefully by the time I am ready to paint, I will know if I am gonna replace these trip peices or simply cover the holes up.  The white primer sealer should look good from 50 ft which is all I want for now.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 26, 2007, 09:58:57 am
Well, I have been shopping for new chrome mouldings. There are four "strips" on each side of the car...
I found a place in California but, they want just under $1,000.00 for the set so, while I am still looking, I am most likely gonna just fill in the holes and paint ofer them.  Unless, I find something aftermarket for WAY cheaper....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on July 26, 2007, 11:09:15 am
Well, I have been shopping for new chrome mouldings. There are four "strips" on each side of the car...
I found a place in California but, they want just under $1,000.00 for the set so, while I am still looking, I am most likely gonna just fill in the holes and paint ofer them.? Unless, I find something aftermarket for WAY cheaper....

I'm not surprised.  Trim pieces, when they are available, are generally very expensive because the market is so small. I would encourage you to get a hemmings and start contacting salvage yards and suppliers listed in the Caddilac section.  Another good source of parts and information would be any kind of Cadillac club.  Also Check into AACA (Antique Automobile Club of America).  Join it.  Costs about $25 a year and you get a magazine and a wealth of information.

You may be able to find good used trim parts for considerably less.

You should also know that many reproduction parts fit poorly.  If you can salvage an original part and have it refurbished you are generally better off.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: S204STi on July 26, 2007, 12:57:36 pm
Hey Southdiver, these guys make some vintage looking radial tires, you might be able to find the right size, at least when you are ready to get some good rubber for it.

http://www.cokertire.com/
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 27, 2007, 02:11:25 pm
OK.. I have been researching lead body filling and I feel that, with the assistance of Harold Murphy who is a friend of my fathers and an OLD school lead sled builder (think 1950 Merc with a chop top), I should not only learn this old and rare art but, with enough practice, I should get pretty good at it and who knows, maybe I can even save some of this old chrome moulding and have it re-dipped.
Anyway, I hope to have this thing at least running by sunday evening. I will keep you informed.....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 28, 2007, 08:37:40 pm
OK.. I have been researching lead body filling and I feel that, with the assistance of Harold Murphy who is a friend of my fathers and an OLD school lead sled builder (think 1950 Merc with a chop top), I should not only learn this old and rare art but, with enough practice, I should get pretty good at it and who knows, maybe I can even save some of this old chrome moulding and have it re-dipped.
Anyway, I hope to have this thing at least running by sunday evening. I will keep you informed.....

Leaders are like demi-gods. The only cooler people are the ones whu can hammer out panels by hand.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: JWC on July 28, 2007, 09:12:07 pm
Three years ago and not realizing I was going to restore a couple of VW's, I threw out all my lead stuff.  I also threw out some  aluminum filler kits.  It was an aluminum powder and a catalyst agent.  Great stuff.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: JWC on July 28, 2007, 09:16:50 pm
BTW, this stuff works great on cleaning grimy chrome without damaging it.  I used it to clean the chrome parts of my 3sp Raleigh.

(http://www.shopfosters.com/store/files/images/large/d_465.jpg)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 29, 2007, 05:39:05 pm
Latest update...
Today was the first day I actually put a wrench to the car. The guy that I ordered the 6V battery from forgot to order it from his supplier so, I was unable to try to bump the car and therefore, i didn't bother with an oil change yet. 
1: I pulled all the plugs and shot WD40 in the holes. The plugs came out nice and easy and I did not notice any rust on them at all.
2: In order to get to the front pass plug, I had to move the generator. This would be my first true test so, another shot of WD40, a bit of muscle and a med size ratchet and the bolt came loose without snapping! The generator slid easily out of the way.
3: With all the plugs out, I attempted to spin the engine by hand by pulling on the fan blade. Nothing moved.  The crank is VERY close to the radiator and in order to get a socket on it, I need to take out the rad. I should have it pressure tested anyway so, next weekend, it will come out and I will finally see if I can get this engine spinning.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 29, 2007, 05:39:46 pm
Three years ago and not realizing I was going to restore a couple of VW's, I threw out all my lead stuff.? I also threw out some? aluminum filler kits.? It was an aluminum powder and a catalyst agent.? Great stuff.

I have no doubt that I will be asking you a LOT of questions.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Danish on July 29, 2007, 05:45:59 pm
Is it possible to replace the generator and 6V battery with an alternator and 12V battery?

(Anything is possible I suppose, I mean is it cheap and commonplace to do so?)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 29, 2007, 05:48:31 pm
Is it possible to replace the generator and 6V battery with an alternator and 12V battery?

(Anything is possible I suppose, I mean is it cheap and commonplace to do so?)

12V conversions are normal on old VWs- they even use the same starter motor. Old Caddies dont' have much aftermarket support though.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: JWC on July 29, 2007, 09:00:26 pm
12V conversions are normal on old VWs- they even use the same starter motor. Old Caddies dont' have much aftermarket support though.

I know guys who have switched and used the original starter motor, but not for long.  The correct way is to change out the flywheel and use a 12v starter. 

As to the conversion....all bulbs have to be changed out, front, rear, dome, and dash.  Probably all relays will also have to go.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 29, 2007, 09:04:02 pm
I know guys who have switched and used the original starter motor, but not for long.? The correct way is to change out the flywheel and use a 12v starter.?


 :huh:

That's the setup onthe one in my driveway. Maybe the fact that its the original single port 1200 has something to do with it?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 30, 2007, 08:57:33 am
What I was kinda hoping to do in reguards to the 6V setup was to put in a 12V battery and then use a 6V converter where needed. For example, I would have a bunch of converters for things like lights, clock, starter, ect but, when i install a radio, that will go straight with the 12V.
As things like the generator and the starter go bad, I can replace then with a 12V and take them off the converter.
thoughts?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Danish on July 30, 2007, 10:42:11 am
What I was kinda hoping to do in reguards to the 6V setup was to put in a 12V battery and then use a 6V converter where needed. For example, I would have a bunch of converters for things like lights, clock, starter, ect but, when i install a radio, that will go straight with the 12V.
As things like the generator and the starter go bad, I can replace then with a 12V and take them off the converter.
thoughts?

Seems to me, if you are doing a complete restore, may as well bring the entire electricals into the 21st century :huh:

Many of the bulbs/relays in the car are probably shot anyways and it'd be cheaper and easier to find 12V ones

Just a thought
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on July 30, 2007, 11:17:03 am
What I was kinda hoping to do in reguards to the 6V setup was to put in a 12V battery and then use a 6V converter where needed. For example, I would have a bunch of converters for things like lights, clock, starter, ect but, when i install a radio, that will go straight with the 12V.
As things like the generator and the starter go bad, I can replace then with a 12V and take them off the converter.
thoughts?

I remember a friend of mine who was dropping a 289 Ford V8 into a Ford Cortina.  The V8 needed 12 volts and the car chassis needed 6.  The solution was a 12V battery with a 12 V alternator and ignition system.  The guy modfied the battery with a tap (actually a big screw) in the middle that acted as a positive terminal post for 6 volts.  I don't remember if it worked or not.  In theory it would.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on July 30, 2007, 03:46:47 pm
For those keeping score so far:
Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter                   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter                   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch                   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam                   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
      
Money Left   $4,904.98    
Money Spent   $95.02    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 30, 2007, 04:14:28 pm
I remember a friend of mine who was dropping a 289 Ford V8 into a Ford Cortina.? The V8 needed 12 volts and the car chassis needed 6.? The solution was a 12V battery with a 12 V alternator and ignition system.? The guy modfied the battery with a tap (actually a big screw) in the middle that acted as a positive terminal post for 6 volts.? I don't remember if it worked or not.? In theory it would.

You could also hook 2 6 V batteries in series; connecting the positive terminal of battery one to the negative of battery two.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Danish on July 30, 2007, 04:15:51 pm
You could also hook 2 6 V batteries in series; connecting the positive terminal of battery one to the negative of battery two.


That's so simple its bloody genius!

100 points for you!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: S204STi on July 30, 2007, 05:47:25 pm
Seems to me, if you are doing a complete restore, may as well bring the entire electricals into the 21st century :huh:

Many of the bulbs/relays in the car are probably shot anyways and it'd be cheaper and easier to find 12V ones

Just a thought

Well, then it wouldn't be a restoration, in a technical sense. :tounge:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 02, 2007, 01:09:13 pm
I found this in another board but, I am posting it here since it is on my work CPU and I don't want to loose the bookmark.
Basically, it is a "how to" manual of what I need to do to my car this weekend.

Subject: "un-storing" an antique car
Question -
I recently inherited a 1949 Buick Roadmaster sedan (mostly original w/under 65k mi.) that has been in dry but unheated storage since 1988.
What must I do to make this car drivable again? Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Answer -
First of all, my congratulations!  This is every car hobbyist's fondest dream - and the '49 Roadmaster is a beautiful and timeless design, and a car that can be driven in modern traffic without any problem.

It is important that you proceed carefully with this car - there are some very common mistakes that can cause serious problems in the future if you don't avoid them.

We'll start with the DON'Ts!

Do NOT try to start the engine.  Do not even try to turn it with a wrench on the front pulley or a pry bar on the flywheel.  You'll very likely break something, and even if it does crank over, you'll circulate the gritty mud in the bottom of the oil pan all through the engine, ruining the bearings in short order.

Do NOT install a battery even for purposes of seeing "what works".  These cars have cloth covered wiring, and that is a favorite food of mice and other rodents - leaving you with bare copper wire in contact with metal surfaces and other wires - a likely cause of fires.

Now the DOOOOS:

Jack it up and take off the wheels and what remains of the tires.  Get the wheels sandblasted and/or painted as required, and mount a decent set of tires on them.  You'll have to choose between the correct looking and driving original style bias ply tires, and modern radials.  Radials are probably safer for high speed driving, but they don't look right, no matter what others say.  The profile (cross section) of the tire is wrong for a '40s car.  There are various antique car tire dealers to deal with, Coker is one that many of us use, and they will know what tire is right for your car.

When you get it up and rolling on its own wheels, have it transported (Flatbedded, please!) to wherever the mechanical work is to be done.

Jack up the front end and put it on sturdy safety stands, then drop the engine oil pan.  Clean it out (you'll be astonished at the grit!).  Even though you checked the dip stick and thought you hade spanking new oil in it, what has happened is that the dirt all fell to the bottom of the pan.
Clean everything you can see from there, including the oil pickup screen and the oil pump.  While you have the oil pump apart, check the pressure relief valve and free it up if it is stuck.

Reach through the front of the crankcase into the timing gear area and see if there is excessive slop in the timing parts.  If you can wiggle the chain more than 3/8 inch in and out, you are going to have to service this area soon, but this is not an emergency.

Remove each bearing cap (don't mix them up) and visually inspect each bearing for scratches or bare copper showing.  If all looks well, check the clearances with Plasti-Gauge.  If the clearances are 0.0025 inches or less, it is safe to proceed.

If the clearances are larger than that, you are going to have to rebuild the engine anyway, so you might as well stop here and prepare to remove the engine.  With 65K on the car, this should not be needed, unless the car has been run with dirty oil (or it turns out to be 165K).  If the bearings check out, coat everything with engine oil and reassemble the bearings and torque them to spec. You do have a factory Shop manual, right?  If not, get one before you do anything on the mechanical parts.
These are available from one of the literature dealers like Ed Faxon of Riverside CA.  They are expensive but you are going to need it for sure!

Don't reinstall the oil pan yet.  Shoot oil all over everything you can see from under there, and really soak the area of the camshaft bearings
and lobes, plus the timing gears.   Shoot oil up into the pistons and
cylinder walls too.

Now, let the car down and remove the valve cover.  Oil everything you can see from there also.  Remove the spark plugs and fill each cylinder with oil.  I'd use just plain SAE30W oil at this point - buy good stuff at NAPA or other parts place.  Do NOT reinstall the spark plugs yet.

NOW, get back under the car with a long large screw driver, or a tire iron, or some other beefy lever, and try to move the flywheel a little bit by prying between a flywheel tooth and the block surface.  If you can rotate the crankshaft this way, you're in very good luck.  If you cannot, again, the engine will have to come out to be disassembled, so you might as well quit here and get ready to pull the engine.

If you can rotate the crank this way, turn it in the clockwise direction (as viewed from the front), slowly, a little bit at a time, feeling for any abrupt increase in resistance.  If it seems to stick at any point, STOP!  You can easily bend a part if you put a lot of force on it.  If it seems to turn all the way around, go through at least 2 complete
rotations.   If you've gotten this far, its time to see if the car will
run.

Put the oil pan back up, clean out and replace the oil filter, and fill the crankcase to spec, plus 1 QT for the filter. Still leave the spark plugs out for now.

Now we have to backtrack to the electrical system.  By now, you need to have carefully inspected all the wiring you can see, including up under the dashboard.  If you see any evidence of frayed or bare wires, you are
probably going to have to install a new wiring harness.   Also, pay
special attention to the headliner of the car.  If there are any bulges that don't belong, investigate. These are a favorite place for critters to build nests, and if they've built nests up there, they've probably chewed through the wires too.  You'll have to remove the headliner and clean out the mess and dead critters (wear a mask!) and check that wiring too.

Once you are comfortable with the wiring, install a new battery and try the starter to see if it will crank the engine.  Just crank it for a second or two to see.  If it will, install a temporary mechanical oil pressure gauge where the dash oil pressure gauge sender is normally installed on the engine block.  Now, have a helper crank the engine to see if oil pressure builds. If you see 30 PSI while cranking with no spark
plugs installed, you are in great shape!   Leave the valve cover off, we
still need to verify that there is oil circulation upstairs - these engines can develop a blockage in the oil feed to the rocker area that you need to check for.

Now you can install the spark plugs, and move on to the next item - the Fuel System.

While all this is going on, take care of the fuel tank issues.  After that many years, you are going to have to remove the gas tank and send it out for complete cleaning and perhaps sealing.  There are commercial places that specialize in this - do a Google search on "Gas Tank Renewal" and you'll find them.  Also, replace all the rubber parts in the fuel system with modern rubber parts - this includes all the hoses and the fuel pump.  Inspect the steel fuel lines for rust, and blow them clear with compressed air or replace them as needed.   Rebuild the carburetor, or send it to a reputable carburetor shop - don't let the teenager down the block do it!

Attend to the ignition system also; do a complete ignition system tune-up:
Plugs, points, condenser, rotor, cap, wires and set everything to spec.

Now, you can try to start the engine.  Yes, I know we haven't looked at the cooling system or brakes yet, but let's hear that wonderful straight 8
run for a few minutes anyway.   You don't need to do anything to the
transmission at this point (assuming it is the Dynaflow) other than verify that it has fluid in it.  Take a quick look at the rocker shaft area to verify that oil is getting pumped up there.

If the engine will start, now is the time to get after the cooling system and the brakes.  Pull the radiator and get it cleaned out (rodded).
Replace all the belts and hoses, and rebuild the water pump.   Try filling
the radiator to see what the leak situation is.  If it doesn't leak, it is OK to start 'er up and let it run for a while.  It will smoke like crazy for a while, but it should settle down after a half hour or so.  Keep
checking the temperature and oil pressure.   If the dash temp gauge isn't
working, get a candy thermometer from your local housewares department and stick it down into the radiator top.  Watch into the top of the radiator to see that the water is circulating OK.  If not, you may have a stuck thermostat.  Feel the upper radiator hose to see if it is getting warm after a few minutes, if it is this is a good sign.  If not, pull the thermostat out and run the engine without it for a few hours.  If it will do that and not overheat, you've passed another milestone.  If it does overheat, you are going to have to pop out all the core plugs ("Freeze out plugs") and clean out the water jackets.

The braking and exhaust systems are going to need to be completely rebuilt before you can drive the car, but leave that until all the other items are in good shape - then have the car flatbedded to a brake and muffler shop and get all that taken care of.
 
You'll also need to lubricate the chassis and the differential, and all the body lubrication points (check that shop manual!).

Now, finally, you have a drivable car - and you're ready to tackle the cosmetics.

I'll stop here, my fingers are getting sore!

These are great cars, and well worth your bother to do them right!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: S204STi on August 02, 2007, 03:18:44 pm
Now THAT was an informative post.  +1000 points for Southdiver, good find man. :rockon:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 04, 2007, 09:44:49 am
Well, bad news ladies... the engine is seized... No good.. kaput

I changed the oil and dropped and cleaned the pan. It smelled bad but, not too dirty.
After that, I went ahead and put in a new battery and attempted to bump it over. Nothing.
rechecked the connections and tried again... Nothing.  The lights work and the voltage gauge indicates all is good but, when I try to start it, she doesn't move very much.

looks like it is time for a small block?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on August 04, 2007, 10:41:01 am
No, time for a 572 :P
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 06, 2007, 11:25:18 am
For those keeping score....

Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 Deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
      
      
Money Left   $4,823.02    
Money Spent   $176.98    


So far I am close to $200 bucks in the car and I still haven't even gotten the engine to turn over..(sigh)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: The Pirate on August 06, 2007, 11:29:24 am
Is it a set in stone $5K budget, or do you have some extra to work with?  It seems that projects always run over budget, planning for that goes a long way in project success and personal sanity.


Either way, hope you're having fun, and I'm looking forward to hearing about your continued progress.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 06, 2007, 11:42:54 am
Is it a set in stone $5K budget, or do you have some extra to work with?? It seems that projects always run over budget, planning for that goes a long way in project success and personal sanity.


Either way, hope you're having fun, and I'm looking forward to hearing about your continued progress.

5K is a personnal goal of mine. Also, I ned to point out that it does not include things like new glass (mine is good but, not show quality), Radio (not really needed), or custom paint.
I am targeting 5 grand to have it on the road with a coat of paint so it will be a nice weekend cruiser.  Anything spent after that (like airbags, CD player,ect) does not count.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: GoCougs on August 06, 2007, 02:02:48 pm
Well, bad news ladies... the engine is seized... No good.. kaput

I changed the oil and dropped and cleaned the pan. It smelled bad but, not too dirty.
After that, I went ahead and put in a new battery and attempted to bump it over. Nothing.
rechecked the connections and tried again... Nothing.? The lights work and the voltage gauge indicates all is good but, when I try to start it, she doesn't move very much.

looks like it is time for a small block?

When you state that it doesn't move very much, are you referring to the engine itself (as in, not turing over very far)?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 06, 2007, 02:31:09 pm
When you state that it doesn't move very much, are you referring to the engine itself (as in, not turing over very far)?


Sorry, I should have been more specific. The engine itself does not move at all....  I was able to get a BIG breaker bar on the crank last night and really lean into it and still nothing. I might as well have been pushing an oak tree.  I was hoping for ANY movement but, none so far.. Maybe a few more days of soaking in oil will help....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: GoCougs on August 06, 2007, 03:01:46 pm
Sorry, I should have been more specific. The engine itself does not move at all....? I was able to get a BIG breaker bar on the crank last night and really lean into it and still nothing. I might as well have been pushing an oak tree.? I was hoping for ANY movement but, none so far.. Maybe a few more days of soaking in oil will help....

That's too bad. Perhaps if it's just rust on the cylinder walls, there's hope to get it running, but one would think it'd still need a rebuild.

Sure, what the heck. Give it a gallon of WD-40 and see what happens!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 06, 2007, 03:26:15 pm
Well, bad news ladies... the engine is seized... No good.. kaput

I changed the oil and dropped and cleaned the pan. It smelled bad but, not too dirty.
After that, I went ahead and put in a new battery and attempted to bump it over. Nothing.
rechecked the connections and tried again... Nothing.? The lights work and the voltage gauge indicates all is good but, when I try to start it, she doesn't move very much.

looks like it is time for a small block?


Nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, anything but that!

Try to at least look into what it would take to rebuild the 331.

If worse comes to worst, put a later caddy motor in there.

It might be prohibitively expensive to rebuild the original motor, I understand: but a decent 472/500 won't cost you anything more than a mildly built small block will.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 06, 2007, 03:30:38 pm

Nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please, anything but that!

Try to at least look into what it would take to rebuild the 331.

If worse comes to worst, put a later caddy motor in there.

It might be prohibitively expensive to rebuild the original motor, I understand: but a decent 472/500 won't cost you anything more than a mildly built small block will.
I was leaning towards the 350 because I can probably get the engine/trans for free however, I suppose looking in the junkyard  for a 70's model Caddy won't hurt......

Rebuilding the 331 won't be too bad but, I am afraid that if I strip it down and start to wack on the pistons to break them loose, I might have an issue if the piston cracks or if I break a rod.
In the meantime, I am going to start to concentrate on the body.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: omicron on August 06, 2007, 10:51:04 pm
How did I miss this?

Restoring Cadillacs :rockon:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on August 09, 2007, 01:01:37 pm
Sorry, I should have been more specific. The engine itself does not move at all....? I was able to get a BIG breaker bar on the crank last night and really lean into it and still nothing. I might as well have been pushing an oak tree.? I was hoping for ANY movement but, none so far.. Maybe a few more days of soaking in oil will help....

Did you try this?

NOW, get back under the car with a long large screw driver, or a tire iron, or some other beefy lever, and try to move the flywheel a little bit by prying between a flywheel tooth and the block surface.  If you can rotate the crankshaft this way, you're in very good luck.  If you cannot, again, the engine will have to come out to be disassembled, so you might as well quit here and get ready to pull the engine.


Any luck yet with the engine?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 09, 2007, 05:09:33 pm
Did you try this?

NOW, get back under the car with a long large screw driver, or a tire iron, or some other beefy lever, and try to move the flywheel a little bit by prying between a flywheel tooth and the block surface.? If you can rotate the crankshaft this way, you're in very good luck.? If you cannot, again, the engine will have to come out to be disassembled, so you might as well quit here and get ready to pull the engine.


Any luck yet with the engine?

I tried to turn it over with the key today but, nothing...
This weekend I will break out the tools again
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on August 10, 2007, 08:03:00 am
I tried to turn it over with the key today but, nothing...
This weekend I will break out the tools again

The restorers on one list I am on swear by a product called PB Blaster.? Its some kind of very good penetrating oil.? I've never used it so I can't give you any first hand reults, but they swear by it.? If you can find it you might try a liberal shot of that stuff in each spark plug hole.? By liberal shot I mean enough to cover the entire piston crown.  Let it sit a while, several days, while you fiddle with other parts of the car.

You've got the plugs out when you are trying to turn it over by hand, right?

If you can't get good access to the flywheel yYou might also try a BABB (Big Ass Breaker Bar) and socket on the crank pulley nut. No sudden shocks, just steady force.

In any event be careful. If things move suddenly you can easily get hurt. 

And there was a story on the local news this morning about a guy that was killed when the ar he was under fell off of a floor jack.  Make sure the car is very well supported. When I have mine on hjack stands I always leave the jack under the car also, to act as a last line of defense should the car come off of the stands.   You can't be too careful when you are under there prying on stuff. 

Good luck and let us know how you come out.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 10, 2007, 08:18:52 am
The restorers on one list I am on swear by a product called PB Blaster.? Its some kind of very good penetrating oil.? I've never used it so I can't give you any first hand reults, but they swear by it.? If you can find it you might try a liberal shot of that stuff in each spark plug hole.? By liberal shot I mean enough to cover the entire piston crown.? Let it sit a while, several days, while you fiddle with other parts of the car.

You've got the plugs out when you are trying to turn it over by hand, right?

If you can't get good access to the flywheel yYou might also try a BABB (Big Ass Breaker Bar) and socket on the crank pulley nut. No sudden shocks, just steady force.

In any event be careful. If things move suddenly you can easily get hurt.?

And there was a story on the local news this morning about a guy that was killed when the ar he was under fell off of a floor jack.? Make sure the car is very well supported. When I have mine on hjack stands I always leave the jack under the car also, to act as a last line of defense should the car come off of the stands.? ?You can't be too careful when you are under there prying on stuff.?

Good luck and let us know how you come out.

It is sitting on four jack stands right now. I was planning on using a tire iron to try to turn the flywheel and I was worried that I might pull it off the stands and then it hit me.. The car is over 4000 LBS. I am strong but, not that strong.
Yeah, the plugs are out and the belt (only one) is off the fan. It is soaking in marvles mystery oil right now and I filled the plug holes to the top. I figure if it actually does turn, it will just force some of the oil out of the holes. I will worry about getting the rest out later with a small syringe or something and then just let the rest burn off and foul the plugs. As long as I get the damn thing turning.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on August 10, 2007, 08:59:34 am
It is sitting on four jack stands right now. I was planning on using a tire iron to try to turn the flywheel and I was worried that I might pull it off the stands and then it hit me.. The car is over 4000 LBS. I am strong but, not that strong.
Yeah, the plugs are out and the belt (only one) is off the fan. It is soaking in marvles mystery oil right now and I filled the plug holes to the top. I figure if it actually does turn, it will just force some of the oil out of the holes. I will worry about getting the rest out later with a small syringe or something and then just let the rest burn off and foul the plugs. As long as I get the damn thing turning.

When I have a car up on jack stands I always grab a bumper or whatever and give the car a couple of strong tugs and pushes.  If it moves around at all it isn't secure enough for me to crawl under there.  And I still have the jacks under there contacting the lift points.....just in case.

If it does turn you will have oil running out the plug holes, thats a small price to pay though.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: The Pirate on August 11, 2007, 04:01:20 pm
PB Blaster is great stuff, I use it for seized things all the time. 
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 11, 2007, 06:28:16 pm
Latest update...
I was able to get a set of tires and rims from a friend who was junking his 73 Pontiac.
With the fender skirts off and the crager looking rims, I am starting to like the street rod look...

(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2473/dsci0013nt6.jpg)
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/7714/dsci0012ao1.jpg)
(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/72/dsci0011ir8.jpg)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 12, 2007, 02:52:23 pm
WOO HOO!!!!!

I turned the motor today with the crankshaft bolt!!!
I only got about a 1/2 rotation in both direction but, that is HUGE!!!!!!
No oil came out of the spark plug holes so it might have soaked into the crankcase.  I am gonna fill them up again but with PB blaster this time and give it another week long soaking.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: GoCougs on August 12, 2007, 03:20:46 pm
Good news. How cool will it be if you can actually get it to run!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 13, 2007, 05:42:49 am
Good news. How cool will it be if you can actually get it to run!

Well, I think I was a bit ambitious in thinking I could get it running in three weeks.
Lesson learned.
Anyway.. I am thinking another week of soaking will give it a full rotation.
From there, I need to figure out why the starter isn't even working. My father came over last night and pointed out that the starter button is not the factory one (thats right.. Push button start baby!!!) and the button might be bad so, I will get under it next weekend and try to ump the starter with a screwdriver to see if it even bumps. Maybe a few taps of the hammer will do it also.
Before I do any of that however, I need to get a new floor jack as the one I have was great for the F bodies and the Aveo but, not so good for this car so, I will invest in a REALLY big one. The jack stands are fine as they are.
Also, It is time for a creeper.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on August 13, 2007, 08:03:16 am
Great news about the engine movement.

Does the solenoid click?  If so, maybe the bendix gear is jammed into the flywheel.  It might be worth taking the starter motor out and making sure that the bendix gear is moving freely.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 13, 2007, 08:15:53 am
Great news about the engine movement.

Does the solenoid click?? If so, maybe the bendix gear is jammed into the flywheel.? It might be worth taking the starter motor out and making sure that the bendix gear is moving freely.? Just a thought.

I can hear a very slight click but, not the big click I am used to hearing with a "regular" bad starter.
I need to keep in mind that this is a 6V system so the click might not be as pronounced. Also, the volt gauge does not drop very much even when I hold in the starter button. I expected to see a big drain but, not so much is going on. I mean, the needle hardly moves at all.
Again, I am not complaining as I am thrilled to death that the engine turns at all.
A new starter should not bee too expensive if it is a bad starter.
I will pull it out this weekend and oil that up also.
Also this weekend I am gonna try to turn it with a prybar on the flywheel itself.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on August 13, 2007, 06:25:33 pm
You might want to pull off the valve covers and take a look at the top end. If any rocker arms or valves are stuck, better to determine that now than when you throw a starter motor's torque at it :P
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on August 14, 2007, 10:56:07 am
Well, I think I was a bit ambitious in thinking I could get it running in three weeks.
Lesson learned.
Anyway.. I am thinking another week of soaking will give it a full rotation.
From there, I need to figure out why the starter isn't even working. My father came over last night and pointed out that the starter button is not the factory one (thats right.. Push button start baby!!!) and the button might be bad so, I will get under it next weekend and try to ump the starter with a screwdriver to see if it even bumps. Maybe a few taps of the hammer will do it also.
Before I do any of that however, I need to get a new floor jack as the one I have was great for the F bodies and the Aveo but, not so good for this car so, I will invest in a REALLY big one. The jack stands are fine as they are.
Also, It is time for a creeper.

That's great that you at least have movement.  The suggestion of pulling the valve covers and checking the valve train for movement is a good one.  I doubt that is an interference engine, but why risk it. 

If it were me I would pull the starter and take it to be checked.  Make sure they understand its 6 volt.  It is a 6 volt system, right?  You probably ought to take the generator while you are at it. 

Check that the solenoid and starter are getting juice with a volt meter.  You have a wiring diagram?  If not, it's just a matter of tracing back.   
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 14, 2007, 11:04:32 am
That's great that you at least have movement.? The suggestion of pulling the valve covers and checking the valve train for movement is a good one.? I doubt that is an interference engine, but why risk it.?

If it were me I would pull the starter and take it to be checked.? Make sure they understand its 6 volt.? It is a 6 volt system, right?? You probably ought to take the generator while you are at it.?

Check that the solenoid and starter are getting juice with a volt meter.? You have a wiring diagram?? If not, it's just a matter of tracing back.? ?

Hello John,
Yes, it is a 6V system.
At this point, I have decided to stop working on the engine until I get the factory manual in my hands. I just ordered the CD.
The "breaking point" for me is the fact that, even with the fan belt hanging loose, I still cannot move the fan at all. I am used to mechanical fans having a fan clutch and it being free spinning so, I don't know what causes this to spin.  It isn't turning with the engine so, I am not sure what is going on at all. For all I know, the bearnings could simply be rusted solid but, I don't like the "get a bigger hammer" idea too much.
I figure I will just start on the body work unti lthis CD comes in. I hate just pulling stuff apart and being unsure of what I am doing although with the fact that I want to have the block powdercoated and the intake manifold painted, the engine is coming apart anyway.
The manual will come in handy and, I am not in a huge hurry.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on August 14, 2007, 11:11:31 am
Hello John,
Yes, it is a 6V system.
At this point, I have decided to stop working on the engine until I get the factory manual in my hands. I just ordered the CD.
The "breaking point" for me is the fact that, even with the fan belt hanging loose, I still cannot move the fan at all. I am used to mechanical fans having a fan clutch and it being free spinning so, I don't know what causes this to spin.? It isn't turning with the engine so, I am not sure what is going on at all. For all I know, the bearnings could simply be rusted solid but, I don't like the "get a bigger hammer" idea too much.
I figure I will just start on the body work unti lthis CD comes in. I hate just pulling stuff apart and being unsure of what I am doing although with the fact that I want to have the block powdercoated and the intake manifold painted, the engine is coming apart anyway.
The manual will come in handy and, I am not in a huge hurry.

I'm about 99% certain the fan is on the waterpump spindle.? The fan belt turns the water pump and the fan.? Sounds like the water pump is frozen.? Not a big deal.? See:? http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/query?adtype=partsforsale&type=water%20pumps for sources.?

You might find this helpful also.  http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/partsforsale/cadillac/unspecified/?year=1949
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on August 20, 2007, 11:16:51 am
Any progress over the week-end?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 20, 2007, 11:31:26 am
Any progress over the week-end?

Not much.. It was over 100 degrees outside so, it was too hot to do any real work. I am at a stalled point until my shop manual arrives.
In the meantime, I did get the water pump to turn by tapping on it with a hammer while pulling on the blade.
As I am cleaning the car, I am finding more and more rust holes.
I found another one under the passanger side rear wheel well near the front. That is gonna be a hard one to weld up but, that weld does not need to be perfect as I plan on undercoating all four wheelwells anyway.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 20, 2007, 03:13:01 pm
For those still keeping track...

Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter        $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter         $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch                   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam       $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 Deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery                   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover                   $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster   $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
      
Money Left   $4,803.49    
Money Spent   $196.51    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Raghavan on August 20, 2007, 03:38:11 pm
Man, that battery is expensive! :confused:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 20, 2007, 03:57:06 pm
Man, that battery is expensive! :confused:

I know..
And it is a friggen 6 volt.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: the Teuton on August 20, 2007, 10:28:40 pm
I didn't read everything.  Resto or rod?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 21, 2007, 05:56:49 am
I didn't read everything.? Resto or rod?

Well, it was gonna be a restoration until I started to price out chrome. Now it is gonna be a rod.
In fact, I will soon start a voting thread

A: Gloss balck paint with a 50's style flame job
B: Flat black paint with "Nose Art" (like the old WWII bombers)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on August 21, 2007, 12:35:16 pm
C: Candy Apple Red :ohyeah: ~ with white vinyl interior.

It looks great on any '49 - '51 Caddy, Buick or Olds!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 21, 2007, 01:17:32 pm
C: Candy Apple Red :ohyeah: ~ with white vinyl interior.

It looks great on any '49 - '51 Caddy, Buick or Olds!

And while I agree with you, changing the color is not something that I want to do at this stage in the game.
Now, a few years down the road if I decide to take the body off the car, well, my thoughts might change.
The problem is, the brown interior is pretty much perfect right now.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on August 22, 2007, 11:07:01 am
While the Caddy is an excellent candidate for a Resto Rod, in Candy Apple Red :ohyeah:, it, certainly, would be a very expensive prospect.  However, as from your description it seems to be a very complete original, I really hope that you can go the restoration route.  As for the chrome bits, etc. while they may be quite tarnished looking and expensive to get replated, you can likely use them as is, with a good buffing, and go with the patina look until it's possible to replate or replace them.  This would mean that the overall look, paint, etc. can not look too new either.  Cars done this way are becoming very desirable and, as long as the drivetrain works well enough, it may be the most economical approach.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 27, 2007, 08:35:28 am
Quick update....
I tried to take off the starter today but, I was missing most of my open end wrenches and I needed a 5/8. The socket wouldn't make it past the frame.
Most of my tools are at my fathers shop so, I need to go there tonight and dump a bunch of tools in a bag and keep them at the house as my Craftsman socket set just isn't enough.
Anyway, I smacked the starter with a hammer a few times and then (after connecting the battery again) attempted to start it.
This time I heard a "clunk" but, still no turn.
Hopefully it is a bad sylonid (sp?).
Either way, I am making progreess SLOWLY.
Once I get it running and have brakes I can drive it to my dads shop and use the air tools, lift, and air conditioning. Progress should go MUCH faster a that point.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Rupert on August 27, 2007, 09:21:31 pm
It's solenoid.

It's gonna be a pretty sweet car in the end...
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 28, 2007, 04:33:50 am
It's solenoid.

It's gonna be a pretty sweet car in the end...


Thanks.. Silly-noid.... (sigh)  :(      :partyon:      :tounge:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Rupert on August 29, 2007, 04:32:23 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on August 31, 2007, 07:58:18 am
WOO HOO!!!!!
I recieved my 1949 Cadillac factory OEM Shop manual last night in the mail.
Basically, it is simply a shop manual that was professionally scanned and then burned onto a CD but, it is indexed very professionally so things like Engine are seperated into catagories like General, Eletricial, cooling, ect.
It has 16 pages dedicated to the body alone.
MAN, I am REALLY stoked about this.
Plus, it has another section with part numbers. At least this will give me a chance to cross reference things that I may need.
Wiring diagrams...... I am VERY stoked about this.

Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 Deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover   $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster   $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
Shop Manual CD   $52.00    Now I actually KNOW what I am doing
      
Money Left   $4,751.49    
Money Spent   $248.51    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 04, 2007, 11:54:37 am
Well, I got my starter off this weekend (can you believe that I didn't have a 5/8 open end wrench?)
Anyway, it is shot so I took it to one of the few guys that knows anything about these starters.
They are sending it off to Orlando for the rebuild so, this weekend I will try to take care of the seized up water pump as I will be starterless.
Since I am VERY excited that the car will turn over, I will also go ahead and drain the fuel tank.
How cool will it bee if this thing actually fires up on the weekend of the 15th?
I plan on video taping it.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on September 04, 2007, 01:29:12 pm
Well, I got my starter off this weekend (can you believe that I didn't have a 5/8 open end wrench?)
Anyway, it is shot so I took it to one of the few guys that knows anything about these starters.
They are sending it off to Orlando for the rebuild so, this weekend I will try to take care of the seized up water pump as I will be starterless.
Since I am VERY excited that the car will turn over, I will also go ahead and drain the fuel tank.
How cool will it bee if this thing actually fires up on the weekend of the 15th?
I plan on video taping it.

You got the engine to turn over by hand?

You are probably going to have to blow out the fuel lines also. 
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 04, 2007, 04:10:23 pm
You got the engine to turn over by hand?

You are probably going to have to blow out the fuel lines also.?

Yeah.. I soaked the spark plug holes for about three weeks and then I used a wrench on the crankshaft bolt.
I was not 100% sure that I was turning the engine or spinning the bolt but, with the starter orr, I can see the flywheel while I turn the crankshaft bolt with a big socket wrench and the flywheel is turning.
I figure I will disconnect the fuel line at the tank and right before the filter and then just blow compressed air but, I think it is all evaporated by now.
I have been leaving the fuel cap off when I am working on it hoping the old fuel (it smells like Acetone now) will evaporate and leave me with less of a mess.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 10, 2007, 08:04:57 am
Well, I got my water pump off this weekend.
If you remember, it was absolutly frozen solid. I snapped one bolt in taking it off but, I gut lucky and there is pleanty of bolt sticking out of the block so I can get a set of lock jaws on it and back it out after hitting it with the PB blaster and a bit of heat.

Anyway, here is a picture of the waterpump with the rear cover removed. You can see where the water just sat for 32 years.
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8619/dsci0088nf0.jpg)
I let it soak in PB blaster for two hours and then jently moved it back and forth while blocking the fan with my feet. It worked and it now spins!!!!!

This next picture of of the heater hose. The buildup looks like shellrock but it is actually calcum buildup from years of not flushing the cooling system.. Let this be a lesson to you kids...
I suspect the heater is totally blocked.
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/928/dsci0089kk7.jpg)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on September 10, 2007, 11:04:39 am
It looks like you're making pretty good progress. 

The cast pieces look pretty healthy from the picture.  I guess, back then in a warm climate, only water was used in the cooling system. I'd guess you'd want to soak the cooling system in some calcium/lime/rust remover product.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 10, 2007, 11:11:06 am
Well, my plan was, once I get the car running was to:
A: Dump some seafoam in the oil to clean that
B: Fill up the rad with water and dump some radiator flush in it
C: put a BUNCH of fuel cleaner in the tank.

From there, drive it straight to my fathers shop (about a 20 minute drive) and change the oil and drain the rad again. Fill up the oil with Royal Purple and fill the rad with a 50/50 mix of water and anti freeze.
However, your CLR idea sounds like it might be a pretty good one.. Have you ever used it?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on September 10, 2007, 11:40:25 am
I've never used it myself.  I've heard of CLR recommended for radiator cleaning but not for the engine.  I'm not too sure what the consequences would be but I expect that it might loosen up the frost plugs.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 10, 2007, 11:47:22 am
I've never used it myself.  I've heard of CLR recommended for radiator cleaning but not for the engine.  I'm not too sure what the consequences would be but I expect that it might loosen up the frost plugs.

Hmmm...
Well, if I put it in the rad, then it will cycle thru the motor... I suppose that I could use it and then flush it several times.... Heck, so far I have done all kinds of silly things to this engine that have worked so far...

By the way, I will recommend PB Blaster over WD40 every day of the year.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: ChrisV on September 10, 2007, 01:25:28 pm
Love seeing the progress on this, especially for the money. And yes, PB > all else... ;)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 10, 2007, 05:42:00 pm
OK.. Trying to do the cost with a new format...

Money to spend   $5,000.00   
Oil Filter   $14.05   Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00   good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83   Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22   Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99   Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 Deap socket   $4.25   That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25   Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46   Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery   $63.30   Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover   $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster   $6.58   Soak the pistons another week.
Shop Manual CD   $52.00   Now I actually KNOW what I am doing
Generator Belt   $8.99   
PB Blaster   $4.19   
Cheap Oil   $1.79   Good for soaking bolts in
Degreaser   $2.09   
1/3 Clamp   $2.49   For the heater hose
1/3 Clamp   $2.49   Ditto
1/2 Clamp   $2.49   Radiator Set Clamp
1/2 Clamp   $2.49   Radiator Set Clamp
Upper Rad Hose   $14.09   
Lower rad hose   $15.99   
4 ft heater hose   $0.00   Looks like they forgot to charge me?
   
      
Money left    $4,694.39   
Money spent   $305.61   
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 11, 2007, 09:47:17 am
Oil Filter           $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter           $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch           $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam                   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords           $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket           $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner           $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery                   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover           $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster           $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
Shop Manual CD      $52.00    Now I actually KNOW what I am doing
Generator Belt     $8.99    
PB Blaster              $4.19    
Cheap Oil          $1.79    Good for soaking bolts in
Degreaser          $2.09    
1/3 Clamp           $2.49    Heater Hose clamps
1/3 Clamp           $2.49    
1/2 Clamp           $2.49    Rad hose clamp set
1/2 Clamp           $2.49    
Upper Rad Hose          $14.09    
Lower rad hose           $15.99    
heater hose           $0.00    They forgot to charge me?
Starter rebuild           $122.18    so far, it is the prettiest part of the car.
      
Money Left           $4,572.21    
Money Spent           $427.79    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on September 11, 2007, 10:01:55 am
Have you got plates for it yet :mrcool:?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 11, 2007, 10:14:52 am
Have you got plates for it yet :mrcool:?

Not yet...  There was some "power of attorney" issues. Nothing bad just some confusion. The lady I bought it from was the exeutor of her fathers estate.
Anyway, I didn't get a copy of the power of attorney from her and she lives up in Tennessee.
I called her and she gave me the number to her attorney.  $$$$$
I spoke to the attorney and he told me he has delt with this before and I should go ahead and send him the title and he will take care of the stamps and such.
I know I am gonna pay for it but, at least it will be done....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 14, 2007, 12:52:57 pm
Things are starting to add up but, I am still WAY under budget


Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover   $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster   $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
Shop Manual CD   $52.00    Now I actually KNOW what I am doing
Generator Belt     $8.99    
PB Blaster      $4.19    
Cheap Oil   $1.79    Good for soaking bolts in
Degreaser    $2.09    
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    Heater Hose clamps
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    Rad hose clamp set
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    
Upper Rad Hose   $14.09    
Lower rad hose   $15.99    
4 ft heater hose   $0.00    They forgot to charge me?
Starter rebuild   $122.18    so far, it is the prettiest part of the car.
Gasket maker   $7.99    Big sheet and I get to make gaskets myself
Water pump sealer   $2.49    Gasket sealer for the water pump
      
      
Money Left   $4,561.73    
Money Spent   $438.27    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 16, 2007, 05:44:31 am
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331 so, I am now looking into an engine swap.
Here is the delemia.
A Chevy 350 is very plentiful but, might not fit in very well without modifications.
A Caddy 500 is almost a straight bolt in however, they are hard to find....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Rupert on September 16, 2007, 02:14:20 pm
0_0

It's got to have a Caddy engine!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: sandertheshark on September 16, 2007, 09:31:01 pm
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331 so, I am now looking into an engine swap.
Here is the delemia.
A Chevy 350 is very plentiful but, might not fit in very well without modifications.
A Caddy 500 is almost a straight bolt in however, they are hard to find....
How about an L-head?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on September 17, 2007, 06:14:16 am
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331

How did that happen?

Go to http://www.clcnorcal.com/id15.html and check the listings.  You might be able to find a good 331 engine if you desire to. 
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 17, 2007, 07:26:34 am
How did that happen?

Go to http://www.clcnorcal.com/id15.html and check the listings.  You might be able to find a good 331 engine if you desire to. 

How did it happen?
Well, the short story is that I am a friggen retard.

I snapped a bold off inthe head trying to remove my waterpum.
No big deal right? just drill it out.
Well, during my attempts to drill it out, I keps breaking drill bits and my frustration mounted. I fulally got it to bite but, it was at an angle going towards the crankase.
Again, because I was frustrated, I just kept on going until I felt it punch thru something. The leangth and the angle tells me I went thru the crankcase.
I am currently looking onto a JB weld repair. I am still pretty frustrated because I connected the new starter and it actually cranked with good compression on all 8 pistons.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on September 17, 2007, 11:09:08 am
It's good news that you've got it cranking.  Too bad about the hole in the block.  Maybe it's not as bad as you think.  Did you get the broken bolt out?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 17, 2007, 11:43:22 am
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331 so, I am now looking into an engine swap.
Here is the delemia.
A Chevy 350 is very plentiful but, might not fit in very well without modifications.
A Caddy 500 is almost a straight bolt in however, they are hard to find....

No they aren't. The only 500s that are hard to find are the early '70 Eldo motors with the nodular iron crank, and unless you're planning on pumping out over 650 HP, you don't need one.

They're still relatively easy to find at most junkyards.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 17, 2007, 11:45:57 am
How about an L-head?

Well, the interesting thing about the '49 is it is in many ways the first truly post war caddy (new body and all new drivetrain): and the first year for the OHV V-8. If he had a '48, he'd already have a flathead.

He could also go with a 472, but might be advised to steer clear of the 425s.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 17, 2007, 11:58:03 am
I have not gotten the bolt out of the block yet. I figured the best thing was to step back and take a breather before getting pissed and causing more damage.

I was able to find a conversion kit for a Caddy 500 which consists of motor mounts and oil pan for pretty cheap.
I have had no luck at all with the same kit for a Chevy smallblock.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on September 20, 2007, 08:17:33 am
A 350 instantly makes this car a huge snooze. Get a Caddy 500, a crate 572, anything but an everybody-and-his-mom smallblock.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 20, 2007, 08:29:12 am
A 350 instantly makes this car a huge snooze. Get a Caddy 500, a crate 572, anything but an everybody-and-his-mom smallblock.
Well, a crate 572 is out of the question... WAY too much money.
The only reason I am looking at the 350 is because they are everywhere but, you are correct. it makes it a real snooze fest.
Tomorrow night I should know if I can get my hands on a 500 or, this weekend when I pull the timing chain cover off, I will know how much damage I actually caused....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on September 21, 2007, 11:07:18 pm
Well, a crate 572 is out of the question... WAY too much money.
The only reason I am looking at the 350 is because they are everywhere but, you are correct. it makes it a real snooze fest.
Tomorrow night I should know if I can get my hands on a 500 or, this weekend when I pull the timing chain cover off, I will know how much damage I actually caused....

Oh, I know a 572 is worth more than this whole car a few times over. Just piling on the "anything but a 5.7" a bit too much :P
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 21, 2007, 11:18:04 pm
Oh, I know a 572 is worth more than this whole car a few times over. Just piling on the "anything but a 5.7" a bit too much :P

It's still based on the Chebbie bore spacing, and is thus blasphemous to put in a caddy, besides which, worth has little to do with any of this: although Diver's $5000 budget would be blown away...
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: GoCougs on September 21, 2007, 11:33:46 pm
How did it happen?
Well, the short story is that I am a friggen retard.

I snapped a bold off inthe head trying to remove my waterpum.
No big deal right? just drill it out.
Well, during my attempts to drill it out, I keps breaking drill bits and my frustration mounted. I fulally got it to bite but, it was at an angle going towards the crankase.
Again, because I was frustrated, I just kept on going until I felt it punch thru something. The leangth and the angle tells me I went thru the crankcase.
I am currently looking onto a JB weld repair. I am still pretty frustrated because I connected the new starter and it actually cranked with good compression on all 8 pistons.

I'm trying to envision exactly what happened (drilled through back of a bolt hole?), but I imagine that a machine shop should be able to fix it. Heck, you might even be able to tap it, install a threaded plug with lots of Loctite red, and call it good.

I don't think there's any shame in the 350. Most people won't know, and IMO even a moderately built example will outpower most any stock big block Caddy motors you'd find. Those few that it won't ('70 500 for example) are really rare.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 21, 2007, 11:39:39 pm
I'm trying to envision exactly what happened (drilled through back of a bolt hole?), but I imagine that a machine shop should be able to fix it. Heck, you might even be able to tap it, install a threaded plug with lots of Loctite red, and call it good.

I don't think there's any shame in the 350. Most people won't know, and IMO even a moderately built example will outpower most any stock big block Caddy motors you'd find. Those few that it won't ('70 500 for example) are really rare.

Bahhh: even a wheez-o-matic '77-'79 425 can be cheaply built to better the power of most mild 350s.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: the Teuton on September 22, 2007, 12:18:39 am
Now that the show is finally over, I can show you this car.

(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v132/23/13/14228342/n14228342_34328049_1510.jpg)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 23, 2007, 10:44:53 am
I'm trying to envision exactly what happened (drilled through back of a bolt hole?), but I imagine that a machine shop should be able to fix it. Heck, you might even be able to tap it, install a threaded plug with lots of Loctite red, and call it good.

I don't think there's any shame in the 350. Most people won't know, and IMO even a moderately built example will outpower most any stock big block Caddy motors you'd find. Those few that it won't ('70 500 for example) are really rare.

OK...
If you look at the engine from the front, we are looing at the lower bold hole on the block on the right hand side. the crankcases in about 4 inches to the left.
Anyway, I started to drill straight and, because of my frustration, I started to angle towards the crankcase (to the left).
Most smart folk would have stopped and re-evaluated but, not me.
I kept on going until I felt something push thru. I am assuming that wouldbe the crankcase however, I am not starting to doubt myself. I may have busted thru a waterjacket instead because if I push a small drillbit thru the hole, I am still hitting something. If I was in the crankcase, I should go all the way thru unless I am hitting the camshaft itself....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 23, 2007, 02:23:34 pm
OK...
If you look at the engine from the front, we are looing at the lower bold hole on the block on the right hand side. the crankcases in about 4 inches to the left.
Anyway, I started to drill straight and, because of my frustration, I started to angle towards the crankcase (to the left).
Most smart folk would have stopped and re-evaluated but, not me.
I kept on going until I felt something push thru. I am assuming that wouldbe the crankcase however, I am not starting to doubt myself. I may have busted thru a waterjacket instead because if I push a small drillbit thru the hole, I am still hitting something. If I was in the crankcase, I should go all the way thru unless I am hitting the camshaft itself....

You might try spinning the water pump with an impact wrench and seeing if you're pumping any coolant into the oil pan.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 23, 2007, 05:21:44 pm
Thats actually a pretty easy thing to check cometo think of it.
I can turn the motor over under it's own power now.
I should go ahead and tap and rethread the hole and just put the pump back on.
Once I get it running, drive it and change the oil. I should see water at that point....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 23, 2007, 06:01:25 pm
Thats actually a pretty easy thing to check cometo think of it.
I can turn the motor over under it's own power now.
I should go ahead and tap and rethread the hole and just put the pump back on.
Once I get it running, drive it and change the oil. I should see water at that point....

Seems like it would work to me.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 24, 2007, 07:45:06 am
Seems like it would work to me.
Naturally, I killed the battery so, I need to buy a charger...'sigh'
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 27, 2007, 04:20:52 pm
So, are you really selling it?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on September 27, 2007, 05:05:43 pm
So, are you really selling it?

Well... yeah... I was but, I don't know.
I found a 65 Buick vert that I wanted but, I went and looked at it last night and it is too far gone so, I am gonna start the the body work on it while I am still looking for an engine.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on October 01, 2007, 07:02:34 am
OK...
I sandblasted the hood this weekend, hit it with a skim coat of bondo to cover up the small imperfections, primer, block sand, and then primer again.

I still need to sand it smooth one more time before I lay paint but for now, it will sit in the thick primer/sealer.
On another note, I found a Caddy 500 attached to a turbo 400 transmission. Hopefully if the weather holds out, I can grab it next weekend.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on October 15, 2007, 12:11:06 pm
Anything happening with the Caddy?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on October 15, 2007, 01:43:05 pm
Anything happening with the Caddy?

I tried to get it to turn over Sunday evening and was met with...silence...
I put the charger on it and this morning...silence again.
I called the place that I bought my battery from and they told me to bring it in for a straight exchange.
On a side note, I went to the NSRA show in Tampa this weekend and gathered knowlege, patience, and... pictures.
I will post the pix soon.
Basically, I either need to have a LOT of talent or, a LOT of money.
Since the money issue ain't gonna happen any time soon, I better get smart.
My father swore that we will have it running this weekend. I still need to get the brakes working....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on October 15, 2007, 02:24:20 pm
I think that patience is the key.  It's been a while since I've really tried my hand at any refurbishing or fixing but anytime I tried to take shortcuts it just made the process more difficult.  I'm hoping to start my project within a year...and, this time, I'm determined to do it right...no matter how long it takes.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on October 15, 2007, 02:30:34 pm
I think that patience is the key.  It's been a while since I've really tried my hand at any refurbishing or fixing but anytime I tried to take shortcuts it just made the process more difficult.  I'm hoping to start my project within a year...and, this time, I'm determined to do it right...no matter how long it takes.

Right now, I really just want to get it running and moving so i can at least move it around the house when I need to. I can make it pretty later but, once it runs, I can move it to the side of the house and set up some shelter. It will make life a LOT easier for everyone involved...
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on October 16, 2007, 05:59:52 pm
Well, a bit of good news,
I brought my battery back to autozone. Dead as Elvis.
They give me a striaght up exchange at no charge.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: The Pirate on October 16, 2007, 06:01:37 pm
Well, a bit of good news,
I brought my battery back to autozone. Dead as Elvis.
They give me a striaght up exchange at no charge.


I don't post in here much, but I'm keeping abreast of things.  Be sure to post when you get it running.  It's going to be an exciting moment for sure.

And, have fun with it!  That's the reason you're doing it, after all.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on October 21, 2007, 01:42:04 pm
Well, I got a lot of work done this weekend.
We got the fuel pump to work and we discoverd shtat the coil works but the plugs are not sparking.
it is either a bad distrubitor cap, bad points, or a bad condensor.
I am gonna replace the points and condensor first as they are the cheapest.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on October 23, 2007, 10:39:00 am
Just a quick update... I sold a sunvisor which was in the backseat of the Caddy so, I am adding that $100.00 to my total.

Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover   $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster   $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
Shop Manual CD   $52.00    Now I actually KNOW what I am doing
Generator Belt     $8.99    
PB Blaster      $4.19    
Cheap Oil   $1.79    Good for soaking bolts in
Degreaser    $2.09    
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    Heater Hose clamps
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    Rad hose clamp set
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    
Upper Rad Hose   $14.09    
Lower rad hose   $15.99    
4 ft heater hose   $0.00    They forgot to charge me?
Starter rebuild   $122.18    so far, it is the prettiest part of the car.
Gasket maker   $7.99    Big sheet and I get to make gaskets myself
Water pump sealer   $2.49    Gasket sealer for the water pump
(SOLD) Sunvisor       ($100.00)   Sun visor in my back seat but, didn't fit my car.
      
      
Money Left   $4,661.73    
Money Spent   $338.27    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on October 23, 2007, 11:25:36 am
Well, I got a lot of work done this weekend.
We got the fuel pump to work and we discoverd shtat the coil works but the plugs are not sparking.
it is either a bad distrubitor cap, bad points, or a bad condensor.
I am gonna replace the points and condensor first as they are the cheapest.
I'm glad to hear that there's progress.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on October 30, 2007, 09:07:00 am
Just a bit more shopping. I will put the ignition partson this Saturday and hopefully fire that puppy up.

Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover   $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster   $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
Shop Manual CD   $52.00    Now I actually KNOW what I am doing
Generator Belt     $8.99    
PB Blaster      $4.19    
Cheap Oil   $1.79    Good for soaking bolts in
Degreaser    $2.09    
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    Heater Hose clamps
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    Rad hose clamp set
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    
Upper Rad Hose   $14.09    
Lower rad hose   $15.99    
4 ft heater hose   $0.00    They forgot to charge me?
Starter rebuild   $122.18    so far, it is the prettiest part of the car.
Gasket maker   $7.99    Big sheet and I get to make gaskets myself
Water pump sealer   $2.49    Gasket sealer for the water pump
(SOLD) Sunvisor   ($100.00)   Sun visor in my back seat but, didn't fit my car.
Rotor   $12.99    
Condensor   $8.99    
Distubutor Cap   $14.99    
Points           $5.99    
      
Money Spent   $381.23    
Money Left   $4,618.77    
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on October 31, 2007, 07:41:36 pm
What do you expect to work on after the engine gets going?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 01, 2007, 04:22:04 am
What do you expect to work on after the engine gets going?
Well, I still have to get the brakes working and I will take a look at the master cylander this weekend to see whats up.
Also, as soon as the engine actually fires, I fully expect it to blow a hole in the exhaust system so, it will be
1: Brakes
2: Exhaust
3: (if needed) transmission.
Once all of those are in order, I will start on the body work. The interior is in good shape so I am gonna leave that one alone.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on November 12, 2007, 11:04:02 am
Did you get it running yet?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 12, 2007, 11:20:50 am
Did you get it running yet?

Nope..
Replaced
Dist cap
Rotor
Points
Condensor

Still no spark at all. With the key on, I can get the points to spark so I know that the dist is in good shape. I can't tell if the points are sparking or not when the engine is turning. I will have to do it at night but, the points are opening and closing.
Also, I ordered a new coil and plug/coil wires.
I am gonna feel like a real ass if it was a bad coil wire this whole time....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on November 13, 2007, 08:11:36 am
Nope..
Replaced
Dist cap
Rotor
Points
Condensor

Still no spark at all. With the key on, I can get the points to spark so I know that the dist is in good shape. I can't tell if the points are sparking or not when the engine is turning. I will have to do it at night but, the points are opening and closing.
Also, I ordered a new coil and plug/coil wires.
I am gonna feel like a real ass if it was a bad coil wire this whole time....

Just start checking to make sure youare getting the proper voltages to the coil.  At least you have apparently narrowed it down to the coil and/or plug wires.

Is it getting gas?  Gotta' have three things to run; fuel, spark and compression.

Also, once you get spark be sure to check the timing.  Did you clean up the distributor?  Mechanical advance free and working? Does this think have vacuum advance as well? 
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 14, 2007, 08:28:13 am
Just start checking to make sure youare getting the proper voltages to the coil.  At least you have apparently narrowed it down to the coil and/or plug wires.

Is it getting gas?  Gotta' have three things to run; fuel, spark and compression.

Also, once you get spark be sure to check the timing.  Did you clean up the distributor?  Mechanical advance free and working? Does this think have vacuum advance as well? 
Well, I didn't check the timing as it was running when it was parked. Because if that, I have no reason to think that the timing became retarded.
I did clean out the dist when I had the rotor and the points out but, I simply used a rag. It didn't look that bad.
It is getting pleanty of fuel. I can the the pump pumping in the glass and the plugs are getting wet. I have the air cleaner off so air is not a problem either.
It does have a vacuum advance on it but to be honest, I have not the slighest idea how this works.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on November 14, 2007, 08:43:30 am
Well, I didn't check the timing as it was running when it was parked. Because if that, I have no reason to think that the timing became retarded.
I did clean out the dist when I had the rotor and the points out but, I simply used a rag. It didn't look that bad.
It is getting pleanty of fuel. I can the the pump pumping in the glass and the plugs are getting wet. I have the air cleaner off so air is not a problem either.
It does have a vacuum advance on it but to be honest, I have not the slighest idea how this works.
I wouldn't imagine the vacuum advance would prevent it from starting. However, once you get it going, you can, likely, tell if it's working okay when you rev up the engine and it sounds okay. 
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 14, 2007, 08:54:26 am
I wouldn't imagine the vacuum advance would prevent it from starting. However, once you get it going, you can, likely, tell if it's working okay when you rev up the engine and it sounds okay. 
Revving the engine would be a treat.
Hell, just getting a cough would be a welcome sound at this point.
Once I get it to idle, even a rough idle, I will be able (should be able) to make adjustments from there.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on November 14, 2007, 09:04:58 am
Revving the engine would be a treat.
Hell, just getting a cough would be a welcome sound at this point.
Once I get it to idle, even a rough idle, I will be able (should be able) to make adjustments from there.

You might want to buy a spray can (or two) of starter fluid.  If you have someone crank the ending while you spray the stuff down the carb and it fires then you know youhave a fuel problem. If it doesn't fire you probably have a spark problem

http://www.sprayproducts.com/starting-fluid.php

Any auto parts store is going to have some brand of the stuff.


I'm really looking forward to a post where you state "Its alive!!!"
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 14, 2007, 09:08:54 am
The problem is that the plugs are not sparking.
I actually held one in my fingers as a friend turned the car over. Nothing.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: CJ on November 14, 2007, 05:07:13 pm
Have you replaced the wires and plugs?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 15, 2007, 06:31:02 am
Have you replaced the wires and plugs?
No I have not.
The wires appear to be in good condition. I am not feeling any breaks and a visual is not showing any kind of rot or cracks.
I did replace one plug with a brand new one I had laying around and it still gets no spark.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on November 15, 2007, 08:20:58 am
The problem is that the plugs are not sparking.
I actually held one in my fingers as a friend turned the car over. Nothing.


Dumb question, but you did hold the spark plug against the block so it could ground out (and therefore spark), right?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypeJohn on November 15, 2007, 08:47:15 am

Dumb question, but you did hold the spark plug against the block so it could ground out (and therefore spark), right?

Good question.  I do know that holding on to a plug wire and touching the car will get your attention.  (ask me how I know)


I think you are just going to have to start checking each portion of the wiring.

Is the coil getting the voltage it should. 

if Yes, then is the coil good?  (coils are cheap, replace it)

If the coil is good are the coil and plug leads good?  (This is something that is difficult to tell by sight.  I'd replace them all, you will want to do that anyway, even if it ran.  30-40 year old plug wires are most likely junk.

Replace all the spark plugs.  You are going to do this anyway so do it now. 
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 15, 2007, 11:14:05 am
Good question.  I do know that holding on to a plug wire and touching the car will get your attention.  (ask me how I know)


I think you are just going to have to start checking each portion of the wiring.

Is the coil getting the voltage it should. 

if Yes, then is the coil good?  (coils are cheap, replace it)

If the coil is good are the coil and plug leads good?  (This is something that is difficult to tell by sight.  I'd replace them all, you will want to do that anyway, even if it ran.  30-40 year old plug wires are most likely junk.

Replace all the spark plugs.  You are going to do this anyway so do it now. 
Well, I did hold the plug to the block but saw and heard nothing.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 19, 2007, 06:53:18 am
OK.. I have replaced:
coil
dist cap
rotor
points (and I think I adjusted them correctly)
Condensor.

I am getting spark to the plugs. I am getting fuel to the plugs.

The car turns over strong. It starts to cough and spit and sometimes a little flame will backfire out of the carb.
She STILL won't start.
Suggestions?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on November 19, 2007, 09:21:03 am
OK.. I have replaced:
coil
dist cap
rotor
points (and I think I adjusted them correctly)
Condensor.

I am getting spark to the plugs. I am getting fuel to the plugs.

The car turns over strong. It starts to cough and spit and sometimes a little flame will backfire out of the carb.
She STILL won't start.
Suggestions?
Could be the plugs are just getting too wet.

Spark to the plugs is certainly a good sign.  However, to be sure you're spark is strong enough, it wouldn't hurt to put in new plugs as well as wires...the wire might be bleeding a lot of current.  I wouldn't imagine the timing would be out of wack so, if new plugs and wires don't get it going, maybe a carburettor rebuild would be the next consideration.

Good luck!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Morris Minor on November 19, 2007, 03:01:19 pm
Suggestions?
Check the timing
Check the plug leads are hooked up in the correct order.
I'd replace the plug leads if you haven't already

I don't knoiw the specifics of your car, but a quick Google search revealed this:
http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/491.cfm (http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/491.cfm)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 20, 2007, 02:08:56 pm
Money To Spend   $5,000.00    
      
Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
Bungee cords   $6.99    Gotta hold down the tarp
Oil pan gasket   $17.93    Gotta scrape the pan.. Yummy
13/16 deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
Brake Cleaner   $6.46    Evaporates quick and cut grease
Battery   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
Car Cover   $12.95    WalMart Special and keeps the wife happy
PB Blaster   $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
Shop Manual CD   $52.00    Now I actually KNOW what I am doing
Generator Belt     $8.99    
PB Blaster      $4.19    
Cheap Oil   $1.79    Good for soaking bolts in
Degreaser    $2.09    
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    Heater Hose clamps
1/3 Clamp   $2.49    
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    Rad hose clamp set
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    
Upper Rad Hose   $14.09    
Lower rad hose   $15.99    
4 ft heater hose   $0.00    They forgot to charge me?
Starter rebuild   $122.18    so far, it is the prettiest part of the car.
Gasket maker   $7.99    Big sheet and I get to make gaskets myself
Water pump sealer   $2.49    Gasket sealer for the water pump
(SOLD) Sunvisor   ($120.00)   Sun visor in my back seat but, didn't fit my car.
Rotor   $12.99    
Condensor   $8.99    
Distubutor Cap   $14.99    
Points   $5.99    
Coil   $12.95    
Feeler gauge   $6.50    To adjust the points
      
Money Spent   $380.68    
Money Left   $4,619.32    


Also, I am planning on using Laquer paint and a roller to paint the car in order to stay with my "how cheap can I get" theme.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 26, 2007, 08:18:18 am
OK...
Four days straight of screwing with this 331 and I am finished.
My mind is made up. I am going with a 472 swap.
The hood will come off within the next few weeks and the 331 will get yanked.
While it is out, I will acid wash the engine bay and spray it black with LOTS of clearcoat.  Basically, I will clean up as much as I can while I have the opportunity.
Also, the hood will get baking soda blasted.
The underside will get the heat paint treatment and the outside will get primer/sealer.
I have wasted too much time on this 331.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Big Dog on November 26, 2007, 11:52:57 am
OK...
Four days straight of screwing with this 331 and I am finished.
My mind is made up. I am going with a 472 swap.
The hood will come off within the next few weeks and the 331 will get yanked.
While it is out, I will acid wash the engine bay and spray it black with LOTS of clearcoat.  Basically, I will clean up as much as I can while I have the opportunity.
Also, the hood will get baking soda blasted.
The underside will get the heat paint treatment and the outside will get primer/sealer.
I have wasted too much time on this 331.

Before you do that if you haven't done so already, check the compression.  This is to verify you have no stuck valves.  While you are at it check and see if all 8 plugs are firing.  If they are not firing replace the plug wires and plugs.  The backfiring and wanting to start sounds a lot like timing.  You can check the timing with out the engine running.  Have someone turning the engine over with the ignition while you check the timing.

All of that should take a couple of hours at the most.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 26, 2007, 12:15:45 pm
Also remember that caddilacs have a different timing pattern than other engines, and 331s may be different still.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on November 26, 2007, 12:48:57 pm
Well, I was able to score a book on this car.
According to the book, my wires were all screwed up however, I was pretty frustrated at the time so it is possible that I screwed it up more.
According to what I found online, my pistons are as follows:

7 8
5 6
3 4
1 2
Firing Order: 18436572 (front to rear: Right bank 2-4-6-8, left bank 1-3-5-7)
So I took this to mean that, if standing at the front of the car, piston # 2 is at the front right.
Also, the book showed me the firing order of the cap so I ran the wires according to the book.
(sigh)
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Morris Minor on November 29, 2007, 06:22:56 pm
That's right, & agrees with the specs as detailed in the link in my previous post. If the thing was coughing, farting & spitting flames, it's a good sign that the plug leads were mixed up.

Keep whittling away!
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypejohn on December 05, 2007, 08:03:02 am
Any news?  Any positive progress?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on December 05, 2007, 09:04:36 am
The wife is going out of town this weekend so I will have a lot of time to mess with it.
I am giving the engine one last shot but, I am pretty sure that I am doing the swap in the next month or so.
We are putting in a smallblock in my brothers Glassic (Yes, my father AND my brother now have one) and once the garage is clear, we will tow my Caddy to the Garage and do the drop.
My plans are to unlock the rear brakes this week (so I can at least push the car around if needed) and yank the engine next week so I can prep and paint the engine compartment.
Once it goes to my fathers garage, my uncle is going to do the welding needed to get the 472 in place (not much welding is needed).
From there, it will be towed back to my house and I will need to order the new driveshaft to fit.
I also need to put in 6 volt stepdowns for my 6 volt gauges.
I am really hoping to make the billetproof show in March http://www.billetproof.com/upcoming_shows/florida/show.htm
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on December 10, 2007, 07:14:43 am
OK.. I got the brakes unlocked. The pass rear brake was actually rusted to the drum. That took a 6 pound sledge hammer to get that one loose but, at least I have the car rolling now.
My father finally convinced me to put in a smallblock. it will be cheaper and after putting the smallblock in my brothers car, it is actually pretty easy.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on December 10, 2007, 10:27:11 am
Small block? Aw jeez. At least make it a 383 instead of an everybody-and-their-brother 5.7L.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: JWC on December 10, 2007, 10:46:26 am
So, you're going to replace the engine?  And I had a solution for the water leak too.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on December 10, 2007, 01:41:44 pm
Small block? Aw jeez. At least make it a 383 instead of an everybody-and-their-brother 5.7L.
It might end up with a Pontiac 400 out of a GTO unless I can find a good, free LS1 with an automatic mated to it....
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: JWC on December 10, 2007, 05:39:53 pm
Well, if anyone ever has a coolant leak problem that seems too expensive to repair, there is a solution we use at work.  Of course, it is with the customer's approval.

Sodium silicate, AKA, liquid glass. Seals any coolant leak when properly done.  We have cars that are running around two years later with that crap in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_silicate
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: etypejohn on January 08, 2008, 07:09:26 am
Any progress in the last month?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Madman on January 08, 2008, 09:04:07 am
Well, if anyone ever has a coolant leak problem that seems too expensive to repair, there is a solution we use at work.  Of course, it is with the customer's approval.

Sodium silicate, AKA, liquid glass. Seals any coolant leak when properly done.  We have cars that are running around two years later with that crap in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_silicate

Just be careful with this stuff.  If you overuse it, it can clog your radiator.  It happened to me.

Cheers,
Madman of the People
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on January 08, 2008, 10:33:26 am
Hello guys..
Not much progress.
I yanked all the interior due to the fact that all of the door seals are gone and the seats were starting to get ruined.
With the carpet out, I cleaned and primed the floor.
We have been screwing with my brothers model A so I have not had a chance to yank the engine yet but hopefully in the next few weeks it will come out.
Once it is out, I will paint the engine bay.
Once the engine is back in, the car will get painted.
After paint, the interior goes back in.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on January 16, 2008, 10:49:15 am
Just a quick update.
I tried to get her started again but still no luck and now it appears that the fuel pump is not pumping at all (sigh).
Anyway, I am gonna hook up a 12V battery to it this weekend and see what happens...
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: FoMoJo on January 16, 2008, 11:27:02 am
Just a quick update.
I tried to get her started again but still no luck and now it appears that the fuel pump is not pumping at all (sigh).
Anyway, I am gonna hook up a 12V battery to it this weekend and see what happens...
Isn't that going to fry something if you up the voltage?  A couple of 6 volts in parallel would increase the amps but not the voltage.

btw...I glad that you're still working on it.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Byteme on January 16, 2008, 12:04:35 pm
Just a quick update.
I tried to get her started again but still no luck and now it appears that the fuel pump is not pumping at all (sigh).
Anyway, I am gonna hook up a 12V battery to it this weekend and see what happens...

I would be concerned about cooking gauges and wiring and the like. 
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: southdiver1 on January 16, 2008, 12:30:09 pm
My research has told me that the 12 volts will not do anything negetive to the ignition system.
I will need to disconnect my gauges beforehand in order to not toast them and, if the car actually starts under 12 volts, then I will need to look into replacing my starter with a 12 volt starter, getting a single wire altinator, replacing all bulbs and getting step down for my gauges and clock.
I want to see if she actually get running before dumping any more money into it first.


Isn't that going to fry something if you up the voltage?  A couple of 6 volts in parallel would increase the amps but not the voltage.

btw...I glad that you're still working on it.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: JWC on January 16, 2008, 05:37:49 pm
Just be careful with this stuff.  If you overuse it, it can clog your radiator.  It happened to me.

Cheers,
Madman of the People


I've (we) have used it six or seven time.  Follow the proper procedures and you shouldn't have a problem.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: carfreak on March 16, 2008, 03:03:51 am
Man, that's not horribly bad overall.  It'll look gorgeous when you're done though!

i would agree on that, I remember how my Caddy look before that Seville brake booster (http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/shop_parts/brake_booster/cadillac/seville.html/) broke off. I'll try to upload some photos of my 1995 Cadillac Seville as soon as possible.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Byteme on June 06, 2008, 09:41:17 am
Any progress to report?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: CJ on October 19, 2008, 02:48:11 pm
Any updates?
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on June 13, 2009, 09:55:58 pm
So southdiver and this project are dead, right? He hasn't been online in almost a year...
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 21, 2011, 08:09:27 pm
So southdiver and this project are dead, right? He hasn't been online in almost a year...

Maybe, but you never know which jackass is going to turn up next right of the blue and for no reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: MrH on June 21, 2011, 08:37:52 pm
Maybe, but you never know which jackass is going to turn up next right of the blue and for no reason whatsoever.

:clap:
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Secret Chimp on January 14, 2013, 07:38:26 pm
I'm pretty sure this is a dead thread.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Danish on April 09, 2013, 12:25:44 am
Maybe, but you never know which jackass is going to turn up next right of the blue and for no reason whatsoever.

Seriously.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 09, 2013, 01:03:22 am
Well, hello there.
Title: Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
Post by: 93JC on April 09, 2013, 10:51:57 am
Seriously.

 :golfclap: