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Title: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 05:59:31 am
This "barn find" recently sold at auction for $290,000.  Would you wash it?

(http://multimedia.detroitnews.com/pix/1b/5c/6e/cd/69/96/20140823171346_61astonmarten.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 26, 2014, 02:35:59 pm
An Aston? Yes; I'd restore it as correctly as could be done.

Something old and Anerican, or something like an old Land Rover; I'd be tempted to leave it looking a little rough.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 26, 2014, 04:06:34 pm
So what, this is a new chat thread where we can chat only about cars? I love the idea but I'd bet long odds about we getting a political post here within the first two pages. At most.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on August 26, 2014, 05:16:45 pm
 
So what, this is a new chat thread where we can chat only about cars? I love the idea but I'd bet long odds about we getting a political post here within the first two pages. At most.
:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 06:29:08 pm
An Aston? Yes; I'd restore it as correctly as could be done.

Something old and Anerican, or something like an old Land Rover; I'd be tempted to leave it looking a little rough.
I don't see the point of leaving all the dirt on it.  You could never take it out in the rain.  Apparently, there is grass growing in the engine compartment.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 06:33:44 pm
So what, this is a new chat thread where we can chat only about cars? I love the idea but I'd bet long odds about we getting a political post here within the first two pages. At most.
Some were grumbling about cars being mentioned in the Reincarnated Chat thread.  I thought a Car Chat thread might be in order. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 26, 2014, 06:39:41 pm
Might be buying new front and rear seats for my car on Thursday.  Pretty excited about the possibility.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 06:44:46 pm
Might be buying new front and rear seats for my car on Thursday.  Pretty excited about the possibility.
Same as OEM or something special?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 26, 2014, 06:53:12 pm
Might be buying new front and rear seats for my car on Thursday.  Pretty excited about the possibility.

Check out what this guy did with his Merc:

http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/how-to-make-a-used-mercedes-s-class-more-luxurious-than-1626571145/1626623484/+travis (http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/how-to-make-a-used-mercedes-s-class-more-luxurious-than-1626571145/1626623484/+travis)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 26, 2014, 06:57:58 pm
Same as OEM or something special?

WRX seats for my Outback.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 07:07:51 pm
Check out what this guy did with his Merc:

http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/how-to-make-a-used-mercedes-s-class-more-luxurious-than-1626571145/1626623484/+travis (http://carbuying.jalopnik.com/how-to-make-a-used-mercedes-s-class-more-luxurious-than-1626571145/1626623484/+travis)
Very ambitious project.  3 days?  It would take me 3 months!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 07:08:30 pm
WRX seats for my Outback.
What's the difference?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on August 26, 2014, 07:10:34 pm
I already have an outlet for my old American iron ramblings.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 26, 2014, 07:13:10 pm
WRX seats

(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2003-subaru-impreza-4-door-sedan-wrx-manual-front-seats_100287452_m.jpg)

Outback seats

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5584/14850319784_969a85a60c_z.jpg)


Almost no side bolstering in my current seats.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 26, 2014, 07:29:19 pm
WRX seats

(http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2003-subaru-impreza-4-door-sedan-wrx-manual-front-seats_100287452_m.jpg)

Outback seats

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5584/14850319784_969a85a60c_z.jpg)


Almost no side bolstering in my current seats.
I see.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 26, 2014, 07:32:43 pm
If I'm brave I can do custom door cards as well for under $40
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on August 26, 2014, 10:33:37 pm
Reupholster them with one of those hot wheels car rugs.
Title: Re: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 27, 2014, 04:23:19 am
Reupholster them with one of those hot wheels car rugs.
This guy knows the deal. Do it!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 27, 2014, 05:21:43 am
Reupholster them with one of those hot wheels car rugs.

Fuck, that is a good idea.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 27, 2014, 07:38:15 am
Fuck, that is a good idea.

:lol:  Wrap some miata door panels

(http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/MP/10/00/01/03/MP10000103625_P255045_500X500.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on August 27, 2014, 02:01:08 pm
Speaking of cars......

I hear the GOP wants to pass a law.......damn democrats, bill oreilly, washington talking points, think tanks, presidential cabinet etc

and go!!!!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on August 27, 2014, 02:13:59 pm
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/27/e75b987350434e6362fc6fd43a377f4e.jpg)

711 ci Chevy hemi. Those heads are huuuuuge.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 27, 2014, 02:23:30 pm

Almost no side bolstering in my current seats.

Impreza seats might be cheaper, and look the same bolstering. Can TOTALLY tell difference between my Legacy and wife's Impreza.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 27, 2014, 02:24:09 pm
Reupholster them with one of those hot wheels car rugs.

+1
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on August 27, 2014, 05:00:15 pm
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/27/1ca54de536ff65447a24b65f4c82719d.jpg)

I think a 240z or old 911 should be my next car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 27, 2014, 05:59:25 pm
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/27/e75b987350434e6362fc6fd43a377f4e.jpg)

711 ci Chevy hemi. Those heads are huuuuuge.
Huge intake ports.  What's it used in?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on August 27, 2014, 08:21:14 pm
I think it's going in an airboat.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on August 28, 2014, 06:47:43 am
:lol:  Wrap some miata door panels

(http://i.walmartimages.com/i/mp/MP/10/00/01/03/MP10000103625_P255045_500X500.jpg)

Isn't that shit super thick? If I'm bored enough one day I'll do it. :mask:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 28, 2014, 07:10:43 am
Isn't that shit super thick? If I'm bored enough one day I'll do it. :mask:

The carpets are, you can find the print at a fabric shop meant for bedsheets, curtains, t-shirts, whatever in a much thinner fabric.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 28, 2014, 08:20:22 am
Battle of the Three-bangers (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140828/AUTO03/308280030/0/auto01/Battle-Three-bangers-14-Ford-Fiesta-vs-95-Geo-Metro)

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 28, 2014, 08:24:12 am
California firm awaits orders to build $1M car (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140828/AUTO03/308280034/0/auto01/California-firm-awaits-orders-build-1M-car)

(http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20140828&Category=AUTO03&ArtNo=308280034&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&California-firm-awaits-orders-build-1M-car)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on September 04, 2014, 09:16:20 pm
I'd rather just buy a Ford GT. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on September 05, 2014, 07:29:39 am
I find it interesting that he has 6 Ford GT chassis sitting around.  Wonder how/where he got them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SVT666 on September 05, 2014, 09:59:33 am
Why do we need a Car Chat thread?  Isn't that what the other 12836 threads in the different categories are for?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on September 05, 2014, 11:08:34 am
California firm awaits orders to build $1M car (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140828/AUTO03/308280034/0/auto01/California-firm-awaits-orders-build-1M-car)

(http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20140828&Category=AUTO03&ArtNo=308280034&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&California-firm-awaits-orders-build-1M-car)

Looks like somebody melded a Ford GT with the Shelby GR-1 concept that they put out about 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 05, 2014, 11:37:42 am
Why do we need a Car Chat thread?  Isn't that what the other 12836 threads in the different categories are for?

This is for just random junk, instead of filling the off-topic chat thread up with car stuff..

I rolled 190,000 miles in the subie this week. :rockon:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 05, 2014, 03:36:49 pm
This is for just random junk, instead of filling the off-topic chat thread up with car stuff..

I rolled 190,000 miles in the subie this week. :rockon:
The 'Rolla has 250,000 and my work van just hit 235,000!!!!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 05, 2014, 03:38:57 pm
I just passed 75k a couple days ago  :(
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on September 05, 2014, 04:23:58 pm
Why do we need a Car Chat thread?  Isn't that what the other 12836 threads in the different categories are for?

I thought the rest were for politics and being ruined by Char and Cougs.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 05, 2014, 05:57:03 pm
I'll be stuck at 26k until I remember to order a new speedometer cable.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 06, 2014, 06:19:06 am
I'll be stuck at 26k until I remember to order a new speedometer cable.

:clap:  :clap:  :clap:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 06, 2014, 05:27:10 pm
Had a couple minutes before dinner last night, saw (and wanted) a Ford Flex Limited, silver with quadruple sunroof, fridge, dual DVD, leather, parking sensors, 109k miles.
$14,900 was the asking price...

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 06, 2014, 05:29:55 pm
Flex's are amazing
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 06, 2014, 06:11:59 pm
Flex's are amazing

I love how they look, they have all the other stuff I need, too- tow a smaller trailer, lots of room for the whole family..
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 10, 2014, 04:18:52 pm
Thinking about making these wheels my winter wheels:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/photo1_zpsba4ba6ff.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/280Z_Driver/media/photo1_zpsba4ba6ff.jpg.html)

And buying these for the summer:

(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu234/11Past9/47132DC5-F259-434A-8C7A-AD37A17A6DC2-3170-000002DAE1977B00.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on September 10, 2014, 05:57:06 pm
Hell yeah I love those wheels (the bottom, not the top)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 10, 2014, 06:00:06 pm
Thinking about making these wheels my winter wheels:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/280Z_Driver/photo1_zpsba4ba6ff.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/280Z_Driver/media/photo1_zpsba4ba6ff.jpg.html)

And buying these for the summer:

(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu234/11Past9/47132DC5-F259-434A-8C7A-AD37A17A6DC2-3170-000002DAE1977B00.jpg)


bottom= SWEET
top= okay for winter driving
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 10, 2014, 06:00:10 pm
17s?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 10, 2014, 06:02:52 pm
Yes. Any sidewall smaller than that would have diminishing gains.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 11, 2014, 10:36:14 am
bottom= SWEET
top= okay for winter driving

Top is my car

The bottom wheels are also an inch wider, I think.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 11, 2014, 12:15:50 pm
Top is my car


I know.
I can't hate on you though because I have crappy looking hubcaps. :lol:   :lol:    :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 12, 2014, 01:12:11 pm
Bought these this morning

(http://scontent-a-iad.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfa1/t51.2885-15/10693724_344078995762985_345754499_n.jpg)
(http://photos-c.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-xpa1/10539133_1465254013757138_771493100_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 13, 2014, 08:44:11 pm
Sweet rims
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 13, 2014, 08:51:27 pm
Holy flying fuck monkeys!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 13, 2014, 09:07:02 pm
All I saw was rims
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 13, 2014, 09:19:58 pm
Dammit Cale you ball too hard.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 13, 2014, 09:59:44 pm
Whoa
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on September 13, 2014, 11:55:08 pm
Indeed, holy shit
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 14, 2014, 09:06:13 am
Lol Nick is back?  Thanks guys.  Stole them for $700
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 14, 2014, 12:16:57 pm
Lol Nick is back?  Thanks guys.  Stole them for $700

:rockon:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 14, 2014, 01:18:32 pm
If Tirerack still has the $100 main in rebate next pay day I'll be getting some Pilot Super Sports.


The funny thing is my dad finally saw the stock wheels and tires that I put on my old car.  He said "yeah those things are fucking ugly.  I admire that you're going to put them back on your car and drive it like that."

:lol:   Haven't told him.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Xer0 on September 14, 2014, 06:22:11 pm
Winter is coming up, and I need to buy some floor mats.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 14, 2014, 06:39:22 pm
I really really want a Flex. I liked them when they came out, I have always had an unhealthy obsession with wagons.

But sat in one for sale last week (had a few minutes to kill so we looked at used cars next to the restaurant where we were meeting friends). And really really really want. Sigh.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on September 17, 2014, 09:35:06 pm
Today's milestone:

(https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10696426_10152317786477061_2779796763136007044_n.jpg?oh=a2e0cd250236a9e38a26c739fc81640f&oe=548E0DEE)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 18, 2014, 09:13:08 am
Averaged 32mpg my last tank. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 18, 2014, 10:04:04 am
The $1K Miata on the right.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10671222_792597597472594_6846535565960224733_n.jpg?oh=66961d5ba6c8eb22e9d2f8da6dac6448&oe=54C77C4E&__gda__=1422200566_7654cdffd57f4dbddae4ee8af115d69c)


Beside the broken steering and needing new brake pads the car drive great.  The 1.8 also feels much better than the 1.6 IMO.  What a steal, my friend got lucky finding that car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 18, 2014, 12:25:34 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/pxrJktf.jpg)

:wub:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 18, 2014, 12:41:30 pm
The $1K Miata on the right.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10671222_792597597472594_6846535565960224733_n.jpg?oh=66961d5ba6c8eb22e9d2f8da6dac6448&oe=54C77C4E&__gda__=1422200566_7654cdffd57f4dbddae4ee8af115d69c)


Beside the broken steering and needing new brake pads the car drive great.  The 1.8 also feels much better than the 1.6 IMO.  What a steal, my friend got lucky finding that car.

You had me at $1k miata with hardtop.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 18, 2014, 01:08:05 pm
The hardtop is worth that much.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 18, 2014, 04:35:45 pm
Has drilled and slotted rotos, flying miata subframe braces, flying miata cat back, and upgraded stereo.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2014, 08:31:22 am
The hardtop is worth that much.

I know!!!!!!   Amazing!

Has drilled and slotted rotos, flying miata subframe braces, flying miata cat back, and upgraded stereo.


sweet sweet sweet deal!!!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Laconian on September 19, 2014, 04:02:57 pm
Mine was worth $1300. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AltinD on September 21, 2014, 03:57:08 am
Some times back I heard the head of Cadillac talking about their new flagship full-size sedan in the works, saying that he was surprised of how great of the job Mercedes did with the S-class, and he didn't think they had it in them.  :wtf: :banghead:

WTF, if I was the GM CEO, i would had fired him right away   :pee:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 21, 2014, 09:34:29 pm
MVI 2008 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uud7rcwhI5U#noexternalembed-ws)

What a turrible track. Safety inspection is obvious non-existent and both drivers obviously shouldn't drive anything more powerful than a 4 cyl Accord.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Laconian on September 21, 2014, 09:37:25 pm
WTF
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: GoCougs on September 22, 2014, 12:06:47 am
A lot of those types of cars are complete hack job posers. I would not be surprised if those harness/seat belt anchors failed on impact.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 22, 2014, 12:11:48 am
Ehhh, just another Wednesday test and tune run gone wrong...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: mzziaz on September 22, 2014, 12:19:48 am
Love it when the fett comes out of the windshield.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on September 22, 2014, 05:06:44 am
He walked out of there like he was carrying a load.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 22, 2014, 10:32:12 am
nutty!   That dude in the other lane was all over the place
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 22, 2014, 10:35:50 am
Love it when the fett comes out of the windshield.

Fett?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on September 22, 2014, 12:55:38 pm
You didn't see Boba Fett?
Title: Sv: Re: Car Chat
Post by: mzziaz on September 22, 2014, 12:58:59 pm
Fett?

Scandinavian slang, man.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 22, 2014, 01:27:47 pm
You didn't see Boba Fett?

Looks like he got a different helmet.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on September 22, 2014, 01:33:05 pm
Easier to see out of.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 22, 2014, 03:45:55 pm
A lot of those types of cars are complete hack job posers. I would not be surprised if those harness/seat belt anchors failed on impact.

Tech guy at the Goodguys autocross has told stories of guys trying to run with the seat belts zip tied to floor.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 23, 2014, 07:05:56 am
Tech guy at the Goodguys autocross has told stories of guys trying to run with the seat belts zip tied to floor.

 :confused:  :confused:  :confused:  :confused:  :nutty:  :nutty:  :nutty:  :nutty:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 24, 2014, 10:15:48 am
Battery went on the E46. Didn't start last night after 3 weeks parked. Getting a new one delivered & installed later at lunch. Was due anyway, $170. Hope that's it for a while.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 24, 2014, 10:43:26 am
ouch!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 24, 2014, 11:14:20 am
ouch!

Yep. I will decide by the end of the year if I keep all 3 cars or sell one if it is too much of a headache.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 24, 2014, 06:23:33 pm
Changing the battery was a bit of a pain. After the new battery was installed the car started and drove ok but lots of things failes. No A/C, electronic locks, windows, turn signals, interior lights. But weirdly, the rear sunshade continued to work as did the seat controls, horn, cluster.

I started thinking shit could get expensive fast maybe I'd blown a control module or at the very least lots of fuses. Fortunately it all went away after simply unplugging the battery for 10 minutes and "rebooting" the car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 24, 2014, 06:28:16 pm
Gotta love modern electronics. Great "when" they work!!   :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 25, 2014, 03:48:15 pm
First gen Jeep Liberty CRD. Any good? These are well under $10K now. The MPG potential in a small 4x4 is appealing. The rest of it is meh...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on September 25, 2014, 08:41:27 pm
Is the CRD the diesel one?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 25, 2014, 08:56:31 pm
Is the CRD the diesel one?

Yes.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on September 25, 2014, 09:13:42 pm
Diesel ist gut, ja?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 26, 2014, 02:52:15 am
Diesel ist gut, ja?

Nein.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 26, 2014, 12:03:11 pm
Apparently that's supposed a real noisy POS.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AltinD on September 26, 2014, 12:24:51 pm
Changing the battery was a bit of a pain. After the new battery was installed the car started and drove ok but lots of things failes. No A/C, electronic locks, windows, turn signals, interior lights. But weirdly, the rear sunshade continued to work as did the seat controls, horn, cluster.

I started thinking shit could get expensive fast maybe I'd blown a control module or at the very least lots of fuses. Fortunately it all went away after simply unplugging the battery for 10 minutes and "rebooting" the car.

Allot of electric problems on modern cars, even seemingly serious ones like failing air suspension, are simply the battery is low problem.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 26, 2014, 01:26:01 pm
Allot of electric problems on modern cars, even seemingly serious ones like failing air suspension, are simply the battery is low problem.

I think preventive replacement of the battery is a must on modern cars precisely because of that. I replaced it preventively on the E90 for that reason and plan to keep doing that every 3 years to avoid this problems.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 26, 2014, 03:18:25 pm
My tires have shipped.  Now I just need to scrape some money together to have them mounted/balanced
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 26, 2014, 03:20:08 pm
My tires have shipped.  Now I just need to scrape some money together to have them mounted/balanced

Come to Brohio.  Do dat shit fo free.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 26, 2014, 03:23:05 pm
Come to Brohio.  Do dat shit fo free.

Lol my friend will do it for cheap.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 26, 2014, 06:40:34 pm
Best paint ever????

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/6-3-million-lamborghini-aventador-rolls-paris-190048648.html

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 26, 2014, 10:16:36 pm
ALL the car commercials on late night have "lane assist" this or "accident avoidance stopping" that........
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 26, 2014, 10:51:59 pm
Best paint ever????

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/6-3-million-lamborghini-aventador-rolls-paris-190048648.html



I'm betting its a vinyl wrap that some dude has convinced the owner is some special metallic film that is made by a secret process.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 26, 2014, 10:53:20 pm
My tires have shipped.  Now I just need to scrape some money together to have them mounted/balanced

After buying rims and tires, how is it that you have to scrape money to get them mounted?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 27, 2014, 12:17:13 pm
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/27/fed53c77d8913e479e07388970a4e8bb.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AltinD on September 27, 2014, 12:53:31 pm
I'm betting its a vinyl wrap that some dude has convinced the owner is some special metallic film that is made by a secret process.

No, the intern who wrote that article and the editor who let it through are a total idiots
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 27, 2014, 01:36:44 pm
After buying rims and tires, how is it that you have to scrape money to get them mounted?

Rims were $750, Tires were $520, I just paid my security deposit... that's how.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on September 27, 2014, 01:39:35 pm
Something something if you can't afford something something without still having a million bucks something something, then you're irresponsible something what's wrong with 'Murrica something something something.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 27, 2014, 02:14:30 pm
Something something if you can't afford something something without still having a million bucks something something, then you're irresponsible something what's wrong with 'Murrica something something something.

Yeah, Cale  totally should have put all that money in his 401k and into offshore investment accounts instead. What a n00b.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 27, 2014, 02:16:45 pm
Yup I dun goofed :facepalm:


(http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Brian-Hobaugh-Pro-Touring-Camaro-Rod-Chong-Speedhunters-1017-1200x800.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 27, 2014, 02:19:26 pm
That car has a hilarious rear spoiler. Basically a clear plexiglass piece bolted on. His other car (red C2 Vette) has one too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 27, 2014, 02:23:15 pm
That car has a hilarious rear spoiler. Basically a clear plexiglass piece bolted on. His other car (red C2 Vette) has one too.

They look so good.  There's a sick 3rd gen out there with one as well.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 27, 2014, 07:41:10 pm
(http://speednik.com/files/2012/09/Caddy-3.jpg)
(http://stancewords.stanceworks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cadillac-coupe-de-ville.jpg)
(http://deviouscustoms.com/resources/414994_383059825062704_1158160395_o.jpg)
(http://paymeortrademe.com/PHOTOS/0013600/640x480/0013670C.JPG)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5335/9242315016_9b3cecba3c.jpg)
(http://olskoolrodz.com/images/gallery/photo_31011.jpg)
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/73/55/d0/7355d07cd7e2b7f4a4b9caae8ae22d66.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 28, 2014, 04:26:46 am
Rims were $750, Tires were $520, I just paid my security deposit... that's how.

Which is how I wonder it's a problem to get $40 to get them mounted.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on September 28, 2014, 11:12:15 am
Cost me $80 plus tax.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2014, 11:17:27 am
In getting them mounted and balanced plus an alignment for $100.  Gonna change my oil when I'm there too
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 28, 2014, 11:26:55 am
The cost of mounting and balancing wheels, which is mostly labor, has nearly doubled in the past ten years. Yet, tire changers still only make minimum wage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 28, 2014, 11:28:19 am
The cost of mounting and balancing wheels, which is mostly labor, has nearly doubled in the past ten years. Yet, tire changers still only make minimum wage.

Thanks Obama!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 28, 2014, 11:36:55 am
Thanks Obama!

I will not comply. Tire mounting and balancing is one of the few services I will pay for, and it pisses me off every time. I may have my own tire machine someday
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on September 28, 2014, 12:09:51 pm
This car sold at Barrett-Jackson Vegas last week for $36,300.  If I was there, I'd be sorely tempted to bid on it.

Quote
Extremely rare #3 of 10 Millennium Edition Mulliner wide body car built. LeMans vents, Flying B hood ornament, Mulliner push-button start, wood steering wheel and shift handle, Parktronic, Mulliner exhaust, matching golf umbrellas, Connolly leather interior in natural tan and magnolia piping, 5-spoke 18" wheels exclusive to the wide body, massive 6.8 Liter turbo V8 factory rated at 420hp and 588 ft/ lbs of torque, medium Birdseye Maple wood and premium sound system. Commemorative plaque shows #3 of 10 Millennium Edition is mounted in both driver and passenger door jambs.

(http://barrettjackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/177004/177004_Side_Profile_Web.jpg)
(http://barrettjackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/177004/177004_Interior_Web.jpg)
(http://barrettjackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/177004/177004_Engine_Web.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on September 28, 2014, 12:54:39 pm
Sure beats a Camcord.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Laconian on September 28, 2014, 01:55:44 pm
6.8L AND a turbo, only 440hp? Junk
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2014, 01:58:55 pm
6.8L AND a turbo, only 440hp? Junk

And something like a 4700rpm redline
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 28, 2014, 02:10:57 pm
6.8L AND a turbo, only 440hp? Junk

Dat torque doe.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2014, 04:50:54 pm
Why are aftermarket head units so ugly?  Save for high end brands like Mcinstosh or Denon
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 28, 2014, 05:51:51 pm
It seems I finally solved a gremlin on the M5. It would ocassionally show DSC and electronic start assistant errors during a drive. They would stay on and annoy the hell out of me until I restarted the car. With a restart sometimes they'd go away.

I thought it was the steering angle sensor and had it cleaned and the errors reset in the computer. After a week or so the errors came back. After more research in BMW forums I found that alignment may cause this. So I took it in and sure, the alignment was very out of whack. Been driving it a bit now and so far so good.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 28, 2014, 05:57:53 pm
It seems I finally solved a gremlin on the M5. It would ocassionally show DSC and electronic start assistant errors during a drive. They would stay on and annoy the hell out of me until I restarted the car. With a restart sometimes they'd go away.

I thought it was the steering angle sensor and had it cleaned and the errors reset in the computer. After a week or so the errors came back. After more research in BMW forums I found that alignment may cause this. So I took it in and sure, the alignment was very out of whack. Been driving it a bit now and so far so good.

Is that designed to do that? If so that's pretty neat that the car will tell you that it's out of alignment.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 28, 2014, 06:01:16 pm
that's sweet!

And really they should put in an "alignment light", the sensors are doing what they are supposed to do!...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 28, 2014, 06:25:15 pm
Is that designed to do that? If so that's pretty neat that the car will tell you that it's out of alignment.


that's sweet!

And really they should put in an "alignment light", the sensors are doing what they are supposed to do!...

From what I researched for this to happen your alignment needs to be VERY out of whack. The computer uses info from the steering wheel position sensor and the individual wheel speed sensors (along with some other stuff) for the stability system. If it doesn't like what it sees it will throw a "steering angle sensor value plausibility" error. There is an internal counter that increases every time the computer sees this weird values and lowers by one after each drive with no errors. If the counter goes above 40 the computer will disable the stability and start assist systems and show an error to the driver.

This counter going up and down and my alignment being just beyond the threshold of this problem explains my errors coming and going away.

When I got the car I knew it had hit a curb just before. I did fix the wheel and "took a look" at the suspension and thought everything was ok because it drove ok, with an ever so slight pull to the left - which I didn't really notice until AFTER I had read that might be the cause. It was stupid of me to not have it aligned knowing it had had a hit.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 28, 2014, 06:33:07 pm
Why are aftermarket head units so ugly?  Save for high end brands like Mcinstosh or Denon

They're going after poor people. New cars don't need decks and can't really accept them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2014, 06:41:00 pm
They're going after poor people. New cars don't need decks and can't really accept them.

Mine is a 1999.  I am poor.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2014, 06:42:58 pm
If I can still buy this one when I'm ready I think I will.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_291350IBTR/Nakamichi-NA350iBTR.html?tp=5684 (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_291350IBTR/Nakamichi-NA350iBTR.html?tp=5684)

(http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/ImageHandler/fixedscale/400/300/products/2014/29/291/x291350iBTR-F.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 28, 2014, 06:50:22 pm
Poor people have poor taste, so there is your answer. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2014, 06:53:07 pm
If the Mcintosh that was available in Subarus wasn't so unreliable I'd look for one.

(http://i904.photobucket.com/albums/ac243/LazyCrazy83/DSCN5087.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on September 28, 2014, 08:35:45 pm
Man up and get a becker.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on September 28, 2014, 08:37:57 pm
Becker = Ted Danson?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on September 28, 2014, 10:04:59 pm
I liked that show.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on September 30, 2014, 09:35:59 pm
I liked that show.

First couple of seasons were pretty good. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 30, 2014, 09:39:24 pm
Poor people have poor taste, so there is your answer. :lol:

Well, OK, sure:

But also, the headunits that have mutli-color options for their displays are always displayed in the most obnoxious, flashy colors that are available. Catches your eye, I suppose, but makes em look tackier.

The head unit I bought for the wagon is one such: Yes, its a mid-priced unit, and yes, its fairly awful looking: but it looks a lot more presentable with the display colors toned down and matched to the instrument panel lights than it does in full ghetto fabulous mode.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on October 04, 2014, 06:37:13 am
Had my first rental car experience this week -- two days in a moderately dinged up 2013 Kia Rio with moderately shitty tires. I was surprised by how smoothly it went after seeing so many travel horror stories any time I looked up reviews of an agency. No line, and fairly reasonable prices for an airport location ($60/day including fees). I was kind of surprised that they'd rent out a car without cruise control, though.

(http://i.imgur.com/KxFhagD.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 04, 2014, 06:44:20 am
What a piece. How was the electric steering. Did the direct injection inject enough power to make it not ridiculously slow?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on October 04, 2014, 11:13:52 am
What a piece. How was the electric steering. Did the direct injection inject enough power to make it not ridiculously slow?

The steering wasn't great but it was less objectionable than in some Rios I've driven. I wasn't pushing it much because the tires seemed pretty bad, though. Power was okay except when I needed to merge onto a highway from a dead stop. Overall one of the better subcompacts.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2014, 05:14:01 am
I don't know what question this answers, or what that thing on the roof is

(http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Chevrolet/Chevrolet-Spark-Enemy-To-Fashion-4.jpg)


but I think it justifies considering a Spark for my next vehicle.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 05, 2014, 06:19:50 am
Looks like speakers to me.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 05, 2014, 06:24:31 am
Looks like speakers to me.

Obviously some sort of sub-sonic zombie destroying speakers.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on October 06, 2014, 05:50:28 am
I'm impressed...

Mexico sets new record for largest parade of classic cars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT_twH6Tni8#ws)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on October 06, 2014, 07:21:40 am
I'm impressed...

I didn't attend but several friends from the club were there. When you have 20 mill people you can do these kinds of records.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on October 06, 2014, 11:24:44 am
1700 cars?

That's like 1/4 of the larger car shows in the US.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on October 06, 2014, 11:28:45 am
1700 cars?

That's like 1/4 of the larger car shows in the US.

It's an organized parade.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on October 06, 2014, 11:30:19 am
Hot Rod could break the record easily if they just set up some decorations on the main street of one of the small towns they drive through on the Power Tour.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 07, 2014, 12:08:03 pm
http://jalopnik.com/the-zero-fucks-given-rx7-is-better-than-any-car-you-ll--143407124 (http://jalopnik.com/the-zero-fucks-given-rx7-is-better-than-any-car-you-ll--143407124)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on October 07, 2014, 11:17:16 pm
In many colder part of north America, work places, and shopping centers have electric plugs at many parking spots, are people now using those to plug in electric vehicles, and hybrids?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: GoCougs on October 08, 2014, 09:53:55 am
In many colder part of north America, work places, and shopping centers have electric plugs at many parking spots, are people now using those to plug in electric vehicles, and hybrids?


I virtually never see them used. They even had them at one of the ski resorts I go to a lot. Makes me lol because of course these are the choice parking spots too - it's funny how society will forever find a way to segregate itself.

US Hybrid/electric market share has fallen in 2014, and gas is on its way to under $3/gallon, and IC-only cars are making mpg strides with each new model whereas hybrids/electrics are pretty much tapped (save of course of just using more batteries).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on October 08, 2014, 12:49:11 pm
I did not mean plugs specifically installed for electric vehicles, but those that have existed for decades to warm up the car in winter.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 08, 2014, 01:07:16 pm
Never seen them in my life.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on October 08, 2014, 03:34:28 pm
Never seen them in my life.
Don't have them here but quite common out on the prairies.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 08, 2014, 03:42:17 pm
I did not mean plugs specifically installed for electric vehicles, but those that have existed for decades to warm up the car in winter.

Just for block heaters; they don't warm the car as much as keep the diesel from freezing to jelly.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on October 08, 2014, 05:04:40 pm
Just for block heaters; they don't warm the car as much as keep the diesel from freezing to jelly.

So they do not deliver enough Amps for Tesla, not even a trickle charge?



In other news, what has Mercedes's marketing department been smoking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIfjxNHEPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIfjxNHEPw)

 :confused: That is cringe worthy.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on October 08, 2014, 05:40:42 pm
So they do not deliver enough Amps for Tesla, not even a trickle charge?


While you can charge an electric car by plugging into a normal household-style outlet, you'll only get significant charge out of it if you're sitting there all day.

Quote

In other news, what has Mercedes's marketing department been smoking?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIfjxNHEPw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTIfjxNHEPw)

 :confused: That is cringe worthy.



Haha, I thought it was pretty clever. I wasn't sure where they were going at first, just "here are two very different vehicles made by Mercedes."
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 08, 2014, 08:01:30 pm
http://jalopnik.com/the-zero-fucks-given-rx7-is-better-than-any-car-you-ll--143407124 (http://jalopnik.com/the-zero-fucks-given-rx7-is-better-than-any-car-you-ll--143407124)

That is what I am talking about! It may or may not be a piece of shit, but it definitely is whatever the owner wanted it to be.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2014, 01:24:52 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/210awyg.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 13, 2014, 02:48:28 pm
So cool

(http://www.angelfire.com/de2/cyberdj143/x90/modification/lowered.gif)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Northlands on October 18, 2014, 06:52:35 pm
In many colder part of north America, work places, and shopping centers have electric plugs at many parking spots, are people now using those to plug in electric vehicles, and hybrids?


Not that I've seen. It's mainly for people using block heaters. They cycle the power on and off every 10 to 15 minutes between rows of plugs. Unless it's super cold outside, they'll cycle the power on for slightly longer periods. At office buildings they turn them on an hour before lunch and before quitting time.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on October 22, 2014, 09:35:27 am

Quote
NHTSA expands air bag alert to 7.8M vehicles

Washington — The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said late Tuesday it was expanding its alert of faulty air bags that could explode or expel shrapnel to 7.8 million vehicles from 10 major automakers.

NHTSA said it was adding Ford Motor Co.; Chrysler Group LLC; Mitsubishi Motor Co.; and Subaru, a unit of Fuji Heavy Industries, to the recall.

On Monday, NHTSA took the unusual step of urging owners of 4.7 million vehicles at six major automakers to act immediately as Toyota Motor Corp. announced it was recalling 247,000 vehicles in humid areas and warned that drivers shouldn't use the vehicles until they were serviced by a dealer.

Worldwide, 11 automakers have recalled more than 16 million vehicles for defective air bags made by Japanese supplier Takata Corp. The new, urgent warning covers vehicles recalled over the last 18 months. At least two deaths have been linked to faulty Honda air bags and two others are under investigation, including the Oct. 2 death of a 51-year-old Florida driver.

...............

BMW: 627,615 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2000 – 2005 3 Series Sedan

2000 – 2006 3 Series Coupe

2000 – 2005 3 Series Sports Wagon

2000 – 2006 3 Series Convertible

2001 – 2006 M3 Coupe

2001 – 2006 M3 Convertible

Chrysler: 371,309 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2003 – 2008 Dodge Ram 1500

2005 – 2008 Dodge Ram 2500

2006 – 2008 Dodge Ram 3500

2006 – 2008 Dodge Ram 4500

2008 – Dodge Ram 5500

2005 – 2008 Dodge Durango

2005 – 2008 Dodge Dakota

2005 – 2008 Chrysler 300

2007 – 2008 Chrysler Aspen

Ford: 58,669 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2004 – Ranger

2005 – 2006 GT

2005 – 2007 Mustang

General Motors: undetermined total number of potentially affected vehicles

2003 – 2005 Pontiac Vibe

2005 – Saab 9-2X

Honda: 5,051,364 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2001 – 2007 Honda Accord

2001 – 2005 Honda Civic

2002 – 2006 Honda CR-V

2003 – 2011 Honda Element

2002 – 2004 Honda Odyssey

2003 – 2007 Honda Pilot

2006 – Honda Ridgeline

2003 – 2006 Acura MDX

2002 – 2003 Acura TL/CL

2005 – Acura RL

Mazda: 64,872 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2003 – 2007 Mazda6

2006 – 2007 MazdaSpeed6

2004 – 2008 Mazda RX-8

2004 – 2005 MPV

2004 – B-Series Truck

Mitsubishi: 11,985 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2004 – 2005 Lancer

2006 – 2007 Raider

Nissan: 694,626 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2001 – 2003 Nissan Maxima

2001 – 2004 Nissan Pathfinder

2002 – 2004 Nissan Sentra

2001 – 2004 Infiniti I30/I35

2002 – 2003 Infiniti QX4

2003 – 2005 Infiniti FX35/FX45

Subaru: 17,516 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2003 – 2005 Baja

2003 – 2005 Legacy

2003 – 2005 Outback

2003 – 2005 Baja

2004 – 2005 Impreza

Toyota: 877,000 total number of potentially affected vehicles

2002 – 2005 Lexus SC

2002 – 2005 Toyota Corolla

2003 – 2005 Toyota Corolla Matrix

2002 – 2005 Toyota Sequoia

2003 – 2005 Toyota Tundra


read more...http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2014/10/21/nhtsa-expands-air-bag-alert-million-vehicles/17696793/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2014/10/21/nhtsa-expands-air-bag-alert-million-vehicles/17696793/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 28, 2014, 01:55:24 pm
(http://www.engineswapdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/1970_oldsmobile_vista_cruiser_w_supercharged_ls3_01.jpg)
(http://powertour.mothers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014_Tour_Day00__054.jpg)
(http://detroit5thgen.com/file/pic/photo/2014/04/8468305fe5c2dc89a4b2490ae4da1eaa_1024.jpg)
(http://powertour.mothers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/2014_Tour_Day5__167-951x634.jpg)
(http://www.lingenfelter.com/images/Isaac/Wallpapers/Wallpaper_Wednesday_Oldsmobile_442_Vistacruiser_Lingenfelter_LS3.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on October 28, 2014, 02:57:33 pm
Wow very cool. I dig pre-Malaise era Vista Cruisers
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on October 28, 2014, 03:12:05 pm
(http://www.lingenfelter.com/images/Isaac/Wallpapers/Wallpaper_Wednesday_Oldsmobile_442_Vistacruiser_Lingenfelter_LS3.jpg)
That's really pretty nice.  Always had a thing for Olds 442s.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on November 01, 2014, 08:22:21 pm
Friend of mine saw this in Moscow:

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10440184_10152473631783543_6490122560797872834_n.jpg?oh=37c39de9f9189b3461b9f5582a1c645d&oe=54E2CB48)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 02, 2014, 02:20:41 pm
Friend of mine saw this in Moscow:

(https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10440184_10152473631783543_6490122560797872834_n.jpg?oh=37c39de9f9189b3461b9f5582a1c645d&oe=54E2CB48)

awesome. Take something built 200yrs ago (and optimized for a traveling windspeed of like 10mph) and put it on today's technology.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on November 02, 2014, 04:14:17 pm
I bet the valve clatter even sounds like galloping horses.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on November 05, 2014, 09:35:17 pm
Ken Block is gonna gymkhana an AWD Mustang.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/ken-blocks-gymkhana-seven-mustang/ (http://www.hotrod.com/news/ken-blocks-gymkhana-seven-mustang/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 05, 2014, 09:36:24 pm
Too bad it doesn't even sounds good.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on November 05, 2014, 09:51:35 pm
How does a Nascar V8 not sound good?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 05, 2014, 09:54:23 pm
It only has NASCAR heads.  It sounds like a super muffled 458 IMO.  Totally lame.

NASCAR engine would have been better.  358ci and 950hp+
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on November 05, 2014, 10:00:00 pm
I think a Nascar style FFR Hot Rod would be sick. I need a garage/shop/warehouse.

Paint it orange with black accents. Black Nascar style wheels. All aluminum de-stroked V8. Large mustache, sunglasses, cutoff jean shorts and muscle shirt, and Budweiser in your hand at all times.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on November 05, 2014, 10:11:01 pm
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/05/0d89d2a3d8cf7123253b8200cc2e61a2.jpg)

LOL

I gotta stop getting on Instagram until I get to SEMA. Gonna see all the cars before I even get there.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 06, 2014, 01:53:35 pm
SEMA looks so good this year compared to the last few.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 10, 2014, 06:07:50 am
SEMA looks so good this year compared to the last few.

Really? Bunch of useless shit at SEMA. Last time I went, the best thing about the show was the press room.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on November 10, 2014, 11:41:47 am
Gotta stick to the major companies at SEMA. Most of the smaller ones are just selling garbage. Of course I just went to look at cars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 14, 2014, 08:25:12 am
http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/14/7216219/khyzyl-saleem-futuristic-car-art (http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/14/7216219/khyzyl-saleem-futuristic-car-art)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on November 15, 2014, 07:23:22 pm
Found this while refilling my windshield washer fluid. I am pleased to not see anything in the nest that looks like wires or upholstery:

(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10173679_10152437862837061_8318772823485450405_n.jpg?oh=f9eefb18c31d459be64cbf5df2247b93&oe=54E256F7)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on November 15, 2014, 08:31:03 pm
I went out with my dad to do some dealership sightseeing. I enjoy doing this with him every now and then since we both love cars.

No plans of buying anything, just a good time out with my old man.

Today we went to look at all these:

- Acura TSX

I liked it. I think it's good value for the money if what you're looking for is an overall great car, even if it's not really an enthusiast's ride. It is priced very well. I found it slightly small inside now that I'm used to the 5er. I like the looks and the interior quality is very good. Also has a lot of gadgets standard that if you option up in a BMW cost you an arm and a leg.

- Clio RS

Renault is finally selling here the european Clio RS again. It has sure grown a lot since my dad had one about 10 years ago or so. It is almost as big as the Megane was back then. It was locked which I found lame. It's not as if it is an exotic. It costs a bit below 30K here. I liked the looks but didn't love it. Still, it is good that we get this car.

- Mazda 6, new Camry, Hyundai Sonata

The Sonata and Camry are new (the Sonata just went on sale here). The cars matched my previous prejudices about them 6 > Camry > Sonata. Only one of the three I could imagine getting is the 6. It has better finish & design both in & out. A bit lame it's only available with the 4 cylinder. Only real contender would be the Accord IMO.

- New Mustang 5.0L GT Manual

Fuck we loved this car and were all over it. I hope I can gift a 'Stang to dad sometime in the not so far off future. Maybe my sister and I can pull it off 50/50 for his birthday in December 2015. I frankly loved the new Mustang. What a great car. We started the engine. The sound of a good american V8 is great. The interior is reasonably good now. The shifter felt great (didn't drive it). I feel this is one of the last great analog cars. Dad would be very happy even with a V6 though. The EcoBoost is not available here for some reason.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on November 16, 2014, 06:26:54 am
I went out with my dad to do some dealership sightseeing. I enjoy doing this with him every now and then since we both love cars.

No plans of buying anything, just a good time out with my old man.

Today we went to look at all these:

- Acura TSX

I liked it. I think it's good value for the money if what you're looking for is an overall great car, even if it's not really an enthusiast's ride. It is priced very well. I found it slightly small inside now that I'm used to the 5er. I like the looks and the interior quality is very good. Also has a lot of gadgets standard that if you option up in a BMW cost you an arm and a leg.

- Clio RS

Renault is finally selling here the european Clio RS again. It has sure grown a lot since my dad had one about 10 years ago or so. It is almost as big as the Megane was back then. It was locked which I found lame. It's not as if it is an exotic. It costs a bit below 30K here. I liked the looks but didn't love it. Still, it is good that we get this car.

- Mazda 6, new Camry, Hyundai Sonata

The Sonata and Camry are new (the Sonata just went on sale here). The cars matched my previous prejudices about them 6 > Camry > Sonata. Only one of the three I could imagine getting is the 6. It has better finish & design both in & out. A bit lame it's only available with the 4 cylinder. Only real contender would be the Accord IMO.

- New Mustang 5.0L GT Manual

Fuck we loved this car and were all over it. I hope I can gift a 'Stang to dad sometime in the not so far off future. Maybe my sister and I can pull it off 50/50 for his birthday in December 2015. I frankly loved the new Mustang. What a great car. We started the engine. The sound of a good american V8 is great. The interior is reasonably good now. The shifter felt great (didn't drive it). I feel this is one of the last great analog cars. Dad would be very happy even with a V6 though. The EcoBoost is not available here for some reason.
If your dad is old school, and your plan works out, get him the GT.  V6 would be okay but the V8 would be great.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on November 16, 2014, 07:43:16 am
If your dad is old school, and your plan works out, get him the GT.  V6 would be okay but the V8 would be great.

Yeah, I think a used V8 might be better than a new V6.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on November 16, 2014, 01:57:47 pm
Fun fact, 2013 Camaro ZL1 had the new 2013 taillights but the older style front end design. Apparently for more cooling.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on November 16, 2014, 06:13:10 pm
I can't wait for the day I can buy my pops a cool car
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on November 17, 2014, 05:42:49 am
Found this while refilling my windshield washer fluid. I am pleased to not see anything in the nest that looks like wires or upholstery:

(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10173679_10152437862837061_8318772823485450405_n.jpg?oh=f9eefb18c31d459be64cbf5df2247b93&oe=54E256F7)
When was the last time you looked under the hood?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on November 17, 2014, 10:11:40 pm
When was the last time you looked under the hood?

It had been a couple of months; nothing since the last oil change.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on November 29, 2014, 08:21:03 am
Good article...

Quote
The 2015 Ford Mustang and Ford F-150 are two of my favorite new vehicles. They are as different as chocolate and steak. Sport and utility. Knife and fork.

It's nice having both tools in your drawer as I discovered last week.

The last time I drove the Mustang was in September over sunny Los Angeles' serpentine Route 2. It's a road that, if pulled into a straight line, would reach to Kalamazoo. I revved, tossed, and generally rung the neck of this newly-nimble stallion through turns that would have tamed the last generation, solid-rear axle pony. The Porsche 911 I chased is probably still trying to hammer out the pony teeth marks in his rear bumper.

more...http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/henry-payne/2014/11/28/ford-mustang-garage-makes-wicked-season-tag-team/19647461/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/columnists/henry-payne/2014/11/28/ford-mustang-garage-makes-wicked-season-tag-team/19647461/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on December 04, 2014, 01:59:12 pm
I cannot imagine what it would be like in the cockpit traveling that fast.  Wish him well.

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Faster than a speeding bullet? Meet the world's first 1000mph car

What has a jet engine, a rocket booster and travels on a set of aluminum wheels? It's the Bloodhound SuperSonic Car (SSC) and it has plans to hit the world land speed record at 1000mph.

Made of titanium, carbon fiber and, like superman, is designed to go faster than a speeding bullet, the Bloodhound SSC has been painstakingly put together and tested over the better part of six years.

In 2016, the UK-based team plan to take the 42-foot (8.9m) vehicle to Hakskeen Pan, a dry lake bed in South Africa, for a crack at the record breaking attempt.

Former fighter jet pilot Royal Air Force (RAF) Wing Commander Andy Green said even designing a car that can hold together at these blistering speeds has been a triumph of the engineer's art.
"No rubber," he told CNN from The Bloodhound Project headquarters in Bristol, UK. "Beyond about 450mph it's really, really hard to keep a tire on - they just get flung off. So we have solid aluminum.

"We've been through a huge evolution of finding something that's tough enough that would do the job. Basically this car goes faster than a speeding bullet, so anything that hits this is like being shot at from a gun."

The former jet ace, who has flown combat missions over Iraq, Bosnia and Afghanistan, can lay claim to be the only man to have broken the sound barrier in the air and on land. In 1997, he hit 763mph or Mach 1 in the vehicle ThrustSSC to become the first man to break the sound barrier on land.

The Bloodhound Project takes the land speed record a step further in a car that is part jet fighter, part Formula 1 racer and part space rocket.

"A thousand miles an hour at ground level is faster than any jet fighter has ever traveled in history, so there are going to be some major challenges," Green said.

Besides three engines delivering 135,000 horsepower, the Bloodhound is equipped with rocket boosters to deliver the thrust necessary to get it to 1000mph.

"(The jet engines) on their own will take us to 600mph or thereabouts, but to get a land speed record, at about 350 miles an hour we turn on a rocket engine to take us all the way through to a 1000mph," said lead designer Mark Chapman. "The rocket is the key -- that's the difference between 750mph and 1000mph."

The Bloodhound team scoured the globe to find a desert run that could accommodate a vehicle which, at 1000mph, is likely to run out of road in a matter of seconds. The requirements were a perfectly flat landscape, at least 12 miles long and two miles wide.

They eventually selected Hakskeen Pan, in Northern Cape, South Africa where Bloodhound SSC will cover a mile in 3.6 seconds -- equivalent to 4.5 football pitches laid end to end every second.

Having already set the land speed record, Green is in a good place to describe what it is like in the cockpit of the world's fastest cars. Even so, the new challenges presented by Bloodhound SSC sometimes leave him lost for words.

"The best single description I've ever heard was from the late, great Art Arfons who set three world records in the 1960s and got up to almost 600mph.
"Somebody asked him one day what it was like and he said: 'What is it like to drive a land-speed (record)? To drive a jet car to do 600 miles an hour over the ground?

"And he said: 'It's a bit like the taste of chocolate. If you've never had a bar of chocolate I am really going to struggle to explain what it is like'."

Ultimately, he said, the cockpit is place of tremendous G forces, heat and vibration.

"In a land-speed car, that's just a normal day in the office. Uncomfortable, but that's what it's like. It's hugely busy, it's very hot, it's very noisy. Apart from all those things, it should be fairly simple."

While the aim of the project is to crack the magic 1000mph mark (the closest yet has been an American F104 jet fighter which flew just above ground level at 988mph), Green said the ultimately the record attempt is about instilling a sense of engineering progress in future generations.

"This about developing technology. This is about finding out new things. This is about exploring," he said. "And the story of engineering exploration is about the failures and the challenges, not just about the successes."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/tech/innovation/make-create-innovate-bloodhound-supersonic-car/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/tech/innovation/make-create-innovate-bloodhound-supersonic-car/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 05, 2014, 08:39:43 am
crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I watched the vid from some engineer woman who drove the fastest motorcycle with sidecar record setter, just crazy crazy crazy, and they weren't going as nutty fast as this.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 05, 2014, 02:20:50 pm
You are driving a brand-new Accord coupe, you come to a light at a well -marked 35mph intersection.

Do you:

A. Wait for the light to change and go right or left,

Or
B. Wait for the light to change then swing a left turn so wide you bounce both right wheels up over the curb, breaking the plastic faux mud flap off the rear wheel well?

Then keep driving like nothing happened.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 05, 2014, 02:49:27 pm
You are driving a brand-new Accord coupe, you come to a light at a well -marked 35mph intersection.

Do you:

A. Wait for the light to change and go right or left,

Or
B. Wait for the light to change then swing a left turn so wide you bounce both right wheels up over the curb, breaking the plastic faux mud flap off the rear wheel well?

Then keep driving like nothing happened.

#invisibletrailer

I believe pretending to have a trailer is a popular game in South Carolina.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 07, 2014, 06:55:32 am
LOL

But this was in Georgia, with GA plates. ;)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on December 10, 2014, 03:22:33 pm
Another big "barn find"...

Quote
$14 million for classic car found under a pile of French magazines?

Early next year, bidders are expected to shell out millions for cars that stood around in Roger Baillon's yard for decades.

The French truck manufacturing mogul had big dreams for them. He wanted to found a museum and build a miniature railroad loop for visitors to ride around and view them, a Paris auction house said.

But the plans evaporated when his business went bust in the 1970s. He sold off nearly half of his collection, but 60 of his classic European luxury and sports cars -- many built in the first half of the 20th century -- remained and collected rust, dust and weeds for about 50 years.

Until car experts from auction house Artcurial recently came upon them in a small town in western France, not far from La Rochelle.
$14.9 million

Now, buyers will probably write checks for hundreds of thousands for just one of the sagging exquisite carriages. Artcurial will put them under the hammer in February and expects the crown jewel in the collection, a 1961 Ferrari 250 GT SWB California Spyder, to fetch 9.5 million to 12 million euros ($11 million to $14.9 million).

The convertible was one of only 37 of its kind made, and it is in comparatively great condition, as it slumbered behind the doors of a snug garage, Artcurial said.

It was piled high with copies of a vintage magazine, La Vie de l'Auto -- Car Life -- when Artcurial's car expert Pierre Novikoff found it.

The Ferrari's roommate in the garage was a 1956 Maserati A6G Gran Sport Frua that auctioneers think will go for 800,000 to 1.2 million euros (about $990,000 to nearly $1.5 million).

more...http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/10/world/europe/france-14-million-dollar-car/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/10/world/europe/france-14-million-dollar-car/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 07, 2015, 02:45:07 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miA5qj5ergM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miA5qj5ergM)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2015, 04:44:17 pm
I don't know what the question is, but the answer is Miata.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: NomisR on January 07, 2015, 04:50:09 pm
Not chili?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2015, 04:52:42 pm
Not chili?

That is only when the answer must be eaten. One should not eat a Miata.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: NomisR on January 08, 2015, 10:09:34 am
You can add chili to a car though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on January 08, 2015, 11:01:59 am
My business partner who sold me the M5 is getting a new 435i Gran Coupe. He had been using his "beater" '13 Cruze this past few months but has grown tired of it.


Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on January 10, 2015, 12:29:07 pm
New trend, burled walnut hoods?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on January 10, 2015, 01:19:12 pm
Cool, but seems like a fire hazard.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on January 10, 2015, 06:53:51 pm
Wrapped or hydrodipped
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 10, 2015, 08:26:30 pm
Wrapped or hydrodipped

Lame. I want real wood.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 10, 2015, 09:22:43 pm
Lame. I want real wood.

Piece of real burl that big would cost more than the car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 10, 2015, 09:38:25 pm
Volkswagen guys are always on the cutting edge of hipster.

Also, terrible Photoshop.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 10, 2015, 10:02:00 pm
Volkswagen guys are always on the cutting edge of hipster.

Also, terrible Photoshop.

I'm particularly fond of the shipping crate on the roof.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on January 11, 2015, 05:53:55 am
What would you buy?  Barrett-Jackson 2015 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Home/Scottsdale-2015/db2ea9f8-8e86-4e46-9f59-a145dea8d4a7)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on January 11, 2015, 01:44:56 pm
Wrapped or hydrodipped

Then why bother.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on January 11, 2015, 01:45:40 pm
Piece of real burl that big would cost more than the car.

Glue a bunch of smaller pieces together.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 11, 2015, 01:45:52 pm
Apparently SCCA banned the regular Fiesta from H stock because they think its too tippy.

I had a few pucker moments with the Focus getting up on some curbing. :lol: With a torsion beam rear axle and shorter wheelbase I would have to imagine it's even worse than my old car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2015, 02:24:50 pm
Apparently SCCA banned the regular Fiesta from H stock because they think its too tippy.

I had a few pucker moments with the Focus getting up on some curbing. :lol: With a torsion beam rear axle and shorter wheelbase I would have to imagine it's even worse than my old car.

I thought my old Fiesta was a hell of a lot of fun; but yeah, it can be tippy.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on January 11, 2015, 03:40:19 pm
I thought my old Fiesta was a hell of a lot of fun; but yeah, it can be tippy.

When did you have a Fiesta?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2015, 03:43:56 pm
When did you have a Fiesta?

About '96.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 11, 2015, 03:51:08 pm
About '96.

Wtf year Fiesta? Don't tell me it was a Festiva..
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 11, 2015, 03:58:54 pm
Wtf year Fiesta? Don't tell me it was a Festiva..


Oh yeah, would you believe I misread that?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on January 12, 2015, 11:43:58 am
Apparently SCCA banned the regular Fiesta from H stock because they think its too tippy.

I had a few pucker moments with the Focus getting up on some curbing. :lol: With a torsion beam rear axle and shorter wheelbase I would have to imagine it's even worse than my old car.

Can't you just bump yourself into a higher class and be allowed to run? Silly rules.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on January 20, 2015, 08:07:36 pm
What would you buy?  Barrett-Jackson 2015 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Home/Scottsdale-2015/db2ea9f8-8e86-4e46-9f59-a145dea8d4a7)

'57 Thunderbird (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1957-FORD-THUNDERBIRD-CONVERTIBLE-178528)

(http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/178528/178528_Front_3-4_Web.JPG)

Me gusta.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 21, 2015, 02:38:00 pm
I might go look at one of these this week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbezHgFmef8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbezHgFmef8)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on January 22, 2015, 12:07:16 am
This guy knows how to build a Mustang. Check out the rear pushrod suspension.

http://youtu.be/42GTMDhLG2Y (http://youtu.be/42GTMDhLG2Y)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 24, 2015, 02:35:46 pm
Lol came to CarMax to browse minivans, getting a CX9 shipped here to look at
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 25, 2015, 07:11:37 pm
I guess we're kinda serious looking. Need to settle on a budget, could do cash up to $5k, 2yr loan at ~$100/month is more than easy and would give us another $5k in purchase power.

Minivan vs. SUV. SUV could tow more but sacrifices a lot of comfort....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on January 25, 2015, 07:15:54 pm
What are you towing?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 25, 2015, 07:25:56 pm
What are you towing?

Subaru? :-) come moving time in December?

But hopefully camp trailer in a couple years. We're more thinking minivan, 2004-2008.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on January 25, 2015, 08:45:49 pm
I guess we're kinda serious looking. Need to settle on a budget, could do cash up to $5k, 2yr loan at ~$100/month is more than easy and would give us another $5k in purchase power.

Minivan vs. SUV. SUV could tow more but sacrifices a lot of comfort....

At least the CX-9 is one of the best of the crossovers for comfort. What you give up more of is usable space behind the third row (plus cargo space in general).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on January 26, 2015, 04:58:55 am
Wow cars today are lame.  Look at this shit.

(http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/minkara/userstorage/000/018/147/119/36c80fb8ff.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 26, 2015, 09:17:39 am
Steering wheel's on the wrong side; serious safety issue letting the passenger drive like that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on January 27, 2015, 07:26:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA#t=590 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KajL7klumA#t=590)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 28, 2015, 11:51:10 am
2001 Tahoe, RWD only, 138k miles, leather but not a lot of other options, super clean.  $5500.  Thoughts???



(bluebook says $4800)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: shp4man on January 28, 2015, 01:31:19 pm
2001 Tahoe, RWD only, 138k miles, leather but not a lot of other options, super clean.  $5500.  Thoughts???



(bluebook says $4800)

High mileage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 28, 2015, 01:47:24 pm
High mileage.

It's 14yrs old. And?   
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: shp4man on January 28, 2015, 02:21:44 pm
It's 14yrs old. And?   
Vehicles start getting needy at that mileage.  There's always a reason a used car is on the lot. You have to try to figure out that reason if you can.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 28, 2015, 02:32:25 pm
Vehicles start getting needy at that mileage.  There's always a reason a used car is on the lot. You have to try to figure out that reason if you can.

This one is because he was ready for something newer. First owner. I think I could talk him down to $5k, but I have to decide whether I want to buy it.
Concerns
-gas mileage
-3rd row space
-no hitch (for bike rack but eventually towing stuff would be nice)

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: shp4man on January 28, 2015, 03:14:09 pm
This one is because he was ready for something newer. First owner. I think I could talk him down to $5k, but I have to decide whether I want to buy it.
Concerns
-gas mileage
-3rd row space
-no hitch (for bike rack but eventually towing stuff would be nice)



Pay somebody to get it inspected if it's a private party sale. Its a hundred bucks well spent.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 28, 2015, 06:37:32 pm
Good advice, but I've never followed it. Only big big issue was when I drove Subie with CEL and had to swap engine
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 28, 2015, 06:38:59 pm
Will call about it tomorrow, maybe offer $5k even. IF it has the room I want. It's only 2wd and gets crappy gas mileage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on January 28, 2015, 06:41:01 pm
gas is cheap now, you can afford 2 suburbans
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on January 28, 2015, 08:14:50 pm
Will call about it tomorrow, maybe offer $5k even. IF it has the room I want. It's only 2wd and gets crappy gas mileage.
It doesn't sound like you need a huge truck like that. Can't your van thing tow? Or did you get rid of it? This doesn't seem to make sense.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on January 29, 2015, 02:15:56 am
http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/07/a-station-wagon-unlike-any-other/ (http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/07/a-station-wagon-unlike-any-other/)

(http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Volvo-V70-Gatebil-161.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on January 29, 2015, 05:31:46 am
The underpinnings, they're beautiful.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 29, 2015, 05:54:15 am
The underpinnings, they're beautiful.

The whole car is gorgeous but that center tunnel (from the interior) detracts
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on January 29, 2015, 08:15:46 am
The whole car is gorgeous but that center tunnel (from the interior) detracts
They could've draped a bit of suede over it; to match the suede covered box in the back.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on January 31, 2015, 11:08:19 pm
Y'all seen that insane mode yet?

Tesla P85D Insane Mode Launch Reactions Compilation - Explicit Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8#ws)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 01, 2015, 05:17:17 am
Totally sweet.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 04, 2015, 06:39:25 am
You know what feature cars could use? A function that shuts off the wipers when either of the front doors are opened.

Seems like somebody should already have this; maybe they do and I've never been in one of them when it was needed; but if you've ever had a car shovel a coating of slush right onto its own doors ill area, you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on February 04, 2015, 06:58:41 am
^Hell yeah.

I'm guessing you just unknowingly had the wipers on when you started your car to clean snow off of it, and it got all over your driver's seat?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on February 04, 2015, 07:13:22 am
Yup did that a couple weeks ago with 5in of powder that ended up all blowing into my car
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 04, 2015, 07:16:59 am
^Hell yeah.

I'm guessing you just unknowingly had the wipers on when you started your car to clean snow off of it, and it got all over your driver's seat?

Yeah, done it a couple different ways this week actually.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on February 04, 2015, 07:25:45 am
Happened to me the other day. Got me mad
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 09, 2015, 09:06:56 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9acBmRCMAInaUV.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on February 09, 2015, 09:29:47 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9acBmRCMAInaUV.jpg)

That is awesome.  :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: r0tor on February 09, 2015, 03:33:48 pm
I have to wonder which pulls which...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on February 09, 2015, 08:55:40 pm
Extremely confusing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on February 10, 2015, 12:24:07 am
This looks so cool.  :wub:

(http://i.imgur.com/qUgJHRy.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2015, 12:31:35 am
I have to wonder which pulls which...

Depends on how bad the snow gets.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 10, 2015, 08:11:24 pm
How is the new Colorado anyone's truck of the year? What a colloidal piece of shit.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 10, 2015, 08:57:08 pm
Colloidal?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 10, 2015, 09:44:17 pm
Colloidal?


That's what I said. The substance of small particles remains evenly distributed in the solution. Fuck autocorrect.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on February 10, 2015, 11:57:49 pm
Shit can be evenly distributed in a solution. I think that's what a fecal microbiota transplant is...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on February 11, 2015, 01:34:12 am
um

(http://forum.club-subaru.com/download/file.php?id=6431&t=1)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on February 11, 2015, 09:50:23 am
What would you buy?  Barrett-Jackson 2015 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Home/Scottsdale-2015/db2ea9f8-8e86-4e46-9f59-a145dea8d4a7)
'64 Galaxie
(http://www.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/178618/178618_Front_3-4_Web.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on February 11, 2015, 09:58:44 am
Good choice.  I'd opt for the convertible though.  Something like this would do it for me as well...$7,700

(http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/66235/66235_Rear_3-4_Web.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on February 11, 2015, 10:38:43 am
I love the black + red interior (& the redline tires)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on February 11, 2015, 12:37:02 pm
'64 Galaxie
(http://www.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/178618/178618_Front_3-4_Web.jpg)
That is a very special car...as can be seen by the price paid for it, $156,200.00.  With that engine configuration, they are as scarce as hen's teeth.

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1964-FORD-GALAXIE-500-XL-2-DOOR-HARDTOP-178618 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1964-FORD-GALAXIE-500-XL-2-DOOR-HARDTOP-178618)

Quote
He purchased a Genuine Ford 427 Hi Riser dual 4 barrel engine assembly part #C3AE-6007-T-IE-361-T. This engine is the most powerful passenger car engine produced for retail sale by Ford Motor Company. The engine assembly was available only through the Ford Dealership parts counter. This XL is equipped with the above-mentioned factory genuine Ford 427 Hi-Riser, pushing 569hp, through the factory top loader 4-speed and 4.11 Detroit Locker rear end.

Though some would argue, the FE 427 was the crème de la crème of domestic race engines of that era.  I would love to get my hands on either a '63 or '64 Galaxie with an FE 427.  It would be the hit at any cruise or drive-in.

However, my pocketbook is relegated only to something like this...

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1964-FORD-GALAXIE-500-XL-CONVERTIBLE-162406 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1964-FORD-GALAXIE-500-XL-CONVERTIBLE-162406)

(http://www.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/162406/162406_Front_3-4_Web.JPG)

It has only the lowly FE 390 engine which is excessively stout but more suited to a truck.  Still, I'd be happy with it for $20,900.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 11, 2015, 01:17:39 pm
Good choice.  I'd opt for the convertible though.  Something like this would do it for me as well...$7,700

(http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/66235/66235_Rear_3-4_Web.jpg)

$7,700 what? Must be something wrong with it...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on February 11, 2015, 01:52:50 pm
$7,700 what? Must be something wrong with it...
These are the kind of cars they sell on Tuesdays...largely unrestored with lots of patina...

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1963-PONTIAC-PARISIENNE-CONVERTIBLE-66235 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1963-PONTIAC-PARISIENNE-CONVERTIBLE-66235)

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 12, 2015, 07:45:27 am
Minivan seems little after driving 12pax Chevy full-size work van
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 12, 2015, 09:52:04 am
Probably handles like a Miata in comparison, too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 12, 2015, 10:03:21 am
Probably handles like a Miata in comparison, too.

LOL almost. The gas pedal on workvan is so lame it takes 3months to get going from a stoplight.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on February 14, 2015, 04:49:52 am
I was watching The Car Chasers last night and they had a segment about Rossion Automotive.  I hadn't heard about them before but their product sounds quite interesting.  A bit pricy, about $120K for a street version...http://rossioncars.com/us/ (http://rossioncars.com/us/)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Rossion_Q1.JPG/1280px-Rossion_Q1.JPG)

It has its roots in the Noble M400, but made in the USA...http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/rossion-q1-specialty-file (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/rossion-q1-specialty-file)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 14, 2015, 06:17:44 am
cool= https://autos.yahoo.com/news/nissan-makes-glow-in-the-dark-car-194557660.html
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 14, 2015, 07:02:54 am
I learned not to clean my ears with a ballpoint pen.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on February 14, 2015, 08:09:11 am
While this section of Car and Driver's Jeep Renegade review was fun, I wish they'd thought of some of this snark back when the Patriot and Compass were new:
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/1454559_10152651637422061_2648621317038365608_n.jpg?oh=62cfe747d3cdbb5fd2c1d76e1556da09&oe=5556F977)

Instead, they said the 2007 Patriot's "dynamic virtues, all-around usefulness, and solid value make it hard to ignore." And while the review of the coughed-up Compass was negative back in the day, it offered not one comment on the unconventional styling. I guess it's safer to only offer the harshest criticisms from the safety of hindsight.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on February 16, 2015, 01:04:03 pm
Wienermobile crashes.  No one was hurt.  I don't know whether to laugh or... :huh:

(https://cbspittsburgh.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/wienermobile.jpg?w=620&h=349&crop=1)

What a pitiful sight. 

read...http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/02/15/no-bologna-oscar-mayer-wienermobile-crashes-near-harrisburg/ (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2015/02/15/no-bologna-oscar-mayer-wienermobile-crashes-near-harrisburg/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 16, 2015, 01:32:38 pm
I really like these wheels on a '70 Camaro

(http://i.imgur.com/jJHsMv7.png)

And these are sweet:

(http://i.imgur.com/47YJ45Z.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/zP8xRiU.png)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on February 18, 2015, 03:01:14 pm
Weather these last two days has made me just want to say fuck it, sell both cars, get an STI, and be done with it. :mask:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on February 18, 2015, 03:43:23 pm
Weather these last two days has made me just want to say fuck it, sell both cars, get an STI, and be done with it. :mask:

The ultimate winter car for me is a TT 3.2 Quattro Roadster 6MT. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on February 21, 2015, 05:46:27 pm
I've got a whine under load when accelerating on the M3. Everything points to the input shaft bearing on the gearbox.

It's gonna hurt. A lot. Eventually.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on February 21, 2015, 08:13:59 pm
I've got a whine under load when accelerating on the M3. Everything points to the input shaft bearing on the gearbox.

It's gonna hurt. A lot. Eventually.

:-(

Bummer!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 24, 2015, 12:34:27 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/viAdZ7A.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 25, 2015, 10:19:46 am
(http://i.imgur.com/P589xZa.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on February 25, 2015, 10:47:06 am
Man, C6's are so much nicer looking than C7's.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 25, 2015, 11:22:45 am
The rear, definitely. Not a big fan of C6 headlights though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 25, 2015, 11:24:09 am
(http://i.imgur.com/q1C8Fnw.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on February 25, 2015, 08:49:25 pm
:wub:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 26, 2015, 12:43:07 am
While this section of Car and Driver's Jeep Renegade review was fun, I wish they'd thought of some of this snark back when the Patriot and Compass were new:
(https://scontent-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p526x296/1454559_10152651637422061_2648621317038365608_n.jpg?oh=62cfe747d3cdbb5fd2c1d76e1556da09&oe=5556F977)

Instead, they said the 2007 Patriot's "dynamic virtues, all-around usefulness, and solid value make it hard to ignore." And while the review of the coughed-up Compass was negative back in the day, it offered not one comment on the unconventional styling. I guess it's safer to only offer the harshest criticisms from the safety of hindsight.

John Philips did a review on the Patriot that was pretty damning. I only remember it because that was one of the last episodes of C/D I ever got through subscription.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 26, 2015, 12:47:14 am
Sorry, it wernt the Patriot: twas the Commander, which I had completely forgotten about the existence of.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2006-ford-explorer-eddie-bauer-4x4-vs-jeep-commander-limited-4x4-comparison-tests (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2006-ford-explorer-eddie-bauer-4x4-vs-jeep-commander-limited-4x4-comparison-tests)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on February 26, 2015, 04:58:34 am
The Commander looks so good though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on February 26, 2015, 05:49:49 am
oh hell yeah

(http://i.imgur.com/4HJyi6y.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on February 26, 2015, 05:56:17 am
Is that a Unimog, or one of those Tatra things?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on February 26, 2015, 06:01:22 am
Old Unimog
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on February 26, 2015, 10:42:55 am
This is what happens when your ECU doesn't cut power.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/1503-watch-this-200000-2014-porsche-turbo-911-s-burn-to-the-ground/?sm_id=social_aumohotrodsshub_default_20150226_41163336&adbid=10152597552597540&adbpl=fb&adbpr=13601527539 (http://www.hotrod.com/news/1503-watch-this-200000-2014-porsche-turbo-911-s-burn-to-the-ground/?sm_id=social_aumohotrodsshub_default_20150226_41163336&adbid=10152597552597540&adbpl=fb&adbpr=13601527539)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on March 03, 2015, 05:03:17 am
(https://www.facebook.com/thecarmemes/photos/a.308517135870735.80939.308506372538478/834405843281859/?type=1)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on March 07, 2015, 04:53:15 am
Nice looking RAT.  To bad they stuck a mouse in it.

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/68e8c436557b36a8ebbd48b700b55ef3980cb7f9/c=115-0-1885-1331&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/03/06/DetroitNews/DetroitNews/635612630009719725-2015-0306-mo-autorama940.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on March 07, 2015, 05:00:01 am
Beauty!

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/21a812753837de15fd7990fb2e2ca8415c952a8e/c=58-0-1828-1331&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/03/06/DetroitNews/DetroitNews/635612630010031729-2015-0305-mo-autorama710.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on March 07, 2015, 06:32:29 am
Sorry, it wernt the Patriot: twas the Commander, which I had completely forgotten about the existence of.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2006-ford-explorer-eddie-bauer-4x4-vs-jeep-commander-limited-4x4-comparison-tests (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2006-ford-explorer-eddie-bauer-4x4-vs-jeep-commander-limited-4x4-comparison-tests)

I'd forgotten this review but now I remember this line from it: "Buying an Explorer or Commander on the premise that you might, one day, need to carry seven persons and tow a Bayliner up to Chicken Point is like buying the Playboy mansion on the premise that you might, one day, have 17 bosomy, dumb girlfriends who all want to live with you at the same time. Yeah, it could happen. But why pay the mortgage until it does?"
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 09, 2015, 05:57:49 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/3QKcs9L.jpg)

Everyone is all like "omg sleeper!" and I'm just looking at those rear tires and imagining how much HP is going to waste because those things can't handle anywhere close to 1200 HP.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 09, 2015, 08:27:57 pm
So on the way home from work on a three lane 55mph highway, a lowered, darkened ( the wrong way so you can't see lights) Genesis coupe was driving douchey. I just stayed in one lane and ended up in front of him, at a red light that goes to a right handed 280degree cloverleaf onto an express way. Loser gets into the next lane, could tell he was going where I was.

So I gun my 18yr old 4banger and he beats me handily but with my economy tires on the verge of loud screeching I stay on his bumper all the way around until it straightens out into the merge lane. I time it so I am at full throttle and can go two lanes over at my typical 65mph cruising speed and pass the 60mph traffic. ( Also 55mph zone)

dummy is lucky he didn't get nails or whatever in his tires- he just gunned it up to around 70mph but there were no gaps so was braking hard in the breakdown lane after he ran out of merge lane...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on March 10, 2015, 06:40:48 am
Something for the Chevy guys...

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Chip-Foose-1965-Chevrolet-Impala-Impostor-PLACEMENT-626x382.jpg)

This year saw competition for the award narrowed down to eight finalists—but it was a ’65 Chevrolet Impala modded by none other than Chip Foose that took home the prize.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2015-autorama-and-the-ridler-award-for-best-hot-rod-goes-to/ (http://blog.caranddriver.com/2015-autorama-and-the-ridler-award-for-best-hot-rod-goes-to/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 10, 2015, 11:58:57 am
Wasn't too surprised it won, that thing is perfect. (Not my style, but that isn't as big of a part of the award as excellent build quality)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on March 10, 2015, 04:24:44 pm
Wasn't too surprised it won, that thing is perfect. (Not my style, but that isn't as big of a part of the award as excellent build quality)
He's done a few that, I'm pretty sure, are your style. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 10, 2015, 09:56:24 pm
Ridetech is doing a 48 hour Corvette build, you watch it live.

http://www.ridetech.com/48hourcorvette/ (http://www.ridetech.com/48hourcorvette/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 11, 2015, 11:13:01 am
Ridetech is doing a 48 hour Corvette build, you watch it live.

http://www.ridetech.com/48hourcorvette/ (http://www.ridetech.com/48hourcorvette/)

Engine should be going in around 2 pm.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 11, 2015, 01:37:08 pm
Engine is in, they're vinyl wrapping the car now. Pretty cool to watch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 12, 2015, 05:57:39 am
I need to move to Europe....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhtMSIDB2dU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhtMSIDB2dU)

Hilarious how everyone jumps to help push them back over so they can keep driving
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on March 12, 2015, 06:56:27 am
Something for the Chevy guys...

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Chip-Foose-1965-Chevrolet-Impala-Impostor-PLACEMENT-626x382.jpg)

This year saw competition for the award narrowed down to eight finalists—but it was a ’65 Chevrolet Impala modded by none other than Chip Foose that took home the prize.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2015-autorama-and-the-ridler-award-for-best-hot-rod-goes-to/ (http://blog.caranddriver.com/2015-autorama-and-the-ridler-award-for-best-hot-rod-goes-to/)
NICE!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 12, 2015, 08:36:01 pm
Ridetech is doing a 48 hour Corvette build, you watch it live.

http://www.ridetech.com/48hourcorvette/ (http://www.ridetech.com/48hourcorvette/)

1.5 hours left, engine should be fired up for the first time in the next half-hour.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on March 14, 2015, 05:01:04 am
A glimpse of the future...

Quote
Autonomous car prepares for 3,500-mile U.S. road trip

Call it a preview of the cross-country road trip of the future.

An autonomous car developed by auto supplier Delphi Automotive will soon be making a 3,500-mile journey across the U.S. A person will sit behind the wheel at all times but won’t touch it unless there’s a situation the car can’t handle. The car will stick mainly to highways.

Companies both inside and outside the auto industry are experimenting with technologies that take more and more responsibilities away from the driver — right up to the act of actually driving the car. Most experts say a true driverless vehicle is at least a decade away.



read more...http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/03/13/autonomous-car-prepares-mile-us-road-trip/70313716/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2015/03/13/autonomous-car-prepares-mile-us-road-trip/70313716/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on March 14, 2015, 07:32:40 am
Good. All cars other than mine should be autonomous. Autonomous cars will maintain reasonable following distances, stop behind the white line at intersections, keep right except to pass, and not require the use of high beams in traffic... or ever.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 14, 2015, 08:13:43 pm
Crazy top fuel crash today. Never seen anything like it.

http://autoweek.com/article/nhra/nhra-driver-larry-dixon-walks-away-scary-crash-gaternationals (http://autoweek.com/article/nhra/nhra-driver-larry-dixon-walks-away-scary-crash-gaternationals)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on March 15, 2015, 12:37:22 am
I need to move to Europe....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhtMSIDB2dU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhtMSIDB2dU)

Hilarious how everyone jumps to help push them back over so they can keep driving

Scandinavia, you mean, judging by the numbers of Volvos and Saabs!
Title: Sv: Re: Car Chat
Post by: mzziaz on March 15, 2015, 12:58:01 am
Scandinavia, you mean, judging by the numbers of Volvos and Saabs!

Since the channel is Swedishrally, I think you might be on to something

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 16, 2015, 05:01:02 am
All yurup is a short drive to anywhere else. I drove 3 days to go home to wyoming- that would be from the bottom of Italy to the top of Sweden over there...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 19, 2015, 06:41:27 pm
Foose hot rod:

(http://i.imgur.com/wt4deYN.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2McevmP.jpg)

Hoonigan Mustang inspired '32 pickup

(http://i.imgur.com/5Rf2hoJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 24, 2015, 01:45:31 pm
LOL checking kelly bluebook for my car's value and was shocked it was $3072

Oh. Forgot a digit on the mileage. Dropped to $1321 with 197000 miles instead of 19700

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 26, 2015, 08:51:23 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/F4eJb8m.jpg)

This is an awesome C10. If any of you guys subscribe to /Drive+ on youtube, there's a sweet video of it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on March 26, 2015, 10:01:19 pm
I think it may actually be one of my least favorite C10s in the OUSCI TBH.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on March 27, 2015, 10:35:50 am
Lots of fantastic wallpaper-quality pics here:

http://jalopnik.com/what-its-like-going-to-the-nurburgring-in-a-950-hp-lafe-1693779274 (http://jalopnik.com/what-its-like-going-to-the-nurburgring-in-a-950-hp-lafe-1693779274)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on March 28, 2015, 04:26:03 pm
Here is the M class face... I meant GLE in AMG guise.

(http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/13/980x490/landscape-1427315771-15c153-045.jpg)

I wonder how much more ridiculous grills will get in the coming years.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 31, 2015, 07:36:28 am
http://www.ebay.com/gds/12-of-the-Most-Hilarious-Car-Memes-/10000000204615436/g.html?roken2=ti.pTGVlIE1hbGNoZXI= (http://www.ebay.com/gds/12-of-the-Most-Hilarious-Car-Memes-/10000000204615436/g.html?roken2=ti.pTGVlIE1hbGNoZXI=)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on April 07, 2015, 11:57:14 am
2004 Dodge 1500 100+ foot jump in Pismo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQqpxxiyeeU#ws)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on April 07, 2015, 09:34:41 pm
Tanner Foust's 900 hp Passat

(http://i.imgur.com/BoWtzE0.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on April 07, 2015, 09:40:47 pm
The exhaust on that is wild^


(http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Larry_Chen_Speedhunters_Tanner_Foust_livery_2015-5-800x533.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on April 07, 2015, 10:15:19 pm
Maloooooo

(http://i.imgur.com/KUrSDX3.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on April 07, 2015, 11:35:12 pm
The exhaust on that is wild^


(http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Larry_Chen_Speedhunters_Tanner_Foust_livery_2015-5-800x533.jpg)

the eff?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on April 08, 2015, 05:37:48 pm
Maloooooo

(http://i.imgur.com/KUrSDX3.jpg)
:ohyeah:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on April 08, 2015, 06:03:11 pm
the eff?

Firewall/undercar clearance issues perhaps?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on April 10, 2015, 05:15:55 am
Damn

(http://i.imgur.com/S9q9uTd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/5g8SU22.png)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on April 10, 2015, 06:14:03 am
$50K and all you can get is an automatic? Fuck off.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on April 10, 2015, 08:23:42 am

Damn

(http://i.imgur.com/S9q9uTd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/5g8SU22.png)

Holy shit. That's ridiculous. If they go down to $40k, they've got a deal :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on April 10, 2015, 09:12:01 am
Damn

(http://i.imgur.com/S9q9uTd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/5g8SU22.png)

In fairness, those are leftover '14s. (Though I guess the fact that they *have* these leftover '14s is part of the problem.)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: hotrodalex on April 11, 2015, 01:10:33 am
Was thinking about a Jeep as a graduation present to myself. But maybe one of those...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on May 20, 2015, 12:50:25 pm
Motor Trend is running a promotion where you get a year's subscription plus a USB car charger for $6. Seems hard to pass up -- I'm sure I can glean a few pennies of value from each issue. https://www.circsource.com/store/Subscribe.html?offerId=7286 (https://www.circsource.com/store/Subscribe.html?offerId=7286)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Secret Chimp on May 20, 2015, 11:39:11 pm
Motor Trend is running a promotion where you get a year's subscription plus a USB car charger for $6. Seems hard to pass up -- I'm sure I can glean a few pennies of value from each issue. https://www.circsource.com/store/Subscribe.html?offerId=7286 (https://www.circsource.com/store/Subscribe.html?offerId=7286)

Dang, neato.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on May 23, 2015, 10:47:37 pm
*lookin nice and stuff*

(http://i.imgur.com/Q4orEIX.jpg)



fucking dumb

(http://i.imgur.com/QoL6z2d.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on May 23, 2015, 10:55:27 pm
I hope he takes that off when it gets driven.  That would be pure death in an accident.  Or at least major facial surgery.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 24, 2015, 02:23:02 pm
Motor Trend is running a promotion where you get a year's subscription plus a USB car charger for $6. Seems hard to pass up -- I'm sure I can glean a few pennies of value from each issue. https://www.circsource.com/store/Subscribe.html?offerId=7286 (https://www.circsource.com/store/Subscribe.html?offerId=7286)

Uh, i'll pass hooking up my $1k phone to a $2 chinese charger :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 03, 2015, 05:07:51 am
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/heres-why-strapping-a-jet-to-your-mini-cooper-120440890867.html?soc_src=unv-sh&soc_trk=fb&fb_ref=Default (https://www.yahoo.com/autos/heres-why-strapping-a-jet-to-your-mini-cooper-120440890867.html?soc_src=unv-sh&soc_trk=fb&fb_ref=Default)

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on June 09, 2015, 11:00:25 pm
If I remember correctly Chris Harris did not like the 911 GT3 that much, but he seems to love the GT3RS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hTLk1rU_ZI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hTLk1rU_ZI)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 20, 2015, 08:14:49 am
Drove 4hrs, waiting for kids to arrive. I-20 and I-95. Then back home

Most interesting ( to me) sights--
-shiny old red Vette on a trailer. Like 60s old
-NB with hitch rack and bicycle
- old Mazda MPV with bikes on the back
- New style t-bird vert? Or fake roof
-pink 50s coupe on a trailer ( no idea model)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on June 20, 2015, 04:17:37 pm

- New style t-bird vert? Or fake roof

o_O

Do you mean you saw one of the last generation T-birds (2001-2005ish?) with... the top up? They're all convertibles, you know.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 20, 2015, 05:43:35 pm
o_O

Do you mean you saw one of the last generation T-birds (2001-2005ish?) with... the top up? They're all convertibles, you know.

Oh. I thought they had hardtop models.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 20, 2015, 05:47:23 pm
On the way home saw:

- white new caddy hearse
-lots of black Altimas left lane camping
-couple red Altimas driving way fast then trying to cut people off
-bus size rv towing a jeep with a hitch rack with a tandem bike mounted vertically. Those bikes are looooong! Even without the front wheel it was practically as tall as the rv!!
-chocolate colored Tundra with black wheels. Looked cool in a different way
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on June 20, 2015, 11:32:31 pm
Oh. I thought they had hardtop models.
They came with removable hardtops also!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 21, 2015, 05:29:21 am
They came with removable hardtops also!

Hardtop is all I remember seeing before :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on June 24, 2015, 07:33:52 am
Saw a red Raptor this morning with the US flag painted/ stickered on the giant "FORD" letters in the front grill. Looked cool!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on June 24, 2015, 09:19:59 pm
Hardtop is all I remember seeing before :huh:

I guess you'd just never seen one with the top off. I don't know if it was standard equipment or not but rest assured the colour-matched removable hardtop complete with opera windows à la '55 T-bird was completely removable.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on June 24, 2015, 09:37:36 pm
I guess you'd just never seen one with the top off. I don't know if it was standard equipment or not but rest assured the colour-matched removable hardtop complete with opera windows à la '55 T-bird was completely removable.

It was standard equipment at first- maybe for the first year. At one point it became optional.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on June 24, 2015, 09:40:43 pm
If it wasn't standard equipment it might as well have been, it was definitely popular. I admit I haven't seen many without the hardtop either.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 03, 2015, 06:29:41 am
rain + empty interstate interchange= me power understeering at 60mph...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 03, 2015, 08:03:07 pm
So a guy at work drives a Cooper s. And back home he has an sti which he's paid to have built up.
 800+hp  :confused: :confused: :confused:

Bigger turbo and automatic nitrous. Bored and sleeved. Only gets 8mpg..... :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 09, 2015, 06:13:42 am
Oh btw
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 27, 2015, 08:39:20 pm
HELLCATS

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/dodge-doubles-hellcat-production-for-2016-but-125179385757.html (https://www.yahoo.com/autos/dodge-doubles-hellcat-production-for-2016-but-125179385757.html)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on July 28, 2015, 01:33:27 am
HELLCATS

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/dodge-doubles-hellcat-production-for-2016-but-125179385757.html (https://www.yahoo.com/autos/dodge-doubles-hellcat-production-for-2016-but-125179385757.html)


"Those dealers that did the best job of moving Hellcats will get more; those who bought a few and slapped $20,000 markups on the sticker hoping for a sale will get penalized."

That's legit.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 05, 2015, 07:30:36 am
http://time.com/3985080/when-was-the-first-traffic-light-installed/ (http://time.com/3985080/when-was-the-first-traffic-light-installed/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 09, 2015, 08:15:49 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx31ouvVfsc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx31ouvVfsc)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 23, 2015, 12:55:32 pm
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/09/23/subaru-bets-big-on-us-demand-for-suvs.aspx (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/09/23/subaru-bets-big-on-us-demand-for-suvs.aspx)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 24, 2015, 02:02:01 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-64-van-2015-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-64-van-2015-9)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 24, 2015, 02:10:26 pm
http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-64-van-2015-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-64-van-2015-9)

Wiring controller ports to each seat was a nice touch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 24, 2015, 02:14:39 pm
So instead of writing "free candy" on the side, he can write "free Mario Party."
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 28, 2015, 08:36:44 am
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/27/9406915/insane-race-car-crash-ends-with-one-porsche-sitting-on-the-roof-of (http://www.sbnation.com/2015/9/27/9406915/insane-race-car-crash-ends-with-one-porsche-sitting-on-the-roof-of)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 29, 2015, 01:45:38 pm
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/owners-question-tesla-p85d-power-output-news-letter-2/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/owners-question-tesla-p85d-power-output-news-letter-2/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 21, 2015, 11:48:17 am
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2015/10/21/complex-new-transmissions-causing-headaches-for-drivers.html (http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2015/10/21/complex-new-transmissions-causing-headaches-for-drivers.html)

Transmission issues....!!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 12, 2015, 09:39:43 am
MAH VTEC is too late.

Odyssey doesn't roar until 4.5k rpms. Redline and shift is 6k. And that's holding the gas pedal on the floor.

It's all just a scam to boost horsepower numbers, but unusable in real life. Wife doesn't like "wasting gas" so mah VTEC gets used but rarely.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 10, 2015, 11:05:23 am
Sooooo   Impreza is in the shop. It will ride on a trailer to NY next month. Got tires/ brakes done on Odyssey recently.

Legacy is probably going to be sold for $1k to classmate. KBB is $988-1300. I'll probably even drive it to Maryland for her too, since I'm going to visit my kids and coming back with wife Dec 18-20.  (Classmate is moving there.)

Only unknown is the emissions test. Should be straight, no CEL since I replaced engine 2012. Cat and muffler system all seems intact.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on December 10, 2015, 09:03:54 pm
Sooooo   Impreza is in the shop. It will ride on a trailer to NY next month. Got tires/ brakes done on Odyssey recently.

Legacy is probably going to be sold for $1k to classmate. KBB is $988-1300. I'll probably even drive it to Maryland for her too, since I'm going to visit my kids and coming back with wife Dec 18-20.  (Classmate is moving there.)

Only unknown is the emissions test. Should be straight, no CEL since I replaced engine 2012. Cat and muffler system all seems intact.

When did you get an 05 Outback?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on December 10, 2015, 10:18:59 pm
When did you get an 05 Outback?

That's his wife's impreza
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on December 11, 2015, 12:03:11 am
That's his wife's impreza

Hold on, when did you get a 97 Legacy?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on December 11, 2015, 12:11:40 am
wat
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on December 11, 2015, 12:13:47 am
No, watt.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on December 11, 2015, 12:25:15 am
you should get wats for your car
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on December 11, 2015, 12:41:54 am
What's wat, wot?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on December 11, 2015, 12:50:24 am
(http://i.ebayimg.com/21/!B+D!gMgB2k~$(KGrHqIOKpgEy+jC)cqkBM-gSFj9Zw~~_35.JPG?set_id=8800005007)

In gray, with meaty tires
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 11, 2015, 03:35:34 am
When did you get an 05 Outback?
Hold on, when did you get a 97 Legacy?

When I got married June 2014. She bought it new.

June 2008, I paid $2500 for it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 12, 2015, 06:22:28 am
The blue on that new BRZ is hawt!

I'm waiting at Subaru....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 12, 2015, 07:55:26 am
Free car washes at the dealership are spoiling. I could almost want to suffer the depreciation hit. Some people are here at the dealer just for that lol. (I'm getting "complimentary winter check".
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on December 12, 2015, 09:14:01 am
When I got married June 2014. She bought it new.

June 2008, I paid $2500 for it.

Ah.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 12, 2015, 10:03:30 am

The blue on that new BRZ is hawt!

I'm waiting at Subaru....

The hyper blue? I saw an STI in that color. Can't say I'm a fan.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 12, 2015, 10:24:35 am
The hyper blue? I saw an STI in that color. Can't say I'm a fan.

Not my favorite color but probably stands out on the road. Lol at the two different people looking for the BRZturbo....
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 12, 2015, 10:37:16 am

Not my favorite color but probably stands out on the road. Lol at the two different people looking for the BRZturbo....

It doesn't exist :cry:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on December 12, 2015, 11:59:25 am
Hyper blue looks great on the crosstrek
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on December 12, 2015, 12:42:18 pm
Blew a rear tire on the M5 a few days ago by falling into an uncovered drain (I think). The tire was destroyed but rim held. Decided on getting a new set of tires that i was already thinking about. When I got the car it was on a pair of Hankooks up front and BF Goodrich rears. They still had some life left, especially the rears so I kept it that way.

I bit the bullet and got these:

(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG-20151211-WA0005_zpsadnhd8bs.jpg)

Pilot Super Sports like I have on the other cars.

I just picked up the car after mount/balance/align and it feels fantastic. Note to self: do not be skimpy on tires again.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 14, 2015, 07:32:55 am
Those look like reasonable tires. Why the tread blocks? Can't you run slicks on the streets in Mexico?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 16, 2015, 08:17:24 am
weird!!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/g6428/the-incredible-maserati-boomerang-auction/?slide=5 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/g6428/the-incredible-maserati-boomerang-auction/?slide=5)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 21, 2015, 11:13:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D8oLaCgfL8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D8oLaCgfL8)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 21, 2015, 11:16:40 pm
weird!!

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/g6428/the-incredible-maserati-boomerang-auction/?slide=5 (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/g6428/the-incredible-maserati-boomerang-auction/?slide=5)

That steering wheel and gauge cluster is magnificent.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 01, 2016, 01:54:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsbfzmPCYX4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsbfzmPCYX4)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 04, 2016, 03:51:58 pm
I've seen the new Kia Sedona at least three times the last few days that make me think, "That's a decent minivan".

C&D review says it's 3rd place to Honda and Toyota, but that's pretty respectable. The mpgeez are spot-on and seems the vehicle should be good at what minivans do.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 05, 2016, 12:04:13 am
I've seen the new Kia Sedona at least three times the last few days that make me think, "That's a decent minivan".

C&D review says it's 3rd place to Honda and Toyota, but that's pretty respectable. The mpgeez are spot-on and seems the vehicle should be good at what minivans do.

There's no such thing as a "bad car" in today's market. Compared to even 10 years ago, new cars are leaps and bound better.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 05, 2016, 12:04:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr9r81O5vN8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr9r81O5vN8)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on January 05, 2016, 12:56:12 am
under twelve seconds to 186mph....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2016, 04:45:44 am
I can't believe how little steering input there was, especially under early acceleration.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 05, 2016, 08:09:56 am
I can't believe how little steering input there was, especially under early acceleration.

That dude was just foolin around. First donuts, then look ma no hands!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on January 05, 2016, 01:25:51 pm
That dude was just foolin around. First donuts, then look ma no hands!

Furrrrreal
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 05, 2016, 04:12:34 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/8AyHcO7.jpg)

18x10 wheels all around, 2.3L turbo engine, coilovers. Nice.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on January 05, 2016, 09:42:20 pm
noice
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 06, 2016, 06:16:44 am
Now it's a 2 seater without convertible, and you can't put too much weight in the trunk?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on January 07, 2016, 01:35:34 am
The ranger?  It was always a two seater, and the coilovers are probably stiffer than the stock leaf springs.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on January 07, 2016, 06:53:38 am
I've seen the new Kia Sedona at least three times the last few days that make me think, "That's a decent minivan".

C&D review says it's 3rd place to Honda and Toyota, but that's pretty respectable. The mpgeez are spot-on and seems the vehicle should be good at what minivans do.

The biggest difference between the new Sedona and the other vans is that it prioritizes luxury over maximum utility. It's very nice but you won't have as much cargo space as the others because the middle-row seats aren't removable.

Some reviewers have also disliked the ride and handling, though I had no complaints when I drove one.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 07, 2016, 07:24:55 am
Minivan? These things are huge. The Kia Rondo is a minivan. The Honda Fit is a minivan. I want my gee dee Honda S1000. Honda has got to get back into the compact sport car market. Or is it sport compact car? No, that's an old magazine. That Honda killed.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on January 09, 2016, 09:09:52 am
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12524005_10153332353042061_8783410988028781398_n.jpg?oh=03b3191ef1f919e55d43cd99da278f3b&oe=56FD0B89)

Maybe they should ask Detroit Edison to sponsor their EV tests....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 09, 2016, 12:37:56 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on January 09, 2016, 12:51:11 pm
derp
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 13, 2016, 12:17:31 pm
Minivan? These things are huge. The Kia Rondo is a minivan. The Honda Fit is a minivan. I want my gee dee Honda S1000. Honda has got to get back into the compact sport car market. Or is it sport compact car? No, that's an old magazine. That Honda killed.

The minivan from the late 1980s was revolutionary because it seated more (comfortably) than a station wagon but still fit into a garage. "Full-size" vans at the time did not fit into a standard garage.

Yes they have grown since then. The original Kia Sedona is noticeably tinier than the standard Odyssey/Sienna/Caravans of it's day.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on January 13, 2016, 04:09:59 pm
The minivan from the late 1980s was revolutionary because it seated more (comfortably) than a station wagon but still fit into a garage. "Full-size" vans at the time did not fit into a standard garage.

Yes they have grown since then. The original Kia Sedona is noticeably tinier than the standard Odyssey/Sienna/Caravans of it's day.

Full-size vans have also grown since 1984. *All* classes have grown since 1984.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on January 13, 2016, 04:15:31 pm
The minivan from the late 1980s was revolutionary because it seated more (comfortably) than a station wagon but still fit into a garage. "Full-size" vans at the time did not fit into a standard garage.

Yes they have grown since then. The original Kia Sedona is noticeably tinier than the standard Odyssey/Sienna/Caravans of it's day.

They're still smaller than a fulls size cargo van (E150 or similar).  I think they're even smaller than an 80s era cargo van.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Xer0 on January 13, 2016, 08:06:06 pm
There's no such thing as a "bad car" in today's market. Compared to even 10 years ago, new cars are leaps and bound better.

This is such an over-used saying and it always bugs me.  Bad is a relative term, just like how a car maybe "better" than the cars that were out ten years ago, it can also very easily be "worse" than what's out.  Bad is defined by the competition that you can buy, not an imaginary car that hasn't been in production in a decade +.

and with that, my rant is done!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 13, 2016, 11:58:08 pm
The minivan from the late 1980s was revolutionary because it seated more (comfortably) than a station wagon but still fit into a garage. "Full-size" vans at the time did not fit into a standard garage.

Yes they have grown since then. The original Kia Sedona is noticeably tinier than the standard Odyssey/Sienna/Caravans of it's day.

A gentleman at my work owns an early first generation Plymouth Voyager. We've both come to the conclusion that- at least compared to full sized wagons, that (along with the cake) is a lie.

Until you add car seats into the equation; which started becoming mandatory around he same time.

I still think the minivan took over because it was (believe it or not) cooler than the station wagon. Sure, there were other factors (mileage), but by and large the minivan was new and exciting and the wagon was the embarassing dad car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 17, 2016, 07:27:19 pm
Nope, you can cram way more into a minivan than a wagon.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on January 17, 2016, 07:30:16 pm
Nope, you can cram way more into a minivan than a wagon.

Not more people comfortably; at least not in the early minivans.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on January 17, 2016, 07:39:23 pm
Nope, you can cram way more into a minivan than a wagon.

Old-school, full-sized wagons were HUGE and the first gen Chrysler minivans (pre "grand" models) weren't that big.  Total interior volume was probably pretty close.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 17, 2016, 08:44:21 pm
Old-school, full-sized wagons were HUGE and the first gen Chrysler minivans (pre "grand" models) weren't that big.  Total interior volume was probably pretty close.

Could be, but crawling into the back of a wagon is not as easy as a tall space.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 19, 2016, 11:33:12 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Y42GuTw.jpg)

Seriously? :facepalm:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on January 19, 2016, 11:41:24 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Y42GuTw.jpg)

Seriously? :facepalm:

Wtf is that?  Media time outs for NASCAR?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on January 19, 2016, 12:01:20 pm
Well it's a fact that Nascar loves yellow flags. It bunches the cars together and can lead to big wrecks immediately after the restart, which viewers find entertaining. But I'm sure it'll extend the race time, which is a negative for viewers. More commercials is also a negative. Seems like a big risk.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on January 19, 2016, 12:02:09 pm
 :wtf:
It's probably a union thing. Drivers need to break every 20. :wtf: :wtf:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on January 19, 2016, 12:14:23 pm
Seems like this will diminish the importance of pit strategy.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on January 19, 2016, 01:27:07 pm
as if turning left wasn't hard enough, now they have to watch the clock too????    :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on February 14, 2016, 11:39:55 am
850 HP legit aluminum-bodied Cobra. Love this car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedlRC4-Y1Q&list=UU0CJQuj-tI4J89NccUhpJ1Q&index=27 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hedlRC4-Y1Q&list=UU0CJQuj-tI4J89NccUhpJ1Q&index=27)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on February 14, 2016, 02:30:15 pm
Oh my god
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on February 22, 2016, 02:23:10 am
Fiat Toro.  Same size of 2nd gen Ranger and can carry 1 ton

(http://cdn-1.motor1.com/p/static/img/mglr/500000/590000/596000/596500/596555/000.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on February 22, 2016, 02:42:04 am
A ton at that size? Wouldn't that be super stiff?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on February 22, 2016, 05:05:02 am
Maybe it has lasanga leaf springs and ziti bushings. Soak in hot water for a limp, slippery ride. Let dry for a stiff, brittle ride.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on February 22, 2016, 07:43:22 pm
Wrap it in rubbery rope for an even stiffer ride...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 07, 2016, 07:05:42 am
saw two 944s sitting in yards on a rural highway this morning. One silver, one tan.

Route 11 between Watertown NY and Fort Drum NY.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on March 10, 2016, 05:49:53 am
These look much nicer in person

(http://i.imgur.com/iyQxW6l.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 10, 2016, 10:17:39 am
(http://i.imgur.com/8UCqNfV.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 10, 2016, 10:18:14 am
These look much nicer in person

(http://i.imgur.com/iyQxW6l.jpg?2)

Was it a group of manufacturer test cars or what?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on March 10, 2016, 10:18:31 am
The oil pan is a nice touch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on March 10, 2016, 01:28:20 pm
Was it a group of manufacturer test cars or what?

Yeah they all say test vehicle on the rear bumper
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 10, 2016, 01:42:10 pm
win for MINIVAN, carried a full and twin bedframe (cheap metal bunkbed needed to be welded, I wasn't careful disassembling it in SC).

This afternoon MINIVAN goes to pick up desks.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 11, 2016, 07:48:55 pm
Forgot to get pictures of all the desks inside, but moved three of these in Odyssey. Tops had to be removed and laid down.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Laconian on March 11, 2016, 10:19:55 pm
At once?? Damn, Odyssey hauls. It doesn't haul ass, but it hauls.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 14, 2016, 04:53:09 am
At once?? Damn, Odyssey hauls. It doesn't haul ass, but it hauls.

Yup, at once!

No Autobahn here, so haven't checked top speed. This thing has more hps than my SHO. More weight and frontal area too though....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 14, 2016, 10:10:56 am
I've hit 110 in a Sienna.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 14, 2016, 11:11:01 am
I've hit 110 in a Sienna.

pfft.    My 1992 Voyager's speedo only went to 110mph. It was good for another 500rpms beyond that :mrcool:

Later MOPAR minivans had a limiter at 110mph. A friend had one in Germany and about crapped his pants the first time, thinking he'd blown the engine. And the stupid part is the engine isn't re-enabled until you get under 90mph. DANGEROUS when you're in traffic!!!   :hammerhead:

PS- SHO was good for 140mph
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on March 14, 2016, 12:13:03 pm
Oh yeah, that Sienna could have kept going. Probably 125 and then it'd be fighting the wind.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on March 14, 2016, 12:34:55 pm
Oh yeah, that Sienna could have kept going. Probably 125 and then it'd be fighting the wind.

My experience in the SHO was that 90mph was fairly easy, 110 took some road, 125+ the road better be clear and looong.

For reference, SHO had 220hp, 2004 Sienna 225hp and 2003 Odyssey about the same.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on April 18, 2016, 05:31:36 am
oops- Ferrari into a wall, anyone?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ferrari-worth-240000-owned-by-lord-aleem-21-074029600.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/ferrari-worth-240000-owned-by-lord-aleem-21-074029600.html)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on April 18, 2016, 07:59:03 am
oops- Ferrari into a wall, anyone?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ferrari-worth-240000-owned-by-lord-aleem-21-074029600.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/ferrari-worth-240000-owned-by-lord-aleem-21-074029600.html)

One less ugly Ferrari around.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on April 18, 2016, 10:20:18 am
They really gunned it into that wall to collapse the whole corner of the car in like that. Dummies.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on April 20, 2016, 09:56:30 pm
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1715/26468776821_acf83fdfc4_b.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1535/26442527692_0acf3eaf33_b.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1490/26468783701_c67717e5f1_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on April 20, 2016, 09:57:21 pm
So legit
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on April 20, 2016, 10:49:38 pm
Shouldn't the medium car have a trailer with the little car on it?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on April 20, 2016, 11:13:04 pm
Shouldn't the medium car have a trailer with the little car on it?

Now that you say it... it most certainly should.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 280Z Turbo on April 26, 2016, 09:17:08 pm
Damn, Sergio. Quit running your mouth. It's embarrassing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-beijing-ford-fca-idUSKCN0XK07Z (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-beijing-ford-fca-idUSKCN0XK07Z)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on April 27, 2016, 06:45:41 am
Going for The Naked Man approach.  Bold move Sergio.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on April 27, 2016, 04:19:31 pm
This morning. Bought Odyssey with 168k miles February of 2015.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on April 27, 2016, 05:35:14 pm
This morning. Bought Odyssey with 168k miles February of 2015.

20K miles in a bit more than a year. That's a lot of driving. How has the Odyssey behaved so far?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on April 27, 2016, 05:36:50 pm
Mechanic indie BMW specialist is coming in Friday to my office to remove the DSC pump from the M5. Then I'll ship it to the UK and have it rebuilt. Downtime will be 3 weeks or so. Car can't be driven without the pump. It will stay parked on office lot corner spot till then.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on April 27, 2016, 06:40:30 pm
#BMWthangs
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on April 27, 2016, 07:21:09 pm
20K miles in a bit more than a year. That's a lot of driving. How has the Odyssey behaved so far?

Quite well, thanks!!

The transmission has some kind of issue, it "shudders" sometimes at low speed/low RPMs. Solution seems to be replace the torque converter and/or transmission, but it hasn't gotten worse so we just deal with it.  First (only) owner said it's always had synthentic oil- it seemed to be burning a half quart every month or so. I used "synthetic blend" a while back then put synthetic back in. I'm not sure if it's that or the cold weather but it hasn't burnt any since December. Not leaking, not a single drop on the garage floor.

It was a decent purchase. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on April 27, 2016, 08:55:35 pm
Bought this for myself for my birthday:

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0452/7569/products/never-die-print_1024x1024.jpg?v=1414692635)

Need to get it framed, and then I'll hang it.  That's next week's project. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on April 27, 2016, 11:22:50 pm
Bought this for myself for my birthday:

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0452/7569/products/never-die-print_1024x1024.jpg?v=1414692635)

Need to get it framed, and then I'll hang it.  That's next week's project. 

Nice! Now get an ///M in the garage to go with that. I think you'd enjoy a manual M2.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Byteme on April 28, 2016, 12:28:07 am
Bought this for myself for my birthday:

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0452/7569/products/never-die-print_1024x1024.jpg?v=1414692635)

Need to get it framed, and then I'll hang it.  That's next week's project.

From the dictionary:

legend:   a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical.

Kind of a poor choice of words by the guy writing the poster text.   :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on April 28, 2016, 05:00:43 am
Nice! Now get an ///M in the garage to go with that. I think you'd enjoy a manual M2.

Well, the current car plan is:

1. Buy an Evo X or G3 Subaru STI. Once I'm working again, I can't just stop because of snow, so a winter car is first priority. Outside chance I'll get a GTI or Golf R, but both have flaws I'm looking to avoid (FWD and no sunroof, respectively). 

2. Replace Z4 3.0i with Z4M Roadster. Perhaps in a louder color, like blue.

3. Maybe go halfsies on an SUV with my brother (this could happen at any time).

Personally, I don't see the point in a fixed roof car with RWD, because if it's clear enough a day to drive RWD with no problems, it's probably also a top down day. Rare that it's too, too cold, depending on the streets I'm driving (more common that it's too cold for the top down on the highway, but it has to be mid or low 20s for me to put the top up on surface streets, and while it happens, it's not an everyday winter occurrence; I've driven top down at least once every month since I bough the car). If a car's roof doesn't fold away, it's likely to be a winter car for me, so AWD is preferred, FWD is acceptable. And before the snow tire argument comes up, I don't have space to store them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on April 28, 2016, 05:01:00 am
From the dictionary:

legend:   a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical.

Kind of a poor choice of words by the guy writing the poster text.   :lol: :lol:

 :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on April 28, 2016, 07:20:46 am
Bought this for myself for my birthday:

(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0452/7569/products/never-die-print_1024x1024.jpg?v=1414692635)

Need to get it framed, and then I'll hang it.  That's next week's project. 

Is that going in front of the parking space Hector's M5 is stuck in for 3 weeks while his DSC pump is fixed? :lol: :devil:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on April 28, 2016, 07:44:32 am
Is that going in front of the parking space Hector's M5 is stuck in for 3 weeks while his DSC pump is fixed? :lol: :devil:

His legend is getting a rebuild!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on April 28, 2016, 08:03:47 am
There is an SS in my neighborhood and every time I see it I think it's a new Malibu. Chevy really needs to fix that next go round
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on April 28, 2016, 08:05:03 am
Next go around?  Yeah, I don't think there will be another for the SS
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on April 28, 2016, 08:21:12 am
I've been hearing things. Damn, they only sold 2800 of em last year though. OK, maybe not.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on April 28, 2016, 07:37:17 pm
http://www.fourwheeler.com/news/1604-the-rubicon-trail-gets-google-street-view-thanks-to-top-gear-usa/ (http://www.fourwheeler.com/news/1604-the-rubicon-trail-gets-google-street-view-thanks-to-top-gear-usa/)

Top Gear USA sent street view images of the Rubicon Trail to Google.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on April 28, 2016, 09:41:22 pm
You're blind if you think the SS looks like a Malibu
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on April 28, 2016, 09:53:26 pm
Is that going in front of the parking space Hector's M5 is stuck in for 3 weeks while his DSC pump is fixed? :lol: :devil:

Be that as it may, it has been more reliable than a certain other V8 sedan here that had to be made what......lemonade? Ouch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on April 28, 2016, 09:54:08 pm
His legend is getting a rebuild!

And it's worth it.  :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on April 29, 2016, 07:55:35 am
Huh... I thought the XT5 was built on the Alpha platform. Apparently it's built on the latest Epsilon platform, so traverse engine etc etc. Basically a fancy Acadia/SWB next gen Traverse/Enclave. Smart move by GM but another ding against the Alpha platform
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on April 29, 2016, 09:51:08 pm
I love the E36 M3.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on April 29, 2016, 10:06:34 pm
Also, in 1999, were there many cars better looking than the C5 Corvette? Roof off on the targa, that shit was beautiful. Crappy interior, but it was quick, sharp, and gorgeous to look at.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on April 30, 2016, 11:16:35 am
Saw a 1990 SHO for sale in Syracuse for $2500 on craigslist, he's offering it at $2200 to SHOforum members.

Good thing it doesn't have a sunroof, or I'd be really tempted to try to convince the wife to consider it.......    :lol:

http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/5541682390.html (http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/5541682390.html)


EDIT: also he says another guy put a deposit on it, sale pending.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on May 02, 2016, 02:32:32 pm
Pump removed, shipping it in a moment to the UK for rebuild....

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on May 03, 2016, 01:49:03 am
Well, the current car plan is:

1. Buy an Evo X or G3 Subaru STI. Once I'm working again, I can't just stop because of snow, so a winter car is first priority. Outside chance I'll get a GTI or Golf R, but both have flaws I'm looking to avoid (FWD and no sunroof, respectively). 

2. Replace Z4 3.0i with Z4M Roadster. Perhaps in a louder color, like blue.

3. Maybe go halfsies on an SUV with my brother (this could happen at any time).

Personally, I don't see the point in a fixed roof car with RWD, because if it's clear enough a day to drive RWD with no problems, it's probably also a top down day. Rare that it's too, too cold, depending on the streets I'm driving (more common that it's too cold for the top down on the highway, but it has to be mid or low 20s for me to put the top up on surface streets, and while it happens, it's not an everyday winter occurrence; I've driven top down at least once every month since I bough the car). If a car's roof doesn't fold away, it's likely to be a winter car for me, so AWD is preferred, FWD is acceptable. And before the snow tire argument comes up, I don't have space to store them.

Lots or shops or tire places will store winter tires for you, plus if it's a winter only car you could just keep them on.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 05, 2016, 07:55:22 am
Lots or shops or tire places will store winter tires for you, plus if it's a winter only car you could just keep them on.

I've done RWD in the winter, bad winters on all seasons, so it's not like I think it's impossible. FWD isn't even that much better, you can just be less careful with the throttle. But I have been seduced by the effortlessness of AWD in snow. My brother's S4, on all seasons, cuts through snow like it wasn't even there.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 05, 2016, 08:32:47 am
I've done RWD in the winter, bad winters on all seasons, so it's not like I think it's impossible. FWD isn't even that much better, you can just be less careful with the throttle. But I have been seduced by the effortlessness of AWD in snow. My brother's S4, on all seasons, cuts through snow like it wasn't even there.

The Element made me a believer.  But even the Element looks like child's play compared to the 4Runner.  Just lock that thing in 4x4 hi and blast through any snow mound :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 05, 2016, 09:31:54 am
The Element made me a believer.  But even the Element looks like child's play compared to the 4Runner.  Just lock that thing in 4x4 hi and blast through any snow mound :lol:

I could go for a lease on a Discovery Sport instead of getting an Evo/STI and kill two birds, but I don't know if I'd be happy with that. In that case, it really would never be a true replacement for daily driving the Z4. It would pretty much only be a snow/heavy rain car, I wouldn't just use it for an exceptionally cold day. Lease would make sense since I'd never drive it more than 10K a year under those circumstances and wouldn't want to keep it after the warranty.

SUVs have never been my favorite, but I can't deny their usefulness. Like when I'm doing things like driving a hundred miles to transport two chairs over two trips in my convertible.....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Laconian on May 05, 2016, 11:15:55 am
Palindromic miles!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 05, 2016, 11:31:54 am
I could go for a lease on a Discovery Sport instead of getting an Evo/STI and kill two birds, but I don't know if I'd be happy with that. In that case, it really would never be a true replacement for daily driving the Z4. It would pretty much only be a snow/heavy rain car, I wouldn't just use it for an exceptionally cold day. Lease would make sense since I'd never drive it more than 10K a year under those circumstances and wouldn't want to keep it after the warranty.

SUVs have never been my favorite, but I can't deny their usefulness. Like when I'm doing things like driving a hundred miles to transport two chairs over two trips in my convertible.....

You'd be surprised how often you'd use it if you had it available all the time.  I was surprised how often I'd be tired, or felt bad, and just wanted to take the more comfortable ride than the sports car. 

Even once I have the S2000 totally fixed up, I'll still take the 4Runner to work in the summers sometimes.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on May 13, 2016, 06:39:39 am
There has been a late model RX on the side of the highway for a few weeks now :confused:

Saw the new MKX on the road... it looks pretty good
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 13, 2016, 07:36:26 am
You'd be surprised how often you'd use it if you had it available all the time.  I was surprised how often I'd be tired, or felt bad, and just wanted to take the more comfortable ride than the sports car. 

Even once I have the S2000 totally fixed up, I'll still take the 4Runner to work in the summers sometimes.

I just don't think I could daily drive something with an automatic. They're so annoying in traffic.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on May 13, 2016, 07:48:40 am
It can be relaxing. Completely changes your mindset. When you have the "OK this is not a driver's car in any capacity" moment you let out a sigh and become a roadway civilian

I dont know that I could ever commit to such a car but when I do drive them it's a little relaxing for me.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 13, 2016, 07:54:47 am
It's a nice option to have, especially if you're going to be driving for a long time.  Stop and go traffic in a race car gets old.

The 4Runner feels like driving a relaxing tank.  I can hit potholes and rail road tracks at full speed and barely feel it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on May 13, 2016, 12:48:15 pm
It can be relaxing. Completely changes your mindset. When you have the "OK this is not a driver's car in any capacity" moment you let out a sigh and become a roadway civilian

You mean like your Civic? I totally get that.

 :evildude:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on May 13, 2016, 12:56:18 pm
When I'm driving a car with a manual, I'm more likely to adjust my schedule to avoid rush hour; with an automatic, it's not as annoying to sit through stop-and-go. Foot off the brake, foot back on the brake. Repeat a thousand times.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on May 13, 2016, 04:17:53 pm
Pssh I never mind driving a racecar in traffic (as long as it doesn't have overheating problems). Just gives people more time to admire your superiority. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on May 16, 2016, 10:41:24 am
One of my neighbors got the facelifted Exploder in forest green. It looks really good. Still too big for my tastes, and clearly a double down on the Range Rover ripoff (even though technically the current Exploder preceeded the current Range Rover), but nice. I wish they had taken the Escape in the same design direction. Maybe with the next gen.

I am really warming up to the idea of those tack on tablets in the dash. They have to be big though. If I do my stereo for Xmas I am going to make a single DIN tablet mount. Mirror it off my phone and use BT audio to a HU. 8.4" of modernity
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on May 16, 2016, 12:57:03 pm
One of my neighbors got the facelifted Exploder in forest green. It looks really good. Still too big for my tastes, and clearly a double down on the Range Rover ripoff (even though technically the current Exploder preceeded the current Range Rover), but nice. I wish they had taken the Escape in the same design direction. Maybe with the next gen.

I am really warming up to the idea of those tack on tablets in the dash. They have to be big though. If I do my stereo for Xmas I am going to make a single DIN tablet mount. Mirror it off my phone and use BT audio to a HU. 8.4" of modernity


but they did tho

(http://indianautosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/2017-Ford-Escape-Sport-Appearance-Package-front-three-quarter.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on May 16, 2016, 12:59:54 pm
I think he means the overall boxier look of the Explorer.  The Escape and Explorer look nothing alike.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 17, 2016, 06:31:06 am
When I'm driving a car with a manual, I'm more likely to adjust my schedule to avoid rush hour; with an automatic, it's not as annoying to sit through stop-and-go. Foot off the brake, foot back on the brake. Repeat a thousand times.

It's funny, to me a manual is easier in rush hour traffic. No constant creeping, you can take both your feet off the pedals on level ground, and you can move the car with just the clutch. Maybe I'm just out of practice in automatics, but I just don't like them in traffic.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on May 17, 2016, 07:08:55 am
It's funny, to me a manual is easier in rush hour traffic. No constant creeping, you can take both your feet off the pedals on level ground, and you can move the car with just the clutch. Maybe I'm just out of practice in automatics, but I just don't like them in traffic.

Well, whether you can drive with just the clutch depends on how the car's gearing agrees with the acceleration rates and speeds of the cars around you. At least for me, sometimes it works, often it doesn't. And I'll have my foot on the brake regardless at a stop.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on May 17, 2016, 07:36:27 am
I think he means the overall boxier look of the Explorer.  The Escape and Explorer look nothing alike.
Yea I don't like the Escape's greenhouse. Looks like a RAV4 which sucks. Much prefer the store brand Range Rover look of the Exploder
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 17, 2016, 07:41:50 am
What's everyone's thoughts on the R53 Mini Cooper S?  They're dropping to really reasonable prices, they're fun as hell to drive.  I can't imagine they're going to depreciate much more.  Seems like they wouldn't be a bad buy to have around as a grocery getter.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on May 17, 2016, 07:45:09 am
What's everyone's thoughts on the R53 Mini Cooper S?  They're dropping to really reasonable prices, they're fun as hell to drive.  I can't imagine they're going to depreciate much more.  Seems like they wouldn't be a bad buy to have around as a grocery getter.



It will bankrupt you.


Get the one after it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on May 17, 2016, 07:46:19 am
you want a 3rd car?  The 4Runner will tackle the hairiest of parking lots perfectly.

The R53's supercharger is only good for about 100-150k miles, engine mounts blow, and the thermostat housing goes bad leaking coolant.  Windshields and window motors need replacement a lot too. 

Fun as hell to drive though
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on May 17, 2016, 07:53:42 am
The one after it is also more comfortable to drive, but you'd have three cars.



If you want a fun FWD hatchback for nothing, SVT focus or bust
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 17, 2016, 08:08:42 am
They're that bad?  Wow, didn't realize that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on May 17, 2016, 08:36:38 am
2001 Integra GS-R would deliver all the thrills with none of the headache

SVT Focus could work if you can look past the interior. It looks like a 3D rendering that lost its reference points.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on May 17, 2016, 08:56:05 am
They're that bad?  Wow, didn't realize that.

Just get one from CarMax with a warrantee haha

I don't even know if CarMax keeps older cars
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 17, 2016, 09:14:14 am
It loses its appeal when you say the reliability is so bad that it's worth getting from carmax.

It's no longer a cheap idea anymore :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 17, 2016, 09:25:38 am
It loses its appeal when you say the reliability is so bad that it's worth getting from carmax.

It's no longer a cheap idea anymore :lol:

who cares if CarMax pays??    :lol:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 17, 2016, 11:05:51 am
Buying something that cheap from carmax and then adding in a warranty just about doubled the price.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 17, 2016, 12:28:43 pm
Buying something that cheap from carmax and then adding in a warranty just about doubled the price.

but Quadrupled the fun    :rockon:  :rockon:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 18, 2016, 07:26:28 am
$$$ doesn't equal fun necessarily.

In other funny pricing news:  You can get a Nissan Leaf with 20k miles for around $7k-$8k :wtf:  The incentives made for all sorts of wacky lease deals.  If the range was 110-120 miles, I would pull the trigger immediately.  88 is pushing it though.  Work is 66 miles round trip.

And now Colorado just implemented a $5,000 incentive on every electric car sold.  That, plus $7500 for the federal deal, and the whole used market for Ford Fusion Energi and Chevy Volts is going to be bizarre in a year or two.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 18, 2016, 07:29:43 am
hmmm..... 

My commute is 2miles 3x per day
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 18, 2016, 08:25:29 am
hmmm..... 

My commute is 2miles 3x per day

Don't you have an Odyssey, and your wife has some sort of Subaru hatch?

Do you still have that subaru you had too, or is that gone now?

EDIT:  Oh, just saw your sig.  I have sigs turned off.  Anyways, if you were looking for a 3rd car, I'd go find the cheapest leaf I could possible find.  Not necessarily to save gas, but the wear and tear of doing 2 miles journeys over and over isn't great for a car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 18, 2016, 08:59:55 am
Don't you have an Odyssey, and your wife has some sort of Subaru hatch?

Do you still have that subaru you had too, or is that gone now?

EDIT:  Oh, just saw your sig.  I have sigs turned off.  Anyways, if you were looking for a 3rd car, I'd go find the cheapest leaf I could possible find.  Not necessarily to save gas, but the wear and tear of doing 2 miles journeys over and over isn't great for a car.

I'm not actively looking for a car, but I kinda want one. Miata is my dream but not the most common-sense solution. :mrcool:   Agree on wear and tear: wife drives Subie about 10miles one way every day. I take van on longer trips, as it is meant to be the family vehicle, but it's a drag to drive around local.
(We put almost 20k miles on Odyssey from Feb 2015 (purchase) to now. Part of that was the drive up from SC when we moved.)

Should have kept Legacy but wife for some reason gets anxious about multiple cars. :huh:  When we still had 4 (old white van, 2 Subies, Odyssey,) she literally was up late thinking about them sometimes. We have liability only on all of them, so older ones are like $20/month to keep. :huh: 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 18, 2016, 09:48:59 am
End of Fuji Heavy Industries...   ;)

http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Subaru-maker-finally-set-to-change-company-name-to-Subaru (http://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Subaru-maker-finally-set-to-change-company-name-to-Subaru)

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 18, 2016, 01:46:59 pm
What's everyone's thoughts on the R53 Mini Cooper S?  They're dropping to really reasonable prices, they're fun as hell to drive.  I can't imagine they're going to depreciate much more.  Seems like they wouldn't be a bad buy to have around as a grocery getter.

Want.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 18, 2016, 01:48:07 pm
2001 Integra GS-R would deliver all the thrills with none of the headache

Except it'll get stolen all the time.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 18, 2016, 01:49:20 pm
Saw a few Discovery Sports downtown today. It's so nice. Maybe I'll get that right out of school (my brother and I are planning to split a lease anyway) and wait on a sporty "winter" car. Just keep driving the Z4 daily and take the Discovery when it's snowing or below 40F or so.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 18, 2016, 01:56:51 pm
Wouldn't your brother also want to use it when it's snowy?  Seems like it would sit, and then you would both be fighting over it :lol:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 18, 2016, 02:51:27 pm
Wouldn't your brother also want to use it when it's snowy?  Seems like it would sit, and then you would both be fighting over it :lol:

Nah, his daily is AWD. He's got an S4, looking into getting another one or an S6. If there's enough snow that his car can't get through, he'll work from home. The SUV's appeal for him is the utility, for the weekends.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 18, 2016, 03:07:04 pm
He isn't adding a whole lot of utility by getting a Discovery Sport.  Those are pretty small.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 18, 2016, 03:18:49 pm
He isn't adding a whole lot of utility by getting a Discovery Sport.  Those are pretty small.

It's a midsize SUV. It can hold a hell of a lot more than his S4. Must I remind you of how I had to transport the chairs because they wouldn't go in his car?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 18, 2016, 03:46:02 pm
Hmm, a barebones RR Sport isn't that expensive...and still well equipped, and nearly a second faster to 60 than the Discovery.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on May 18, 2016, 03:50:26 pm
A Disco Sport will be about the same size inside as a Ford Escape, if not smaller. But will be more expensive for no reason at all.....


If you're going to get a damn RR, get an Evoque, at least. The Disco Sport (at least in pics) looks cheap and nasty inside and out.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 18, 2016, 03:52:11 pm
A Disco Sport will be about the same size inside as a Ford Escape, if not smaller. But will be more expensive for no reason at all.....


If you're going to get a damn RR, get an Evoque, at least. The Disco Sport (at least in pics) looks cheap and nasty inside and out.

The Evoque is the Camaro of SUVs. Can't see out of the damn thing. No windows. To me, the Discovery looks awesome.

Haven't been in it yet to check out the interior.

Also, I don't know how big an Escape is. To me all SUVs are huge, though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 18, 2016, 05:01:40 pm
To me all SUVs are huge, though.

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on May 20, 2016, 05:54:48 am
:lol:

They are! I'll be parked in a lot and not be able to see my car, think to myself "Oh, it's behind this giant car, that's why I can't see it" and the giant car will be like a G37.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 20, 2016, 06:45:39 am
They are! I'll be parked in a lot and not be able to see my car, think to myself "Oh, it's behind this giant car, that's why I can't see it" and the giant car will be like a G37.

LOL

My wife's car doesn't get lost because it's bright red.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 20, 2016, 08:48:51 am
Guys, you can get a Cadillac ELR with like 10k miles for under $35k now.  Someone buy one as an investment.  It's a future classic!  They barely sold any!  And that interior is my baby that I worked on for months.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on May 20, 2016, 09:38:07 am
Like I said on TTAC... would have been a totally different story if GM had put Alpha money into making the ELR a ~$50K 5 seat PHEV sedan. Ring tune and Brembo Brakes™ be damned... people want a store brand Tesla way more than a store brand E46 328i
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 20, 2016, 09:42:52 am
The ELR was in a cost death spiral from the get go.  The volume was simply too small to amortize the tooling and equipment needed to create a vehicle with totally unique body panels and interior.

As the volume goes down, the price goes up, which makes the volume go down, etc.  The actual engineering required for the powertrain was minimal.  It was just a Volt with a pretty face.  A very expensive pretty face.

But that car will always have a special spot in my heart.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on May 20, 2016, 09:57:28 am
Like I said on TTAC... would have been a totally different story if GM had put Alpha money into making the ELR a ~$50K 5 seat PHEV sedan. Ring tune and Brembo Brakes™ be damned... people want a store brand Tesla way more than a store brand E46 328i


I feel like Volt II is a better base. Better range, as well as more workable batteries. The T shaped battery of the old car took up a lot of space.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on May 20, 2016, 10:51:27 am
Yeah, ELR was delayed a couple of times, and then they cut the product life because it started butting up against the release of the 2nd gen Volt (D2JCI platform).  They knew it'd make the ELR look even more overpriced.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on May 20, 2016, 11:07:51 am
My car is still doing weird shit, but it's generally good so I'm just going to accept it as a 'quirk'.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on May 20, 2016, 11:14:18 am
My car is still doing weird shit, but it's generally good so I'm just going to accept it as a 'quirk'.

what kinda weird??

I got blips when driving every now and again, which turned into "won't start sometimes" which evolved into "won't start at all".
It was a crankshaft sensor.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on May 20, 2016, 01:04:20 pm
Repaired M5 ABS/DSC pump arrived last night from England. Getting installed later today.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on May 20, 2016, 02:33:30 pm
Sweet, that was fast
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on May 25, 2016, 07:12:33 pm
Sweet, that was fast

Yes, thank you.

It actually took 3 home visits by my indy mechanic friends to finally get the rebuilt pump installed and the brakes bled correctly. It was finally ready yesterday. All faults gone, ABS/DSC works again.

My total spend for this problem ended up being about US$900 including everything. It is money but not bad at all for V10 goodness. This problem at the dealer or even at the indy if I got a new pump would have cost in excess of US$4,000 so I am very happy. This is the first non-regular-maintenance spend I've had for the M5 in the two years I've had it so pretty good so far!

As always with an E60 M5, fingers continue crossed - forever.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on May 25, 2016, 07:19:01 pm
Wow, that's downright cheap.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on May 25, 2016, 07:32:38 pm
Wow, that's downright cheap.

Srsly
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on May 25, 2016, 09:42:33 pm
Avocados from Mexeeeco!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on June 10, 2016, 05:00:41 pm
Saw this ad and thought, man they have really taken the 911 out of the 911. If not for the snub nose it could pass for front engined. Gorgeous... maybe achingly so, but not weird like the old ones.

(http://i.imgur.com/pbBhivf.png)

When I Googled the tagline and got back a bunch of 9/11 photos I thought "waw what terrible ad copy, who greenlighted that"
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on June 10, 2016, 05:32:35 pm
Looks like a 911 to me... Pretty much the same since the '90s.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on June 10, 2016, 05:44:20 pm
Looks like a 911 to me... Pretty much the same since the '90s.
Yeah. Just bigger but the proportions are right.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on June 10, 2016, 05:58:18 pm
The butt seems a bit longer than the old ones.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on June 13, 2016, 04:58:38 am
If not for the snub nose it could pass for front engined.

If not for being red, santa claus could pass for being blue. 

wat

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on June 13, 2016, 05:23:16 am
If not for being red, santa claus could pass for being blue. 

wat



And depending on the price it could be a good deal
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on June 26, 2016, 09:57:21 am
Club meet today....

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160626/faccad6d1582413f13b201705c91fbbe.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160626/905779e29697c3034c8d6d58ed00b1e8.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on June 30, 2016, 03:46:46 pm
If you drive a Honda or Acura, don't ever get into an accident...Stop driving these Hondas right now, says regulator (http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/30/autos/takata-honda-airbag-warning/index.html)

Quote
Federal safety regulators warned owners of more than 300,000 Hondas and Acuras to immediately stop driving their cars until their Takata airbags are replaced.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said new tests show the airbags have a 50% chance of exploding when deployed in an accident -- compared to a 1% chance for other airbags.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on June 30, 2016, 10:48:31 pm
My mom just got her's in her Legacy replaced.  The problem is these parts aren't readily available.  My mom took her car in for them to check if it was affected and it took over a month to get the new airbag in.  Not everyone can just "stop" driving their cars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 01, 2016, 11:05:59 am
+1 we got a call from Georgia Subaru about 4 months after we first visited them about it and a month after we moved to NY.

LUCKY our Odyssey just barely missed the cut
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 01, 2016, 11:50:38 am
That Tesla "auto-pilot" crash.

"The fatal crash occurred on May 7, in Williston, Florida, when the victim Joshua D. Brown of Canton, Ohio, was watching Harry Potter in his Tesla Model S, when the self-driving car collided into a tractor-trailer making a left turn at a highway intersection, says ABC. 

The Model S went underneath the trailer, shearing off the roof of the vehicle.

"What we know is that the vehicle was on a divided highway with Autopilot engaged when a tractor trailer drove across the highway perpendicular to the Model S," Tesla said in a statement on their website. "Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake was not applied." "

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2016/07/01/the-first-death-involving-a-self-driving-car-occurred-in-florida (http://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2016/07/01/the-first-death-involving-a-self-driving-car-occurred-in-florida)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 01, 2016, 04:17:51 pm
Don't call it Autopilot if, you know, it doesn't do that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on July 01, 2016, 05:28:57 pm
Don't call it Autopilot if, you know, it doesn't do that.

It auto-piloted itself right into the side of a truck it didn't see, perfectly simulating what a human driver who isn't looking at the road would do.


If you don't want to drive yourself, call a cab/Uber/Lyft or take public transit.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 01, 2016, 05:45:52 pm
perfectly simulating what a human driver who isn't looking at the road would do.

LOL
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 04, 2016, 04:30:28 am
Don't call it Autopilot if, you know, it doesn't do that.

So we should change the name for planes too huh?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 04, 2016, 05:42:17 am
So we should change the name for planes too huh?

We don't in general let every random jackass who can pass an eye test fly airplanes.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 04, 2016, 05:52:07 am
Autotune is Autotune whether a skilled producer or total novice is using it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 04, 2016, 07:30:42 am
Autotune is Autotune whether a skilled producer or total novice is using it.

Knowing when and under what situations to use it and the limitations of it are another thing entirely.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 04, 2016, 09:06:13 am
So we should change the name for planes too huh?

Yes.

(Also, no. Aren't autopilot systems in planes so advanced that they can essentially take off, fly, and land without pilot intervention to the point that planes are safer without pilots?)
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 04, 2016, 09:35:52 am
Yes.

(Also, no. Aren't autopilot systems in planes so advanced that they can essentially take off, fly, and land without pilot intervention to the point that planes are safer without pilots?)


No, it's not like that at all.

Now we know what happened to that Malasian vanishing plane. Pilot was watching Harry Potter and not paying attention.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 04, 2016, 05:02:15 pm
Placed a refundable deposit on this today: http://auto.autoplaza.com.mx/MLM-561413184-porsche-911-2p-carrera-2s-_JM (http://auto.autoplaza.com.mx/MLM-561413184-porsche-911-2p-carrera-2s-_JM)

It would replace the E46. I drove it last Saturday. It's mint. Has only 3K miles on it. A bit expensive, but sold by a Porsche dealer.

Manual 997.2 S cars are very rare here, the vast majority are PDK. Car has very little extra equipment: sunroof, ventilated & heated seats, BOSE sound, Sport Chrono. (No sports exhaust - but it sounds good anyway)

Would you get this or wait a year and *maybe* get a new 991.2 Base Carrera (the new turbo) for about 65% more money? Wait and get a used (2012 or 2013) 991.1 Carrera S maybe a bit later (A 991.1S is about 30% more money)?

No warranty. I've researched the 997.2 and it seems to be reliable. Too low mileage maybe?

It would be driven on track (of course) and the occasional weekend. I'd get a set of Pilot Sport Cup 2s and call it a day.

I have 5 days to make up my mind.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on July 04, 2016, 05:10:53 pm
Yes, that's the idea. It's about time I'm not the only Porsche owner here!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 04, 2016, 05:22:37 pm
Yes, that's the idea. It's about time I'm not the only Porsche owner here!

 :lol:

This car seems to be a find, very few 997.2s available. And none even close to this mileage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 04, 2016, 05:31:06 pm
That seems like a better deal than waiting for a 991. The 991 doesn't seem to be different enough or measurably better to justify the increased cost.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 04, 2016, 05:32:40 pm
Placed a refundable deposit on this today: http://auto.autoplaza.com.mx/MLM-561413184-porsche-911-2p-carrera-2s-_JM (http://auto.autoplaza.com.mx/MLM-561413184-porsche-911-2p-carrera-2s-_JM)

It would replace the E46. I drove it last Saturday. It's mint. Has only 3K miles on it. A bit expensive, but sold by a Porsche dealer.

Manual 997.2 S cars are very rare here, the vast majority are PDK. Car has very little extra equipment: sunroof, ventilated & heated seats, BOSE sound, Sport Chrono. (No sports exhaust - but it sounds good anyway)

Would you get this or wait a year and *maybe* get a new 991.2 Base Carrera (the new turbo) for about 65% more money? Wait and get a used (2012 or 2013) 991.1 Carrera S maybe a bit later (A 991.1S is about 30% more money)?

No warranty. I've researched the 997.2 and it seems to be reliable. Too low mileage maybe?

It would be driven on track (of course) and the occasional weekend. I'd get a set of Pilot Sport Cup 2s and call it a day.

I have 5 days to make up my mind.
Now you can really test your driving limits.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 04, 2016, 05:37:41 pm
That seems like a better deal than waiting for a 991. The 991 doesn't seem to be different enough or measurably better to justify the increased cost.

The 991 performs better and has a much nicer interior. But it also seems to be more of a GT car and less raw than the 997. 997 might be more fun.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 04, 2016, 05:39:14 pm
Now you can really test your driving limits.

Dat ass. We'll see. Even on the brief test drive you can feel the nose lighten under acceleration significantly. I'll have to adjust, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 04, 2016, 05:58:36 pm
Yes, that's the idea. It's about time I'm not the only Porsche owner here!

I was first.  :devil:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 04, 2016, 06:01:29 pm
:lol:

This car seems to be a find, very few 997.2s available. And none even close to this mileage.

That's a good deal for that little mileage. And you won't lose much by driving it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 04, 2016, 06:01:53 pm
The 991 performs better and has a much nicer interior. But it also seems to be more of a GT car and less raw than the 997. 997 might be more fun.

997 looks better too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 04, 2016, 06:05:17 pm
That's a good deal for that little mileage. And you won't lose much by driving it.

That's the thing. Beyond the initial purchase cost, buying a used one like this one will be a much lower expense over time. I figure this thing will depreciate 5 to 10% per year tops. Maybe 10% the first year because I am paying a bit of a premium buying at a dealer. A new one loses 15-25% at least driving out of the lot.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 04, 2016, 06:22:37 pm
I would test drive a 991.2 before making the decision if you can.

For all the hulabaloo about the turbocharging, with your altitude that boost may prove to be invaluable. Plus you will be able to equip the new one exactly as you please etc.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 04, 2016, 07:10:07 pm
I would test drive a 991.2 before making the decision if you can.

For all the hulabaloo about the turbocharging, with your altitude that boost may prove to be invaluable. Plus you will be able to equip the new one exactly as you please etc.

Not a bad point. The cost difference even vs a base 991.2 is quite large. Above 70% initial outlay and the depreciation hit. How much more fun can it be?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 04, 2016, 07:42:01 pm
If I lived way above sea level a turbo would be a must.

The depreciation is a big deal though. If not for that I feel like the 991.2 could possibly replace the E46 AND 1M.

Have you replaced wifey's Cooper yet? You should be shopping for Macans and X5s :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 04, 2016, 07:49:11 pm
If I lived way above sea level a turbo would be a must.

The depreciation is a big deal though. If not for that I feel like the 991.2 could possibly replace the E46 AND 1M.

Have you replaced wifey's Cooper yet? You should be shopping for Macans and X5s :lol:

You're right that a 991 could replace both by any objective measure, but I really love the 1M.

Wife is due for a new car as soon as the Cooper's warranty expires in about 10 months. Probably an X1.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on July 04, 2016, 08:06:07 pm
I was first.  :devil:

But I used my own money.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 04, 2016, 08:19:56 pm
But I used my own money.

All the more impressive for me, then. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 04, 2016, 09:38:34 pm
Placed a refundable deposit on this today: http://auto.autoplaza.com.mx/MLM-561413184-porsche-911-2p-carrera-2s-_JM (http://auto.autoplaza.com.mx/MLM-561413184-porsche-911-2p-carrera-2s-_JM)

It would replace the E46. I drove it last Saturday. It's mint. Has only 3K miles on it. A bit expensive, but sold by a Porsche dealer.

Manual 997.2 S cars are very rare here, the vast majority are PDK. Car has very little extra equipment: sunroof, ventilated & heated seats, BOSE sound, Sport Chrono. (No sports exhaust - but it sounds good anyway)

Would you get this or wait a year and *maybe* get a new 991.2 Base Carrera (the new turbo) for about 65% more money? Wait and get a used (2012 or 2013) 991.1 Carrera S maybe a bit later (A 991.1S is about 30% more money)?

No warranty. I've researched the 997.2 and it seems to be reliable. Too low mileage maybe?

It would be driven on track (of course) and the occasional weekend. I'd get a set of Pilot Sport Cup 2s and call it a day.

I have 5 days to make up my mind.


Drive this and wait until a 991.2 Carrera is in the budget.  Cash in on some Porsche purist still wanting to pay too much for your hydraulic steering car and enjoy that turbo power.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 04, 2016, 09:40:11 pm

Drive this and wait until a 991.2 Carrera is in the budget.  Cash in on some Porsche purist still wanting to pay too much for your hydraulic steering car and enjoy that turbo power.

+1
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 04, 2016, 09:40:49 pm
Knowing when and under what situations to use it and the limitations of it are another thing entirely.

All of which is stated by the car when the OWNER enables autopilot, which is turned off/locked when one purchases their car.


EDIT:  @MCM3 watch for the new episode of MT Ignition in a couple weeks.  It's a review of the base 991.2 with manual trans and they loved it.  Matt Farrah also loved his 991.2 C4 S test car saying he would basically not be able to buy a 991.1 now if street driving is part of the occasion.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on July 04, 2016, 09:44:53 pm
All of which is stated by the car when the OWNER enables autopilot, which is turned off/locked when one purchases their car.

You think anybody actually reads those warnings?  Lazy guy wants autopilot, he hits the button, warning pops up, he immediately looks for the "accept" or "acknowledge" button without reading warning, pops Harry Potter in the DVD player, slams into tractor trailer.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 04, 2016, 09:47:15 pm
You think anybody actually reads those warnings?  Lazy guy wants autopilot, he hits the button, warning pops up, he immediately looks for the "accept" or "acknowledge" button without reading warning, pops Harry Potter in the DVD player, slams into tractor trailer.

Doesn't mean the name "Autopilot" is incorrect or false advertisement, especially considering the warnings do claim it's still in beta testing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on July 05, 2016, 01:43:16 am
It's not the fault of the name, but it's still a poor name.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on July 05, 2016, 01:55:45 am
All the more impressive for me, then. :ohyeah:

Well, it was very lucky and quite a privilege, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 05, 2016, 07:05:14 am

Drive this and wait until a 991.2 Carrera is in the budget.  Cash in on some Porsche purist still wanting to pay too much for your hydraulic steering car and enjoy that turbo power.
Damn I like the way you think bro. Good looking out on that Ignition episode too. God Jason Cammisa is so fucking annoying. But I'm curious to hear their assessment.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 05, 2016, 07:11:42 am
All of which is stated by the car when the OWNER enables autopilot, which is turned off/locked when one purchases their car.


EDIT:  @MCM3 watch for the new episode of MT Ignition in a couple weeks.  It's a review of the base 991.2 with manual trans and they loved it.  Matt Farrah also loved his 991.2 C4 S test car saying he would basically not be able to buy a 991.1 now if street driving is part of the occasion.

Legal boilerplate is not a substitute for training and experience.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on July 05, 2016, 07:26:27 am
It's not the fault of the name, but it's still a poor name.

I'm pretty sure aircraft autopilot doesn't include obstacle evasion or collision avoidance.  Granted, there's a lot less to hit in the sky relative to the volume of traversable space.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 05, 2016, 07:46:43 am
Couldn't sleep last night. Strong case of cognitive dissonance about the P-Car purchase.

Decided to call it off. Maybe in the future. I decided to be financially more conservative for the time being with baby, house, etc. Will work hard and aim for a 991.2 by my birthday next year.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 05, 2016, 07:51:51 am
You're right that a 991 could replace both by any objective measure, but I really love the 1M.

Wife is due for a new car as soon as the Cooper's warranty expires in about 10 months. Probably an X1.
I don't know if an infant seat will fit in an X1..... good luck.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 05, 2016, 07:55:35 am
Couldn't sleep last night. Strong case of cognitive dissonance about the P-Car purchase.

Decided to call it off. Maybe in the future. I decided to be financially more conservative for the time being with baby, house, etc. Will work hard and aim for a 991.2 by my birthday next year.

Booooo :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 05, 2016, 08:33:47 am
All of which is stated by the car when the OWNER enables autopilot, which is turned off/locked when one purchases their car.

Clickwrap.  Do you know what you agree to on a daily basis and what you consent to and what you're informed of?

Have you ever read your iTunes agreement?  Clicked Agree on anything without reading the whole million pages of fine print?  That shit happens daily. 

7500 people signed over their soul to a British company to get a video game and a £5 voucher.  The company estimated that 88% of customers didn't read it (it was a checkbox). 

"By placing an order via this Web site on the first day of the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a non transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul. Should We wish to exercise this option, you agree to surrender your immortal soul, and any claim you may have on it, within 5 (five) working days of receiving written notification from gamesation.co.uk or one of its duly authorized minions."

No one reads this shit. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 05, 2016, 08:34:29 am
Well, it was very lucky and quite a privilege, that's for sure.

I'll take that. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 05, 2016, 08:35:02 am
I don't know if an infant seat will fit in an X1..... good luck.

My neighbors have a rear facing child seat in the back of their CLA.  :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 05, 2016, 08:36:29 am
Couldn't sleep last night. Strong case of cognitive dissonance about the P-Car purchase.

Decided to call it off. Maybe in the future. I decided to be financially more conservative for the time being with baby, house, etc. Will work hard and aim for a 991.2 by my birthday next year.

If it didn't feel right, you were probably better off not doing it.  You don't want to be in a position where in six months, you had to sell because of something unforeseen.  I mean, I know 6 months is generally the maximum H goes without buying or selling a car, but don't worry about it. 

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 05, 2016, 08:39:09 am
If it didn't feel right, you were probably better off not doing it.  You don't want to be in a position where in six months, you had to sell because of something unforeseen.  I mean, I know 6 months is generally the maximum H goes without buying or selling a car, but don't worry about it. 




Exactly. A 911 is basically an exotic down here. It sends the wrong message at this time. We are on the way to some success but not there yet. I figured I was counting my chickens before they roosted.

Better to wait until I can make a purchase like this 100% guilt-free.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 05, 2016, 09:32:02 am

Exactly. A 911 is basically an exotic down here. It sends the wrong message at this time. We are on the way to some success but not there yet. I figured I was counting my chickens before they roosted.

Better to wait until I can make a purchase like this 100% guilt-free.

Shoot for 80%.  Nothing 100% guilt free is worth doing.  Broccoli is 100% guilt free and broccoli sucks.  :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 05, 2016, 09:37:08 am
Shoot for 80%.  Nothing 100% guilt free is worth doing.  Broccoli is 100% guilt free and broccoli sucks.  :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 05, 2016, 02:12:28 pm
In BMW's Build Your Own tool, Carbon Fiber Mirror Caps are listed under Performance Options.  Add a lot of performance, do they?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on July 05, 2016, 07:07:35 pm
I'm pretty sure aircraft autopilot doesn't include obstacle evasion or collision avoidance.  Granted, there's a lot less to hit in the sky relative to the volume of traversable space.

Pilots also have many many hours of training and testing before they can fly a plane unsupervised. Not so with drivers.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on July 06, 2016, 04:33:32 am
I'm pretty sure aircraft autopilot doesn't include obstacle evasion or collision avoidance.  Granted, there's a lot less to hit in the sky relative to the volume of traversable space.

They have had auto collision avoidance (with other aircraft) for around 10 years now.


As for Tesla, this is what Tesla still writes about the autopilot on their website. "Dramatically improve the convenience and enjoyment of road trips and your commute by automatically piloting Model S at highway speeds and stop and go traffic."

At best this is false advertisement. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on July 06, 2016, 04:39:21 am
They have had auto collision avoidance (with other aircraft) for around 10 years now.


As for Tesla, this is what Tesla still writes about the autopilot on their website. "Dramatically improve the convenience and enjoyment of road trips and your commute by automatically piloting Model S at highway speeds and stop and go traffic."

At best this is false advertisement. 

Will it avoid other aircraft?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 06, 2016, 04:52:00 am
My friend just had an issue with the ignition coil and ignition lead on his Polo GTI (recent model, maybe 2-3 years old). They covered the coil, but he had to pay for the lead (£70 for the lead, the coil would have been £310). This was an issue on my 1.8T Passat. This issue still hasn't been fixed?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 06, 2016, 04:52:58 am
Will it avoid other aircraft?

Yes, assuming that aircraft is also in stop and go traffic.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on July 06, 2016, 04:58:15 am
Will it avoid other aircraft?

Yes. It was first introduced with the A380 but is now available on other aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/how-the-autopilotflight-director-tcas-works-327318/ (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/how-the-autopilotflight-director-tcas-works-327318/)

"The Airbus solution is to integrate the TCAS resolution advisory with the flight director and the autopilot, so if the autopilot is engaged it will fly the resolution advisory, and if it is not the pilots have only to follow the flight director - with which they are totally familiar - to carry out a successful manoeuvre."
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 06, 2016, 05:01:24 am
I love the A380
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on July 06, 2016, 05:19:02 am
Yes. It was first introduced with the A380 but is now available on other aircraft.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/how-the-autopilotflight-director-tcas-works-327318/ (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/how-the-autopilotflight-director-tcas-works-327318/)

"The Airbus solution is to integrate the TCAS resolution advisory with the flight director and the autopilot, so if the autopilot is engaged it will fly the resolution advisory, and if it is not the pilots have only to follow the flight director - with which they are totally familiar - to carry out a successful manoeuvre."

Of course, TCAS only works if both planes have transponders.  It doesn't use radar or visual data to determine an imminent collision and adjust accordingly.  I also believe that autopilot will fly a plane straight into the side of a mountain if left unattended.

Regardless, "autopilot" has been around for decades without any sort of collision avoidance.  It was still called "autopilot".
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 06, 2016, 06:19:38 am
My friend just had an issue with the ignition coil and ignition lead on his Polo GTI (recent model, maybe 2-3 years old). They covered the coil, but he had to pay for the lead (£70 for the lead, the coil would have been £310). This was an issue on my 1.8T Passat. This issue still hasn't been fixed?
The more exciting the technical challenge the better Germans are at it. This is why only until very recently they struggled with shit like cooling systems and window regulators. That's the kid of stuff they put engineers on probation on.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 06, 2016, 06:42:20 am
The more exciting the technical challenge the better Germans are at it. This is why only until very recently they struggled with shit like cooling systems and window regulators. That's the kid of stuff they put engineers on probation on.

Haha, that feels so true.

He did correct me.  It's a 1.2TSI, not a GTI.  I wonder if that's at all related to the old 1.8T; at least the coil packs, anyway. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 06, 2016, 02:05:58 pm
Probably ly not, but the Germans can't do coilpacks.  They just can't.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on July 06, 2016, 02:18:57 pm
Coil packs, man.  How do those work?  :rastaman:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 06, 2016, 02:51:09 pm
All of which is stated by the car when the OWNER enables autopilot, which is turned off/locked when one purchases their car.


EDIT:  @MCM3 watch for the new episode of MT Ignition in a couple weeks.  It's a review of the base 991.2 with manual trans and they loved it.  Matt Farrah also loved his 991.2 C4 S test car saying he would basically not be able to buy a 991.1 now if street driving is part of the occasion.

This C&D 991.2 base Carrera review just came out. The performance is extremely impressive.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-porsche-911-carrera-test-review (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2017-porsche-911-carrera-test-review)

Considering this is basically the same price as an M3/M4 down here, it looks like a no brainer over those (except for the practicality aspects).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 06, 2016, 06:23:04 pm
Wow, that is serious performance. Jeez. This thing is like a cough slower and WAY grippier than a 458 Italia. Sounds and looks better too IMO. They are not playing around bros.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 06, 2016, 06:31:24 pm
Wow, that is serious performance. Jeez. This thing is like a cough slower and WAY grippier than a 458 Italia. Sounds and looks better too IMO. They are not playing around bros.
Yeah. It's a big leap over the 991.1

They found it faster than a 991.1 GTS.

I figure in a 991.2 S I'd be easily faster than all the GT3s / GT3 RSs at the club. Heck, I'd probably be faster than anything this side of a racecar/488/McLaren/Turbo.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 06, 2016, 07:06:29 pm
O you would definitely curb stomp any naturally aspirated 911 up there short of a fully built race car. No question about that. Just a question of if you can stomach either the sunk cost or waiting. You just know these things are going to be like 1/2 the price in 3-4 years, and every bit as good.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 08, 2016, 10:59:31 pm
My "track" rims have been on the 1M for a long time now. Tonight I decided I wanted to get the OEM ones back on for a while since there won't be any track events for the next couple of rims.

Mission aborted after I spent more than an hour trying to remove a front spacer that won't budge. I hammered it with a flathead screwdriver trying to wedge it between spacer and hub. I also couldn't find any WD-40.

So gave up for tonight. Will probably take it during the week to a tire shop.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 09, 2016, 12:37:26 pm
Never sieze !
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 10, 2016, 08:06:05 pm
Take a wild guess....

(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_20160710_143003_zps222idecj.jpg)
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/IMG_20160710_143823_zpsideokmfl.jpg)

This happened only 240 miles from my home. You can imagine. Had the car on a flatbed to the dealer there.

Doesn't look good........

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 10, 2016, 09:37:35 pm
SMG?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 10, 2016, 09:45:47 pm
SMG?
Aka "Red Cog of Death"

Tranny stuck in neutral, car won't start.

I've been obsessively researching this on forums the past couple of hours. Conclusion is I can't really tell until codes are read tomorrow.

Could be anything between a bad battery (cheap) and a new hydraulic pump (GTFO expensive) with lots of in-between possibilities.

The silver lining here is that a club friend immediately suggested a specialist Indy shop that has fixed successfully his M5's transmission before and that is *only* 120 miles from where the car is now, halfway to Mexico City.

I'll decide tomorrow if I leave it at the dealer where it is or ship it to that other place.

I knew this could/would happen eventually but it still sucks big time. I love that car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: mzziaz on July 11, 2016, 02:56:12 am
Aka "Red Cog of Death"

Tranny stuck in neutral, car won't start.

I've been obsessively researching this on forums the past couple of hours. Conclusion is I can't really tell until codes are read tomorrow.

Could be anything between a bad battery (cheap) and a new hydraulic pump (GTFO expensive) with lots of in-between possibilities.

The silver lining here is that a club friend immediately suggested a specialist Indy shop that has fixed successfully his M5's transmission before and that is *only* 120 miles from where the car is now, halfway to Mexico City.

I'll decide tomorrow if I leave it at the dealer where it is or ship it to that other place.

I knew this could/would happen eventually but it still sucks big time. I love that car.
Crossing my fingers for it being something cheap
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 11, 2016, 08:11:26 am
Crossing my fingers for it being something cheap
Thanks!

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 11, 2016, 08:53:32 am
Aka "Red Cog of Death"

Tranny stuck in neutral, car won't start.

I've been obsessively researching this on forums the past couple of hours. Conclusion is I can't really tell until codes are read tomorrow.

Could be anything between a bad battery (cheap) and a new hydraulic pump (GTFO expensive) with lots of in-between possibilities.

The silver lining here is that a club friend immediately suggested a specialist Indy shop that has fixed successfully his M5's transmission before and that is *only* 120 miles from where the car is now, halfway to Mexico City.

I'll decide tomorrow if I leave it at the dealer where it is or ship it to that other place.

I knew this could/would happen eventually but it still sucks big time. I love that car.

 :(
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 11, 2016, 09:50:22 am
Aka "Red Cog of Death"

Tranny stuck in neutral, car won't start.

I've been obsessively researching this on forums the past couple of hours. Conclusion is I can't really tell until codes are read tomorrow.

Could be anything between a bad battery (cheap) and a new hydraulic pump (GTFO expensive) with lots of in-between possibilities.

The silver lining here is that a club friend immediately suggested a specialist Indy shop that has fixed successfully his M5's transmission before and that is *only* 120 miles from where the car is now, halfway to Mexico City.

I'll decide tomorrow if I leave it at the dealer where it is or ship it to that other place.

I knew this could/would happen eventually but it still sucks big time. I love that car.
Just wondered, did this happen after you were parked and went to start it again, or on the move?

Hope it isn't too expensive.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 11, 2016, 10:38:24 am
Just wondered, did this happen after you were parked and went to start it again, or on the move?

Hope it isn't too expensive.

Thanks. Copy / paste of my m5board post:

Hi,

Car is at the dealer getting codes pulled. I decided on starting a thread just to describe my exact symptoms and - hopefully eventual - solution as this gets worked out.

* I've searched and I know at this point it can be any of a myriad of things *

Car: 2008 M5, late 2007 build.
Mileage: 64,500 KM

Symptoms:

- Heard a "different" softer whine from the SMG pump last morning when I went to start the car. It went on much longer and softer than usual if that makes sense.
- After a block, yellow cog came on. I stopped and started the car. It went away.
- After another couple of blocks, red cog came on when coming to a stop. I again stopped the car. It wouldn't start anymore and the transmission was stuck in neutral. All warnings in the iDrive went away. I couldn't start it on many tries (engine didn't even turn). Had it towed to the dealer on flatbed.
- This happened while on a trip 240 miles from my home. So I am managing this remotely with the dealer there.

Additional *maybe* relevant info:

- Car is on original battery
- I was listening to the radio at high volume on the previous night at loud volume (I don't do that very often)
- I haven't noticed any battery symptoms like missed click/date or anything like that
- I haven't had any problems with the SMG since I bought the car 20,000km and 2 years ago. It very ocassionally will do a kick on a shift but it very rarely happens.
- No previous red cogs of any kind
- I had the DSC pump rebuilt and replaced a couple of months ago to fix an ABS/DSC fault (fixed successfully)

The story so far:

- Instructed the dealer to pull and send me the codes and check battery voltage

I will update the story as it unfolds. Hopefully it'll be short. Car is out of any kind of warranty.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 11, 2016, 11:46:38 am
Treatment: Convert to manual
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 11, 2016, 12:14:47 pm
Treatment: Convert to manual

No. That'd be uber expensive and an extremely complex job to pull off. This car was built with the SMG in mind, the manual was an afterthought. It is exhilarating when it works (which has been the case for the past two years).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 11, 2016, 03:31:23 pm
Bummer!!!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 11, 2016, 06:49:27 pm
Update. Get ready for this.

Dealer quoted $6,500. They want to replace the whole SMG hydraulic unit and the clutch. They sent me the ECU codes and it is most likely the pump.

I'll have the car towed to the Indy that a club member recommended tomorrow. I am ordering the pump motor only and a few relays for ~400US to start. My research on forums so far shows that most of the time that's all that's needed.

Expenses so far: $30 for tow, $170 for dealer diagnostics, $250 for tow tomorrow to Indy, $450 for parts.........

If I manage to keep this below $2500 total I'm golden. Meaning that I budgeted for shit like this when I got this car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 11, 2016, 06:55:14 pm
Oh BMW :lol:

I could understand if it was like the shifting mechanism, but the pump? How hard is it to make a pump that doesn't break? I bet it's buried deep in the transmission too :lol:

Keeping my fingers crossed for it to be a cheap fix, that really sucks.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 11, 2016, 06:58:10 pm
Oh BMW :lol:

I could understand if it was like the shifting mechanism, but the pump? How hard is it to make a pump that doesn't break? I bet it's buried deep in the transmission too :lol:

Keeping my fingers crossed for it to be a cheap fix, that really sucks.

Well, I already had to rebuild the DSC pump a couple of months ago. So I guess it's something about BMW not being able or caring to build a long lasting pump!

This pump in particular can be replaced without dropping the transmission. Almost any other problem and they'll have to drop it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 11, 2016, 08:52:01 pm
Ok, so after some more countless hours spent browsing the M5 forums i am pretty confident it's gonna be either the pump motor ($400) or the full pump ($4,000).

On a side note: an amazing part of owning these cars is the community around them. We have a club member here who owns about 8 different M cars. His E60 V10 was in this same Indy shop and got fixed today (he recommended the shop).

He was just texting with me that he told the shop owner to hold on to his car so that he can use his car's parts to correctly diagnose mine because he has no urgent need for it! I was left speechless. This kind of amazing community is a big part of what keeps me owning these cars, problems and all.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on July 12, 2016, 02:51:47 am
This kind of amazing community is a big part of what keeps me owning these cars, problems and all.

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 13, 2016, 10:58:44 am
Well, I already had to rebuild the DSC pump a couple of months ago. So I guess it's something about BMW not being able or caring to build a long lasting pump!

This pump in particular can be replaced without dropping the transmission. Almost any other problem and they'll have to drop it.
That's a relief. Hopefully it will be easy peasy and this pump is the actual problem.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 11:16:51 am
Update. Get ready for this.

Dealer quoted $6,500. They want to replace the whole SMG hydraulic unit and the clutch. They sent me the ECU codes and it is most likely the pump.

I'll have the car towed to the Indy that a club member recommended tomorrow. I am ordering the pump motor only and a few relays for ~400US to start. My research on forums so far shows that most of the time that's all that's needed.

Expenses so far: $30 for tow, $170 for dealer diagnostics, $250 for tow tomorrow to Indy, $450 for parts.........

If I manage to keep this below $2500 total I'm golden. Meaning that I budgeted for shit like this when I got this car.

$30 for a tow?  It cost me like $60 to tow my car 15 blocks!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 11:17:35 am
$30 for a tow?  It cost me like $60 to tow my car 15 blocks!
Viva México.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 11:18:56 am
Viva México.

That's it, I'm building a wall. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 12:18:16 pm
That's a relief. Hopefully it will be easy peasy and this pump is the actual problem.

I am more precisely trying replacing the pump motor first. That is simple and does not need a tranny drop. If the whole pump is gone then I am fucked because it costs $4,000 and I have to wait a month for the part to get here. Fingers crossed. I may know more later today.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 12:44:44 pm
Car is now at the Indy. He just sent me a screenshot of the codes he read:

A couple of new ones:

E714
C9AA

* These seem to be battery related *

Indy says he left the battery on a slow charger all night and that it isn't holding a charge. So, we'll order a new battery and try that first.

If it turns out it was the battery only I'll be thrilled.

I already ordered the new SMG pump motor anyway and it's on the way.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 13, 2016, 01:05:47 pm
Car is now at the Indy. He just sent me a screenshot of the codes he read:

A couple of new ones:

E714
C9AA

* These seem to be battery related *

Indy says he left the battery on a slow charger all night and that it isn't holding a charge. So, we'll order a new battery and try that first.

If it turns out it was the battery only I'll be thrilled.

I already ordered the new SMG pump motor anyway and it's on the way.
You might luck out, but keep the pump motor because it seems you'll need it sooner or later.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 01:25:47 pm
OMFG

On another note - I got an email 5 mins ago from the P-Car dealer offering a new Cayman GT4 that has become available - at MSRP. I am short on cash but will do whatever it takes. At list price this thing is a no-fucking-brainer.

I am trying to talk my business partner into buying it immediately. Maybe partner with him for it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 01:33:10 pm
OMFG

On another note - I got an email 5 mins ago from the P-Car dealer offering a new Cayman GT4 that has become available - at MSRP. I am short on cash but will do whatever it takes. At list price this thing is a no-fucking-brainer.

I am trying to talk my business partner into buying it immediately. Maybe partner with him for it.

Already called to say yes. I need to find a way to pay it by Friday.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 13, 2016, 01:54:21 pm
Already called to say yes. I need to find a way to pay it by Friday.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Congrats and will you be selling a car??
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 02:00:08 pm
Ok, a bit of reality setting in after the near orgasm I had when I got the email. This is similar to the 911 situation of a couple of weeks ago. The difference being that this thing is actually worth MORE in the used market.

Can't do this alone. My partner will call me later today and we'll see.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 02:03:20 pm
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Congrats and will you be selling a car??

E46 definitely. 1M maybe.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 13, 2016, 02:05:53 pm
Seems like more than a fair trade, though I'm feeling like a legit SUV in the fleet will be absolutely critical.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 02:13:01 pm
Seems like more than a fair trade, though I'm feeling like a legit SUV in the fleet will be absolutely critical.

Exactly my wife's point 5 mins ago when I was with her on the phone talking about this. Lol.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 13, 2016, 02:36:23 pm
Exactly my wife's point 5 mins ago when I was with her on the phone talking about this. Lol.

She wants an Escalade on 24s so the baby can ride in style?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 13, 2016, 03:08:50 pm
Nah BMW 2 GT is perfect baby mobile
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 03:45:47 pm
Already called to say yes. I need to find a way to pay it by Friday.

Boooooooo.  You walked away from a 911 and now you're buying a Cayman? 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 03:46:37 pm
Exactly my wife's point 5 mins ago when I was with her on the phone talking about this. Lol.

Dump the Mini and get a Discovery Sport.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 03:47:41 pm
Boooooooo.  You walked away from a 911 and now you're buying a Cayman?
GT4 beats 997.2S easily IMO

GT4 is collectible, 911 isn't. It'd have to be a GT3 to compete on desirability.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 03:48:43 pm
Dump the Mini and get a Discovery Sport.
Wife loves that. But she likes the Evoque even more.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 03:49:23 pm
GT4 beats 997.2S easily IMO

GT4 is collectible, 911 isn't. It'd have to be a GT3 to compete on desirability.

Boooooo.

A Cayman is just a lame Boxster. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 03:51:58 pm
Wife loves that. But she likes the Evoque even more.


Boooooo.  Evoque is just the Camaro version of a Land Rover. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 13, 2016, 03:55:32 pm
Boooooo.

A Cayman is just a lame Boxster. 

You've got that backwards, bro.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 04:03:23 pm
You've got that backwards, bro.

A Cayman is just a Boxster that's trying to be a 911 and it's not a 911.  Boxsters are just Boxsters, Caymans are so blah. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 13, 2016, 04:06:29 pm
A Cayman is just a Boxster that's trying to be a 911 and it's not a 911.  Boxsters are just Boxsters, Caymans are so blah. 

Boxsters have been the poor man's 911 for so long you've simply forgotten. All Porsches for the last 30 years have been the "something" 911. The exotic 911: the boulevard 911. Whatever.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 04:11:06 pm
A Cayman is just a Boxster that's trying to be a 911 and it's not a 911.  Boxsters are just Boxsters, Caymans are so blah. 

GT4 ain't no regular Cayman Raza.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 04:15:37 pm
Well, my initial teenage girl excitement at being "picked" to get a GT4 is subsiding a bit. My economic rationale for not getting the 911 a few weeks ago still applies. Only difference is this thing is actually worth slightly more on the used market than the price I am being offered.

Current thinking is: If my partner wants 50%, I think it's a great deal and I'd sell the E46. This is basically a track and occasional Sunday car so sharing ownership is a no-brainer.

If I have to go for it myself, no - I just shouldn't spend that at this time as much as I want this.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 13, 2016, 04:19:42 pm
Boxsters have been the poor man's 911 for so long you've simply forgotten. All Porsches for the last 30 years have been the "something" 911. The exotic 911: the boulevard 911. Whatever.

The Boxster being a "poor man's 911" was always a bad argument. Less so for the Cayman.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 13, 2016, 04:21:54 pm
The Boxster being a "poor man's 911" was always a bad argument. Less so for the Cayman.

Not an argument; just the overall perception in the market.

It's not even a bad thing really. Not like that sport utility 911.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on July 13, 2016, 04:33:29 pm
Well, my initial teenage girl excitement at being "picked" to get a GT4 is subsiding a bit. My economic rationale for not getting the 911 a few weeks ago still applies. Only difference is this thing is actually worth slightly more on the used market than the price I am being offered.

Current thinking is: If my partner wants 50%, I think it's a great deal and I'd sell the E46. This is basically a track and occasional Sunday car so sharing ownership is a no-brainer.

If I have to go for it myself, no - I just shouldn't spend that at this time as much as I want this.



Is sharing a vehicle something that would actually be enjoyable?  Where would it be stored?  I feel like I'd always feel guilty driving it knowing the other owner might wish they were doing the same thing.  What about maintenance?  Granted, a brand new car basically requires none outside of (probably) dealership-provided oil changes and the like, but.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 05:13:55 pm
Is sharing a vehicle something that would actually be enjoyable?  Where would it be stored?  I feel like I'd always feel guilty driving it knowing the other owner might wish they were doing the same thing.  What about maintenance?  Granted, a brand new car basically requires none outside of (probably) dealership-provided oil changes and the like, but.
This guy is basically my brother. Car would be stored at the excellent garage here at the office. He is a member of the same track club that I am. Less of an enthusiast however.

Like you said, maintenance being new is not a big issue. I figure I'd basically enjoy it as if it were mine for half the price.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on July 13, 2016, 05:21:36 pm
This guy is basically my brother. Car would be stored at the excellent garage here at the office. He is a member of the same track club that I am. Less of an enthusiast however.

Like you said, maintenance being new is not a big issue. I figure I'd basically enjoy it as if it were mine for half the price.

Then that's fair.  If you think it would work out just fine, then why not!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 13, 2016, 05:33:15 pm
M5 SMG saga latest update:

Car was hooked up to a working battery to continue diagnosing. The SMG pump motor is definitely not working. It does not make any noise at all. No visible fluid leaks. Relays have been checked and found to be ok.

Next step, as originally expected, will be to replace the pump motor. That will happen in a week or so after ECS Tuning ships it and it clears customs down here.

Pray for me.  Because if that doesn't cut it - it'll be the full pump.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: mzziaz on July 14, 2016, 11:12:54 am
M5 SMG saga latest update:

Car was hooked up to a working battery to continue diagnosing. The SMG pump motor is definitely not working. It does not make any noise at all. No visible fluid leaks. Relays have been checked and found to be ok.

Next step, as originally expected, will be to replace the pump motor. That will happen in a week or so after ECS Tuning ships it and it clears customs down here.

Pray for me.  Because if that doesn't cut it - it'll be the full pump.
Fingers still crossed.

The GT4 is a mighty tempting car, and with the limited production the might hold their value pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 14, 2016, 07:29:42 pm
Partner didn't go for it so it ain't happening.

I need to stop making these crazy announcements and take some time off from looking at cars. Maybe it's the shock of adjusting to new reality as a dad?

Having said that, looking at X5s now.

 :facepalm:
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 14, 2016, 08:46:01 pm
Booooo :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on July 14, 2016, 08:54:50 pm
Pfsh, why'd you even marry her?


[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FlatBlackCaddy on July 14, 2016, 08:59:57 pm
So much for your "brother", sounds like an asshat. You should get new friends.

Wow, gt4 cayman, you had a chance to own a great german car and you let it slip through your hands, you could have participated in a historic moment in porsche history.

Well, whatever, enjoy your bee em double yous.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 14, 2016, 09:05:23 pm
Pfsh, why'd you even marry her?


[/sarcasm]
Not wife, business partner.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 14, 2016, 09:05:37 pm
So much for your "brother", sounds like an asshat. You should get new friends.

Wow, gt4 cayman, you had a chance to own a great german car and you let it slip through your hands, you could have participated in a historic moment in porsche history.

Well, whatever, enjoy your bee em double yous.
I know.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on July 14, 2016, 09:11:08 pm
Not wife, business partner.


Oh. That's even worse than marriage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 15, 2016, 09:37:19 pm
M5 saga update. So, I ordered the goddam parts (pump motor) 3 days ago and they showed then a 3 day availability. They didn't ship today so I opened a chat with ECS Tuning to see what was up. Now they say the part is back ordered - no ETA. Fuck those guys. Couldn't they tell me that before?

 :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:

Looking elsewhere for the part. Of course this means best case a week delay or so in advancing with the fix.

 :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage: :rage:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on July 18, 2016, 05:32:25 am
The aforementioned 991.2 Ignition episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISIUGwt_t6w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISIUGwt_t6w)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 18, 2016, 07:24:32 am
A good car guy article...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2016/07/16/collection-showcases-century-automotive-art/87203726/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2016/07/16/collection-showcases-century-automotive-art/87203726/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 18, 2016, 10:52:23 am
Partner didn't go for it so it ain't happening.

I need to stop making these crazy announcements and take some time off from looking at cars. Maybe it's the shock of adjusting to new reality as a dad?

Having said that, looking at X5s now.

 :facepalm:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 18, 2016, 09:36:29 pm
The aforementioned 991.2 Ignition episode:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISIUGwt_t6w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISIUGwt_t6w)

Nice. I'll watch this tomorrow.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 18, 2016, 09:42:53 pm
M5 update. Managed to get the pump motor at a different place. Shipped and should be at the mechanic on Thursday.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 19, 2016, 08:07:56 pm
Mazda6 has been scary to drive the past month. The brakes shake the car like the rotors are warped 10x as bad as usual. The suspect was the caliper slide bolts, which turned out to be a correct diagnosis. I don't think they're supposed to look like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/mT3ymBd.jpg)

A little bit of wire wheel and bench grinder action and they're smooth-ish again. :praise:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 20, 2016, 06:31:06 am
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--W8IbUEKb--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wivoij8maypnvfoc5rmi.gif)

"Help meeeee"

Someone's got a sick sense of humor
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 20, 2016, 07:06:26 pm
T-shirt sale!

https://tunedintokyo.com/

I got Race Wars and Just Drift It
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on July 21, 2016, 02:59:35 am
A Trabant has lost control on snails.

(https://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/447/5154/74658114/-57-8166981972882895978.JPG)

I am not sure if this is an indication of soviet engineering or if the poor thing was just unfortunate. To be fair, for a car that has rolled it does not look that bad.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 21, 2016, 09:04:58 am
LOVE the color, love the car, not a fan of the driving.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12235128/skateboarder-mclaren-windshield-smash-250000-dollar-video?yptr=yahoo (http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12235128/skateboarder-mclaren-windshield-smash-250000-dollar-video?yptr=yahoo)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on July 21, 2016, 09:15:04 am
A Trabant has lost control on snails.

(https://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/447/5154/74658114/-57-8166981972882895978.JPG)

I am not sure if this is an indication of soviet engineering or if the poor thing was just unfortunate. To be fair, for a car that has rolled it does not look that bad.

I guess those skinny little tires are more susceptible if you happen to hit a small slick patch. But it is impressive that the roof held up well.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 21, 2016, 09:21:49 am
I guess those skinny little tires are more susceptible if you happen to hit a small slick patch. But it is impressive that the roof held up well.
Must be made out of a very good plastic...or titanium :hmm:.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 21, 2016, 09:29:14 am
LOVE the color, love the car, not a fan of the driving.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12235128/skateboarder-mclaren-windshield-smash-250000-dollar-video?yptr=yahoo (http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12235128/skateboarder-mclaren-windshield-smash-250000-dollar-video?yptr=yahoo)

What a terrible video, can't see anything.

Both parties are idiots.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 21, 2016, 09:51:44 am
Must be made out of a very good plastic...or titanium :hmm:.

Aren't Trabbies all made out of some soy based fiberglass material?  I mean I remember stories about cows and goats eating their fenders
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on July 21, 2016, 10:09:48 am
Aren't Trabbies all made out of some soy based fiberglass material?  I mean I remember stories about cows and goats eating their fenders

It is made out of cotton fibers which are then soaked with Phenol formaldehyde resin.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 21, 2016, 10:25:58 am
A Trabant has lost control on snails.

(https://data.motor-talk.de/data/galleries/0/447/5154/74658114/-57-8166981972882895978.JPG)

I am not sure if this is an indication of soviet engineering or if the poor thing was just unfortunate. To be fair, for a car that has rolled it does not look that bad.
What's with what appears to be a bed pan and a roll of toilet paper on the side of the road>
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on July 21, 2016, 10:30:19 am
LOVE the color, love the car, not a fan of the driving.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12235128/skateboarder-mclaren-windshield-smash-250000-dollar-video?yptr=yahoo (http://www.sbnation.com/2016/7/20/12235128/skateboarder-mclaren-windshield-smash-250000-dollar-video?yptr=yahoo)

Hah!  That's what you get for being a douche. 

I was just listening to a podcast talking about money, charity, happiness, etc.  They did an experiment where they would stage a person near a crosswalk looking like they're waiting to cross and see what cars stop (the law) and which didn't (unlawful).  Surprise surprise, half of the more expensive cars never stopped, whereas ALL of the cheaper, plebian cars stopped for the pedestrian to cross.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 21, 2016, 10:46:28 am
Hah!  That's what you get for being a douche. 

I was just listening to a podcast talking about money, charity, happiness, etc.  They did an experiment where they would stage a person near a crosswalk looking like they're waiting to cross and see what cars stop (the law) and which didn't (unlawful).  Surprise surprise, half of the more expensive cars never stopped, whereas ALL of the cheaper, plebian cars stopped for the pedestrian to cross.
Kind of fits in with a driving experience I had a couple of weeks ago.  Stop and go traffic and 2 cars were waiting to pull into the stream from a strip mall parking lot, the first one a plebeian make of some sort, the second a high end Mercedes with someone resembling Aristotle Onassis sitting at the wheel.  My impulse, as a courteous driver, was to let the first one in, assuming the second one would wait for some other courteous driver to do the same for him...several cars in front of me had not let them in.  I left a gap and the first guy tentatively pulled in front of me and waved...the second guy about 2 inches off his bumper.  When I saw this, the indignant part of me determined to squeeze him out thinking "Who does he think he is?" He didn't even look at me and it seemed he would've driven right into me rather than wait, so there he went, half on the sidewalk and half on the road 'til he got to the corner and turned right.  I thought, 'what an asshole'.

Seems that driving a high end car gives you privilege.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 21, 2016, 10:50:34 am
Hah!  That's what you get for being a douche. 

I was just listening to a podcast talking about money, charity, happiness, etc.  They did an experiment where they would stage a person near a crosswalk looking like they're waiting to cross and see what cars stop (the law) and which didn't (unlawful).  Surprise surprise, half of the more expensive cars never stopped, whereas ALL of the cheaper, plebian cars stopped for the pedestrian to cross.

I always stop for pedestrians entering crosswalks.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 21, 2016, 11:03:09 am
I always stop for pedestrians entering crosswalks.

Me too. Washing blood off my paint is hard work.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 21, 2016, 11:15:34 am
Kind of fits in with a driving experience I had a couple of weeks ago.  ...

Seems that driving a high end car gives you privilege.

People like that are used to bullying to get their way.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on July 21, 2016, 05:23:33 pm
Seems that driving a high end car gives you privilege.

Haha, oh man, next time I'm at the grocery store I usually shop at I should take a picture of the cars parked in the fire lane right in front of the store. Nine times out of ten it's some douchecanoe in a BMW, Mercedes-Benz or Audi.

I see it so often now I don't just think "what an asshole", I call them assholes to their faces. Or rather, my favourite go-to comment is: "You may or may not be an asshole, but you certainly park your car like one." :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 21, 2016, 06:30:42 pm
Haha, oh man, next time I'm at the grocery store I usually shop at I should take a picture of the cars parked in the fire lane right in front of the store. Nine times out of ten it's some douchecanoe in a BMW, Mercedes-Benz or Audi.

I see it so often now I don't just think "what an asshole", I call them assholes to their faces. Or rather, my favourite go-to comment is: "You may or may not be an asshole, but you certainly park your car like one." :lol:
Haha, good man.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on July 21, 2016, 08:11:40 pm
Haha, oh man, next time I'm at the grocery store I usually shop at I should take a picture of the cars parked in the fire lane right in front of the store. Nine times out of ten it's some douchecanoe in a BMW, Mercedes-Benz or Audi.

I see it so often now I don't just think "what an asshole", I call them assholes to their faces. Or rather, my favourite go-to comment is: "You may or may not be an asshole, but you certainly park your car like one." :lol:

Dude I see that all the time, too.  I'm at the point where I shamelessly will give a death glare or do a triple take between the "No Parking" sign or equivalent and the offending vehicle.  Happens allll the time at Walmart, too. 

Bitch, there are plenty of spots open, I don't care if you're running in for something "quick."
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2016, 05:44:46 am
Elon has an idea that could actually help big rigs in a big way:

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/teslas-plan-to-build-a-semi-truck-is-the-smartest-idea-1784065871 (http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/teslas-plan-to-build-a-semi-truck-is-the-smartest-idea-1784065871)

I think the best thing for him to do though would be to sell the batteries + tech and leave the truck building to the truck builders though. And plug away on the autonomous stuff in private
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on July 22, 2016, 06:48:34 am
The trucking industry is a really tough nut to crack for a newcomer.  Both Ford and GM tried many years ago and both failed, despite being kings of the auto industry.  Class 8 truck industry just doesn't work on the same model as the auto industry.  And the idea of having trailers with batteries and charged trailers waiting at distribution centers is the dream of somebody whose never been to a truck yard.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 22, 2016, 07:20:17 am
Yeah, that Jalopnik article doesn't make any sense.  Tesla trucks would need to carry Tesla trailers then too.  That's a whole lot of trucks and trailers that would need to come out to have any chance at disrupting the current market.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2016, 07:59:09 am
Fair assessments.

I thought trailers and containers were standardized though. But yea adding batteries to the freight equation could be tough.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 22, 2016, 08:03:53 am
They are.  That's exactly the problem.  The whole industry is built around that interchangeability to some degree.  Now you want to add in that you have to pair specific types of trucks with specific types of trailers really limits what you can do with them.

This idea would be best for 3PLs that do some sort of constant milk run situation between warehouses and production facilities.  That makes a lot more sense than any sort of long distance hauling.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 22, 2016, 09:22:39 am
Or UPS/FedEx/DHL. An electric 26 foot box truck would also work well for them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 22, 2016, 09:27:58 am
I've long thought that postal vans were the ideal use of electric vehicles.

The USPS can order enough of them to make pursuing the contract worthwhile for lots of companies, they have the means to instal their own infrastructure, and the trucks are used during daylight hours and are parked for the night, when they could recharge.

The actual miles they put on are pretty low, as are their speeds and the service is all stop and start where electrics would make tons of sense.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 22, 2016, 10:06:25 am
O hell yea. Delivery vehicles are an obvious target. We spent that money on Solyndra though
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 22, 2016, 10:46:25 am
Amazon has a fleet of Prime semi trucks/trailers. Would not be surprised if they were an early customer of some sort of electric truck.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 22, 2016, 11:04:33 am
I've long thought that postal vans were the ideal use of electric vehicles.

The USPS can order enough of them to make pursuing the contract worthwhile for lots of companies, they have the means to instal their own infrastructure, and the trucks are used during daylight hours and are parked for the night, when they could recharge.

The actual miles they put on are pretty low, as are their speeds and the service is all stop and start where electrics would make tons of sense.

+1

Each Post Office could determine how many they would need- wouldn't make sense for rural routes but when I lived in UT the mailman would park, walk around the block, drive to the next block, repeat.

Where I live now, there are clusters of mailboxes in each neighborhood, truck would drive a few miles, park a half hour, drive, repeat.

Solar panels on the roof could help too, but that might be overkill, might just need a nightly charge.

But the USPS is the best example of anything, they are completely self-sustaining. I wonder if they contract out maintenance now??
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on July 22, 2016, 11:14:16 am
They contract out a lot of things, but I think they have their own mechanics for minor issues.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 22, 2016, 09:47:09 pm
I've long thought that postal vans were the ideal use of electric vehicles.

The USPS can order enough of them to make pursuing the contract worthwhile for lots of companies, they have the means to instal their own infrastructure, and the trucks are used during daylight hours and are parked for the night, when they could recharge.

The actual miles they put on are pretty low, as are their speeds and the service is all stop and start where electrics would make tons of sense.
I recall when they used to delivery milk, that the vans they used were electric...a bunch of car batteries. Good for stop and go.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 24, 2016, 09:59:59 am
I knew that McLaren vs skater video was fishy

http://www.9news.com/mb/news/local/investigations/blog-that-viral-mclaren-vs-skater-video-is-a-big-fat-lie/279999902 (http://www.9news.com/mb/news/local/investigations/blog-that-viral-mclaren-vs-skater-video-is-a-big-fat-lie/279999902)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on July 24, 2016, 08:14:50 pm
All about those views...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 24, 2016, 09:08:06 pm
I recall when they used to delivery milk, that the vans they used were electric...a bunch of car batteries. Good for stop and go.

I don't know about that, but this may be my favorite moment in Top Gear history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vma72nSL7g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vma72nSL7g)

James May is the best. 
"No, not eggs, James."
"No, no you're wrong.  Eggs come from the milkman."
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 25, 2016, 12:04:25 pm
Holy shit, the 911 Turbo S does 0-60 in 2.6 seconds and a quarter mile in 10.6?  That's a dead heat to 60 with a Hayabusa. 

Is it also DSG only now?  The world sucks. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 25, 2016, 12:09:34 pm
Not far off in the quarter either. But both are blunt speed hammers. Give me the 12 second SV650/base Carrera 7MT instead.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 25, 2016, 12:15:22 pm
Not far off in the quarter either. But both are blunt speed hammers. Give me the 12 second SV650/base Carrera 7MT instead.

It's amazing what these cars do now.  Back in the day, the superiest of supercars was like 4 seconds.  Now even the youngest son of a Greek shipping magnate can afford a 911 Turbo which can run neck and neck with a Dubaian sheikh's Bugatti Veyron (for a while, anyway).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 25, 2016, 12:22:49 pm
Yeah, the Turbo S continues to get more and more absurd.  IMO, it's the perfect daily driver.  If I won the lottery, that's what I'd daily.

You should watch a launch in slow motion for the new one.  It's crazy.  The rear wheels actually change position within the wheel wells substantially.  Like, they slide forward in the wheel well.  The rubber mounts are basically all loaded up to such a degree that there's a noticeable change.  It's wild they don't explode with every launch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 25, 2016, 12:43:45 pm
You would pick a Turbo S over a 911R? :confused:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 25, 2016, 12:45:36 pm
You would pick a Turbo S over a 911R? :confused:
The Turbo S has the distinct advantage of a simple hassle free ordering and buying experience. I agree that it is a fantastic daily.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 25, 2016, 12:46:15 pm
Not far off in the quarter either. But both are blunt speed hammers. Give me the 12 second SV650/base Carrera 7MT instead.
Agree with this however. That MT video of the base Carrera made me a believer.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 25, 2016, 12:46:52 pm
You would pick a Turbo S over a 911R? :confused:

To daily drive?  Yeah, of course.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 25, 2016, 12:48:14 pm
The Turbo S has the distinct advantage of a simple hassle free ordering and buying experience. I agree that it is a fantastic daily.
If you win the lotto, there is no such thing as a hassle anymore. :lol: A 911 R is worth 3-4x the price of a Turbo S IMO, for many reasons.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on July 25, 2016, 12:50:48 pm
I wouldn't object to buying a 911R too, but they aren't even available.  But I wouldn't daily one.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 25, 2016, 04:54:42 pm
If I win the lotto, my daily will be a Pagani and my weekend toy will be a Koenigsegg
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 25, 2016, 04:55:41 pm
And I'm very pleased with my phone's keyboard for spelling Koenigsegg for me because otherwise I don't really know how :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 26, 2016, 05:05:10 am
V8 Vantage Roadster for my daily driver.

One of the guys on my watch forum just recently traded his Elise in on one. His is an auto, though. Which I did give him a little bit of hell for.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 27, 2016, 04:45:56 pm
If the Golf R is available in 4 door with a stick and a sunroof when I'm ready to buy a car, I might not get an SUV.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on July 28, 2016, 09:09:18 pm
This video is turrible but the girl's face is priceless

http://youtu.be/nYP8CBvDz5s (http://youtu.be/nYP8CBvDz5s)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 29, 2016, 05:39:58 am
This video is turrible but the girl's face is priceless

http://youtu.be/nYP8CBvDz5s (http://youtu.be/nYP8CBvDz5s)

I couldn't make it more than a minute and a half into that video before I had to shut it off. His voice makes my ears bleed.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 30, 2016, 09:03:12 am
On my way to pick up the M5. Made it a trip with a club friend. He's dropping off his '04 E46 M3.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2016, 11:08:08 am
Just drove a 2016 S6. It's good, but I don't think it's a buy. Some key failings, which may be endemic to the whole class. Just missing a little...soul, to be cliched.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on July 30, 2016, 11:21:40 am
This video is turrible but the girl's face is priceless

http://youtu.be/nYP8CBvDz5s (http://youtu.be/nYP8CBvDz5s)

I think the only reason I watched that whole video was to stare at her. hah
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 30, 2016, 11:32:38 am
Just drove a 2016 S6. It's good, but I don't think it's a buy. Some key failings, which may be endemic to the whole class. Just missing a little...soul, to be cliched.
Finally you see the light about those overpriced VWs.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 30, 2016, 11:34:02 am
M5 pickup. I had the interior restored too. Excited because it feels like a new car!

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160730/8e8ce796b59045b8c22c1fdca3f9ebb7.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160730/e05b79d6f5e96c3e48925e9c11f2cb11.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160730/b5492b61e5f580c6fe58bbe2f7a3fa24.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160730/3d0e7bc834a2221ba6da6529dc5a3430.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on July 30, 2016, 12:13:17 pm
On my way to pick up the M5. Made it a trip with a club friend. He's dropping off his '04 E46 M3.
That mechanic must be loaded :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on July 30, 2016, 04:00:23 pm
Finally you see the light about those overpriced VWs.

It did everything right, except for the feel.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 31, 2016, 11:41:24 am
It did everything right, except for the feel.
Perfect Audi description for the last forever years.
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 31, 2016, 11:45:20 am
M5 is back running fine as far as I can tell. And with an almost new looking interior. After a couple of no problem years, this has been its "annus horribilis" so far. Total this year has been 7 weeks down and about 2.5K in repairs. Had I done the work at dealers I'd have spent about 10K this year.

Still ok for exotic V10 sedan. But here's hoping I get a year or so of no troubles. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on July 31, 2016, 11:52:00 am
M5 is back running fine as far as I can tell. And with an almost new looking interior. After a couple of no problem years, this has been its "annus horribilis" so far. Total this year has been 7 weeks down and about 2.5K in repairs. Had I done the work at dealers I'd have spent about 10K this year.

Still ok for exotic V10 sedan. But here's hoping I get a year or so of no troubles. Fingers crossed.

Start it about once a week, let it warm up sufficiently so that all fluids, etc. are at optimal operating temperatures and drive it once, gently, around the block, and then park it.  You should make it through the year without any major calamities other than a bit of tire rot.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on July 31, 2016, 11:56:49 am
:clap:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on July 31, 2016, 02:04:53 pm
That mechanic must be loaded :lol:
Not really. Prices are super reasonable. It was $260 labour to replace the pump motor and another $240 for the interior refurbishment.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 01, 2016, 07:55:35 pm
http://www.thedrive.com/supercars/4521/the-worlds-only-pagani-huayra-pearl-just-wrecked (http://www.thedrive.com/supercars/4521/the-worlds-only-pagani-huayra-pearl-just-wrecked)
Title: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 01, 2016, 08:04:34 pm
The e60... It lives!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 02, 2016, 07:54:56 am
The future, today and tomorrow...

Quote
Charging pads let electric car owners cut the cord

In the future, suppliers envision a world where wireless chargers would be built directly into roadways so the car would charge while you drive, eliminating range anxiety. The coils could be built into designated highway lanes, or at places where cars often idle, such as stoplights and on-street parking spots. If wireless charging is implemented in parking garages or lots, autonomous EVs could one day park themselves over the pads and, when fully charged, move another vehicle in to charge.


Read more...http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2016/08/01/charging-pads-let-electric-car-owners-cut-cord/87897142/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2016/08/01/charging-pads-let-electric-car-owners-cut-cord/87897142/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Galaxy on August 02, 2016, 08:06:52 am
Fiat has a new Trim level for the 500. "Riva."


(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_13.jpg?itok=NE-l2UB5)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_06.jpg?itok=L1zayVxj)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_09.jpg?itok=3GQNgK6t)
(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_19.jpg?itok=oniAwGO0)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_20.jpg?itok=TqLPHrmH)
(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_16.jpg?itok=3VJs5LD2)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_23.jpg?itok=mYcyKw2W)


Not bad. Not bad at all.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 02, 2016, 08:40:01 am
Italians car do have a special flair to them. I approve.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on August 02, 2016, 08:52:45 am
Has Fiat come out with the Reliable trim yet?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 02, 2016, 09:08:44 am
Alright, I know a lot of it is fleet sales, but Nissan is out selling Honda on the year as of last month.  That just blows my mind in so many ways.  I can't think of a single Nissan product I want.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 02, 2016, 10:16:24 am
The future, today and tomorrow...


Logan Utah has a couple buses that charge like that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 02, 2016, 08:20:09 pm
Wankel VW :rockon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO2dpG96-2g
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on August 02, 2016, 08:47:36 pm
V8 Vantage Roadster for my daily driver.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/4/46/Dalton_and_the_Aston_Martin_V8_Volante.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130130215055)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: mzziaz on August 03, 2016, 12:41:21 am
Fiat has a new Trim level for the 500. "Riva."


(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_13.jpg?itok=NE-l2UB5)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_06.jpg?itok=L1zayVxj)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_09.jpg?itok=3GQNgK6t)
(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_19.jpg?itok=oniAwGO0)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_20.jpg?itok=TqLPHrmH)
(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_16.jpg?itok=3VJs5LD2)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_23.jpg?itok=mYcyKw2W)


Not bad. Not bad at all.

Oh, nice.

Hope its real wood.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 03, 2016, 12:55:07 am
Most FCA products use real wood so there is hope
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 03, 2016, 07:09:02 am
:lol:

I hate Tarvish, but this is kind of funny.  http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/bmw-engines-are-gigantic-pieces-of-shit-1784684330

I'm skimming through the comments, and one dude talks about LS swaps being overplayed and someone should swap a shitty VQ into an E46.  I swear, that has to be sporty.  No one else would say that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 07:25:39 am
Has Fiat come out with the Reliable trim yet?

They have a walnut burl shift knob. Reliable doesn't come into play here.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 03, 2016, 08:18:03 am
:lol:

I hate Tarvish, but this is kind of funny.  http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/bmw-engines-are-gigantic-pieces-of-shit-1784684330

I'm skimming through the comments, and one dude talks about LS swaps being overplayed and someone should swap a shitty VQ into an E46.  I swear, that has to be sporty.  No one else would say that.

That was me. LS swaps ARE played out.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/has-the-lsx-become-the-toyota-camry-of-engine-swaps-1784611598

Came in to say, wifey had her mom's minivan since they're out of town and she had to get them from the airport. Having a minivan in the driveway, particularly a cheapo T&C, did not make me dry heave or question my manhood like I thought it would. The thought of a Pacifica or Sedona is a lot less scary now... though I foolishly forgot to check how that T&C would fit in the garage. I'm still most partial to the Q5/Sportage Turbo/Santa Fe Sport though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 08:39:04 am
Lol

It's pretty bad when somebody can spot you like that over everybody else on the internet just because you're the only person who agrees with what you're saying.

Even the "moon landing was fake" guys run in packs.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 03, 2016, 08:55:24 am
I can't get away from the sporty hot takes.  They're buried in the comment sections of every car website, and I can spot them from a mile away :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 08:56:24 am
I can't get away from the sporty hot takes.  They're buried in the comment sections of every car website, and I can spot them from a mile away :lol:

You may have a problem.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 03, 2016, 09:34:42 am
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/4/46/Dalton_and_the_Aston_Martin_V8_Volante.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130130215055)

I'd get one of those vintage as well, but I don't know how they'd hold up to daily driving.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 03, 2016, 09:35:30 am
Fiat has a new Trim level for the 500. "Riva."


(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_13.jpg?itok=NE-l2UB5)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_06.jpg?itok=L1zayVxj)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_09.jpg?itok=3GQNgK6t)
(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_19.jpg?itok=oniAwGO0)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_20.jpg?itok=TqLPHrmH)
(http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_16.jpg?itok=3VJs5LD2)
(http://cdn2.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/gallery_adv/public/2016/06/160627_fiat_500_riva_23.jpg?itok=mYcyKw2W)


Not bad. Not bad at all.

Very much yes.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 09:43:27 am
Very much yes.

Now take that interior theme, put it into something that doesn't look like an overinflated retro jellybean, and it might be interesting.

Maybe some upscale Challenger variant?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 09:44:33 am
I'd get one of those vintage as well, but I don't know how they'd hold up to daily driving.

Poorly. Almost as bad as a new one.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 03, 2016, 10:50:04 am
Now take that interior theme, put it into something that doesn't look like an overinflated retro jellybean, and it might be interesting.

Maybe some upscale Challenger variant?

The Challenger isn't a retro jellybean?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 03, 2016, 10:51:39 am
Poorly. Almost as bad as a new one.

I think the new ones are probably fine. They're just Fords with fancy seats, ain't they?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on August 03, 2016, 11:14:18 am
I think the new ones are probably fine. They're just Fords with fancy seats, ain't they?

Ford sold Aston 10 years ago.  It's on at least it's second owner since Ford.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 11:50:43 am
The Challenger isn't a retro jellybean?

It's not a jellybean.

But, I was thinking Challenger-based; not necessarily an actual Challenger.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 03, 2016, 12:58:57 pm
The Challenger isn't a retro jellybean?

Retro laffy-taffy
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 03, 2016, 01:56:54 pm
Ford sold Aston 10 years ago.  It's on at least it's second owner since Ford.
Although they have a new V12 engine now, up until recently, they were still using the V12 developed by Ford/Cosworth...being assembled in the Cologne factory.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 03, 2016, 02:15:16 pm
Ford sold Aston 10 years ago.  It's on at least it's second owner since Ford.

I know, I was being silly. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 03, 2016, 05:33:28 pm
That was me. LS swaps ARE played out.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/has-the-lsx-become-the-toyota-camry-of-engine-swaps-1784611598

Came in to say, wifey had her mom's minivan since they're out of town and she had to get them from the airport. Having a minivan in the driveway, particularly a cheapo T&C, did not make me dry heave or question my manhood like I thought it would. The thought of a Pacifica or Sedona is a lot less scary now... though I foolishly forgot to check how that T&C would fit in the garage. I'm still most partial to the Q5/Sportage Turbo/Santa Fe Sport though.

Mini vans are awesome vehicles if you can get over the "manliness" aspect. They're hugely versatile, what with seats that fold into the floor and all that.  Hmmm, do I want to transport myself and 5 friends to dinner in comfort, or is today the day to put the seats down and fit a bunch of stuff from the hardware store in the back? 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 05:36:44 pm
Mini vans are awesome vehicles if you can get over the "manliness" aspect. They're hugely versatile, what with seats that fold into the floor and all that.  Hmmm, do I want to transport myself and 5 friends to dinner in comfort, or is today the day to put the seats down and fit a bunch of stuff from the hardware store in the back? 

The person in my family who had an issue with the minivan wasn't me.

It was my wife.

Ok, so I had an issue with the recurring problems with the transmission, the burst heater hose, and the odd revving at idle that I never figured out, but those are different stories.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 03, 2016, 05:57:20 pm
I just hate having more car than I need, and we definitely don't need a minivan. I definitely want something with a higher seating position as that will make things easier with kids, but we've been making do with our little econoboxes.

Plus minivans are expensive AF.... most of em require dropping $40K just to get a sunroof. Something CR-V sized would cost like 3/4 that equally loaded. Plus I'm very skeptical one will fit in our garage.

I can't knock them at all on the functionality front though. If someone needs what they offer they cannot be beat
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 05:59:57 pm
They've long been designed around fitting into a garage. Unless yours is oddly small, it should.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 03, 2016, 07:11:24 pm
CR-V isn't a bad choice if you're going to have one or two kids.  Two young kids may be pushing it when it comes to longer trips and taking everything you need with you in a CR-V, though. 

If I ever have kids, it's gonna be a van. 

Also, I've personally never seen a minivan with a sunroof.  They're nice to have, but.  Most people put fuckin' shades on their car windows the minute they even think about having a kid anyways. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 03, 2016, 07:26:11 pm
Ha, yea I didn't even think about that. Sunroof would be no bueno.

Yea, long trips would be a stretch with something CR-V sized. I'm thinking we could just borrow MIL's van for that though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 03, 2016, 08:16:12 pm
. Plus I'm very skeptical one will fit in our garage.


LOL they were designed to fit into a garage, most modern garages will fit almost any SUV.

Even the tailgates are designed to be high enough to clear the average adult's head, but still not hit the garage door when the minivan door is opened.

BTW if you want something "quirky" the Ford Transit minivans are out there....   

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/2014_Ford_Transit_Connect_Wagon_Titanium_LWB_front_left.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Vinsanity on August 03, 2016, 08:16:31 pm
It's not a jellybean.

But, I was thinking Challenger-based; not necessarily an actual Challenger.

2-door variant of a Chrysler 300? Preferably one with folding soft top or a panoramic sunroof
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 03, 2016, 08:17:23 pm

Also, I've personally never seen a minivan with a sunroof. 

higher-level trims can come with them. I want. :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 03, 2016, 08:18:24 pm
BTW has anyone owned more minis than me?

1992 Caravan
1999 Grand Caravan
2004 Sienna
2003 Odyssey
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 03, 2016, 08:32:43 pm
nope you win :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 03, 2016, 08:46:05 pm
nope you win :lol:

Do I get any cool points because

1992- buried the speedo on the Autobahn (110mph) and got about another 250k rpms.  Then Turbo Cayenne passed by and I jumped on his rear bumper and drafted another 500k rpms faster. (Sunday morning no traffic)
1999- customized. Found a van at the salvage yard with same fabric seats. Grabbed a bucket and replaced the rear bench so I was rocking 3 buckets instead of 2 buckets + bench. Came in handy, son could recline in the far back, and we put a dresser next to him once.
2003- We've put 23k miles on it since bought Feb 2015....!!!!   Should hit 200k by the end of this year.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 03, 2016, 09:28:01 pm
higher-level trims can come with them. I want. :huh:

I'm not denying their existence.  As someone who has apparently owned 4 minivans with zero sunroofs, you're just proving my point. ;)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 03, 2016, 10:44:28 pm
CR-V isn't a bad choice if you're going to have one or two kids.  Two young kids may be pushing it when it comes to longer trips and taking everything you need with you in a CR-V, though. 

If I ever have kids, it's gonna be a van. 

Also, I've personally never seen a minivan with a sunroof.  They're nice to have, but.  Most people put fuckin' shades on their car windows the minute they even think about having a kid anyways. :lol:

The Chrysler RU (Pacifica) does now.

It's fucking huge.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 04, 2016, 05:01:07 am
I'm not denying their existence.  As someone who has apparently owned 4 minivans with zero sunroofs, you're just proving my point. ;)

I buy the cheap ones though. Last buy was 12yrs old. :huh:

BTW Honda didn't put sunroofs on before 2004. 2004 is also the year Toyota started the roll-down middle-seat windows.  For some reason that's the time period a lot of the minis gained many of the car features. (hideable 3rd row, Chrysler one-upped that with Sto N Go)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 09:49:58 am
Okay, so Disco Sport, Q3, Q5, 2017 Tiguan. Is there anything else I should consider? Looking for no bigger than midsize, AWD is a must, nice interior, decent pedal feel, and around $50K with options. Looking to buy next year at the end of summer or beginning of fall.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 04, 2016, 10:42:19 am
Off the top of the dome- F-Pace, Macan 2.0T, X4... may not be a bad idea to check out the Sportage 2.0T, NX200t and RDX. Softer, cheaper, less dynamic and brand snobby... but you will get more for your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 04, 2016, 10:44:33 am
Speaking of SUVs, this is significant-

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/08/july-makes-official-americans-buy-suvscrossovers-cars/

Big eye opener- CUVs up 8%, cars down 9%. The tides are turning.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 04, 2016, 12:46:55 pm
RDX.

I'd look at that one, along with the boring Rav4 or CRV or Outback flat-six.  Then have extra money for add-ons.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 04, 2016, 12:50:54 pm
Okay, so Disco Sport, Q3, Q5, 2017 Tiguan. Is there anything else I should consider? Looking for no bigger than midsize, AWD is a must, nice interior, decent pedal feel, and around $50K with options. Looking to buy next year at the end of summer or beginning of fall.

Aren't you still in law school for awhile?

Volvo XC90 would be my pick.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 04, 2016, 01:04:31 pm
Aren't you still in law school for awhile?

Volvo XC90 would be my pick.

He said no bigger than midsize. XC90 is huge compared to his suggestions.

The Q5 is truly outdated. Next X3 will be out by then.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 01:33:21 pm
Off the top of the dome- F-Pace, Macan 2.0T, X4... may not be a bad idea to check out the Sportage 2.0T, NX200t and RDX. Softer, cheaper, less dynamic and brand snobby... but you will get more for your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

F-Pace and Macan are likely going to be too expensive. I will never touch a "Sports Activity Coupe"; I'd rather have an STI than a compromised coupe SUV. Kia? Really? I mean, that's realistically not going to happen. I admit to being too much of a snob for that. Plus it's super goofy looking. The RDX isn't as horribly disgusting to look at as other Acuras, I'll give that one a shot.


Edit: Macan is definitely too expensive. But the F-Pace might be in range.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 01:36:10 pm
Aren't you still in law school for awhile?

Volvo XC90 would be my pick.

I'll be done law school in 9 months. Bar shortly after that. Then hopefully working. If I get a job at a place I need to drive to, I'll need something that can deal with the winter and the added space of an SUV will come in handy for house stuff. There have been so many times in the last few years where my brother and I lamented not having a more practical car between us.

XC90's enormous and Chinese. If I were to go Volvo, I'd choose the XC60.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 01:37:56 pm
He said no bigger than midsize. XC90 is huge compared to his suggestions.

The Q5 is truly outdated. Next X3 will be out by then.

I'll look into the X3. Not super impressed by anything BMW is making right now, and I'm not sure that's going to change any time soon.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 01:39:58 pm
Speaking of SUVs, this is significant-

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/08/july-makes-official-americans-buy-suvscrossovers-cars/

Big eye opener- CUVs up 8%, cars down 9%. The tides are turning.

I look around at sedans and see stagnation and nothing exciting. And I'm willing to make compromises with an SUV I wouldn't with a sedan--namely the manual transmission. SUV with an auto is necessary by availability. There are still sedans with manuals, and that's the only way I'd have one.
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Post by: MX793 on August 04, 2016, 02:12:27 pm
http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29892/how-to-kill-the-crossover/ (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29892/how-to-kill-the-crossover/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 04, 2016, 03:06:30 pm
Raza check the MB GLC.  Merc interiors are killing the game right now and it looks really good
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Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 04, 2016, 03:07:23 pm
Raza check the MB GLC.  Merc interiors are killing the game right now and it looks really good
GLC is nice.
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Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 04, 2016, 03:32:55 pm
GLC is sexy AF. Would wife

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29892/how-to-kill-the-crossover/ (http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29892/how-to-kill-the-crossover/)
Jack sure knows how to provoke. Lol @ using an Accord and CR-V as examples.... they make a solid case for the CUV. CR-V gets 1MPG less combined than the Accord with the same engine. The near triple cargo space with the seats up as well as the easier ingress/egress are legit advantages. CR-V weighs a whopping 200lb more than the Accord (aka what a theoretical Accord wagon would weigh, with nowhere near the cargo space). And that he had to present such an extreme scenario to demonstrate the handling discrepancy shows how little it really matters.

There will always be money in drivers cars because there will always be people who enjoy driving. If anything the shift to CUVs will allow less compromise in non CUVs.
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Post by: giant_mtb on August 04, 2016, 04:12:04 pm
I don't understand the point of automatic transmissions with "manual mode" that have super shit programming.

Detailed/drove a Traverse today.

Was cruising down the highway, 60mph.  Put it into manual mode.  Wanted to test the low-end grunt a bit, so I gave 'er some gas in 6th gear.  And what does the stupid thing do?  Downshifts two gears.  What in the actual fuck is the point if it's just going to downshift on its own?  :wtf:

So many vehicles seem to do this and it drives me bananas. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 04:18:13 pm
Raza check the MB GLC.  Merc interiors are killing the game right now and it looks really good

I'd look at the GLC, but I value a car that can actually get me to my destination, so I'm wary of owning another Mercedes.
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Post by: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2016, 04:19:00 pm
I don't understand the point of automatic transmissions with "manual mode" that have super shit programming.

Detailed/drove a Traverse today.

Was cruising down the highway, 60mph.  Put it into manual mode.  Wanted to test the low-end grunt a bit, so I gave 'er some gas in 6th gear.  And what does the stupid thing do?  Downshifts two gears.  What in the actual fuck is the point if it's just going to downshift on its own?  :wtf:

So many vehicles seem to do this and it drives me bananas. 

GM is particularly bad at this. My wife's Acadia does the same thing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 04, 2016, 04:19:36 pm
I'd look at the GLC, but I value a car that can actually get me to my destination, so I'm wary of owning another Mercedes.

AFAIK Merc is out of its quality doldrums these days.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 04:20:08 pm
I don't understand the point of automatic transmissions with "manual mode" that have super shit programming.

Detailed/drove a Traverse today.

Was cruising down the highway, 60mph.  Put it into manual mode.  Wanted to test the low-end grunt a bit, so I gave 'er some gas in 6th gear.  And what does the stupid thing do?  Downshifts two gears.  What in the actual fuck is the point if it's just going to downshift on its own?  :wtf:

So many vehicles seem to do this and it drives me bananas.

The 8AT in my dad's Lexus used to secretly upshift and downshift in manual mode. Aka, there really was no manual mode.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 04:20:47 pm
AFAIK Merc is out of its quality doldrums these days.

And yet the memories of being stranded several times in MBs act as a mental block.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 04, 2016, 04:27:32 pm
GM is particularly bad at this. My wife's Acadia does the same thing.

Yes.  Every goddamn GM vehicle with that stupid transmission (Acadias, Terrains, Traverses, Equinoxes) does it.  I don't know why they even bother.

However, I guess it is slightly analogous to the days when autos had an L/1, 2, and sometimes a 3.  You could select 3 and it would run gears 1-3 as it normally would, but just wouldn't shift up past that.  At least, I think that's how they operated...I don't recall being in a 2 or 3 and feeling like it was starting off in 2nd or 3rd...I suppose that would be less than ideal for da torque converter.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2016, 04:35:25 pm
Yes.  Every goddamn GM vehicle with that stupid transmission (Acadias, Terrains, Traverses, Equinoxes) does it.  I don't know why they even bother.

However, I guess it is slightly analogous to the days when autos had an L/1, 2, and sometimes a 3.  You could select 3 and it would run gears 1-3 as it normally would, but just wouldn't shift up past that.  At least, I think that's how they operated...I don't recall being in a 2 or 3 and feeling like it was starting off in 2nd or 3rd...I suppose that would be less than ideal for da torque converter.

That is how they operated stock from the factory, yeah. You could get any number of shift reprogramming kits to make it hold a gear, or even do any number of odd things like go into reverse at any speed, as well as clutch conversions that eliminated the TC.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 04, 2016, 04:39:18 pm
Eliminating TC is as easy as removing the ABS fuse. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2016, 04:40:46 pm
Eliminating TC is as easy as removing the ABS fuse. :lol:

I tried looking for the ABS fuse on my car; can you believe it's not even listed in the shop manual?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 04, 2016, 04:47:53 pm
I tried looking for the ABS fuse on my car; can you believe it's not even listed in the shop manual?

On a modern car?  Yeah, I'd believe it.  On an older car...wtf? 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2016, 04:50:53 pm
On a modern car?  Yeah, I'd believe it.  On an older car...wtf? 

Yes, that was a joke. The car is not exactly pre-ABS, but it doesn't have it, and I don't know how it would get rid of the torque converter anyways.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 04, 2016, 04:51:42 pm
Yes, that was a joke. The car is not exactly pre-ABS, but it doesn't have it.

Oh.  That car.  Shit went right over my head.  :lol:

*retroactive LOL*
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 04, 2016, 05:07:46 pm
And yet the memories of being stranded several times in MBs act as a mental block.
The GLC is no more or less reliable than the other cars you are considering.

My last Accord lunched 3 engines. Mostly my fault though. But still, car companies change. Remember how Hyundais were back when you were pushing the E320?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 05:10:05 pm
The GLC is no more or less reliable than the other cars you are considering.

My last Accord lunched 3 engines. Mostly my fault though. But still, car companies change. Remember how Hyundais were back when you were pushing the E320?

May or may not be rational, but it's there.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: veeman on August 04, 2016, 05:33:08 pm
I'd test drive the Lexus RX F-type.  You'll probably like the Audi Q5 better but you may be surprised.  I find the styling of the new RX very good.

A midsize sedan with fold down rear seats (not just a small pass through for skis) has an enormous amount of room especially if it's just you and your brother.  Maybe also consider an Audi A6 or certified S6.

A mattress is easier to carry on the roof of an SUV though.  I've put them as well as Christmas trees on top of my Sonata though without any problem. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 04, 2016, 06:10:56 pm
I'd test drive the Lexus RX F-type.  You'll probably like the Audi Q5 better but you may be surprised.  I find the styling of the new RX very good.

A midsize sedan with fold down rear seats (not just a small pass through for skis) has an enormous amount of room especially if it's just you and your brother.  Maybe also consider an Audi A6 or certified S6.

A mattress is easier to carry on the roof of an SUV though.  I've put them as well as Christmas trees on top of my Sonata though without any problem.

RX F-Sport starts at 12K more than the Discovery Sport. Plus, it's a Lexus RX--I'm not a suburban mother of two.  :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 04, 2016, 06:55:33 pm
AFAIK Merc is out of its quality doldrums these days.


Having wasted an entire year of my life working countless hours launching the Mercedes C class, I can assure you the quality doldrums are not gone :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 04, 2016, 06:57:36 pm
I'll be done law school in 9 months. Bar shortly after that. Then hopefully working. If I get a job at a place I need to drive to, I'll need something that can deal with the winter and the added space of an SUV will come in handy for house stuff. There have been so many times in the last few years where my brother and I lamented not having a more practical car between us.

XC90's enormous and Chinese. If I were to go Volvo, I'd choose the XC60.

It's not all that much bigger. Price is about the same. Tons of value for the money. Thatd be my pick.

I actually like the RX350 pick too. The new ones look great.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2016, 07:48:54 pm
https://smallcar.com

Awesome looking idea, but why do I think that an STi powered Vanagon might be just slightly unsafe?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 04, 2016, 08:06:37 pm
https://smallcar.com

Awesome looking idea, but why do I think that an STi powered Vanagon might be just slightly unsafe?

Definitely want a brake upgrade, slightly stiffer springs, and sway bars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 04, 2016, 08:26:02 pm
Definitely want a brake upgrade, slightly stiffer springs, and sway bars.

I remember the driving position itself making me uncomfortable. There is absolutely nothing in front of ortho the left of you.
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Post by: CaminoRacer on August 04, 2016, 08:43:15 pm
I remember the driving position itself making me uncomfortable. There is absolutely nothing in front of ortho the left of you.

Say bye-bye to your legs in an accident.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 05, 2016, 07:27:54 am
Eliminating TC is as easy as removing the ABS fuse. :lol:

Odyssey has a big button next to the cruise control to turn off TC. :rockon: :rockon:  And they did the cruise right- it's a depressible button that stays depressed. ie Turn the car off and back on and I don't have to "turn cruise back on" because it's still on.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 05, 2016, 07:30:07 am
CR-V weighs a whopping 200lb more than the Accord (aka what a theoretical Accord wagon would weigh, with nowhere near the cargo space).

You'd be surprised. My Legacy wagon had the same amount of space as a PT cruiser. One is taller, one is longer.
Though the CRV might be easier to load than a wagon, seats down it's awkward to slide stuff from the tailgate all the way forward in a wagon. And the rear doors make it tricky to load from the side.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 05, 2016, 07:30:50 am
Saw a red late-series BMW 5er wagon this morning.

So sexy. They do wagons right over in the Wimmerland.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 05, 2016, 07:51:10 pm
Finally installed the dash cam I had in the Audi in the Tacoma.  Cheap Chinese 720p with date stamp, cyclic recording, motion detection, and a rear view camera. Never used the rear view in the audi but I'm gonna mount it in the tacoma.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on August 06, 2016, 08:53:07 pm
Definitely want a brake upgrade, slightly stiffer springs, and sway bars.

And crumple zones.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 08, 2016, 06:56:14 am
Next CR-V looks huge

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2016/04/next-generation-honda-cr-v-styling-seen-in-spy-photos.html

(http://autoguide.com.vsassets.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/2017-honda-cr-v-spy-photos-apr-19-16/Honda-CR-V-Spy-Photo-1.JPEG)

They are gonna have to get serious with the HR-V
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 08, 2016, 07:06:52 am
I don't get it, where does that leave the Pilot???
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 11:51:07 am
Perhaps it's a sign of the times, or maybe my changing tastes, but I think SUVs may be the best looking cars on the road today.  Current sedans just don't do it.  Barring very few outliers, every sedan on the market is either ugly or boring.  But there are a lot of good looking SUVs:

(http://2016suvmodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/2016-Audi-SQ5-front.jpg)
(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-global/dims3/GLOB/legacy_thumbnail/750x422/quality/95/http://www.blogcdn.com/slideshows/images/slides/350/466/9/S3504669/slug/l/2016-audi-q3-002-1.jpg)
(http://hojeemdia.com.br/polopoly_fs/1.373202.1459547535!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_653/image.jpg)
(http://carroslancamentos.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Land-Rover-Discovery-Sport-lancamento.jpg)
(http://www.landroverusa.com/Images/L494_14_EXT_LOC27_04_fh_2-u_293-90959_680x450.jpg?v=3)
(http://www.jaguar.co.uk/Images/F-PACE_Insertion_Instructions_Device-Desktop_910x600_tcm91-254951_desktop_910x600.jpg?v=1)
(http://www.hybridcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2017-VW-Tiguan-GTE-22-668x358.jpg)
(http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/764A0352-1-640x354.jpg)
(http://cdn.mazda.co.za/vpp/assets/models/new-generation-cx-5/cx5akera-2015-overview-stdfeapnl-4.jpg)
(http://img10.fblife.com/attachments/20140214/13923525354620.jpg.680x0.jpg)
(http://services.edmunds-media.com/image-service/media-ed/ximm/?quality=85&image=/porsche/cayenne/2016/fe/2016_porsche_cayenne_f34_fe_216161_717.jpg)

There are some sports and GT cars that still look good, but sedans all seem to suck, wagons are dead, there aren't that many nice hatches (Golf/GTI and Mazda3, basically, Focus ST maybe), minivans will always look gross.  And it's not like all SUVs are good looking, most suck too.  But it seems like there are more good looking SUVs than regular cars. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 08, 2016, 12:05:29 pm
I feel like SUV/CUV's are morphing in to slightly raised hatchbacks.  :lol:

I mean, if you get a Q5 and then lower it, you essentially have an A4 hatchback.   :praise:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 12:09:54 pm
I feel like SUV/CUV's are morphing in to slightly raised hatchbacks.  :lol:

I mean, if you get a Q5 and then lower it, you essentially have an A4 hatchback.   :praise:

It's most evident with the really small ones, like the X1 and Q3.  They're just hatchbacks raised half an inch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 08, 2016, 12:57:41 pm
It's most evident with the really small ones, like the X1 and Q3.  They're just hatchbacks raised half an inch.

Don't forget the name-is-too-long Crosstrek..
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 01:29:20 pm
Don't forget the name-is-too-long Crosstrek..

Is that supposed to be an SUV anyway? I thought it was like the Audi Allroad.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 08, 2016, 01:51:23 pm
CUVs have good proportions- especially the ones on RWD platforms with larger wheels. Their larger greenhouses balance better with the all that sheetmetal in ways a low roof high shoulder sedan just can't.

Plus by metrics anyway many of them come close to if not equal the dynamics of the sedans they are based on. For example a run of the mill Q5 twirls the skidpad at 0.85g and stops from 70 in 167ft. Same year A4 does the same at 0.88 and 166ft. Does that mean a Q5 handles as well as an A4? Of course not, there are subjective considerations and other stuff that's not measured. But we're not talking the old topsy turvy ladder frame live axle beasts of the past... these things are just wagons with long suspension travel.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 08, 2016, 01:58:11 pm
Who are you, and what have you done with Raza?

But yeah, honestly after living with the 4Runner for awhile, I don't think I'll go back to a sedan for daily driving for a long time.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 08, 2016, 02:03:04 pm
Is that supposed to be an SUV anyway? I thought it was like the Audi Allroad.

It's Subaru's CUV. It's the impreza, only taller.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 08, 2016, 04:51:31 pm
Manufacturers are spending more money developing SUVs/CUVs than in any other category because there is where the money is. That includes design and it's becoming very noticeable.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 08, 2016, 08:20:49 pm
Hey Raza- I know this is lukewarm at best- but I like the looks of the updated Kia Forte5

(http://img.autobytel.com/car-reviews/autobytel/124115-2014-kia-forte5-sx-review-and-quick-spin/ABTL_2014-Kia-Forte5-SX-Aurora-Black-Rear-Quarter.jpg)

Someone on my commute has one in red... looks a lot lower and leaner than this picture, and the GTI/Focus ST.  There's still some hope
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 08, 2016, 08:55:29 pm
Yeah I like those Fortes. I assume they handle like Kias thigh... :(
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:01:37 pm
Who are you, and what have you done with Raza?

But yeah, honestly after living with the 4Runner for awhile, I don't think I'll go back to a sedan for daily driving for a long time.

I don't think I could ever daily drive an SUV. They'd get regular work about 3 months out of the year, and occasionally used in the other 9. Sports car for daily driving and SUV for bad weather and hauling. The only bad thing is that you can't get one in a stick anymore, and automatics suck. I hate driving them. And it's not like you can get an AWD stick wagon anywhere, can you?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 08, 2016, 10:02:24 pm
I don't think I could ever daily drive an SUV. They'd get regular work about 3 months out of the year, and occasionally used in the other 9. Sports car for daily driving and SUV for bad weather and hauling. The only bad thing is that you can't get one in a stick anymore, and automatics suck. I hate driving them. And it's not like you can get an AWD stick wagon anywhere, can you?

Golf Alltrack wagon

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:03:15 pm
Hey Raza- I know this is lukewarm at best- but I like the looks of the updated Kia Forte5

(http://img.autobytel.com/car-reviews/autobytel/124115-2014-kia-forte5-sx-review-and-quick-spin/ABTL_2014-Kia-Forte5-SX-Aurora-Black-Rear-Quarter.jpg)

Someone on my commute has one in red... looks a lot lower and leaner than this picture, and the GTI/Focus ST.  There's still some hope

Not bad, actually. And the Optima isn't so bad either.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:03:38 pm
Golf Alltrack wagon

That doesn't sound like something that's sold in America.

I could probably get by with a Golf R, but the extra space of an SUV, when I'd only use it for a little while relatively, could easily come in handy. I bought some of those plastic boxes to store clothes and stuff today from Target. Put two in the trunk, but one had to go in the passenger footwell and another belted into the passenger seat. Sure, the Z4 has done a lot of hauling for such a small car, but having something more practical to make those trips would be nice. SUV/wagon plus sports car seems to be the ideal garage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 08, 2016, 10:04:38 pm
That doesn't sound like something that's sold in America.

It's coming.


Quote
The Golf Alltrack shares its underpinnings with its Golf family siblings, from its MQB architecture to the turbocharged and direct-injection powertrain. The fun-to-drive EA888 1.8-liter, four-cylinder TSI® gasoline unit puts out 170 horsepower and 199 lb-ft of torque. At launch it will be mated to a six-speed dual-clutch DSG® automatic transmission: a six-speed manual transmission will be available at a later date.

(http://wpmedia.driving.ca/2015/10/alltrack-3.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=800&h=520&crop=1)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:07:31 pm
It's coming.


(http://wpmedia.driving.ca/2015/10/alltrack-3.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=800&h=520&crop=1)

Interesting. Needs more power and I'm not sold on the looks. What I want is a V6 AWD 2017 Tiguan with a 6MT.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:10:35 pm
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CAYENNE&showcaseOwnerId=97056&makeCode1=POR&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&showcaseListingId=434134159&mmt=%5BPOR%5BCAYENNE%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=423660380&Log=0

Bad idea?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 08, 2016, 10:11:26 pm
Great idea

Maintenance items like brakes and tires will be killer though.  Pretty sure those are 21" wheels.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:13:06 pm
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CAYENNE&showcaseOwnerId=97056&makeCode1=POR&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&showcaseListingId=434134159&mmt=%5BPOR%5BCAYENNE%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=428471089&Log=0

Mike, how far is that from you?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:14:10 pm
Great idea

Maintenance items like brakes and tires will be killer though.  Pretty sure those are 21" wheels.

Damn, 21"!? I didn't know they made those outside of rap videos.

Nice to know that hope is alive. They're a lot newer (and probably more powerful) than the last manual X5s.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 08, 2016, 10:15:35 pm
Cayennes are just Touaregs, right? I should be able to have it serviced at my old VW dealer.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 08, 2016, 10:24:27 pm
Damn, 21"!? I didn't know they made those outside of rap videos.

Nice to know that hope is alive. They're a lot newer (and probably more powerful) than the last manual X5s.

300hp IIRC for 2011 and newer models, and about the VW dealership thing... I don't know if any price difference is worth having the same people that service Jettas working on your car vs people who service Porsches.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rupert on August 08, 2016, 11:43:17 pm


Who are you, and what have you done with Raza?

But yeah, honestly after living with the 4Runner for awhile, I don't think I'll go back to a sedan for daily driving for a long time.

My new commute would be much better with a more nimble car that the Xterra.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 08, 2016, 11:47:18 pm

My new commute would be much better with a more nimble car that the Xterra.

(http://www.avogl.com/images/Boxster/Lights-021002-018.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 03:43:30 am
300hp IIRC for 2011 and newer models, and about the VW dealership thing... I don't know if any price difference is worth having the same people that service Jettas working on your car vs people who service Porsches.

Well, it's got to go on the list. Can't really ignore it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 09, 2016, 05:07:52 am
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CAYENNE&showcaseOwnerId=97056&makeCode1=POR&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&showcaseListingId=434134159&mmt=%5BPOR%5BCAYENNE%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=428471089&Log=0

Mike, how far is that from you?

3.5 hours. It's at the other end of Ohio unfortunately.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 09, 2016, 05:12:06 am
Yeah but you get to curb hop in Raza's new Porsche
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 09, 2016, 05:58:26 am
Interesting. Needs more power and I'm not sold on the looks. What I want is a V6 AWD 2017 Tiguan with a 6MT.
Why, when this Golf Alltrack thing would probably be just as fast and weigh like 1,000lbs less.....

Cayennes are just Touaregs, right? I should be able to have it serviced at my old VW dealer.
Cayennes are actually more reliable than Touaregs from what I hear. From what I hear Touaregs will make your old E320 seem like a 1995 Toyota Camry reliability wise. Sprint, don't run.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 09:17:09 am
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CAYENNE&showcaseOwnerId=97056&makeCode1=POR&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&showcaseListingId=434134159&mmt=%5BPOR%5BCAYENNE%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&listingId=428471089&Log=0

Mike, how far is that from you?

That's closer to me, and still like 100 miles away.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 09:21:36 am
3.5 hours. It's at the other end of Ohio unfortunately.

That's closer to me, and still like 100 miles away.

Damn.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 09:22:56 am
Why, when this Golf Alltrack thing would probably be just as fast and weigh like 1,000lbs less.....
Cayennes are actually more reliable than Touaregs from what I hear. From what I hear Touaregs will make your old E320 seem like a 1995 Toyota Camry reliability wise. Sprint, don't run.

Towards or away?

As for the Golf thing, it'll take a little while to get used to the goofy raised hatch look. The 2017 Tiguan looks awesome. I'd even be happy with a 2.0T Tig with 6MT and AWD.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 02:51:55 pm
Talked to my old VW dealer.  They're under new management now (bought by a dealer network that I've had horrible experiences with, so that's not good news), but they confirmed that there isn't going to be a new Tiguan until mid to late 2017 as a 2018 model.  So that's probably going to be off the list if we decide to move sooner (one of the things my brother is thinking about is keeping the S4 for now, until the new one comes out, and buying an SUV in the meantime, and then transferring the ownership of the SUV to me when I'm out of school).  Tiguan would have been a nice bump over the regular mainstreamers.  But the current model is on its way out and stagnant for 2017, no reason to buy that. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 02:53:52 pm
Are the Outback and the Forester worth looking into?  What's the difference between the two, anyway?  Is the Outback on the Legacy platform?

EDIT:  Outback comes with a CVT?  Nevermind. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 09, 2016, 03:05:37 pm
Are the Outback and the Forester worth looking into?  What's the difference between the two, anyway?  Is the Outback on the Legacy platform?

EDIT:  Outback comes with a CVT?  Nevermind.
If you're planning on leaving the closet like most of the Spin then yeah. Otherwise no.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 03:20:15 pm
If you're planning on leaving the closet like most of the Spin then yeah. Otherwise no.

STI Limited gets me nowhere on the practicality issue.  If I were looking for a sedan though and could get past the looks, it would be a good choice though. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 03:29:56 pm
I no longer understand Mercedes's naming scheme.  GLA, GLC, GLE, GLE Coupe, GLS, G.  Where's the ML?  And is the GLK dead now?  Is it that the GL means "SUV" and the third letter denotes on what sedan platform it's based? 

EDIT:  GLE looks kind of like the ML.  But starts at $52,000?  That's right there with an SQ5 and more than a 3.0 Q5.  I know what I'd pick. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 09, 2016, 03:39:26 pm
GL used to mean Gelande, which is "open country" more or less.

Maybe it's now the truckier models are GL and the more carlike ones are ML?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 03:44:23 pm
GL used to mean Gelande, which is "open country" more or less.

Maybe it's now the truckier models are GL and the more carlike ones are ML?

I think the ML is just gone now.  I think the ML is the GLE. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 09, 2016, 04:02:15 pm
All SUVs start with GL now.  And then the third letter is the size basically.

GLC is an SUV in the same size category as a C-class, so it's the new GLK.
GLE is an SUV in the same size category as an E-class, so it's the new ML.
GLS is an SUV in the same size category as an S-class, so it's the new GL.

It's stupid, but I guess it makes more sense than the old naming system.  If they want to make it one of those coupe abomination versions, they just add the word "coupe" at the end.  And yes, I'm pretty sure they're making SUV "coupes" of all of those eventually.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 09, 2016, 04:11:51 pm
I no longer understand Mercedes's naming scheme.  GLA, GLC, GLE, GLE Coupe, GLS, G.  Where's the ML?  And is the GLK dead now?  Is it that the GL means "SUV" and the third letter denotes on what sedan platform it's based? 

EDIT:  GLE looks kind of like the ML.  But starts at $52,000?  That's right there with an SQ5 and more than a 3.0 Q5.  I know what I'd pick.
Yes, you got the naming scheme right. Makes more sense IMO.

Wait for the GLC400 or 450 or whatever the fuck the V6 version is gonna be. Though the GLC300 is more than enough for daily driver duty IMO. I want one for wifey bad
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 05:29:00 pm
Cayenne V6 6MT is on the top of my list now.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 05:48:41 pm
That sounds like a really bad idea
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 05:49:42 pm
Just get an X3 and never look back
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 09, 2016, 06:20:59 pm
Cayenne V6 6MT is on the top of my list now.

Dog slow.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 07:01:02 pm
Dog slow.

So? It's an SUV. 7.5 to 60 is quick enough for a car that will be mostly driven in the snow.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 09, 2016, 07:02:11 pm
That sounds like a really bad idea
Just get an X3 and never look back

Why? To both.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 07:40:23 pm
There's a reason why the X3 is basically the CRV of the class. It's very workable and more likely to stay together than the British cars. And although you say the cayenne is a "basically a touraeg" it more than likely isn't in many places that count, your VW dealer can't really service it. Parts are probably more bespoke and service will be different.


The X3 is also faster, more plentiful, and still pretty sharp to drive. There's a hell of a lot of used or new models to choose from, and long term reliability of the new 2.0T has been pretty OK.


The X3 is a fine car. Has about the same space inside as the Disco Sport and better, nicer, quieter than anything Subaru makes.




If you're set on SOLELY buying a car for AWD, and MK1 X1 wouldn't be bad either, although it's basically a 3 series hatchback in regards to carrying capacity. The old X1 is also a sharp car to drive, too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 07:42:21 pm
I trust a 60k X3 far more than a 60k Porsche SUV
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 09, 2016, 08:27:35 pm
X3 is the CR-V in bad ways too though, generic AF, not very good looking, just gets the job done

F-Pace, GLC, Q5, Disco Sport all have way more of that "look back at it in your driveway" factor
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 09, 2016, 08:37:35 pm
X3 is the CR-V in bad ways too though, generic AF, not very good looking, just gets the job done

F-Pace, GLC, Q5, Disco Sport all have way more of that "look back at it in your driveway" factor

Q5 and GLC look meh too. The other two are nice.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 08:38:26 pm
You can't get those used (at least not the GLC or F-Pace), and the X3 is better to live with than the Audi.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 09, 2016, 08:49:34 pm
An outback or a 4Runner will reliably get you to work :huh: and the depreciation rates are nice
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 09, 2016, 08:51:46 pm
I really want a Sprinter or Transit van. Put a small mattress in the back along with some other camping necessities, motorcycle, and some surf boards on top. Bam, roadtrip monster.

And I could drive it to work and have A/C. And it'll tow racecars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 09, 2016, 09:37:19 pm
How well would Eyesight be able to take Raza to work for him?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 09:47:20 pm
An outback or a 4Runner will reliably get you to work :huh: and the depreciation rates are nice


They're not as comfortable
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on August 09, 2016, 10:25:07 pm
SOlolY

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 09, 2016, 10:42:00 pm
Big hummy Matt Farah drives the F-Pace harder than Raza will ever drive his SUV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYW8C-r8ndw

Edit:  I think we should have a One-Take thread.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 09, 2016, 10:52:29 pm
:lol:


It was "solely" but autocorrect decided differently
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on August 09, 2016, 11:23:18 pm
:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 09, 2016, 11:59:11 pm
Is this some gay mark gay kevin butt stuff or what
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 10, 2016, 12:21:31 am
Jesus Christ



Solely
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2016, 04:41:05 am
SoLOLy
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 04:49:56 am
X3 is the CR-V in bad ways too though, generic AF, not very good looking, just gets the job done

F-Pace, GLC, Q5, Disco Sport all have way more of that "look back at it in your driveway" factor

That's true. My neighbors here have an X3, an ML, a Q5, and an Outback. The Q5 and even the ML catch the eye way more than the X3. X3 looks kind of cheap from the outside.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 04:50:29 am
An outback or a 4Runner will reliably get you to work :huh: and the depreciation rates are nice

CVTs are gross and never Toyota.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2016, 05:53:02 am
Yea lol @ 4Runner in a discussion about luxury crossovers

I do find it funny that our resident purist is going all in on crossovers though. They still make the 328i 4WD wagon
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 10, 2016, 06:19:29 am
300hp IIRC for 2011 and newer models, and about the VW dealership thing... I don't know if any price difference is worth having the same people that service Jettas working on your car vs people who service Porsches.

FWIW, when I did own my GTI and worked in NJ (Cherry Hill) the dealer I went to sold VW/Porsche in one building and Audi's in another. So when I would drop my VW off for repairs it would be in the same garage as the Porsche's.  :lol:

I assumed they did have different mechanics though.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2016, 06:39:09 am
They worked in the same space but didn't share tools, like a kitchen that prepares kosher and non-kosher foods.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 08:11:23 am
Yea lol @ 4Runner in a discussion about luxury crossovers

I do find it funny that our resident purist is going all in on crossovers though. They still make the 328i 4WD wagon

Well, it's about the right tool for the job. Assuming I get a good job out of law school, I should have the money to make two cars work, and over the past three years, my brother and I have on more than one occasion lamented the lack of space for cargo in our cars. If I were going for a one car solution, it's likely be something like an S5 cabriolet, but I'd rather keep the Z4 and pick up a small SUV for snow and hauling. It'd never be my daily driver, it'd never be a replacement for a fun car. It's like wearing a tie. You don't want to, but there are times when you pretty much have to. Plus, there is a certain romance about some SUVs, especially the Land Rovers.

I'll look at the 328i wagon again. Last I looked, comparably equipped, it was something like $12,000 more than a Discovery Sport. Not worth it, especially as it'll be an automatic BMW 3, and that will make me sad.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 10, 2016, 08:19:52 am
Is this car new or used? I was under the impression it was used.


Because a used X1 would be perfect.


(http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/47/980x551/546b366502781_-_bmwx1_cdauto_2414_4-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 08:20:46 am
Is this car new or used? I was under the impression it was used.


Because a used X1 would be perfect.


(http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/14/47/980x551/546b366502781_-_bmwx1_cdauto_2414_4-lg.jpg)


Likely new. I only looked at used because of the manual Cayennes. I want to lease something for the length of the warranty and never have to worry about it.

It does go to show you how out of touch I am with this market. I didn't know the X1 has been around long enough for there to be two generations.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 10, 2016, 08:52:56 am

Likely new. I only looked at used because of the manual Cayennes. I want to lease something for the length of the warranty and never have to worry about it.

It does go to show you how out of touch I am with this market. I didn't know the X1 has been around long enough for there to be two generations.


The old X1 is bascially a 3-series with a slight lift. The steering is nice and the car overall drives really well.


The new X1 is FWD Mini based.



If that's the case, BMW usually offers pretty OK lease deals. But TBH if you're considering a lease that changes the ball game. I'd really shop around to see who offers an attractive lease. Quick search shows the Disco Sport has a pretty nice lease (from LR's website), but I don't know if the Disco Sport is as nice as the X3. Not to mention that local dealers probably offer things differently.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 10, 2016, 08:57:20 am
Tiguan's offering a special, for like 1/2 the price of the Disco Sport. You can probably find a really nice AWD Tiguan for a fraction of the cost of the "Premium" cars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 10, 2016, 09:14:05 am
http://leasehackr.com/

I'll let you know if anything pops up that looks enticing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 09:54:04 am
Tiguan's offering a special, for like 1/2 the price of the Disco Sport. You can probably find a really nice AWD Tiguan for a fraction of the cost of the "Premium" cars.

Tiguan's due for a replacement that won't be here until mid to late 2017 (talked to a VW dealer yesterday to get a ballpark on when they'd be available).  I'm not sure the Tiguan is competitive right now.  To be fair, though, I don't know much about this segment; I'm only starting the research phase. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 09:55:08 am
http://leasehackr.com/

I'll let you know if anything pops up that looks enticing.

Hmm...that's an interesting site. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2016, 10:17:30 am
The tie analogy is pretty good. Ultimately, real life has to factor into daily driver considerations. I can't knock it. I just thought you would fight till the bitter end :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 10, 2016, 10:24:47 am
Tiguan's due for a replacement that won't be here until mid to late 2017 (talked to a VW dealer yesterday to get a ballpark on when they'd be available).  I'm not sure the Tiguan is competitive right now.  To be fair, though, I don't know much about this segment; I'm only starting the research phase.


"Competitive" is a myth, unless it something like a Mitsubishi. Drive what you want and buy what you want. Most cars are basically the same.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 10:31:01 am
The tie analogy is pretty good. Ultimately, real life has to factor into daily driver considerations. I can't knock it. I just thought you would fight till the bitter end :lol:

I'm still considering an STI hatch. :lol:  Just depends on when we move. 

The problem is that as sedans get more and more boring, there's little reason to go with a sedan over a slightly more boring, but much more practical than sedans SUV.  So if I can have a garage of two polar opposites, or close to it, it allows me to have my sports car 9-10 months out of the year and the space, practicality, and all-weather ability for those moments when I do need them. 

I think, honestly, that I did fight until the bitter end.  We're just here, at the end.  And there's no fight left.  I lost.  The market wants automatics, they want boring, hell, they don't even want to drive themselves anymore.  I lost. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 10:34:30 am
"Competitive" is a myth, unless it something like a Mitsubishi. Drive what you want and buy what you want. Most cars are basically the same.

I mean, is the gap between the Tiguan and something like the Q5, X3, and Discovery Sport at this point in the Tiguan's life cycle an insurmountable expanse?  I'm not comparing it to the Outlander and CR-V. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 10, 2016, 10:51:30 am
The problem is that as sedans get more and more boring, there's little reason to go with a sedan over a slightly more boring, but much more practical than sedans SUV.  So if I can have a garage of two polar opposites, or close to it, it allows me to have my sports car 9-10 months out of the year and the space, practicality, and all-weather ability for those moments when I do need them. 

I think, honestly, that I did fight until the bitter end.  We're just here, at the end.  And there's no fight left.  I lost.  The market wants automatics, they want boring, hell, they don't even want to drive themselves anymore.  I lost. 

And there you have independently arrived at the rationale behind cars like the X4/X6 that you hate so much.

I mean, is the gap between the Tiguan and something like the Q5, X3, and Discovery Sport at this point in the Tiguan's life cycle an insurmountable expanse?  I'm not comparing it to the Outlander and CR-V. 

Yes. The current Tiguan is a PoS. I evaluated and test drove one when I got the Countryman. I also drove a friend's one in SF last year. And I just drove an X3 last Saturday. Worlds apart.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 10, 2016, 10:52:09 am
I mean, is the gap between the Tiguan and something like the Q5, X3, and Discovery Sport at this point in the Tiguan's life cycle an insurmountable expanse?  I'm not comparing it to the Outlander and CR-V.


X3 and Q5 are also old cars. And this car will sit outside and only be driven in the cold. And you seem to like VW's and it's much cheaper than the Audi and BMW.  :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 11:14:02 am
And there you have independently arrived at the rationale behind cars like the X4/X6 that you hate so much.

But those cars add nothing to anything! They simply look terrible, make an inherently practical body style less practical, and don't make them any better to drive.

Quote
Yes. The current Tiguan is a PoS. I evaluated and test drove one when I got the Countryman. I also drove a friend's one in SF last year. And I just drove an X3 last Saturday. Worlds apart.

Yeah, the Tig's been around for a while now. Not sure I'd choose it when there's a much better looking one coming.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 11:19:51 am
I really dislike that I have to go into the trunk to fold rear seats down in certain vehicles, like this Corolla I'm detailing. Minor inconvenience, but it would annoy me as an owner. 

Also, doing Tacoma's front brakes tomorrow (assuming the parts get here).  Is a brake job as easy as I remember it being?

Jack up.  Wheels off.  Caliper off. Disc off. Take out old pads. Brake cleaner on all the new stuff.  Put in new pads. Put on new disc. And put everything back together. Repeat on other side.  ?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2016, 11:31:26 am
May have to take off the caliper bracket to get the rotor off. Lots of newer cars require that, not sure about your truck. It's obvious if you do.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 11:34:19 am
As long as I don't run into any asshole bolts (though that's always a strong possibility 'round these parts), I think I'll be fine. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 10, 2016, 11:45:45 am
asshole bolts . 

That's the only kind I get....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2016, 11:46:25 am
Bro a Harbor Freight electric impact wrench is like $100... worth its weight in gold
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 10, 2016, 11:56:12 am
Bro a Harbor Freight electric impact wrench is like $100... worth its weight in gold

Yea. With an impact, I can do brakes in like 20 minutes a side.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 11:57:37 am
Bro a Harbor Freight electric impact wrench is like $100... worth its weight in gold

I have a battery Bosch impact but it's only good for about 80 torques.  I could get a full-size cheap-o at Menards. 

https://www.menards.com/main/tools-hardware/power-tools-accessories/power-drills-accessories/tool-shop-reg-1-2-corded-impact-wrench-kit/p-1444436494173.htm
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2016, 12:08:33 pm
My bad it was $50 from Harbor Freight

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-heavy-duty-electric-impact-wrench-68099.html

Probably the same shit though. Either way, life saver. Crank pulley on the bike, axle nut and all kinds of rusty suspension nuts on the car. All kinds!!!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 10, 2016, 12:16:40 pm
hmmm......   Christmas is on it's way.....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 12:26:19 pm
My bad it was $50 from Harbor Freight

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-heavy-duty-electric-impact-wrench-68099.html

Probably the same shit though. Either way, life saver. Crank pulley on the bike, axle nut and all kinds of rusty suspension nuts on the car. All kinds!!!

Good call. I'm gonna hit up Menards for one today.  I don't like wrestling every bolt with a breaker bar. Shit takes forever.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 10, 2016, 12:26:37 pm


But those cars add nothing to anything! They simply look terrible, make an inherently practical body style less practical, and don't make them any better to drive.

The loss in practicality is marginal. And they do drive slightly better. I've loved every X6 I've driven (even with the base engine).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 10, 2016, 01:04:48 pm

The loss in practicality is marginal. And they do drive slightly better. I've loved every X6 I've driven (even with the base engine).

But in order to own an X6, I'd have to gouge my eyes out, and then I think after that I'd have some trouble driving. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 04:56:58 pm
Got a 220lb-ft 18V Li-ion Tool Shop impact for $89.  Only corded one they had was a 440 lb-ft monster for $99.  Debated it, but the thing is huge. I'm sure the smaller one will handle what I throw at it and be much better in tighter car-like spaces.

Gonna keep it clean and well-packaged and if it fails me when I do my brakes tomorrow, I'll hopefully be able to return it.  I'm sure it'll work fine, though. May not last long, but it probably will for my purposes since I'll only be using it quite occasionally. My Bosch takes care of everything else, like the dirtbike.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2016, 05:29:00 pm
What is the life like on batteries? Wifey bought a boatload of battery powered tools at a garage sale and I never used them. All the batteries were dead. A lot of em had dates written on em and dude jerry rigged a 120VAC to whatever VDC adapter for them. I figure I'm paying to charge the battery and use the energy the same as I would a plug in so mucking with replacing batteries is just added maintenance and cost
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 05:45:50 pm
Dunno what the life is like. Probably enough for basic projects. It's a 1.5Ah Li-ion.  So not a ton of juice, but it should at least last through many cycles. 

My Bosch has been great so far. It's got 12V 2.0Ah Li-ion batteries. Only have had to charge them once or twice since I got em and I use them fairly frequently. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 05:55:06 pm
Charging up TRACKER battery to make sure it runs so I can clean it up a bit and sell it.  I'll take $300, gonna ask 400 obo.  It's nothing more than a camp/trail vehicle at this point.

Gahhh it's fucked.  Started fine. No brakes. Dumped fluid in, cycled some into the lines, checked, no leak. Filled it back up, braked a bunch more, and hear it dumping out the RF brake line.

Probably just gonna scrap this thing.  Sigh. It was the best side by side ever.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 10, 2016, 06:40:02 pm
What is the life like on batteries? Wifey bought a boatload of battery powered tools at a garage sale and I never used them. All the batteries were dead. A lot of em had dates written on em and dude jerry rigged a 120VAC to whatever VDC adapter for them. I figure I'm paying to charge the battery and use the energy the same as I would a plug in so mucking with replacing batteries is just added maintenance and cost

Newer battery powered stuff seems pretty good but I like to have a corded version for most things. Nothing worse than waiting for stuff to charge.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 10, 2016, 06:42:33 pm
Newer battery powered stuff seems pretty good but I like to have a corded version for most things. Nothing worse than waiting for stuff to charge.

Yeah, I kinda wish this thing had two batteries. Or that they had an equivalently powerful corded version. I do prefer corded as well, depending on the application.  Oh welllllll.  $80 for an impact is better than a couple hundred bucks in labor for brakes at the shop.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 10, 2016, 08:16:25 pm
But in order to own an X6, I'd have to gouge my eyes out, and then I think after that I'd have some trouble driving. 

FWIW I do like the looks of the X6/X4 quite a bit. They seem popular here and I am not alone. I do notice that most US reviews and commenters do hate them. Weird taste difference there. AFAIK they're popular everywhere but in the US. Can't understand why really.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 10, 2016, 08:23:34 pm
FWIW I do like the looks of the X6/X4 quite a bit. They seem popular here and I am not alone. I do notice that most US reviews and commenters do hate them. Weird taste difference there. AFAIK they're popular everywhere but in the US. Can't understand why really.


Can't speak for the rest of the population up here but, imo, they're downright ungainly. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 10, 2016, 08:46:46 pm
FWIW I do like the looks of the X6/X4 quite a bit. They seem popular here and I am not alone. I do notice that most US reviews and commenters do hate them. Weird taste difference there. AFAIK they're popular everywhere but in the US. Can't understand why really.
Americans are automotive conformists & contrarians.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 11, 2016, 07:51:04 am
Americans are automotive conformists & contrarians.

Yeah, maybe, but the X4 and X6 are gross. The only way to make them bearable to look at would be to have a Nissan Juke next to them all the time, since in comparison, they wouldn't look as bad.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 08:11:15 am
Heh.  Brake pads came...I thought they came in pairs (picture had 2 pads) so I ordered two pairs...but they came in full sets of 4, so now I have 4-too-many brake pads.  Could return em for the $30 or just keep em til next time? :facepalm: :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 11, 2016, 08:55:11 am
They sell well enough in the US, but I've driven the X4 and X6 and at regular speeds and day to day driving they drive identically to the X3 and X5 I can't understand the premium.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 11, 2016, 10:29:13 am
X3 and X5 are ugly.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 05:14:56 pm
Yep. Got the wheels off fine but the caliper bolts don't wanna budge.  Couldn't get em with the breaker bar either.  I think I need that 440ft-lb monster.  -__-

The bolt holding the bracket for the brake line came fine. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on August 11, 2016, 05:21:43 pm
Yep. Got the wheels off fine but the caliper bolts don't wanna budge.  Couldn't get em with the breaker bar either.  I think I need that 440ft-lb monster.  -__-

I keep a length of tube kicking around for such occasions; put the tube over the end of the breaker bar and double or triple the leverage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 05:25:03 pm
It's not like 440 would start tearing heads off, right?  I feel like a lot of the pneumatics they use in shops are probably around that power range.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 05:25:34 pm
I keep a length of tube kicking around for such occasions; put the tube over the end of the breaker bar and double or triple the leverage.

Forgot about that...unfortunately I don't have any.

I do have some long close end wrenches I've effectively done the same thing with though. Adds like another foot.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 11, 2016, 05:38:15 pm
A big mallet sometimes works better than an impact wrench.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 05:41:41 pm
Got it. Connected my smaller breaker to my longer one via spark plug socket. :yee:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 11, 2016, 05:47:19 pm
It's not like 440 would start tearing heads off, right?  I feel like a lot of the pneumatics they use in shops are probably around that power range.

Not many.

If you have a 3/4" thumper, then yeah, or a 1" drive pneumatic it would likely do around 800-1000. 440 lb-ft is a lot of torque, and yeah it could tear the the head right off a lot of bolts
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 06:30:59 pm
Can't get the rotor off. Gahhhh I hate rust. I shall smack it til it falls off.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 11, 2016, 06:33:41 pm
Can't get the rotor off. Gahhhh I hate rust. I shall smack it til it falls off.
So this is an Audi?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 07:17:32 pm
So this is an Audi?

Nah, Tacoma.  I don't have the Audi anymore. (Guess I never updated my sig...I have em turned off so I never think about it).  Audi's wheels gave me the same issue, though. Whenever I rotated my tires, I'd have to put my back to the car, grab the fender lip, and give the tire a good donkey kick to break em loose.  Buddy that worked at a tire shop taught me that trick.

Got it, though. Saw a trick on the YouTubes where you just run the caliper bolt through its hole and use a nut or washer so it presses against the inside of the rotor.  Keep going til she pops or tighten it nice and give it a couple wacks.  Done!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 07:48:08 pm
Fuck.  One of the pistons in the RF caliper is stuck...which explains the uneven wear on the pad that caused me to begin this in the first place. Siiiiiigh.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 11, 2016, 08:19:43 pm
Can you unstick it with a c-clamp?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 11, 2016, 08:33:25 pm
Can you unstick it with a c-clamp?
Can you unstick it with a c-clamp?

Ooo didn't think of that.

Edit. No dice.  Looks like I'll have new pads, rotors, and calipers.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on August 12, 2016, 06:40:14 am
Is it the type of caliper piston the needs to be rotated to retract?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 11:03:52 am
Well, the spreadsheet phase has begun. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 12, 2016, 11:20:46 am
Don't you have like a year until you buy still?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 11:39:56 am
Don't you have like a year until you buy still?

We might be going now, with my brother and I splitting payments until I take it over fully after school.  He's decided against the S6 and isn't really excited by anything else in the market that's similar, so he's going to refresh his S4 (needs a little bodywork and some other stuff) and keep that for at least another year and maybe then getting a new S4. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 12, 2016, 11:47:11 am
Owwww shiiiiiit. Get test drive a 4Runner just to humor me. Be amazed  by its ruggedness.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 12, 2016, 11:48:31 am
Owwww shiiiiiit. Get test drive a 4Runner just to humor me. Be amazed  by its ruggedness.
Does that mean that it handles like a tank?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 12, 2016, 11:52:49 am
Does that mean that it handles like a tank?

Tanks turn on a dime and have zero body roll, so no.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 11:57:38 am
Owwww shiiiiiit. Get test drive a 4Runner just to humor me. Be amazed  by its ruggedness.

What did I say about Toyota?

CVTs are gross and never Toyota.

[emphasis added]  :lol:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 11:58:10 am
Is the Discovery Sport a compact SUV or a midsize SUV?  I don't understand SUV size classes.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 11:59:59 am
So far in my research, BMWs are by far the most expensive, the most stingy with standard features, and the only ones where at least partial leather isn't standard.  They're pretty much pricing themselves out. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 12, 2016, 12:00:17 pm
Is the Discovery Sport a compact SUV or a midsize SUV?  I don't understand SUV size classes.
I would say midsize.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 12, 2016, 12:09:25 pm
What did I say about Toyota?

[emphasis added]  :lol:



It's guaranteed to actually work!

I actually like Toyota trucks a lot.  Woman's family had two Sequoia's.  Not bad for what they are.  I had that Tacoma for a bit.  I loved that truck.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 12, 2016, 12:16:41 pm
So far in my research, BMWs are by far the most expensive, the most stingy with standard features, and the only ones where at least partial leather isn't standard.  They're pretty much pricing themselves out.

Local dealers might have more attractive specials
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 12:21:45 pm
Local dealers might have more attractive specials

True.  But just on numbers. the X5 makes the RR Sport SE look like a bargain. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 12, 2016, 12:23:16 pm
True.  But just on numbers. the X5 makes the RR Sport SE look like a bargain.

yes.


But local dealers tho. We had a lot of X3 leases due to agressive pricing.



But I also know that LR has been more agressive lately.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on August 12, 2016, 12:23:59 pm
It's guaranteed to actually work!

I actually like Toyota trucks a lot.  Woman's family had two Sequoia's.  Not bad for what they are.  I had that Tacoma for a bit.  I loved that truck.

Man I want a 4Runner so badly. How much did you get yours for?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 12:26:50 pm
It's guaranteed to actually work!

I actually like Toyota trucks a lot.  Woman's family had two Sequoia's.  Not bad for what they are.  I had that Tacoma for a bit.  I loved that truck.

No car will be kept past its warranty period, so long term reliability isn't much of an issue.  Looks, interior, et al are though.  Plus, never Toyota.   :lol:

Well, if the Land Cruiser were $30,000 cheaper, I'd have to consider it. 

Also, did anyone else notice that the SRT Grand Cherokee is over twice the price of the base model Grand Cherokee?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 12, 2016, 12:27:55 pm
Land Cruisers are gross
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 12, 2016, 12:31:02 pm
Land Cruisers are gross

Land Cruisers are awesome. At least right up through the end of the 70 series Cruisers that is.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 12:31:03 pm
Land Cruisers are gross

Well, there's no such thing as a good looking Toyota.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 12, 2016, 01:18:56 pm
Well, there's no such thing as a good looking Toyota.
One exception...

(https://s9.postimg.org/pe1hnltdr/1967_toyota_2000gt.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 12, 2016, 01:39:45 pm
What did I say about Toyota?

[emphasis added]  :lol:

Not that I actually think I'll change your mind, but why not?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 01:48:39 pm
Not that I actually think I'll change your mind, but why not?

Well, they're all ugly, so that's a start.  I've driven a few and been in a few more, and they all seem like floaty, soulless cars designed by suburban focus groups and created soLELy to maximize sales revenue.  Toyota represents pretty much everything I dislike about car manufacturers; it goes against my fiber to buy a Toyota.  Buying a Toyota would be the ultimate capitulation, the ultimate resignation.  It's throwing in the towel.  I understand that car manufacturers are businesses and need to run like businesses, but I won't do my part to hasten the demise of the automotive soul. 

Now, if we're talking old Toyotas, that's probably a different story.  Something like Rags's old 4Runner is a pretty cool truck.  But I can't deal with these modern ones. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 01:51:39 pm
One exception...

(https://s9.postimg.org/pe1hnltdr/1967_toyota_2000gt.jpg)

*currently being made.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 12, 2016, 01:57:50 pm
*currently being made.
True.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 12, 2016, 02:20:52 pm
Land cruisers are amazing
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 12, 2016, 02:27:47 pm
Well, they're all ugly, so that's a start.  I've driven a few and been in a few more, and they all seem like floaty, soulless cars designed by suburban focus groups and created sololy to maximize sales revenue.  Toyota represents pretty much everything I dislike about car manufacturers; it goes against my fiber to buy a Toyota.  Buying a Toyota would be the ultimate capitulation, the ultimate resignation.  It's throwing in the towel.  I understand that car manufacturers are businesses and need to run like businesses, but I won't do my part to hasten the demise of the automotive soul. 

Now, if we're talking old Toyotas, that's probably a different story.  Something like Rags's old 4Runner is a pretty cool truck.  But I can't deal with these modern ones. 

Fair enough. I agree with MrH that the Tacoma/4Runner/Land Cruiser are best in segment, and even the RAV4 and Highlander are pretty nice vehicles (I don't know enough about the full size truck segment to comment on the Tundra, and I kinda forgot about the Sequoia all together).

But if you care more about driving dynamics than practicality and reliability (which seems to be true for you), I can see why they wouldn't be the right choice for you.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 12, 2016, 02:46:26 pm
Well, they're all ugly, so that's a start.  I've driven a few and been in a few more, and they all seem like floaty, soulless cars designed by suburban focus groups and created sololy to maximize sales revenue.  Toyota represents pretty much everything I dislike about car manufacturers; it goes against my fiber to buy a Toyota.  Buying a Toyota would be the ultimate capitulation, the ultimate resignation.  It's throwing in the towel.  I understand that car manufacturers are businesses and need to run like businesses, but I won't do my part to hasten the demise of the automotive soul. 

Now, if we're talking old Toyotas, that's probably a different story.  Something like Rags's old 4Runner is a pretty cool truck.  But I can't deal with these modern ones. 

Toyota is beautiful in a sense that they are the kings of lean manufacturing and quality.  They represent how every company should act to design and produce a reliable car to the masses.  There is a method to their overly cautious madness.  And in the end, it makes for something that doesn't depreciate and you can drive without worrying about for years.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 12, 2016, 02:49:56 pm
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/03/2015-BMW-X3-xDrive28i-front-three-quarters-in-motion.jpg)

Just do it
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 03:03:53 pm
Toyota is beautiful in a sense that they are the kings of lean manufacturing and quality.  They represent how every company should act to design and produce a reliable car to the masses.  There is a method to their overly cautious madness.  And in the end, it makes for something that doesn't depreciate and you can drive without worrying about for years.

I know, I went through the professor worship of Toyota in supply chain management courses back when you still had hair.   :devil:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 12, 2016, 03:08:03 pm
JFC.  Got new calipers.  But of course the nut on the brake line connecting it to the old caliper is stuck as fuck and I rounded it a bit. Tried vice grips. Now I'm just soaking it in WD40 and praying. Gahhhhh why does everything here have to be rusty shit.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 12, 2016, 03:10:50 pm
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/03/2015-BMW-X3-xDrive28i-front-three-quarters-in-motion.jpg)

Just do it

Gross
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 03:12:05 pm
(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2015/03/2015-BMW-X3-xDrive28i-front-three-quarters-in-motion.jpg)

Just do it

No way.  The BMW X3 and X5 represent the worst values in their segments.  They are far too expensive thanks to bloated options packages and a lack of standard features, and on top of that, even if the end product comes out similar in price, it costs more month to month because they lease like shit.  A comparable SQ5 to the X3 xDrive28i costs $50 less per month over similar terms, has more features, better looks, and a better interior.  BMW is adrift right now. 

Frontrunners on numbers are the Q5/SQ5 and F-Pace (surprisingly affordable, depending on trim).  RR Sport is the stretch, Discovery Sport and Audi Allroad look like good lower priced options.  Jag also has the best warranty, and on looks, fights the RR Sport and SQ5 for kind of the hill. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 12, 2016, 03:14:25 pm
Raza did you watch the smoking tire f pace video I linked?  Good but simple explanation on the differences between trims and good advice on an "enthusiast spec" with the good stuff without breaking the bank
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 03:15:25 pm
Raza did you watch the smoking tire f pace video I linked?  Good but simple explanation on the differences between trims and good advice on an "enthusiast spec" with the good stuff without breaking the bank

No, I didn't.  In this thread?  I'll check it out. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 12, 2016, 03:16:16 pm
I think so a couple pages back
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 03:16:41 pm
Big hummy Matt Farah drives the F-Pace harder than Raza will ever drive his SUV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYW8C-r8ndw

Edit:  I think we should have a One-Take thread.

Found it.  I'll give it a watch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 12, 2016, 03:40:39 pm
I know, I went through the professor worship of Toyota in supply chain management courses back when you still had hair.   :devil:

Ah, the good old hair days. I remember it fondly.

Yeah, I think being in the auto industry just showed me how the sausage is made, you know? And Toyota was really one of the few that didn't totally disgust me.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 04:07:41 pm
Ah, the good old hair days. I remember it fondly.

Yeah, I think being in the auto industry just showed me how the sausage is made, you know? And Toyota was really one of the few that didn't totally disgust me.

Man of science, man of art.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 12, 2016, 04:15:26 pm
Toyota and Honda need to get their fucking mojo back. Having a great process doesn't matter when the end product is a CR-Z.....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 12, 2016, 07:25:18 pm
F-Pace and SQ5 are on the test drive list. Probably for the weekend after next.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 12, 2016, 11:35:52 pm
Ah, the good old hair days. I remember it fondly.

Yeah, I think being in the auto industry just showed me how the sausage is made, you know? And Toyota was really one of the few that didn't totally disgust me.

Yeah, I did an internship at the Toyota engine plant in Huntsville, AL back when I was still an ME major. It was a pretty well run plant.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 13, 2016, 07:07:24 am
F-Pace and SQ5 are on the test drive list. Probably for the weekend after next.
We're a bit disappointed by the interior of the F-Pace. Seems like a lot of plastic for what it is.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 13, 2016, 07:09:20 am
We're a bit disappointed by the interior of the F-Pace. Seems like a lot of plastic for what it is.

Sounds like the higher trims get better materials.  You can even get a suede headliner.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 13, 2016, 07:15:56 am
Sounds like the higher trims get better materials.  You can even get a suede headliner.
The dash seemed to have a lot of hard plastic.  We looked at it after having a test drive in a XJL  Portfolio, so maybe it suffered from the comparison.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 13, 2016, 07:17:33 am
I'd say that's a possibility 😂
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 13, 2016, 08:16:05 am
Yeah, I did an internship at the Toyota engine plant in Huntsville, AL back when I was still an ME major. It was a pretty well run plant.


Go deal with the dysfunction of FCA or Tesla or GM or even Nissan for a few years, and Toyota makes you feel like maybe you're aren't taking crazy pills. I'd never want to work for Toyota, but they're really good at what they do.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 13, 2016, 08:40:07 am
They're advertising lease deals on RR Sports. Need to look at those too then.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 13, 2016, 08:41:00 am

Go deal with the dysfunction of FCA or Tesla or GM or even Nissan for a few years, and Toyota makes you feel like maybe you're aren't taking crazy pills. I'd never want to work for Toyota, but they're really good at what they do.

Comparing FCA and GM to Toyota is like comparing being shot to eating flavorless ice cream.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on August 13, 2016, 08:59:31 am
Toyota is beautiful in a sense that they are the kings of lean manufacturing and quality.  They represent how every company should act to design and produce a reliable car to the masses.  There is a method to their overly cautious madness.  And in the end, it makes for something that doesn't depreciate and you can drive without worrying about for years.
100% agreed.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 13, 2016, 10:07:36 am
Comparing FCA and GM to Toyota is like comparing being shot to eating flavorless ice cream.

Yeah. I'd take my chances with Russian roulette.

The latest EVO has a comparo of the Giulia vs the Germans and a Lexus. They loved the Alfa.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 13, 2016, 10:59:55 am
 GT4 is today at its first track event. Without me!

 :cry: :cry: :cry:

Today is also wife's birthday so no can do.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 13, 2016, 03:38:53 pm
GT4 is today at its first track event. Without me!

 :cry: :cry: :cry:

Today is also wife's birthday so no can do.

Sorry man but good choice. :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 13, 2016, 05:26:51 pm
Sorry man but good choice. :ohyeah:
I know, just being a bit of a drama queen.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 13, 2016, 05:37:50 pm
Finally got the brakes done. New pads, rotors, and calipers. Had to get new solid line between the end of the flex tube and the caliper.  Rounded the nut at the caliper on the passenger side, so just replaced the solid line on both sides. Two 6" lengths with male ends was like $7.  Drivers side was totally fine on all fronts, plenty of pad life, but oh well...might as well do em both. Got my $106 worth of core deposits back and im happy.  They know me by name at the O'Reilly now.  I've been there...3? 4? times in the last few days? :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 13, 2016, 07:24:47 pm
I know, just being a bit of a drama queen.

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 13, 2016, 07:25:10 pm
Finally got the brakes done. New pads, rotors, and calipers. Had to get new solid line between the end of the flex tube and the caliper.  Rounded the nut at the caliper on the passenger side, so just replaced the solid line on both sides. Two 6" lengths with male ends was like $7.  Drivers side was totally fine on all fronts, plenty of pad life, but oh well...might as well do em both. Got my $106 worth of core deposits back and im happy.  They know me by name at the O'Reilly now.  I've been there...3? 4? times in the last few days? :lol:

:lol:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 15, 2016, 06:45:00 pm
Turns out BMW Mexico is lending us at the club an X4 M40i for a week. I'll have it for a couple of days starting this Thursday.

I'll post a report here so you all can hate on it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 16, 2016, 09:26:22 pm
If I have time tomorrow, I might swing by the Jag dealer and test drive an F-Pace. I'll be in the area of a dealer that had a private track (I've driven it before, it'll be interesting to try an SUV on the same track where I drove the hell out a 500 Abarth).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2016, 05:38:12 am
New A4 FWD gets 24/37/31 MPG city/highway/combined

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/08/no-diesel-required-2017-audi-a4-2-0t-ultra-37-mpg-highway/

To put that into context that is about what a Mazda3 2.5 does with less weight and what, 70,80 less HP and easily 100lb-ft less of torque

More crucially though that is only ~5-7 MPG less than the Jetta TDI which made half the power and did not comply with any emissions standards. I betchu with a mild hybrid setup they could push this over with more powah. ICE ain't dead yet!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 18, 2016, 05:45:10 am
New A4 FWD gets 24/37/31 MPG city/highway/combined

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/08/no-diesel-required-2017-audi-a4-2-0t-ultra-37-mpg-highway/

To put that into context that is about what a Mazda3 2.5 does with less weight and what, 70,80 less HP and easily 100lb-ft less of torque

More crucially though that is only ~5-7 MPG less than the Jetta TDI which made half the power and did not comply with any emissions standards. I betchu with a mild hybrid setup they could push this over with more powah. ICE ain't dead yet!

Doubt it will get that type of mileage in the real world though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 18, 2016, 05:52:53 am
The 328 was rated at those numbers what like 3-4 years ago now?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 18, 2016, 07:46:41 am
Didn't get a chance to drive the F-Pace yesterday. It'll have to wait until next week.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 18, 2016, 08:40:43 am
The 328 was rated at those numbers what like 3-4 years ago now?

I have to be honest I haven't even looked at fuel economy much in my shopping. But you got me curious and the 328i is rated at 22/34/26...so not bad but not at the new Audi level.

That being said when equipped with AWD the A4 drops to 24/31/27, the 328xi appears to stay at 22/34/26, so pretty close. BMW does have an extra gear (8-speed ZF versus 7 speed DSG) so maybe that is accounting for the better highway mileage...but you'd think 7 gears would be enough to have a tall OD gear.  :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2016, 11:08:44 am
Doubt it will get that type of mileage in the real world though.
Just realized this version comes with much less power than the normal one. So all that shit I was saying goes out the window.

I still think hybrids are the smarter way forward though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 11:16:56 am
Just realized this version comes with much less power than the normal one. So all that shit I was saying goes out the window.

I still think hybrids are the smarter way forward though.

Maybe he meant 328d. That's way more economical.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 11:17:20 am
I am getting the X4 M40i later today for 3 days. I know you're all excited about it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 18, 2016, 11:43:44 am
I am for real, though I feel like you will be a little disappointed
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 11:53:25 am
I am for real, though I feel like you will be a little disappointed

Maybe. I'll do a full report.

I know you're one of the few who "get" this market segment.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 18, 2016, 12:49:55 pm
I am getting the X4 M40i later today for 3 days. I know you're all excited about it.

I am curious to hear your thoughts on it, although I do think you should at least test drive a manual 340i first...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 18, 2016, 01:11:42 pm
I am curious to hear your thoughts on it, although I do think you should at least test drive a manual 340i first...

:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 01:44:37 pm
I am curious to hear your thoughts on it, although I do think you should at least test drive a manual 340i first...
Well played.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 18, 2016, 07:58:18 pm
You need to test drive a BMW Individual M760Li xDrive Model V12 Excellence THE NEXT 100 YEARS

Yes, that is a real model name.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 08:04:47 pm
You need to test drive a BMW Individual M760Li xDrive Model V12 Excellence THE NEXT 100 YEARS

Yes, that is a real model name.
@Dinner with BMW Mexico's CEO. Club thing. I'll ask.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on August 18, 2016, 09:13:01 pm
@Dinner with BMW Mexico's CEO. Club thing. I'll ask.


Look at you Mr. Name dropper
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 18, 2016, 09:18:57 pm
You need to test drive a BMW Individual M760Li xDrive Model V12 Excellence THE NEXT 100 YEARS

Yes, that is a real model name.

WTF? :lol:

Apparently you can get a silly-named trim in all of the engine/drive-wheel combinations.

BMW Individual 740Le iPerformance THE NEXT 100 YEARS
BMW Individual 740Le xDrive iPerformance THE NEXT 100 YEARS
BMW Individual 750Li THE NEXT 100 YEARS
BMW Individual 750Li xDrive THE NEXT 100 YEARS
BMW Individual M760Li xDrive Model V12 Excellence THE NEXT 100 YEARS
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 10:13:23 pm

Look at you Mr. Name dropper
Still here @ dinner. I joked about getting an M4 GTS allocation and the CEO shook my hand.

Now I am worried because no way I can afford it.

A little humblebragging never hurt anyone?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 18, 2016, 10:30:34 pm
Does Mexico get the carbon seats and such?  In the US the GTS weighs exactly the same as the regular M4
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 10:37:16 pm
Does Mexico get the carbon seats and such?  In the US the GTS weighs exactly the same as the regular M4
Euro version here.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 18, 2016, 10:39:09 pm
Nice, but it still makes dumb fart sounds
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 18, 2016, 11:36:33 pm
Initial impression. I LIKE IT.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/3fc74895b89bad8c46f304ff256c2489.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/c52d7855113c8be6a238fc8e75322c64.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/e2ef98204cf74f58b90bc9f7fed6b889.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 19, 2016, 12:00:51 am
How do you like the sound?  This new gen of I6 sounds a bit different.  Almost Nissan RB ish.


And BMWs auto white-orange backlighting is so fucking dope.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 19, 2016, 05:31:34 am
And BMWs auto white-orange backlighting is so fucking dope.

It's like the new Mustangs in 2005, reminded you of the old with a sexy newness.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 19, 2016, 05:45:34 am
It's like the new Mustangs in 2005, reminded you of the old with a sexy newness.

I don't think the 2005 Mustang Automatically changed backlighting color depending on how bright it is outside.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 19, 2016, 05:45:57 am
Initial impression. I LIKE IT.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/3fc74895b89bad8c46f304ff256c2489.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/c52d7855113c8be6a238fc8e75322c64.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/e2ef98204cf74f58b90bc9f7fed6b889.jpg)

Everything about that is horrible. If it didn't have a BMW badge on it, you'd realize it looks like shit too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 19, 2016, 05:53:32 am
Dash is a bit too fussy, but other than that I like it. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2016, 05:56:39 am
It's an X3M with a fastback. There is plenty about it that is not horrible.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 19, 2016, 06:15:36 am
Huh, does BMW have its own version of a virtual dashboard? Or are those physical gauges with some sort of LCD background...?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on August 19, 2016, 06:22:47 am
only the lower part is LCD.  The bottom part of the two main gauges are LCD graphics
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on August 19, 2016, 06:50:54 am
Initial impression. I LIKE IT.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/3fc74895b89bad8c46f304ff256c2489.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/c52d7855113c8be6a238fc8e75322c64.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160819/e2ef98204cf74f58b90bc9f7fed6b889.jpg)
BMW design still gives the impression of 'built like a bank vault'...not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 19, 2016, 06:57:37 am
Huh, does BMW have its own version of a virtual dashboard? Or are those physical gauges with some sort of LCD background...?

Why is "virtual dashboard" a good thing? I want a real dashboard. One that exists in the physical world and isn't prone to computer failure.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 19, 2016, 06:57:55 am
If I have time tomorrow, I might swing by the Jag dealer and test drive an F-Pace. I'll be in the area of a dealer that had a private track (I've driven it before, it'll be interesting to try an SUV on the same track where I drove the hell out a 500 Abarth).

FYI: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-audi-q3-quattro-vs-2016-bmw-x1-xdrive28i-2017-infiniti-qx30-awd-2016-lexus-nx200t-f-sport-awd-2016-mercedes-benz-gla250-4matic-comparison-test

Smaller class but might work.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 19, 2016, 06:59:58 am
Huh, does BMW have its own version of a virtual dashboard? Or are those physical gauges with some sort of LCD background...?

Sort of. On the larger cars (5/6/7/X5/6) you can get a fully digital dashboard that reconfigures the look completely depending on driving mode. AFAIK not as "advanced" as Audi's.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 19, 2016, 07:01:06 am
Everything about that is horrible. If it didn't have a BMW badge on it, you'd realize it looks like shit too.

When I said I like it, I mostly meant the way it drives. But the looks don't disagree with me.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 19, 2016, 07:06:55 am
FYI: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2016-audi-q3-quattro-vs-2016-bmw-x1-xdrive28i-2017-infiniti-qx30-awd-2016-lexus-nx200t-f-sport-awd-2016-mercedes-benz-gla250-4matic-comparison-test

Smaller class but might work.

If I recall correctly, the Q3 was a bit too tight in the back for our tastes. Personally, I would be fine with a regular Q5 2.0 or 3.0, or a Discovery Sport, but my brother is easily caught up in the prestige of things. If they did an S version of the Q3, that might be an option.

I'm surprised that the Infiniti is built in Sunderland. Kind of amazing--for a country that has no independent consumer automobile makers, they sure do seem to get a good deal of car production in their borders. I wonder if Brexit will change that.

I'm reading through the comparison now, I'll update with my thoughts. Thanks for the link.

EDIT: I saw a Q3 on road the other day, and you don't really notice how awkward the proportions are (as they noted in the comparison) until you see it in the real world. In the showroom, it looked fine, but on the road, it was strange looking from the side. Still, the most handsome front fascia in the group.

The Infiniti/Mercedes pairing seems to be working out very well. They take the virtues of both companies--namely poor design language couple with bizarrely chosen form over function, the new and continuing ability to shock their customers with poor interior design and materials, and the ability to smoke and mirror people into thinking that's what luxury is, and the ability to uncomfortably straddle competing purposes--and mash them together in two unappealing packages.

The X1 is the only one here that looks like it might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on August 19, 2016, 07:08:46 am
I don't think the 2005 Mustang Automatically changed backlighting color depending on how bright it is outside.

My 2011 would automatically adjust backlight intensity with the ambient outside lighting, as does my 2016.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 19, 2016, 07:14:00 am
Why is "virtual dashboard" a good thing? I want a real dashboard. One that exists in the physical world and isn't prone to computer failure.

Even your real gauges now are computer driven. Hell, even my gauges are computer driven.  Whether they're more or less robust than an LCD screen is arguable.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 19, 2016, 07:21:01 am
Even your real gauges now are computer driven. Hell, even my gauges are computer driven.  Whether they're more or less robust than an LCD screen is arguable.

Maybe, but have you ever seen a physical speedometer get a dead pixel?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 19, 2016, 07:31:11 am
Maybe, but have you ever seen a physical speedometer get a dead pixel?

Seen 'em go dead from stepper motor, comms, or electrical failure more than once. And that's complete failure, not just one little annoying dot reminding you your car isn't perfect. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 19, 2016, 07:32:13 am
Hell, even the pure mechanical speedometer on one of my Beetles was inoperative when I bought it; cable had torn apart.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 19, 2016, 07:33:37 am
Seen 'em go dead from stepper motor, comms, or electrical failure more than once. And that's complete failure, not just one little annoying dot reminding you your car isn't perfect.

I had lost enough pixels in my Benz's display that I couldn't read it.  :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 19, 2016, 07:35:52 am
I had lost enough pixels in my Benz's display that I couldn't read it.  :huh:

Things fall apart.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2016, 07:52:15 am
I had lost enough pixels in my Benz's display that I couldn't read it.  :huh:
False equivalency... comparing your Benz' ancient display to a virtual cockpit is like comparing a StarTac to an Iphone 6. When's the last time you saw a dead pixel in a laptop/phone/in dash navigation screen?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 19, 2016, 08:17:52 am
False equivalency... comparing your Benz' ancient display to a virtual cockpit is like comparing a StarTac to an Iphone 6. When's the last time you saw a dead pixel in a laptop/phone/in dash navigation screen?

I still don't like it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2016, 08:32:39 am
Fair enough. No need to pain yourself with rationalizations of wholly subjective preferences though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: veeman on August 19, 2016, 08:37:58 am
Like a labtop or smartphone, I don't think these new virtual dashboards are designed to go 15 plus years.  10 years is probably pushing it. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 19, 2016, 08:48:59 am
Fair enough. No need to pain yourself with rationalizations of wholly subjective preferences though.

Well, I had preconceived notions that were debunked. We're all better for it. You didn't change my mind, but I no longer have unfounded concerns.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 19, 2016, 08:54:29 am
It would be pretty funny for a manufacturer to put a big dot matrix screen in a dash. Maybe they will enable that as a dash skin.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on August 19, 2016, 09:05:06 pm
For me what I liked about the virtual dash is the flexibilty and (limited) abilty to individualize the layout. With Audi you also get your nav screen right in front of you instead of off to the right.

Plus they are just cool tech imho. I am actually not super picky when it comes gauge layout, though I do tend to prefer symmetry.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on August 19, 2016, 09:21:45 pm
The downside to the nav in the gauge cluster is that it's so horizontal that most of the map is showing what's to your sides instead of what's ahead of you. But it's a fun gimmick.

A number of electronically rendered gauge clusters really don't explore the full potential, and just have plain ordinary gauges. Audi was far more creative.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 19, 2016, 09:23:26 pm
I don't think the 2005 Mustang Automatically changed backlighting color depending on how bright it is outside.

Sorry, I meant the body.
New mustang reminds of old but looks new. This reminds me of the late 80s BMW gauges.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on August 21, 2016, 07:06:51 pm
Well, I passed on the X4 M40i today to another club member before we have to return it to BMW tomorrow.

Overall, I really liked it. I think the main point about it is usability while still being sporty and a lot of fun to drive. The usability point is very important. Keep in mind that for my needs here in Mexico City where traffic can be hellish and a lot of streets are in bad shape, the added height and ground clearance of the X4 helps a lot with "not worrying" about potholes, speed bumps, etc.

Drivetrain. BMW still makes fantastic drivetrains. This car has a slightly detuned version of the new M2's engine. Which is a tuned N55 basically. In this application it has 360hp. The sound of the engine is nice, with backfiring on the overrun and that sweet inline 6 typical BMW sound. As far as I could tell, I didn't notice any artificial engine sounds - it may have them however. Acceleration is about on par with my 1M which is excellent for an SUV. The gearbox (ZF 8 speed here) is a gem. With shifts that are 98% close to a DCT. It responds instantly for all it matters.

Ride. The previous club tester warned me that he found ride was too choppy. I didn't find it so. This X4 was equipped with optional 20 inch wheels with Michelin PSS low profile non-RFT tires. Both me and the wife found the ride very acceptable. It can get slightly choppy on side to side surface breaks. I'd say it's almost as comfortable as the M5 on comfort mode. Softer than all our other cars including the MINI. I'd probably get it with the standard 19 inch wheels and replace the RFT tires with normal ones to improve things a bit. Overall, the car feels built very solidly - bank vault like. No rattles or noises at all. I loved that.

Handling/Steering The steering feels "electric" which is to say devoid of feel. Not a huge negative for the kind of car. Still precise. Damping is great and the limits seem to be very high. I only drove it in the city so I got nowhere near the limit of it.

Interior/Space I really liked the interior quality of most everything but I think the general dashboard plastic could be better. Interior leather looked very nice and the current M sport steering wheel is fantastic. The car feels airy and space is great in the front. Baby fit in the rear-facing child seat in the back with no problems behind Monika. If he had been behind me it would have been a bit tight for me. The trunk is big enough for the stroller and some leftover space.

Gadgetry Being a BMW demo this was almost fully loaded. I found the stereo (Haraman/Kardon) great sounding. The bird's eye view camera was cool. I loved the new HUD. Overall, the gadgetry made my cars feel a bit ancient. I do like the gadgets in general, even the driver assist and Eco-Pro stuff. I find them fun.

Conclusion For a place like Mexico City (or most anywhere in this country), this car would be a great DD. It does have a very noticeable edge over a "standard" X3. The stronger engine, drivetrain, and suspension tuning make a very noticeable difference. I could see myself in one. But, other priorities come first and as the family's main SUV, an X5 makes a lot more sense. Sad!

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 22, 2016, 08:02:25 pm
LOLS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4abUj5JgFlw
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 22, 2016, 10:07:33 pm
Like a labtop or smartphone, I don't think these new virtual dashboards are designed to go 15 plus years.  10 years is probably pushing it. 

wut

Smartphones and laptops get outdated because of other capabilities (mostly battery, RAM, and processor), not because their screens die.

Plenty of LCD TVs and computer monitors have lasted 10+ years. I still use a 2009 Vaio laptop that doesn't have a single dead pixel. There's no reason that a brand new example shouldn't last even longer.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 22, 2016, 10:13:37 pm
To be fair, in an automotive interior that freezes in the winter, bakes in the summer and is generally exposed to more vibration and dust than the average laptop, 10 years is probably pushing the average life expectancy of a typical display.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 22, 2016, 10:17:53 pm
To be fair, in an automotive interior that freezes in the winter, bakes in the summer and is generally exposed to more vibration and dust than the average laptop, 10 years is probably pushing the average life expectancy of a typical display.

I doubt it. I would expect an average display to work WELL over 10 years at this point under good conditions. My dad's 2007 5er's iDrive screen is as good as new. :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 22, 2016, 10:27:50 pm
I doubt it. I would expect an average display to work WELL over 10 years at this point under good conditions. My dad's 2007 5er's iDrive screen is as good as new. :huh:

"Average." "Pushing it."

"Good conditions."
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 22, 2016, 10:46:07 pm
"Average." "Pushing it."

"Good conditions."

Yes. Those were words we said.

I also said "WELL over 10 years."

There are plenty of 10 year old cars with nav systems that still work just fine. There's no reason why a brand new example wouldn't be even better.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 22, 2016, 10:56:02 pm
Drove and detailed a 2016 Lacrosse today. Super nice ride, super quiet, numb steering, really liked the HUD.

But the door panels drove me bonkers. The window switch panel is angled toward the driver so far, and so is the door handle.  The door handle is like...past vertical.  And the pocket to get your fingers in to open it is super shallow...not glove friendly.  Also the the spot for your elbow is so narrow and you can't rest it up on the window sill because that's at like neck level. 

Overall, really nice though.

(http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2015-Buick-LaCrosse-AWD-Premium-Interior.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 22, 2016, 10:59:04 pm
Yes. Those were words we said.

I also said "WELL over 10 years."

There are plenty of 10 year old cars with nav systems that still work just fine. There's no reason why a brand new example wouldn't be even better.

And my wife's crapped out at 3 years. According to the dealer, it's not an uncommon replacement either. Okay, GM isn't BMW; and my anecdotal evidence is about as meaningful as yours: but neither of those companies actually produce the screens either.

I'll put it his way; there's no reason for a manufacturer to expect or even want their equipment to have an exceedingly long mean time to failure. I'm not saying they're he only thing you can expect to fail, or that older systems were necessarily more reliable (already went through that once). But, I would expect to seems significant failure rate in 10 year old vehicles.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on August 22, 2016, 11:00:28 pm
Drove and detailed a 2016 Lacrosse today. Super nice ride, super quiet, numb steering, really liked the HUD.

But the door panels drove me bonkers. The window switch panel is angled toward the driver so far, and so is the door handle.  The door handle is like...past vertical.  And the pocket to get your fingers in to open it is super shallow...not glove friendly.  Also the the spot for your elbow is so narrow and you can't rest it up on the window sill because that's at like neck level. 

Overall, really nice, though.

(http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/11/2016-buick-lacrosse-premium-sedan-steering-wheel.png)

Nice, but apparently not made for human arms with normal joints. Cool.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on August 22, 2016, 11:14:46 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/83/a0/3a/83a03aed0861ce0142f5fb23c5370227.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on August 22, 2016, 11:29:49 pm
And my wife's crapped out at 3 years. According to the dealer, it's not an uncommon replacement either. Okay, GM isn't BMW; and my anecdotal evidence is about as meaningful as yours: but neither of those companies actually produce the screens either.

I'll put it his way; there's no reason for a manufacturer to expect or even want their equipment to have an exceedingly long mean time to failure. I'm not saying they're he only thing you can expect to fail, or that older systems were necessarily more reliable (already went through that once). But, I would expect to seems significant failure rate in 10 year old vehicles.

Fair enough. I still think that saying "10 years is probably pushing the average" is a bit strong, but I get where you're coming from. I wouldn't expect an individual unit to fail necessarily, but I can see how it'd be a higher than average replacement item.

FWIW, though still anecdotal, my 2006 Explorer's touch screen display doesn't have any issues either (other than outdated software). I'm pretty sure it was babied by it's first owner (fully maintained a dealership up to 88k miles and 9 years old, and just better interior condition than any other Explorer of that age I'd seen), but I've been driving it on some rougher roads (hiking trail heads - it got it's first real test last weekend :lol:), so we'll see if it starts to have issues.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 22, 2016, 11:40:06 pm
Drove and detailed a 2016 Lacrosse today. Super nice ride, super quiet, numb steering, really liked the HUD.

But the door panels drove me bonkers. The window switch panel is angled toward the driver so far, and so is the door handle.  The door handle is like...past vertical.  And the pocket to get your fingers in to open it is super shallow...not glove friendly.  Also the the spot for your elbow is so narrow and you can't rest it up on the window sill because that's at like neck level. 

Overall, really nice though.

(http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2015-Buick-LaCrosse-AWD-Premium-Interior.jpg)

The arm rest and window switch issue look to be addressed with the new model

(http://www.futureautoreview.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/BUICK/2017%20Buick%20LaCrosse/2017_Buick_LaCrosse_interior.jpg)

plus it looks much better IMO

(http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2016/08/2017-Buick-LaCrosse-side-660x438.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 23, 2016, 12:48:45 am
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/83/a0/3a/83a03aed0861ce0142f5fb23c5370227.jpg)

It kinda made it feel claustrophobic.  Why are all the buttons and handles leaning at me?  Why do I need to rotate my wrist weird to open a damn window.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 23, 2016, 12:53:05 am
The arm rest and window switch issue look to be addressed with the new model

(http://www.futureautoreview.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/BUICK/2017%20Buick%20LaCrosse/2017_Buick_LaCrosse_interior.jpg)

plus it looks much better IMO

(http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2016/08/2017-Buick-LaCrosse-side-660x438.jpg)

That does look nice. This is the newest of this car I've seen yet (it only had 9,900 miles on it).  I usually lag a couple years behind since a lot of people besides old people don't really take good care of their cars when they're brand new because it's a clean slate.

Loved this red, though.  Brand new paint is just soooo nice.

(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e1/giant_mtb/20160822_150908_zpsyxhinoha.jpg)

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on August 23, 2016, 06:56:06 am
It kinda made it feel claustrophobic.  Why are all the buttons and handles leaning at me?  Why do I need to rotate my wrist weird to open a damn window.

Because GM decided that was *more stylish*! Some designer put together a concept, then passed it along to the implementation folks and said "here, see where you can stick a window switch."

On another note, have you ever tried getting a steady business relationship with a car dealership (either new or used)?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 23, 2016, 07:14:57 am
The arm rest and window switch issue look to be addressed with the new model

(http://www.futureautoreview.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/BUICK/2017%20Buick%20LaCrosse/2017_Buick_LaCrosse_interior.jpg)


Is that one of them new-fangled "death shifters" ??
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on August 23, 2016, 07:28:50 am
Is that one of them new-fangled "death shifters" ??

The issue with Chrysler's is that it's confusing to get into Park. Most of these shifters, including Buick's, have a button that you push for Park. So no death.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on August 23, 2016, 10:56:14 am
Re: display life

A 10 year old car with in dash navigation is pretty run of the mill.... I think they will be fine. You have to figure, just designing around the extreme temperature variations a car cabin faces will basically guarantee against failure 99.999999% of the time for the usable life of the car. Plus that virtual cockpit doesn't have touch capability which removes another parameter to design for. Should be fine.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 23, 2016, 11:13:00 am
Because GM decided that was *more stylish*! Some designer put together a concept, then passed it along to the implementation folks and said "here, see where you can stick a window switch."

On another note, have you ever tried getting a steady business relationship with a car dealership (either new or used)?


I've done some overflow work for a local dealership before, but AFAIK basically all dealers do their own detailing.  Would be cool if I could get steady work from one, but I also have reservations about doing things for dealerships.  They want it done yesterday and it takes a week to get paid. 

I'd also add that I'm usually plenty busy during the summer without any contract work.  Though, it wouldn't be a bad thing to do some work for dealers over the winter slow season...hmmmm.  granted, winter is probably their slow season, too, so I dunno.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on August 23, 2016, 04:25:48 pm
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/83/a0/3a/83a03aed0861ce0142f5fb23c5370227.jpg)

 :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: veeman on August 23, 2016, 04:46:19 pm
I remember the Shaq commercial where he sat comfortably behind the wheel of a Buick LaCrosse.  I think that car was modified :lol:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 29, 2016, 12:47:37 pm
Future Father in law ordered a 2017 Chevy SS :rockon:

Blue, 6 speed manual, no sunroof, spare tire.  Pretty much exactly how I'd order it, except maybe Jungle Green instead.  He claims he's going to daily drive it except in the winter, when he'll use his Pilot.  He doesn't drive a ton of miles though.  He's 65 years old, so if he gets tired of driving a manual every day, I know just the guy who would buy it off of him :praise:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: JWC on August 29, 2016, 01:48:33 pm
I've done some overflow work for a local dealership before, but AFAIK basically all dealers do their own detailing.  Would be cool if I could get steady work from one, but I also have reservations about doing things for dealerships.  They want it done yesterday and it takes a week to get paid. 

I'd also add that I'm usually plenty busy during the summer without any contract work.  Though, it wouldn't be a bad thing to do some work for dealers over the winter slow season...hmmmm.  granted, winter is probably their slow season, too, so I dunno.

They have to have someone on hand to prep a sold car....so he does detail work as well in between rush jobs. We used to send used cars to some detailers, but for what it took to bring some back to a condition favorable to sell, could take days when the seats had to be removed. Then there is the inevitable debate about something that a salesman said worked when it went to an outside detail shop, and the shop owner who says it didn't work when he got it and it isn't his problem, nor is he paying for it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 29, 2016, 02:42:00 pm
Would it be better to do the detailing work AT the dealership??

Subaru down in Georgia had our car done when it was in for the headgasket job. Was nice, car hasn't been that clean since new. (or since :lol: )
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on August 29, 2016, 10:58:01 pm
Future Father in law ordered a 2017 Chevy SS :rockon:

Blue, 6 speed manual, no sunroof, spare tire.  Pretty much exactly how I'd order it, except maybe Jungle Green instead.  He claims he's going to daily drive it except in the winter, when he'll use his Pilot.  He doesn't drive a ton of miles though.  He's 65 years old, so if he gets tired of driving a manual every day, I know just the guy who would buy it off of him :praise:

Or he loves it so much he gets buried in it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 30, 2016, 08:36:24 am
Maybe.  I'll get to drive it and see how great it really is though.

It's kind of sad.  That's going to be the last V8, naturally aspirated, manual transmission, RWD sedan ever probably.  End of an era!

If he does ever get bored or tired of it, he'll give it to me for carmax offer or cheaper I'm sure.  Carmax is a giant rip off so it'd be cheap :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on August 31, 2016, 07:59:13 am
Found my next car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFADGeGo7w
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 31, 2016, 11:21:47 am
04dram04 is my hero. that's tyte
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on August 31, 2016, 11:32:30 am
04dram04 is my hero. that's tyte

I think it's pretty dumb.  If you're gonna drive a Fiero, spend the cash on the Fiero instead of a fake Porsche body.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on August 31, 2016, 11:35:50 am
I think it's pretty dumb.  If you're gonna drive a Fiero, spend the cash on the Fiero instead of a fake Porsche body.

Buddy of mine has an awesome Fiero because of that. He spent the cash on building the engine up and improving the suspension instead of making it into a fake.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on August 31, 2016, 01:24:36 pm
I think it's pretty dumb.  If you're gonna drive a Fiero, spend the cash on the Fiero instead of a fake Porsche body.

I was joking, I don't normally say things that dumb, do I?  :mrcool:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 09, 2016, 04:39:13 am
Looks like Lexus design cues are trickling down to Toyota's mainstream offerings

(https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s750x750/sh0.08/e35/14295522_809199685889486_1339744932_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 09, 2016, 01:37:51 pm
So this license plate is running around Cincy :lol:

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14233043_10207326396468752_7095657680383771572_n.jpg?oh=e02de61e26b560a5e6b4d38b5c15d920&oe=587D2CD1)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 13, 2016, 05:42:17 pm
This guy has some points....

6 things he hates about the Ford GT  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I280XuCOfZ8
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 13, 2016, 08:47:50 pm
Found my next car:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFADGeGo7w

"Replica"

LOL

Quote
rep·li·ca
ˈrepləkə/
noun
an exact copy or model of something, especially one on a smaller scale.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 15, 2016, 08:20:29 pm
The arm rest and window switch issue look to be addressed with the new model

(http://www.futureautoreview.com/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/BUICK/2017%20Buick%20LaCrosse/2017_Buick_LaCrosse_interior.jpg)

plus it looks much better IMO

(http://st.automobilemag.com/uploads/sites/11/2016/08/2017-Buick-LaCrosse-side-660x438.jpg)

I like that interior.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on September 15, 2016, 08:22:23 pm
Kia is offering $25 to anyone who test drives a new Optima: https://www.kiatestdriveoffer.com/
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 15, 2016, 08:24:31 pm
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/1MHarris_zpsbe3rnu1s.png)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 15, 2016, 10:12:15 pm
(http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj593/MexicoCityM3/1MHarris_zpsbe3rnu1s.png)

I briefly considered trying to get one before they actually came out. I could have made it work, but the payments would have been higher than I was comfortable with. It may have ended up being worth it. :cry:

The S2000 may still pay off though. Probably depends on how long I keep it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 15, 2016, 10:12:50 pm
This guy has some points....

6 things he hates about the Ford GT  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I280XuCOfZ8


Really? It's hard to put in reverse, has no backup camera, poor rear visibility, and the doors swing too wide?

What is this, a review by my aunt?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 15, 2016, 10:16:04 pm
Really? It's hard to put in reverse, has no backup camera, poor rear visibility, and the doors swing too wide?

What is this, a review by my aunt?

He starts the video by saying it's one of his favorite cars. The whole point is that even amazing-to-drive cars have annoyances that you don't see in a typical review, especially if you're planning on using it for DDing or even the occasional random errand.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 16, 2016, 05:24:56 am
Really? It's hard to put in reverse, has no backup camera, poor rear visibility, and the doors swing too wide?

What is this, a review by my aunt?

:lol:

But seriously, imagine trying to drive that thing as a DD. Forget grocery store parking lots, you'd have to park nose-out at work, sounds like a hassle.


















A hassle I would LOVE!!!!!!   :mrcool:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 16, 2016, 05:56:54 am
He starts the video by saying it's one of his favorite cars. The whole point is that even amazing-to-drive cars have annoyances that you don't see in a typical review, especially if you're planning on using it for DDing or even the occasional random errand.

I don't think anybody on earth is cross shopping it with an Accord, you know?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on September 16, 2016, 06:13:15 am
Really? It's hard to put in reverse, has no backup camera, poor rear visibility, and the doors swing too wide?

What is this, a review by my aunt?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 16, 2016, 07:11:04 am
I briefly considered trying to get one before they actually came out. I could have made it work, but the payments would have been higher than I was comfortable with. It may have ended up being worth it. :cry:

The S2000 may still pay off though. Probably depends on how long I keep it.

I also considered one myself :lol:  It was so hard to get an allocation at MSRP though.  Dealers were charging through the roof if they could get one in.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on September 16, 2016, 08:57:22 am
He starts the video by saying it's one of his favorite cars. The whole point is that even amazing-to-drive cars have annoyances that you don't see in a typical review, especially if you're planning on using it for DDing or even the occasional random errand.

Yeah, they're things that are good to be aware of, especially in rare supercars that may require a deposit or even purchase before a test drive. A review doesn't have to say "don't buy it because of bad visibility" but it's better to mention more than less.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 09:25:19 am
Random observations about cars and drivers in the UK

People here are such better drivers it's kind of amazing. And just like Italy the lane discipline is orgasmic. So much easier on the highway

Women take cars and driving a lot more seriously. I have seen women driving everything from a Fiesta ST hatch to a full on NC race car, cage and all.

Opel Astra and new Megane are the sexiest C segment rides by a wide margin. Megane should come here as the next Sentra or Versa. Wouldn't mind an Astra as a Buick. Want factor, especially with big motors, pretty high.

Small diesel engines sound like school buses/submission/sadness. Absolutely crushes me every time I see a proper poseur class car with a "18" or "20" + d engine designation on the trunk. What's the point???

Seems like people get poverty spec diesel or go balls to the wall. Have only seen x20ds and full on M cars..... no x28/x35i or anything else in between

People here don't give a FUCK about pedestrians. You better move! Physics are law

B roads are not fun
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on September 16, 2016, 09:38:14 am
A lot of U.K. Women won't drive anything but stick

The astra is fing gorgeous. I Give long looks to the performance version every time. I'm always noting how well that two door looks too.

B roads have shit visibility around turns most parts. Can't have much fun in them at all. And theres traffic anyway. Even on the B roads :-/
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on September 16, 2016, 09:39:39 am
Yeah my roommate went to Birmingham (?) and rented an automatic Avensis wagon. She was terrified the entire time and said driving something so big was nerve wracking.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 09:49:16 am
People really don't comprehend the difference in road size. I felt more at ease on the interstates with the moving truck from NY to NC than I do in the C4 on a b road. Panda was "right sized" for Italy roads as well.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 16, 2016, 09:49:58 am
Are you going to Germany at all?  Lane discipline there is by far the best.  Puts UK to shame.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 12:24:04 pm
Are you going to Germany at all?  Lane discipline there is by far the best.  Puts UK to shame.
Not this trip. Next time we come to Europe I think we will hit the north and make a stop in ze Deutscheland. Italy was really good too though. Point is it's complete shit in the US. I feel no guilt or shame cutting people off or passing on the right anymore.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 16, 2016, 12:53:06 pm
I don't think anybody on earth is cross shopping it with an Accord, you know?

But someone might with Porsches or Maseratis or something. :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 16, 2016, 02:11:49 pm
I don't think anybody on earth is cross shopping it with an Accord, you know?
U still need to be able to see out of a car to drive it. I don't think any car is good enough to overcome that.........
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 16, 2016, 02:29:10 pm
But someone might with Porsches or Maseratis or something. :huh:

Or other supercars with low clearance, low headroom, poor rear visibility and funky shifters.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Vinsanity on September 17, 2016, 09:42:41 am
Small diesel engines sound like school buses/submission/sadness. Absolutely crushes me every time I see a proper poseur class car with a "18" or "20" + d engine designation on the trunk. What's the point???

Is the diesel circlejerk still a thing? I never understood the enthusiast obsession over them. They seem like the opposite of what a driving enthusiast would want in their car (low rpm, slow to rev, narrow powerband).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 17, 2016, 11:45:05 am
It definitely is. I think most American diesel enthusiasts have no actual experience with diesels
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 17, 2016, 12:02:14 pm
It definitely is. I think most American diesel enthusiasts have no actual experience with diesels

Totally true. Future father in law had his heart set on a diesel X5. Took some convincing but got him to order a Chevy SS instead. :erjerbs:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 17, 2016, 01:34:24 pm
It definitely is. I think most American diesel enthusiasts have no actual experience with diesels

Totally true. Future father in law had his heart set on a diesel X5. Took some convincing but got him to order a Chevy SS instead. :erjerbs:
Why do you hate diesels?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 17, 2016, 02:43:10 pm
People really don't comprehend the difference in road size. I felt more at ease on the interstates with the moving truck from NY to NC than I do in the C4 on a b road. .

:lol: Yup.

Towards the end of my stay in Germany I was ok taking the Voyager anywhere, but man the first few trips on the Autobahn were right-lane-only trips, and then white-knuckle brief jaunts into the left lane after a while....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 17, 2016, 02:43:54 pm
Is the diesel circlejerk still a thing? I never understood the enthusiast obsession over them.

Grass is always greener......
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 17, 2016, 02:49:50 pm
It definitely is. I think most American diesel enthusiasts have no actual experience with diesels

Well, with the exception of those coal rolling hillbillies...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 17, 2016, 03:12:34 pm
Well, with the exception of those coal rolling hillbillies...
I don't think those are the guys clamoring for 1L French bread boxes....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 17, 2016, 03:21:11 pm
Doing the math, at 50 MPG i spent about the same per mile here as i would have in the Civic or wifey's car. And to be totally honest it didn't feel underpowered.

Highway speeds were more like 70-80 rather than the 80-90 i do at home.... which is exactly in line with the average power difference
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 17, 2016, 03:42:13 pm
I don't think those are the guys clamoring for 1L French bread boxes....

No of course not; they would fall under the heading of "diesel enthusiasts" though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 05:44:21 am
eek!

Apparently there was a rush to restart the race after a crash during lap1 and a marshall had to dodge some Autos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeodhbC6zjU

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on September 19, 2016, 05:52:13 am
Seems like here were a lot of sparks coming out of that one car, too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 06:08:20 am
Seems like here were a lot of sparks coming out of that one car, too.

Probably got caught on debris??  The article talking about the incident said the marshal was cleaning up stuff.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 19, 2016, 12:05:05 pm
Average American spent $9,500 last year on transportation. I don't know if that counts depreciation but that seems crazy high. Even factoring that in worry and I spend half of that each. With the cars I want us to get we'd only add another $1000 or so each a year. That seems insane to me. $800/mo for a car with a median monthly income of $2,500 a month before taxes? Seems like a broken system
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 12:15:47 pm
Average American spent $9,500 last year on transportation. I don't know if that counts depreciation but that seems crazy high. Even factoring that in worry and I spend half of that each. With the cars I want us to get we'd only add another $1000 or so each a year. That seems insane to me. $800/mo for a car with a median monthly income of $2,500 a month before taxes? Seems like a broken system

Wife and I saw someone driving a new vehicle and did some quick mental math:
A $36k vehicle (minivan or SUV) financed over 3 years= $1k/month just in payments!!!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 19, 2016, 12:20:24 pm
People aren't buying $36k vehicles with no money down and financing over 3 years for the most part.  People not putting money down are taking longer loans than that, and those that are financing for 3 years are putting money down :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 19, 2016, 12:21:56 pm
Average American spent $9,500 last year on transportation. I don't know if that counts depreciation but that seems crazy high. Even factoring that in worry and I spend half of that each. With the cars I want us to get we'd only add another $1000 or so each a year. That seems insane to me. $800/mo for a car with a median monthly income of $2,500 a month before taxes? Seems like a broken system

You'd add $1000/year for a new car?  How does that work?

You're missing fuel and insurance too in that number.  You're also comparing average spent and median income.  Apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 19, 2016, 12:26:36 pm
Average American spent $9,500 last year on transportation. I don't know if that counts depreciation but that seems crazy high. Even factoring that in worry and I spend half of that each. With the cars I want us to get we'd only add another $1000 or so each a year. That seems insane to me. $800/mo for a car with a median monthly income of $2,500 a month before taxes? Seems like a broken system

Yeah,  well you ought to see how much it costs to keep a horse.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 12:39:28 pm
People aren't buying $36k vehicles with no money down and financing over 3 years for the most part.  People not putting money down are taking longer loans than that, and those that are financing for 3 years are putting money down :huh:

Yes but the amount of money involved is still pretty steep!   
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 19, 2016, 01:25:56 pm
I bought a car around that price.  Cars aren't cheap I guess :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 01:35:33 pm
I bought a car around that price.  Cars aren't cheap I guess :huh:

It just astounds me how much SOME people pay relative to their income. I mean, most cars I've bought are the equivalent of the "money down" on a lease...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 19, 2016, 01:38:27 pm
It just astounds me how much SOME people pay relative to their income. I mean, most cars I've bought are the equivalent of the "money down" on a lease...

I used to have an underling that made about 20% less than I did, had two kids and drove a new Evoque.

Her monthly note was literally the total purchase price of my car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on September 19, 2016, 01:39:43 pm
It just astounds me how much SOME people pay relative to their income. I mean, most cars I've bought are the equivalent of the "money down" on a lease...


Haven't you had a not small number of some pretty significant car repairs, though?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 01:49:24 pm

Haven't you had a not small number of some pretty significant car repairs, though?

I've replaced a couple engines, one after the idiots at Georgia Subaru didn't diagnose a head leak which made it keep overheating.

That's 3 months of payments on each car (3yrs apart) at that hypothetical $1000/month payment above.

I've done the math before and with purchase price, repairs, and an occasional rental car I come in around $150/month on car costs (not including gas/insurance/regular oil changes).  (I do a lot of the repairwork myself)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 19, 2016, 01:50:05 pm
Meh.  I'm more surprised by how people overspend on houses and vacations than I am on cars.  There are so many damn near mansions around here, and there's no way everyone is making the kind of money to comfortably afford them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 02:05:48 pm
Meh.  I'm more surprised by how people overspend on houses and vacations than I am on cars.  There are so many damn near mansions around here, and there's no way everyone is making the kind of money to comfortably afford them.

True!!

Vacations are great though- if you're not going into debt for them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 19, 2016, 02:11:09 pm
Families that are dropping $10k+ every year on vacations blows my mind.  I know they aren't making a huge amount of money.  That's $800+ a month just for vacation.  At least a car is an asset, albeit a depreciating one.  You own something at the end.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 19, 2016, 02:39:00 pm
Families that are dropping $10k+ every year on vacations blows my mind.  I know they aren't making a huge amount of money.  That's $800+ a month just for vacation.  At least a car is an asset, albeit a depreciating one.  You own something at the end.

YOLO-
Most of our good photos and memories are vacations. Day to day life who cares?...

But yes, MUST keep it in perspective and budget properly for trips.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on September 19, 2016, 03:56:46 pm
People are fucking retarded with money. I could never figure out how the hell people making $100,000 a year were rolling in $60,000 cars every three years, doing $50,000 in home renos every five years, and spending $10,000 a year on vacations.

Then I learned all about HELOCs. "200 grand at 3.5%? Fuck it, whatever!"
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Vinsanity on September 19, 2016, 07:02:05 pm
Average American spent $9,500 last year on transportation. I don't know if that counts depreciation but that seems crazy high. Even factoring that in worry and I spend half of that each. With the cars I want us to get we'd only add another $1000 or so each a year. That seems insane to me. $800/mo for a car with a median monthly income of $2,500 a month before taxes? Seems like a broken system

I would guess that figure also includes fuel, which I roughly calculated at ~$140/mo or $1680/yr for an "average" driver (this wildly varies in practice of course)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 20, 2016, 01:00:23 am
You'd add $1000/year for a new car?  How does that work?

You're missing fuel and insurance too in that number.  You're also comparing average spent and median income.  Apples to oranges.
My number includes fuel.

Monthly payment: $200 (actual is 150)
Fuel: 1500 miles * $2/gallon / 30 MPG = $100
Insurance = $100
Maintenance: varies (wifey's car is zero maintenance outside of consumables, I'm getting an engine replaced as we speak), let's average to  $100
Depreciation: I would say our cars probably lose... 80 a month?

So $580 a month, $7000 or so a year, but again I don't think they included depreciation so it's more like $6000 for us

Plus she got a factor in the average American car is 12 years old, which is too old to finance. And I bet a lot of people are running liability insurance only two. I figure our insurance is average for the country so you can knock another 200 to 300 off of ours as well. So I don't know where the hell people are paying 9500 year, unless there are a ton of people with for figure car notes and insurance bills bringing up the average period and yeah we're comparing mean to median, but we have to look at the information we have. You can still make some reasonable conclusions.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 20, 2016, 07:23:52 am
Most people are paying more than $200 a month for a car.

I still don't get how you figure a new car only adds $1000/year.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 21, 2016, 05:08:21 pm
http://revivaler.com/lincoln-model-kb-boattail-speedster/

(http://cdn.revivaler.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Lincoln-Model-KB-Boattail-Speedster_025.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 21, 2016, 05:22:42 pm
Damn that's pretty.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on September 23, 2016, 04:44:28 pm
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/national/demand-from-us-sees-additional-order-for-1000-chevrolet-ss-cars-from-holdens-elizabeth-plant/news-story/3c9378482ecda82fc989250c206bb9b3?nk=dd3ece9873f9550ace026869e2bd52f6-1474670430

 :hmm:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 24, 2016, 10:40:35 am
Supposedly LaFerrari had just left dealership after purchase...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3em6cTkDX3k


Info:
http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/1-5-million-Ferrari-wrecked-moments-after-6615584.php
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on September 25, 2016, 10:20:58 am
Supposedly LaFerrari had just left dealership after purchase...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3em6cTkDX3k


Info:
http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/1-5-million-Ferrari-wrecked-moments-after-6615584.php

Lawl.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 25, 2016, 10:29:40 am
That never would have happened with Real Time 4WD ®.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on September 25, 2016, 10:37:10 am
Gotta put a hundred or so miles on a set of tire to break them in before you try putting the power down.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2016, 11:03:00 am
Most people are paying more than $200 a month for a car.

I still don't get how you figure a new car only adds $1000/year.
Not brand new, just newer. Looking to get cars for ~15-20K which will put our payments up around 250.

Random thought, pictures don't do it justice but the OG Twingo is a great design. Simple and cheap but still stylish

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Renault_Twingo_(I,_Facelift)_–_Frontansicht,_31._Juli_2012,_Heiligenhaus.jpg)

OG Clio looks great too as does the new one.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 25, 2016, 01:54:59 pm
Also why do large French sedans have the craziest front overhang I've ever seen

Is there a frunk

(https://preview.netcarshow.com/Citroen-C6-2006-1600-1b.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 25, 2016, 02:32:21 pm
Also why do large French sedans have the craziest front overhang I've ever seen

Is there a frunk

Trying to get some Subaru success......    :mrcool:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 25, 2016, 02:32:44 pm
Gotta put a hundred or so miles on a set of tire to break them in before you try putting the power down.

Gotta learn to drive before you try putting the power down :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on September 26, 2016, 04:04:45 am
Also why do large French sedans have the craziest front overhang I've ever seen

Is there a frunk

The overhang itself isn't any worse than the W-bodies and i'm sure some other cars like the new Maxima and Dart (the dart is horrendous here).  It's just the way the front end graphics/styling is done and that the rear overhang is so short that makes it stand out.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: veeman on September 26, 2016, 07:21:55 am
Because a big nose is a sign of masculinity in France? (Cyrano de Bergerac, Gerard Depardieu)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 26, 2016, 08:23:38 am
Picked up the France rental and they tried to give me another Cactus. Raised a stink and they gave me this:

(http://i.imgur.com/bhVTORR.jpg)


That's right, brown manual diesel wagon (Ok not really brown)

Pretty nice, way better than the Cactus. Feels kind of big though. Kind of wish I got a B segment car. Averaged 51 MPG at 85-90 for like 150 miles. Feels quick enough. Really wanted a Clio though

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 26, 2016, 10:43:36 am
wrecks at the Nurburgring.

The second video is interesting to me- never seen a tow truck lift a car like that before. I Assume that they could only do this with cars which have roll cages installed....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bmw-drivers-had-really-really-170130238.html

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 26, 2016, 10:50:43 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/9knQimG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SqY7x8M.jpg)


SO FUNKEH FRESH

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 27, 2016, 06:44:46 am
I don't even get what's going on here. Dude either has proof that allegations are false, or doesn't. If it's false is the dealership just trying to scam money off someone who has a lot??

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swizz-beatz-hit-42m-lawsuit-211052640.html

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on September 27, 2016, 07:02:03 am
I don't even get what's going on here. Dude either has proof that allegations are false, or doesn't. If it's false is the dealership just trying to scam money off someone who has a lot??

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swizz-beatz-hit-42m-lawsuit-211052640.html

Swizz Beats....man, he used to be a top producer back in the day.  Time was the best songs were produced by Swizz or Neptunes, possibly Kanye.  Haven't heard his name on any tracks lately. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 11:27:25 am
After seeing the Smoking Tire of the one drive on youtube of the CL55 AMG, I looked online.  Sure enough, they're really cheap used.  This one is just down the street from me:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=45342&endYear=2017&modelCode1=CL_CLASS&showcaseOwnerId=69568033&makeCode1=MB&startYear=1981&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=25&mmt=%5BMB%5B%5D%5BCL_CLASS%5B%5D%5D%5D&listingId=434686454&Log=0

That's a big body Mercedes coupe with 493 hp in great shape for <$16k.  The reason they're so cheap?  The active body control suspension costs $11k to replace, and fails on a regular basis.  The guy on the smoking tire did a full custom airbag setup and spent way too much making custom mounts and everything.

Looks like you could do a coilover swap pretty cheap.  Problem is, there aren't any sway bars.  You'd need to completely swap a W220 front and rear sub frame to put on sway bars.  You could probably do the whole thing for $3k + a whole lot of time.  If I had $20k for a project car and all the time in the world, I'd do that in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 27, 2016, 11:39:45 am
You don't need sway bars, just increase the spring rate and control it with double adjustable shocks so it isn't too harsh. That, or you could probably custom install a splined sway bar.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 11:42:54 am
Guys are running them without sway bars and it's supposedly still pretty good.  W220 subframe and sway bars would be cheap though and I think they bolt right up.

That's a bad ass car for the money.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 27, 2016, 11:48:04 am
I'm not a big fan of sway bars any more. Shock technology has gotten to the point where stiff springs still ride nicely, and giant sway bars are heavy + put a lot of stress on the bolts + rock the car a lot on uneven bumps.

Edit: also, stiffer springs help with brake dive and accel squat
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 12:00:07 pm
I wish that ABC system on that one near me was totally shot and the thing was slumped over to one side :lol:  You could get that for <$10k then I bet.

That might be the craziest depreciation I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 27, 2016, 12:12:23 pm
Just go at night and cut a slit in one of the lines :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 27, 2016, 12:25:37 pm
Just go at night and cut a slit in one of the lines :lol:

This guy. :hesaid:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 12:26:41 pm
That's a near 500 hp, $120k+ super car for cheap. 4.2 sec 0-60 in a big body Benz.  Apparently the drivetrain is relatively bullet proof too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 27, 2016, 12:31:55 pm
Looks to be in decent shape, cosmetically. 

And omg shiny plastic wood from 10+ years ago looks so bad nowadays. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 27, 2016, 02:57:30 pm
A JB4 E90 335i is faster and pretty much better in every way. Those cars are cheap cause theyre not that good. At least get the V12
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 02:58:50 pm
If you want to throw mods in there, a pulley and tune and the CL55 is faster again.  That's a dumb argument.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 27, 2016, 03:07:34 pm
Both are going to get to 60 in the 3s with bolt ons. They're matched in that regard. But in everything else the 335i will be better. Better handling, better transmissions, better aftermarket support, cheaper maintenance and parts etc.... its a no brainer
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 03:20:50 pm
CL55s are a hell of a lot cooler and cheaper. :huh:

I think the powertrain for them is quite a bit more reliable than the N54s too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 04:11:42 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160927/29ef36108bc545d01b0b73d432c54c2c.jpg)

I see this guy on the way to work sometimes. Love his license plate :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on September 27, 2016, 04:48:32 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GtTyC53kjU
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 27, 2016, 07:48:15 pm
That runs through my head every time I see a GTR on the road. Glad I'm not the only one.

Btw, that photo was taken on my new iPhone 7 with the telephoto lens. Pretty impressed with how that came out while moving. :rockon:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 27, 2016, 08:41:33 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/PbP2hQU.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/9HUhvh7.png?1)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on September 27, 2016, 08:52:47 pm
CL55s are a hell of a lot cooler and cheaper. :huh:

Yes.

I think the powertrain for them is quite a bit more reliable than the N54s too.

I don't think so. The N54 is a very popular platforms and its problems are easily diagnosed and fixed. The CL55 is a much more complex and less common car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on September 27, 2016, 11:02:29 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160927/29ef36108bc545d01b0b73d432c54c2c.jpg)

I see this guy on the way to work sometimes. Love his license plate :lol:
:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 27, 2016, 11:36:03 pm
Both are going to get to 60 in the 3s with bolt ons. They're matched in that regard. But in everything else the 335i will be better. Better handling, better transmissions, better aftermarket support, cheaper maintenance and parts etc.... its a no brainer

Who the hell cares.  You're like those dubbers that compare STAGE 2 GTI FAP FAP FAP to fucking EVERYTHING because it's "just as fast".
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 28, 2016, 11:15:48 am
Detailing a new Silverado. 

Why does the door lock button work but the unlock button does absolutely nothing?  How does that even make sense.  Seems to happen after the doors have been open for a certain amount of time. The lock button will still fire the locks, but the unlock button does nothing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 28, 2016, 11:26:02 am
Turbo lag is for real. I have no idea when our where this thing makes power.

Upside is this thing can do 100 mph and get like 35 MPG. Fuck the hate, turbocharging works. Gas would only drop like 10%
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on September 28, 2016, 11:48:02 am
Detailing a new Silverado. 

Why does the door lock button work but the unlock button does absolutely nothing?  How does that even make sense.  Seems to happen after the doors have been open for a certain amount of time. The lock button will still fire the locks, but the unlock button does nothing.

There's always something that GM does that makes absolutely no sense.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 28, 2016, 12:00:52 pm
There's always something that GM does that makes absolutely no sense.

It just makes me ask WHY so hard.  I can't even comprehend a reason for it. If it ain't broke, make it complicated!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 28, 2016, 12:59:12 pm
Detailing a new Silverado. 

Why does the door lock button work but the unlock button does absolutely nothing?  How does that even make sense.  Seems to happen after the doors have been open for a certain amount of time. The lock button will still fire the locks, but the unlock button does nothing.

Wait, if the doors are opened, but locked, the unlock button still does nothing? Or only if the door are already unlocked?

It just makes me ask WHY so hard.  I can't even comprehend a reason for it. If it ain't broke, make it complicated!

If auto engineering is anything like software development (probably not but maybe), it was probably a "bug" that either slipped through QA or someone decided it wasn't worth the time to fix.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 28, 2016, 01:04:57 pm
Wait, if the doors are opened, but locked, the unlock button still does nothing? Or only if the door are already unlocked?

If auto engineering is anything like software development (probably not but maybe), it was probably a "bug" that either slipped through QA or someone decided it wasn't worth the time to fix.

The doors were all open and locked (buttons get pressed while detailing). The unlock button would not unlock them.  The lock button would at least fire the solenoid in the same situation, but the unlock didn't do a thing. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2016, 01:09:59 pm
Was this unlock button on the door or remote?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 28, 2016, 01:30:25 pm
It's probably a safety feature of sorts for some situation that I can't imagine
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 28, 2016, 01:51:15 pm
Was this unlock button on the door or remote?

The door.  I was cleaning the door panel.  Hit the lock side of it, the doors locked. Then hit the unlock side...nothing.  Not until I hit the unlock button on the remote did it reset and allow the unlock button on the door to work again.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 28, 2016, 01:51:46 pm
It's probably a safety feature of sorts for some situation that I can't imagine

"Wanna lock your keys in the car on accident because we made the unlock button not work in certain situations? Great!"
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 28, 2016, 02:01:01 pm
Maybe it's broken
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 28, 2016, 02:02:31 pm
Maybe it's broken

I doubt it. This isn't the first time I've experienced it on GM vehicles. Just the first time I decided to rant about it. 

As Michael Scott once said in an elevator "why is there a door close button if it doesn't even close the door?"
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on September 28, 2016, 02:07:29 pm
I doubt it. This isn't the first time I've experienced it on GM vehicles. Just the first time I decided to rant about it. 

As Michael Scott once said in an elevator "why is there a door close button if it doesn't even close the door?"

Placebo effect.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 28, 2016, 02:28:37 pm
Man I should have got a Clio. Same HP, 1000 less lbs. Strangely enough, same performance. But the brown manual diesel wagon is not disappointing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Vinsanity on September 28, 2016, 04:48:01 pm
Turbo lag is for real. I have no idea when our where this thing makes power.

Upside is this thing can do 100 mph and get like 35 MPG. Fuck the hate, turbocharging works. Gas would only drop like 10%
How badly do the mpg's suffer when the turbo comes on b00st?

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on September 29, 2016, 01:08:45 am
How badly do the mpg's suffer when the turbo comes on b00st?

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk
I have no idea, I don't know when it comes on boost. I know it doesn't like to operate unde 1500 so I guess that's it.

It will cruise at 80-100 in 6th gear at like 30-50 MPG on flat ground though. It's freaky to watch.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on September 29, 2016, 08:07:42 am
Changed a headlight bulb in record time on wife's Impreza. (I'm a super-clutz.)

Only had to backtrack once- closed the hood before I saw the plastic intake attachment thingey on the floor. Had to pop open to snap it back on and put the screw back in...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 29, 2016, 11:54:33 am
The new Terrain looks AMAZING in person
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 29, 2016, 12:00:49 pm
The new Terrain looks AMAZING in person

....wut?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 29, 2016, 12:08:24 pm
The new Terrain looks AMAZING in person

This thing?

(http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/media/assets/submodel/7616.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 29, 2016, 12:56:38 pm
Sorry Acadia.  D'oh
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 29, 2016, 01:23:42 pm
'14 Fiesta ST in the awesome lime green with <30k miles is $13k in California.  Those are depreciating like mad.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on September 29, 2016, 01:37:08 pm
Wish 4Runners were depreciating like that. Want one very badly
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 29, 2016, 01:40:59 pm
Just saw an NSX.  Old one.  It was driving the opposite way as me. Really dirty.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on September 29, 2016, 02:09:37 pm
'14 Fiesta ST in the awesome lime green with <30k miles is $13k in California.  Those are depreciating like mad.

Aren't they only $16-17k new?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 29, 2016, 02:55:20 pm
Aren't they only $16-17k new?

Over 20k dude
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on September 29, 2016, 02:57:45 pm
ST starts at $20,970.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on September 29, 2016, 03:35:51 pm
'14 Fiesta ST in the awesome lime green with <30k miles is $13k in California.  Those are depreciating like mad.


Do a background check on that particular Fiesta. It's probably been run into something, or has serious issues.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on September 29, 2016, 03:42:46 pm
...I'm not buying it. I just thought it was interesting
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on September 29, 2016, 04:45:38 pm
Just saw an NSX.  Old one.  It was driving the opposite way as me. Really dirty.

I saw one last Friday; what a beaut.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on September 29, 2016, 06:16:55 pm
I saw one last Friday; what a beaut.

I honestly wasn't sure what it was until after it zipped past. Saw something Honda-ish, but not the norm so I was paying attention, and then once I saw it whiz past and saw the wing in the side mirror I was like fuuuuuuck that was an NSX!

Perhaps the first I've ever seen in person, though it barely counts. Rare spot in the UP though, regardless.

And it was filthy. I couldnt even tell you what color it was besides something dark. Blue or black methinks. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on September 30, 2016, 06:12:58 am
The new Chebby Duralube only has 445 huspowa an 910 torks. Functional hood scoop? Lame.

(http://image.trucktrend.com/f/177161615+w660+h495+q80+re0+cr1+ar0/2017-chevrolet-silverado-2500hd-right-front-angle.jpg)

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on September 30, 2016, 08:31:33 am
...I'm not buying it. I just thought it was interesting

you should really do a background check before you pull the trigger on it
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on September 30, 2016, 01:43:02 pm
you should really do a background check before you pull the trigger on it

And probably test drive a 340i track pack before committing
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 02, 2016, 09:50:06 pm
https://www.reddit.com/r/Autos/comme...built_racecar/

(http://i.imgur.com/aHfDrmK.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/rueKGTy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/NTyelHu.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XTOoI2V.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/WlLHp3C.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/IaIJxuA.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/bMuAgyY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/05y5qkN.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/sLbg2Qn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/V0MCMpz.jpg)


[video=youtube;BnNas-Hnhro]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnNas-Hnhro[/video]

[video=youtube;22YoQQWqj3M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22YoQQWqj3M[/video]

[video=youtube;eM2A-MT5VLI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM2A-MT5VLI[/video]


Details:
Engine: - 2.0 Liter K20Z1 pulled from a 2006 Acura RSX Type S
Transmission - 6-Speed Manual. Hydraulic clutch.
Fuel System - Walbro fuel pump. - 10 Gallon tank.
Electrical - Weather proofed most electrical connectors. - Factory RSX ECU/ECM and harness.
Brakes: - Wilwood brake pedals with front/rear bias adjustment. - Rears are factory Acura RSX Type S - Fronts are factory metric Mustang II (spindles and calipers)
Suspension: - Designed using vsusp. - Double unequal wishbones. - Adjustable rod ends. - Control arms built using DOM steel tubing. - Bell crank style coilovers out of 4 Yamaha R1 bikes
Steering: - Rack and pinion cast alloy steering rack 1.5 turns lock to lock. - Factory RSX steering column. - Grip Royal Racing steering wheel.
Wheels: - XXR 521 18x10
Chassis: - Mild steel tubing, MIG welded. Sand blasted and powder coated.
Body: - Light weight aluminum panels (non structural).
Seating: - Two Corbeau racing seats - 4 - point Sparco harness.
Weight: 1500 lb (estimate)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 03, 2016, 05:00:35 am
Nice go kart.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 03, 2016, 06:28:49 am
Sweet! Until the radiator takes a rock hit our some rain goes into the intake....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 03, 2016, 06:31:00 am
Sweet! Until the radiator takes a rock hit our some rain goes into the intake....

A little bit of rain won't hurt. Engine just becomes a self cooling steam engine.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 03, 2016, 07:24:59 am
A little bit of rain won't hurt. Engine just becomes a self cooling steam engine.

How about a downpour on your way home from work? That intake is sitting up high and would be sucking it all in....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 03, 2016, 08:38:07 am
Cool project, but a few things I don't like:

- the wheels.  Way too big.  Tiny little brake rotors in there and rubber band tires
- the roll hoop.  I don't like the single hoop in the middle.  Either span across both seats or go with two hoops.
- the angle everything is mounted in the rear.  Why are the taillights angled down?  And the exhaust going up outside the frame?  Mount those taillights horizontal, and bend some tubes to fit the exhaust under the license plate.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 03, 2016, 08:47:45 am
Ariel needs to make a working class Atom. Cool project though

I am kind of missing the diesel torque :(
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 03, 2016, 08:50:06 am
Oh.  That whole thing was apparently custom built, not an exocet kit.  And he's selling it and wants $25k for it :wtf:

Yeah, I'd rather do an exocet.  I have a lot more faith in a kit like that than some random dude deciding suspension geometries and everything in his garage.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 06, 2016, 06:08:00 am
Cars are so crazy these days. C&D's 740i weighs 4400lbs, does the quarter mile in the low 13s and has averaged 26 MPG over 13,000 miles.... what kind of sorcery is this?

I'm trying to think of a metric to describe a car's performance efficiency.... something involving 1/4 time + trap, MPG, curb weight and frontal area. I feel like we haven't really grasped how much more efficient cars have become.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 07, 2016, 01:46:30 pm
Electric FFR 818

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxR0pl4UTlM
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 09, 2016, 09:24:35 pm
Rally moments.

Why do so many people have death wishes???  Standing too close to the corners etc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQwH_Qj1x0
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 10, 2016, 04:18:49 am
Will you should take your kids to some local dirt track.  There's tons around central NY and it's good fun.  Both of these videos a crash happened less than 2 seconds after I ended the video  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vHzq8tf-VY

Sorry couldn't get my phone to focus for this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp6MB0Ta-r4

and kids love the fudge-packers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIiKJA6gAxc
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 10, 2016, 07:22:48 am
I really want to find a 2009 911 carrera 4s in blue.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 11, 2016, 12:04:02 pm
2G Camaro love

(http://i.imgur.com/RYle0J2.png)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 11, 2016, 10:30:35 pm
They're building a Charger right now too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on October 12, 2016, 04:02:59 am
http://blog.caranddriver.com/how-we-specd-it-2017-porsche-911/

Good read
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 04:14:11 am
Not sure whether I'd spec the leather pack to cover the aluminum trim.  Don't really like how it looks.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on October 12, 2016, 04:25:46 am
I think it's cool to see the thought process from an actual level-headed buyer. 

There's some things I'd change, but I love the way it looks.  I'd go non-S too
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 05:51:25 am
Me as well.  If I wanted more power it's easily attainable.  I don't know what the options are but I assume adaptive dampers are not standard?  Tough choice but I think a base 911, aftermarket exhaust, lightweight wheels, and KW V3s/DDCs would be boss.

$99,790 for my desired spec.

(http://pics.porsche.com/rtt/iris?COSY-EU-100-17116bXqc6eP3Hi1qwT9HcnyInrHKxJTTPE3kUWFYRpwY4EJl%25Dx7Jm8Uv1TjFHIQuWgds6yJ5EiSRlW9ACvW6pXdGC2fEGLyKr6ugLLN9yvqYdMteTko6S0bu1CWaVDuW6X2xya3jrxmqqctLD6L8T7wG2Epk6a0X%25EpnRnw7KNbdMG5VVMhhUv1szaHnLwNaIKyuiZkQJtmcrsF5R6AHKr8xa2OVQilr0x91NW4oaTI7gqz1M)
(http://pics.porsche.com/rtt/iris?COSY-EU-100-17116bXqc6eP3Hi1qwT9HcnyInrHKxJTTPE3kUWFYRpwY4EJl%25Dx7Jm8Uv1TjFHIQuWgds6yJ5ajSRlW9ACvW6pXdGu8aq1B%25%25r6ueHLN9ybS4wqEZp1l3UAso1UqzMguAVhagJHH5y%25oq%25vSTmjMXD4qAZz7XDFOFmT8rpN9jIss9ii2elQ0AtF%25mrAW8u1Yn4kfyJ5aQxIOqct8avgAMKskYdaZg6lrURwASWTBH0l9)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 12, 2016, 06:16:41 am
The lowest 911 I would want starts at $108K.  Targa.  I wish they made it in RWD, but I guess that just makes it a top "down" year round choice, even when it's snowing. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 12, 2016, 07:31:50 am
Mine came in at $133k :cry:  Carrera 2S with all the sport packages and red leather.  CC spent way too much on interior leather things.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on October 12, 2016, 08:31:48 am
Some notes from the build:

Oooh that Sapphire Blue Metallic looks good on the configurator.

Porsche Entry and Drive?  Nah, I want to feel that 911 key in my hand when I walk to the car.

Sport Exhaust system because sometimes I want it loud and clear.

Multifunction wheel -  I love that it still leaves the negative space

Sport Seats Plus - cheapest seat option I think I've ever seen from any OEM.

Rear wiper because fastback in the rain = can't see shit.

Smokers package makes the console look better.  And luggage net because free shit.

Euro or Atlanta delivery for sure


Base price:$89,400
Price for Equipment:$5,290
Delivery, Processing, and Handling Fee  $1,050
Total Price:*$95,740


Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 11:14:09 am
Replacing the serpentine belt on the 2011 Explorer my parents are trying to sell. I'm guessing it snapped just 'cause it sits all the time.

Have to take the FR wheel off to make it easier.  And the tensioner doesn't use a socket...it uses a 1-1/4" square tab that you put a wrench on to loosen it. Never seen that before, but I suppose it prevents tightening the bolt to hell like you basically do on a normal tensioner with its reverse threaded bolt. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 12, 2016, 12:58:07 pm
I would get a 911 C2 with:

- Sapphire Blue exterior/Luxor Beige interior
- PDK
- Premium Package Plus (LED headlights + vented seats won me over)
- 18-way sport seats
- Bose stereo
- White instrument dials (like my old Maximas :) )

Aside from that I would get whatever the best coilovers Bilstein makes for this are, along with better pads and a set of track wheels/tires.

I think it all came to $120K.

Or I would just wait for the inevitable GTS which will cost like $110K and have basically everything I want....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 12, 2016, 03:05:58 pm
GTS will be more like 120k if it comes out.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on October 12, 2016, 05:51:38 pm
Weird. The 3.5L V6 in parents' Explorer only has three drive pulleys.  Crank, generator, and what I assume is the water pump. ...the pump must also drive the p/s..?  Only other pulley is the tensioner pulley.  I searched far and wide, and it's a short little belt, so I guess it's correct.  Electric p/s?  Would make sense...the p/s was pulsing when I moved it into the garage...I'd expect no p/s with a pump.

Who knows. Got it on in a couple hours.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on October 12, 2016, 08:17:16 pm
These days Mexico is about the least expensive place on the planet to buy a car, especially Germán premium ones.

I specced my dream 911 Carrera and it comes out to about 96K.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 13, 2016, 06:50:11 am
Porsche options: Hey, you want this thing?  It's only $600.  But to add it, you need these other things, which cost $8000.  Thank you!

So many choices, most of which I don't have the energy to research, so I just took a stab at it.  So, my Targa comes to $126K

(http://pics.porsche.com/rtt/iris?COSY-EU-100-17116bXqc6eP3Hi1qwT9HcnyInrHKxJTTPE3kUWFYRpwY4EJlZDx7Jm8Uv1TjFHIQuWgds6yJ5EiSRlW9ACvW6pXdG7naq1XDEr6uEJzN9ysV4w3GydkoCo7fQDfaCJspJcxZYSvJI0iD1rGfCT8kEhf8Dde5JkSMQ5LooRmHhDHguyY2elj0DkrdtljAnAYy1LGVb2OEEb99vBC2fT8CunxG2E2JK51ecmQTnSowY4i4w1ZMko695FcLhMm%25H0YnyhuJiEt29kPhDJzBjTqajF7KfZpBX)
(http://pics.porsche.com/rtt/iris?COSY-EU-100-17116bXqc6eP3Hi1qwT9HcnyInrHKxJTTPE3kUWFYRpwY4EJlZDx7Jm8Uv1TjFHIQuWgds6yJ5EiSRlW9tCvW6pXdG7naq1XDEr6uEJzN9ysV4w3GydkoCo7fQDfaCJspJcxZYSvJI0iD1rGfCT8kEhf8Dde5JkSMQ5LooRmHhDHguyY2elj0DkrdtljAnAYy1LGVb2OEEb99vBC2fT8CunxG2E2JK51ecmQTnSowY4N%25bQ2dESiDhQ3TrkzespZ3naVK07S2J3lavmCRXGCD4qAb1m8)


Base Price 911 Targa 4
991510
$108,600
Price for Equipment
$16,300
Destination Charge
$1,050
Total Price*
$125,950
excl. Accessories
$4,490
Exterior Color
White
0Q
$0
Targa Roof in Red
5V
$0
Interior Color
Leather Interior in Black/Bordeaux Red
BM
$4,280
Packages
Premium Package Plus i.c.w. Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way)
P3G
$3,970
LED Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System Plus (PDLS+)
602
$0
Porsche Entry & Drive
$0
Auto-Dimming Mirrors
$0
Light Design Package
$0
Seat Heating (Front)
$0
Seat Ventilation (Front)
$0
Exterior
Model Designation "911"
911
$0
Power Folding Exterior Mirrors
748
$320
Performance
Manual Transmission
487
$0
Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
220
$1,320
Wheels
19" Carrera Wheels
432
$0
Wheel Accessories
Wheel Center Caps with Colored Porsche Crest
446
$185
Interior
Lane Change Assist (LCA)
457
$850
GT Sport Steering Wheel
858
$320
Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way) with Memory Package
P07
$3,465
Audio and Communications
BOSE® Surround Sound System
9VL
$1,590
Total Price:*
$125,950
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2016, 07:03:39 am
Is it me or does this 335i sound like a Cummins diesel (0:40)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evqiOSxjpN0&t=40
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 15, 2016, 07:51:55 am
I used to laugh at people complaining about, or shopping based on, "luxury features".

But we have to show IDs everytime we enter the base, having to hold the button to raise the window back up in my wife's car is seriously annoying. Odyssey has auto-up in addition to auto-down on the driver window.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 15, 2016, 08:51:43 am
Bro once you become accustomed to a certain level of luxury it's hard to go back

My wife's car has auto up/down on all windows.... pisses me off in my car that I only have it for the driver. Supposed to be the top trim (EX)

I miss navigation and fuel economy in the trip computer too.... next ride
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 15, 2016, 08:55:11 am
Bro once you become accustomed to a certain level of luxury it's hard to go back

My wife's car has auto up/down on all windows.... pisses me off in my car that I only have it for the driver. Supposed to be the top trim (EX)

I miss navigation and fuel economy in the trip computer too.... next ride

Auto up/down windows are sooooooooo Idiocracy You can't hold a button down for five seconds? Lol. I like it, too.

Element EX only has it for the driver, too. Honda is for drivers.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 15, 2016, 09:02:22 am
Also, for trip and fuel economy, and much more:

http://www.ultra-gauge.com/ultragauge/

The only negative is finding an acceptable mounting solution. The windshield mount is very good for what it is, but I still hate it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 15, 2016, 09:36:36 am
Auto up/down windows are sooooooooo Idiocracy You can't hold a button down for five seconds? Lol. I like it, too.

Dude, it gets cold here. Between turning the headlights back on (i'm the 1% who dims them for the guards like the signs direct), turning the interior lights off (they ask sometimes that you turn them on so they can see no terrorists are in the car), putting the ID down so I don't lose it anywhere, and driving away from the gate, I don't like the window down that whole time.
In Odyssey I just push the window button and continue on with all that other junk.


#firstworldproblems I know. But still I just find it funny that I never ever ever never used to care about "luxury" stuff. But I now understand how people can get spoilt.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 15, 2016, 09:43:07 am
4Runner has auto up/down on all four side windows, the rear window, and the sunroof. :praise: just hit all the buttons and wait and it's a lazy man's utility convertible.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 15, 2016, 10:55:18 am
Dude, it gets cold here. Between turning the headlights back on (i'm the 1% who dims them for the guards like the signs direct), turning the interior lights off (they ask sometimes that you turn them on so they can see no terrorists are in the car), putting the ID down so I don't lose it anywhere, and driving away from the gate, I don't like the window down that whole time.
In Odyssey I just push the window button and continue on with all that other junk.


#firstworldproblems I know. But still I just find it funny that I never ever ever never used to care about "luxury" stuff. But I now understand how people can get spoilt.

Yeah, it remember it being an ordeal pulling up to the gate in my SJ410 (Samurai). It wouldn't always idle, so I had to keep my foot on the gas while my left foot operated the clutch + brake. The synchros were also worn so I had to rev match most shfts. Weaving through the obstacle course with manual steering. Bouncing off my head off the ceiling over the speed bumps. My window crank was a vice grip that needed periodic adjustment. And I usually had a cigarette in one hand. I also dimmed my headlights, unlike so many.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 15, 2016, 06:44:48 pm
:lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 16, 2016, 03:02:44 pm
New Lacrosse looks really good but it kind of looks like an old Azera
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 17, 2016, 02:51:35 pm
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/5831297863.html

A miata, with an FD RX-7 body and title :wtf:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 17, 2016, 03:53:15 pm
How does that work since it's unibody? Did he bolt the Miata subframes to the RX-7 body? And then swapped the Miata interior into the RX-7 body? Seems like a lot of work for no gain.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2016, 04:49:26 am
Question-
Since the backup cameras become mandatory soon, how long do y'all think it will take someone to eliminate the rear glass? (hatchback or sedan?) Should save a little weight and some money. They could put the camera screen where the rearview mirror is, or just use a dash screen...


Also, some dummy driving in pitch dark this morning with fog lights only. No headlights or taillights, they appeared to be OEM fogs, but still you have to modify to run fogs without main lights....  Black sedan.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 19, 2016, 04:51:29 am
Question-
Since the backup cameras become mandatory soon, how long do y'all think it will take someone to eliminate the rear glass? (hatchback or sedan?) Should save a little weight and some money. They could put the camera screen where the rearview mirror is, or just use a dash screen...




For a mainstream automaker?  Maybe never.  The rear window still offers viability for the car behind, removing that is a safety hazard itself.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 19, 2016, 05:29:40 am
For a mainstream automaker?  Maybe never.  The rear window still offers viability for the car behind, removing that is a safety hazard itself.

Have you seen the new Camaro? They could put sheet metal over the rear window, and nobody would notice. Besides, there are billions of cargo vans without rear glass, and nobody cares.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 19, 2016, 06:48:51 am
For a mainstream automaker?  Maybe never.  The rear window still offers viability for the car behind, removing that is a safety hazard itself.

Vans have had no rear windows for a long time. Lots of vehicles actually. And in a modern SUV, with two rows of headrests, tinted windows and a fold down monitor showing Hotel Transylvania for the 2487th time, the rear window is basically useless anyways.

I'd say it's a possibility. And I hate that idea, but it's possible.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 19, 2016, 07:08:26 am
Vans have had no rear windows for a long time. Lots of vehicles actually. And in a modern SUV, with two rows of headrests, tinted windows and a fold down monitor showing Hotel Transylvania for the 2487th time, the rear window is basically useless anyways.

I'd say it's a possibility. And I hate that idea, but it's possible.

As of now, all backup cameras still have the warning to check all surroundings and not just rely on the camera--even overhead 360 degree cameras. I see it becoming a legal liability issue for manufacturers, should a camera malfunction.

I know cars exist where there is no back window, but I don't see it becoming commonplace until autonomous cars take over and human driving is made illegal (~2025).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 19, 2016, 07:08:33 am
Driving a car without a rear window is a really weird experience.  Like driving a Uhaul.  I panicked for a split second every time I went to check my rear view mirror
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 19, 2016, 07:10:53 am
Driving a car without a rear window is a really weird experience.  Like driving a Uhaul.  I panicked for a split second every time I went to check my rear view mirror

Or tried to back up. My brother and I moved his stuff in a Uhaul once and driving that thing on city streets--and parallėl parking it--was kind of a nightmare.

When I moved into my apartment, I just used my Jetta. Much easier.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2016, 08:04:13 am
Driving a car without a rear window is a really weird experience.  Like driving a Uhaul.  I panicked for a split second every time I went to check my rear view mirror

+1

Or any army truck, even HMMWVs...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on October 19, 2016, 08:28:14 am
I don't see it becoming commonplace until autonomous cars take over and human driving is made illegal (~2025).

I used to be on the bandwagon of expecting this stuff to happen in about 2022, but with recent events, I think this will be an even longer way out, if at all.  Apple has blown up their car program and seems to just be idle R&D rather than creating a consumer product/software.  Google is in the middle of trying to identify what they are doing with their autonomous software without a clear road ahead.

I see a fairly big change in viability vs. last year.  This time last year it was full steam ahead, throwing Billion$ at the tech.  Seems most things have been brought close to idle.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2016, 08:33:16 am
I think Google is the same as they always were- taking it slow to get it right. Sometimes they're in the news but not usually.

I think once they do say it's ready it will be a quick adoption. They have legal muscle and all it takes is some famous people buying/using driverless cars and it will be like the Prius. EVERYWHERE....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on October 19, 2016, 08:45:09 am
I think Google is the same as they always were- taking it slow to get it right. Sometimes they're in the news but not usually.

I think once they do say it's ready it will be a quick adoption. They have legal muscle and all it takes is some famous people buying/using driverless cars and it will be like the Prius. EVERYWHERE....

No

"Other top technologists have also departed and progress has been slow. Once considered a leader in the field, Google has lost its first-mover advantage to other companies pursuing more practical, less-ambitious self-driving car services, said former members of the project and other people familiar with the situation. They asked not to be identified because details of the effort are private."

"The team knew what it would take to deliver a fully-autonomous system, known in the industry as L4, but some Google executives didn’t understand the complexity, according to one former member of the project. The person left to help run an active business with paying customers, something that’s missing from the car project. A Google spokesman declined to comment for this story.

Several years ago, some on the team wanted to push ahead with a service that didn’t require full automation, but Google co-founder Larry Page insisted on complete human driver replacement, another person said.

‘Seven-Year Itch’

Sebastian Thrun, the first head of the Google car project, left in 2014 to focus on his online education startup Udacity Inc. and develop flying cars with Page.

In early 2016, Anthony Levandowski, one of the original engineers on the project, co-founded Otto. He started the company with Don Burnette, who wrote software for Google’s self-driving car, Google robotics expert Claire Delaunay and Lior Ron, who worked on Google Maps and Android smartphones.

Otto’s goal is to “speed the adoption of self-driving technology,” according to its website. Levandowski told the Wall Street Journal in May that it’s easier to prove Otto’s technology is better than humans on highways, where the tasks of driving are fairly straightforward, than in cities, which generate more complex driving situations. Levandowski declined to comment on why he left Google’s project.

When Urmson left in August, other project veterans Jiajun Zhu and Dave Ferguson also departed.

One former member said the project is suffering from a “seven-year itch” as staff look for new challenges. Googlers like to see technology they work on influence as many people as possible, so it’s been difficult to see the steady drumbeat of rival autonomous vehicle announcements while Google’s project slogs through testing, this person said."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-12/google-car-project-loses-leaders-and-advantage-as-rivals-gain
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 19, 2016, 09:22:36 am
bummer. I still think it'll be here by 2050. Maybe not everywhere, but definitely legal-approved self-driving cars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 19, 2016, 11:23:25 am
I'm surprised people thought this would happen quickly.

I'm also surprised that people think with all the money and identity tied into cars that little autonomous pods will be mandated. That's not in, among other groups, the interests of the huge and powerful auto industry
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 19, 2016, 11:58:42 am
That's not in, among other groups, the interests of the huge and powerful auto industry

+1 The more commoditized cars become, the less profit is in it for the manufacturers. They want unique cars so they can sell them at a premium.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on October 19, 2016, 01:06:03 pm
Hmm, somehow I missed the now-old-news that Porsche has replaced the sixes in the Boxster & Cayman with four-bangers.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-porsche-718-boxster-boxster-s-photos-and-info-news

Lots of torques in new DI turbo 4s - but they still sound like clattery diesels.

Four is the new six. Pity.


Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 19, 2016, 03:40:23 pm
Hmm, somehow I missed the now-old-news that Porsche has replaced the sixes in the Boxster & Cayman with four-bangers.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-porsche-718-boxster-boxster-s-photos-and-info-news

Lots of torques in new DI turbo 4s - but they still sound like clattery diesels.

Four is the new six. Pity.




Porsches used to be fours. Pity, it's just a fancy Beetle.

Then they went to sixes. Pity, it's too powerful and heavy, and they handling is super scary.

Now they go back to fours. It's lightweight and efficient, yet still powerful. But pity it sounds like... a diesel?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 19, 2016, 04:13:56 pm
Hmm, somehow I missed the now-old-news that Porsche has replaced the sixes in the Boxster & Cayman with four-bangers.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-porsche-718-boxster-boxster-s-photos-and-info-news

Lots of torques in new DI turbo 4s - but they still sound like clattery diesels.

Four is the new six. Pity.
Real shame as the chassis is better than ever

Worry not though, I'm sure a limited edition NA 6 banger version will be out
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on October 19, 2016, 05:32:08 pm
Porsches used to be fours. Pity, it's just a fancy Beetle.

Then they went to sixes. Pity, it's too powerful and heavy, and they handling is super scary.

Now they go back to fours. It's lightweight and efficient, yet still powerful. But pity it sounds like... a diesel?
Well I think GDI engines are noisy.  (Also saw that although good on CO2, they have quite high particulate emissions.)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on October 19, 2016, 09:52:20 pm
Fuck touchscreen controls. They're completely irredeemable, totally unnecessary, a huge step backward in ergonomics and just all-around shite. Fuck 'em.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 19, 2016, 11:18:11 pm
Have you seen the new Camaro? They could put sheet metal over the rear window, and nobody would notice. Besides, there are billions of cargo vans without rear glass, and nobody cares.

I'm no expert on regulations and such, but I'm sure they're different for commercial vehicles.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on October 20, 2016, 12:59:08 am
I think cars will become objects in systems move them around, routed as in packet switching in computer & communications networks.

The problem is that, unlike fiber or copper, the huge majority our roads are uncontrolled; anyone can wander onto them. So I think the revolution will start on limited access highways. And eventually, for safety, more of our roads will become limited access to accommodate automated cars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on October 20, 2016, 01:35:28 am
I think cars will become objects in systems move them around, routed as in packet switching in computer & communications networks.

The problem is that, unlike fiber or copper, the huge majority our roads are uncontrolled; anyone can wander onto them. So I think the revolution will start on limited access highways. And eventually, for safety, more of our roads will become limited access to accommodate automated cars.


I could see the first major application being trucking between major distribution centers. Interstate driving and defined shipping yards are less likely to cause issues than a general purpose automated car. Plus robots don't have to sleep like truckers do.

Either that or someplace like London city center where they could just ban normal cars all together.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 20, 2016, 07:44:06 am
Fuck touchscreen controls. They're completely irredeemable, totally unnecessary, a huge step backward in ergonomics and just all-around shite. Fuck 'em.

But they look so sleek!  #textdontdrive #autobrakeswillsaveyou #alwayspayattentiontoroadconditions #noreallywedontgiveafuckitsaliabilitywarning
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on October 20, 2016, 08:40:46 pm
Road death rates are increasing after decades of decline. Distracted driving.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 20, 2016, 09:33:55 pm
Road death rates are increasing after decades of decline. Distracted driving.

#textdontdrive #autobrakeswillsaveyou #alwayspayattentiontoroadconditions #noreallywedontgiveafuckitsaliabilitywarning

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 20, 2016, 09:35:00 pm
Fuck touchscreen controls. They're completely irredeemable, totally unnecessary, a huge step backward in ergonomics and just all-around shite. Fuck 'em.

You'd love the new Panamera
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 20, 2016, 09:40:25 pm
New cars are dead.  I want this:

(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/PORSCHE-911-Targa-2--964--2981_3.jpg)

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 20, 2016, 09:46:17 pm
Road death rates are increasing after decades of decline. Distracted driving.

I am thinking of finding a non-FCC compliant, car-mounted active cell phone jammer. It will create a safe zone around my car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 21, 2016, 05:21:44 am
I am thinking of finding a non-FCC compliant, car-mounted active cell phone jammer. It will create a safe zone around my car.

Some dummy did that in Florida for 6 months.

Problem is, it creates a bigger problem. People are busy yakking and driving then all of a sudden they lose their call. Now they're trying to redial. Then they keep trying because the stupid phone won't connect, swerving all into your lane. It would create a bubble of chaos all around you.

Florida dummy got caught because they started noticing a pattern of time where all radios died out. The squad car that finally pulled him over noticed their radios didn't work either. Dummy hadn't even concealed the jammer or setup a kill switch on it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 21, 2016, 05:51:18 am
Some dummy did that in Florida for 6 months.

Problem is, it creates a bigger problem. People are busy yakking and driving then all of a sudden they lose their call. Now they're trying to redial. Then they keep trying because the stupid phone won't connect, swerving all into your lane. It would create a bubble of chaos all around you.

Florida dummy got caught because they started noticing a pattern of time where all radios died out. The squad car that finally pulled him over noticed their radios didn't work either. Dummy hadn't even concealed the jammer or setup a kill switch on it.

Can I talk to this dude, or would it require supervised visitation?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 21, 2016, 05:59:13 am
Can I talk to this dude, or would it require supervised visitation?

You might want to fill the bank account first:

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/161146/20160526/florida-man-gets-48k-fine-from-fcc-for-using-cell-phone-jammer.htm

And it took TWO YEARS to get through the court stuff. He was busted in 2014!!!!

(and apparently he was doing it 16-24months)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on October 21, 2016, 08:25:20 am
Seven years ago my wife's cousin had her 19-year-old kid killed by a distracted driver: girl was texting, lost control & crossed the median.

So the cousin & her husband set up a foundation to combat texting & driving. It's evolved to 'distracted driving,' as car manufacturers install more and more gizmos, & twiddly bits, & touchscreens with menus.

So far it's a losing battle.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 21, 2016, 11:56:14 am
Seven years ago my wife's cousin had her 19-year-old kid killed by a distracted driver: girl was texting, lost control & crossed the median.

So the cousin & her husband set up a foundation to combat texting & driving. It's evolved to 'distracted driving,' as car manufacturers install more and more gizmos, & twiddly bits, & touchscreens with menus.

So far it's a losing battle.

Distracted driving is now a multibillion dollar industry. Of course it's a losing battle.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 21, 2016, 12:16:44 pm
Most people hate driving, and while I personally don't I can't blame them.

The necessary tools to make Americans better drivers (a culture of personal responsibility, well maintained roads, adequate driver's training and licensing) are never going to materialize; at least not in our current political climate. Getting killed by a distracted driver is a pretty stupid way to die. So if these tools or the option of autonomous driving can save lives, I'm for it. I'm of sound enough mind to not be paralyzed with fears of logical fallacies like slippery slopes or unrealistic timelines and proliferation rates of autonomous roads. We will not see fully autonomous cars in our lifetime... tech will get just good enough to mitigate our driving shortcomings fueled by our increasingly aging and distracted population.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Morris Minor on October 21, 2016, 08:24:35 pm
Most people hate driving, and while I personally don't I can't blame them.

The necessary tools to make Americans better drivers (a culture of personal responsibility, well maintained roads, adequate driver's training and licensing) are never going to materialize; at least not in our current political climate. Getting killed by a distracted driver is a pretty stupid way to die. So if these tools or the option of autonomous driving can save lives, I'm for it. I'm of sound enough mind to not be paralyzed with fears of logical fallacies like slippery slopes or unrealistic timelines and proliferation rates of autonomous roads. We will not see fully autonomous cars in our lifetime... tech will get just good enough to mitigate our driving shortcomings fueled by our increasingly aging and distracted population.
Hmm, cunning plan: charge for the touchscreen & internetry wizardry package. Then charge more for the driving automation package to stop the fuckers killing themselves.

It's like "We make cigarettes, and we have another division developing & selling smoking cessation products. Bwahahaha."
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 23, 2016, 09:28:02 pm
Thanks to old 911s, I feel like you could leave new cars behind and never miss them. 

(http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/gallery/PORSCHE911Carrera2Cabriolet-964--2982_1.jpg)

Just get something that you can drive in the snow and to Costco and shit, a 964 Cab, and watch as cars get ever and ever shittier.  Now with touchscreen wheels and a steering wheel with a full QWERTY keyboard!  Don't want to pay attention when you're driving?  Don't!  We'll just hit the brakes for you.  #notliablewhenitfails
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 23, 2016, 09:41:07 pm
Fucking yuppie
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 24, 2016, 06:59:15 am
Found a gen1 Taurus SHO with some minimal rust for $700 in Wyoming. Sunroof and interior looks decent. Would cost maybe $1000 to ship it here?

Problem is he hasn't driven it in 6yrs. Who know what's rotted out???  Says it starts fine but I imagine every gasket bushing seal or line needs replacing.  Fun project but beyond my capability probably.....

(A guy can dream)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 24, 2016, 09:20:16 am
Found a gen1 Taurus SHO with some minimal rust for $700 in Wyoming. Sunroof and interior looks decent. Would cost maybe $1000 to ship it here?

Problem is he hasn't driven it in 6yrs. Who know what's rotted out???  Says it starts fine but I imagine every gasket bushing seal or line needs replacing.  Fun project but beyond my capability probably.....

(A guy can dream)

Send it to my house. I'll restore it guud.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 24, 2016, 09:43:23 am
Fucking yuppie

Me?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 24, 2016, 09:52:18 am
Send it to my house. I'll restore it guud.

k but you have 2 drive it to my haus
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 24, 2016, 10:43:31 am
k but you have 2 drive it to my haus

K but u have 2 pay me
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 24, 2016, 12:18:52 pm
K but u have 2 pay me

u didn't say that

let me contact my cousin, he's a prince in Nigeria. U get the car i'll pay u back
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 24, 2016, 01:35:24 pm
u didn't say that

let me contact my cousin, he's a prince in Nigeria. U get the car i'll pay u back

ok sir i will post my bank account ssn number blood type and, post to my twitter page so your cousin can view
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 24, 2016, 02:38:40 pm
Me?
100%
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 24, 2016, 04:56:12 pm
Thinking about next cars...

My motto is never own a boring vehicle, so my initial thoughts of buying an old-ish Accord/whatever is out. Thinking I want something that can go camping/shooting/skiing/surfing, so a cool 4x4 it is. SUV > truck, I guess, because of the secure cargo area. And I already have a "truck".

Ideas so far:
- old Cherokee
- old Land Cruiser, probably a late 80's one and not an FJ-40 since I'd feel obliged to baby a classic
- 4Runner, although I plan on doing more than hopping curbs so this might not be good enough
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 24, 2016, 05:02:46 pm
4Runner is the best.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 24, 2016, 05:08:02 pm
4Runner is the best.

I would be looking at an older one. Probably a 3rd gen ('96-'02), maybe a 4th ('03-'09)

Something in good mechanical condition, probably from California or Arizona to avoid any rust, but not new enough for me to care about scratches or dings.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 24, 2016, 05:12:14 pm
Problem is they don't depreciate. I was looking at 3rd and 4th gen, and couldn't justify spending $20k+ on something that old with that many miles.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 24, 2016, 05:15:53 pm
Land Cruisers are like that too. Some around $10k for stock with 150-200k miles. Most closer to $18k with some off-roading mods.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on October 24, 2016, 05:22:58 pm
Land Cruisers are $Texas; I've not-very-seriously entertained the idea of buying one, and price is always the stumbling block. They're cool, but not $20,000+ for a ratty one cool.

Same thing with 4Runners, just not to the same degree.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 24, 2016, 05:25:06 pm
Land Cruisers are $Texas; I've not-very-seriously entertained the idea of buying one, and price is always the stumbling block. They're cool, but not $20,000+ for a ratty one cool.

Same thing with 4Runners, just not to the same degree.

I have been within a pen's grasp of buying an FJ-62 twice in the last year. Both times they were sold after the next day when I wanted to think it over.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 24, 2016, 06:38:05 pm
Perfect example: 2011 4Runner with 95k miles is $24k around here. I'd rather pay another $12k and get one brand new.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on October 24, 2016, 06:47:15 pm
Even Wranglers depreciate more than that, albeit only slightly. What drives the used market so high? Doesn't seem like there's limited supply. Are 4x4 buyers just terrible negotiators?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on October 24, 2016, 07:07:23 pm
The length of ownership for 4Runners is abnormally high. No one gets rid of them when they buy them new. So there actually is a limited supply. They last forever too, so even with 150k+ miles, there's still quite a bit of usable life in them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 24, 2016, 07:11:11 pm
100%

I can live with that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 25, 2016, 12:01:18 pm
Wow looking through old photos found this one.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/13591918@N07/4687031546/

I sold Legacy Dec15 with 201k+ miles on it. Bought it in June 2008 I believe with 126k miles on it. Makes me miss it :cry:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on October 26, 2016, 04:23:16 am
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14729154_1154515347936333_1739051822705148434_n.jpg?oh=41742f7996558bec5b80ed193208f587&oe=589D01B0)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on October 26, 2016, 04:53:22 am
Why is the 2017 Mazda 2 on the EPA's fueleconomy.gov website?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 26, 2016, 06:38:06 am
Pulled up behind a new Lacrosse on my drive in to work today, I thought it was an A7
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 26, 2016, 07:14:11 am
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14729154_1154515347936333_1739051822705148434_n.jpg?oh=41742f7996558bec5b80ed193208f587&oe=589D01B0)

That's pretty awesome. Love those classic fiberglass boats.

But I gotta say, if you think old cars are death traps, they're nothing compared to old boats like that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on October 26, 2016, 10:50:16 am
Why is the 2017 Mazda 2 on the EPA's fueleconomy.gov website?

Because it was tested.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on October 26, 2016, 10:52:50 am
Fuck touchscreen controls. They're completely irredeemable, totally unnecessary, a huge step backward in ergonomics and just all-around shite. Fuck 'em.

This, again. You might be wondering what has earned such vitriolic hate. This:

(http://www.autorentalnews.com/fc_images/news/m-car2go-28-1.jpg)

(http://www.smart-magazine.com/content/uploads/2014/11/7_smart-fortwo-interior-2-smart-magazine.jpg)

This morning I discovered the stupid touchscreen can't be used with gloves on.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on October 26, 2016, 11:00:03 am
You guys have new fortwos as Car2Go's? In Columbus we're still using the shitty old ones
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on October 26, 2016, 11:15:15 am
D.C. just got its first new ones about a month ago. But even the old ones had a retrofitted touchscreen for car2go functions.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on October 26, 2016, 11:37:10 am
This, again. You might be wondering what has earned such vitriolic hate. This:

This morning I discovered the stupid touchscreen can't be used with gloves on.

Of course not!!!

The other day though I discovered a roll worked on my phone. Dinner roll. Might try that next time. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on October 26, 2016, 02:02:40 pm
You guys have new fortwos as Car2Go's? In Columbus we're still using the shitty old ones

Yep, they started rolling them out a few weeks ago. Their fleet is made up of old ForTwos, new ForTwos and Mercedes-Benz B250s.

(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/crop/800x450+0+0/resize/800x450!/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/55d11ce86797e8229c779597d3e53f3f/202719132/Car2go-b-class.jpeg)


D.C. just got its first new ones about a month ago. But even the old ones had a retrofitted touchscreen for car2go functions.

True, I didn't like that one either, but it was bigger and could be used with gloves on, and it saved the last radio station you had playing. The new ones aren't used for inputting a PIN to start your rental anymore, it's all through the app, so it's just for the teensy little nav screen and radio now. Unfortunately the new radio doesn't save the last station you had played, it saves whatever the last person in the car had played. I just turn the damned thing off now (the control of which, thankfully, is a button).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on October 26, 2016, 02:33:00 pm

True, I didn't like that one either, but it was bigger and could be used with gloves on, and it saved the last radio station you had playing. The new ones aren't used for inputting a PIN to start your rental anymore, it's all through the app, so it's just for the teensy little nav screen and radio now. Unfortunately the new radio doesn't save the last station you had played, it saves whatever the last person in the car had played. I just turn the damned thing off now (the control of which, thankfully, is a button).

Huh, never noticed that radio feature -- that was really clever of them, and a shame it didn't stick around.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on October 26, 2016, 04:38:10 pm
Yeah, it was clever, and a shame it didn't stick around. When I fired up the Car2Go I rented this morning the volume was cranked and the station was some stupid top 40 pop/hip-hop junk. First thing I did was crank the volume back down, which is thankfully still controlled by a knob, but I couldn't change the station until I pressed 'yes' on the EULA-esque little warning about using the thing while in motion. That they had to warn you about how dangerous using this touchscreen is ought to have been clue #1 that the screen is fucking dumb. So I pressed 'yes', and nothing happened. I pressed again: nothing happened. I took my glove off, pressed 'yes', pressed 'radio', and pressed a down arrow to cycle through to the station I wanted to listen to. All of this could have been avoided if it had buttons, or a knob; something...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 26, 2016, 04:42:14 pm
If your hands are really calloused, (such as one might get from working as a mechanic or playing guitar) then some touch screens won't work for you at all.

(As a derelict, I no longer have this problem).
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on October 26, 2016, 05:22:18 pm
Yep, they started rolling them out a few weeks ago. Their fleet is made up of old ForTwos, new ForTwos and Mercedes-Benz B250s.

(http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/crop/800x450+0+0/resize/800x450!/format/jpg/quality/85/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/midas/55d11ce86797e8229c779597d3e53f3f/202719132/Car2go-b-class.jpeg)


True, I didn't like that one either, but it was bigger and could be used with gloves on, and it saved the last radio station you had playing. The new ones aren't used for inputting a PIN to start your rental anymore, it's all through the app, so it's just for the teensy little nav screen and radio now. Unfortunately the new radio doesn't save the last station you had played, it saves whatever the last person in the car had played. I just turn the damned thing off now (the control of which, thankfully, is a button).


It would be nice to have a bigger Car2Go option, but MB doesn't make a cheap four-place car in our market
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 27, 2016, 05:53:08 am
Daaaaamnnnnnnn Audi pulls out of Le Mans

http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/why-dieselgate-forced-audi-to-quit-le-mans-1788252715
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 27, 2016, 09:08:12 am
This, again. You might be wondering what has earned such vitriolic hate. This:

(http://www.autorentalnews.com/fc_images/news/m-car2go-28-1.jpg)

(http://www.smart-magazine.com/content/uploads/2014/11/7_smart-fortwo-interior-2-smart-magazine.jpg)

This morning I discovered the stupid touchscreen can't be used with gloves on.

Get touchscreen gloves, dude. It's like 2012 or some year where every phone is a touchscreen.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on October 27, 2016, 09:18:49 am
I can barely type on my phone without gloves on: touchscreen gloves are pointless.

Also, note that the touchscreen in the old cars works with any gloves.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on October 28, 2016, 04:38:48 pm
Get touchscreen gloves, dude. It's like 2012 or some year where every phone is a touchscreen.

Touch screen gloves are always too thin for real cold and are seemingly made for women's hands.

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 28, 2016, 07:36:27 pm
Touch screen gloves are always too thin for real cold and are seemingly made for women's hands.

That's demonstrably untrue.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on October 28, 2016, 08:09:41 pm
That's demonstrably untrue.

They are for girls.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on October 30, 2016, 03:25:16 pm
That's demonstrably untrue.

(https://admin.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/northface.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 30, 2016, 03:49:23 pm
(https://admin.mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/northface.jpg)

I have a pair of leather touchscreen gloves that are just as warm as my non-touchscreen leather gloves.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on October 30, 2016, 07:07:51 pm
Leather gloves aren't really suitable for real cold either.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on October 31, 2016, 06:04:05 pm
Leather gloves aren't really suitable for real cold either.

I've worn them into single digits.  :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on October 31, 2016, 06:23:59 pm
I've worn no gloves in the single digits, doesn't make it a good idea :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 02, 2016, 06:59:31 am
poor car. Skip to 3min he's literally going to rattle the doors off. LOLOLOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCs5_V6g5ds
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 02, 2016, 08:39:18 am
From Jalopnik:

"Man how I wish my E60 M5 ownership experience was more like this. My story is more typical though. My dumb ass thought the car had hit about the bottom of its depreciation curve (I was wrong). My double dumb ass also thought that I didn’t need to pay to get oil samples taken before purchase. So my soon to be broke ass paid not quite $24k for an ‘06 with 94,000+ miles in 2013 without paying $250 to a reputable shop to do a pre-purchase inspection. My wallet got lighter when I threw the same “Increased Emmissions” message after putting less than 300 miles on the car, FWIW in my experience all three times that happened to me it was one of the coil packs going bad and causing a misfire that you could definitely feel and hear. Then my wallet got to experience the massive lightening feeling of a bottom end rebuild after we found out the BMW dealer who replaced the VANOS pump in the car before I bought it left parts in the oil pan. Well I guess I had budgeted for rod bearings in the nearish future but not at less than 1000 miles into ownership. While they were in there the oil level sensor and the passenger side throttle solenoid were replaced, I declined to replace the properly working driver side one at that time even though the shop suggested we do it while it was apart. Three months later I replaced the driver side solenoid. Two more trips to the shop for coil packs. Then the rather frighteningly expensive starter motor replacement. With the weather in NE-Ohio I only drove the car on nice summer days which meant not that often. In 32 months of ownership I put less than 3200 miles on that car. I also put over $18,000 in repairs and basic maintenance into it. Sold it for $13,500 and was happy to get that. I absolutely loved the car when it was working right but I was scared every time I took it out of the garage that I’d be facing another couple thousand dollar repair bill. During the time I owned it I averaged a little under 12MPG and had one tank where I was especially heavy on the right pedal where I was under 9MPG. Maybe I’m a masochist because I miss that car."

"Holy crap. $28,500 for 32 months and 3200 miles?!

$8.90 a mile!!

$890 a month in repairs!!

That’s just...awful. Sorry man."

Wowwwwww :wtf:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 02, 2016, 10:04:19 am
He bought it right when all the regular maintenance was due, did all the maintenance, then sold it when it was ready to drive....   
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 02, 2016, 10:17:04 am
Most of that isn't normal maintenance items.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 02, 2016, 11:17:37 am
Most of that isn't normal maintenance items.

Yeah, just idiotic ownership decisions.

I also can't imagine taking my car to the shop for everything. I would have spent $40k on my car by now.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on November 02, 2016, 11:18:36 am
In what world is finding parts left in the oil pan and needing a bottom end rebuild "regular maintenance"? :wtf:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on November 02, 2016, 11:25:01 am
Sometimes online people are stupid
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 02, 2016, 11:43:20 am
In what world is finding parts left in the oil pan and needing a bottom end rebuild "regular maintenance"? :wtf:
In a BMW

The S62/S65 engines are known for lunching bearings. I was looking at E60 535is... there is a PDF on some forum literally going through all its problems. How is it basic ass Honda was able to make 9000 RPM 120HP/L engines with like 1/4 the budget 15 years ago.... but BMW only just figured out shit like plastic doesn't do well in cooling systems

Still though... 340i M Sport :(
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 02, 2016, 12:21:46 pm
Sometimes I wonder if the poor bloke who bought my A4 has ended up with a similar used German car horror story. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 02, 2016, 12:28:12 pm
I was walking past a new WRX in a parking lot the other day just as the owner was starting it up and, damn, the new FA engine sounds awful.  No charming, lumpy idle like boxers of old.  Sounded like no consideration was given to the exhaust note.  Just this coarse, droning sound at idle and it didn't improve as I heard it drive away.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 02, 2016, 01:10:21 pm
I was walking past a new WRX in a parking lot the other day just as the owner was starting it up and, damn, the new FA engine sounds awful.  No charming, lumpy idle like boxers of old.  Sounded like no consideration was given to the exhaust note.  Just this coarse, droning sound at idle and it didn't improve as I heard it drive away.

Trying to keep it from being confused with the new Porsches....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on November 02, 2016, 01:56:56 pm
In a BMW

The S62/S65 engines are known for lunching bearings. I was looking at E60 535is... there is a PDF on some forum literally going through all its problems. How is it basic ass Honda was able to make 9000 RPM 120HP/L engines with like 1/4 the budget 15 years ago.... but BMW only just figured out shit like plastic doesn't do well in cooling systems

Still though... 340i M Sport :(

My dad's pushing like 95k on his E60 535xi. Thankfully it's been perfect so far. He's probably gonna try and push it to 150-160k
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 02, 2016, 01:59:47 pm
Naw those 718s went for the new Subaru sound

I think it all comes down to tuning... turbo engines are tuned to make peak torque at like 1500 RPM. The same engine tuned like a regular NA engine in the Freeze Breeze sounds awesome by comparison

My dad's pushing like 95k on his E60 535xi. Thankfully it's been perfect so far. He's probably gonna try and push it to 150-160k
Well, Magic Johnson beat HIV. I still don't like those odds
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 02, 2016, 02:42:57 pm
Naw those 718s went for the new Subaru sound

I think it all comes down to tuning... turbo engines are tuned to make peak torque at like 1500 RPM. The same engine tuned like a regular NA engine in the Freeze Breeze sounds awesome by comparison

Frisbees sound pretty bad, stock, as well.  It's the equal length headers that ruins the boxer sound on the FA motors.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 03, 2016, 01:47:36 am
Luckily a <$500 ebay header will fix the FR-S/BRZ

Seems the aftermarket can't really make them sound exciting either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRAZfPBVAuE

The trusty old EJ sounds much more exciting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-iX5-Rqls
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 03, 2016, 04:38:30 am
Frisbees can be made to sound decent.  The WRX is harder since the twin scroll turbo apparently needs ELH to work properly.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 03, 2016, 07:51:15 am
Frisbees can be made to sound decent.  The WRX is harder since the twin scroll turbo apparently needs ELH to work properly.

Yep this is also the reason the M5/6 have a flat plane sound. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 04, 2016, 09:25:55 am
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-mercedes-benz-r63/

Biggest :wtf: I've seen in awhile.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 04, 2016, 09:46:50 am
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-mercedes-benz-r63/

Biggest :wtf: I've seen in awhile.

0-60 in 4.8sec ain't bad.  I just cringe at how often they have to say "according to seller". And the comments are funny, "congrats to all the bidders and observers".   :wtf:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 04, 2016, 11:59:15 am
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/2007-mercedes-benz-r63/

Biggest :wtf: I've seen in awhile.

Sold for $51,000.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 04, 2016, 01:25:51 pm
Sold for $51,000.

Yeah, that's the :wtf: part about it.

Those things aren't that great at all.  I would have been surprised if it sold for $25k.

Air shocks go on those all the time.  Couldn't produce them for like a year or two also.  MB almost had to buy back the vehicles.  Whole things is a nightmare.  Knowing everything I do about it, I wouldn't buy it for $10k even. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: mzziaz on November 04, 2016, 02:59:27 pm
Nice to know. I almost got one a couple of times.

Then again I got an MG, so reliability has never quite been a top priority.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 04, 2016, 03:04:12 pm
Yeah, that's the :wtf: part about it.

Those things aren't that great at all.  I would have been surprised if it sold for $25k.

Air shocks go on those all the time.  Couldn't produce them for like a year or two also.  MB almost had to buy back the vehicles.  Whole things is a nightmare.  Knowing everything I do about it, I wouldn't buy it for $10k even.

Upset that that soccer mom mobile is fast than your soccer mom mobile?  :devil:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 04, 2016, 03:10:20 pm
Luckily a <$500 ebay header will fix the FR-S/BRZ

Seems the aftermarket can't really make them sound exciting either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRAZfPBVAuE

The trusty old EJ sounds much more exciting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP-iX5-Rqls

As usual, the aftermarket makes it sound worse. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVljJYr8stY

Now, that doesn't sound as good as my Z4 (unfair to compare, since the BMW I6 is one of the best sounding engines ever), my Boxster, my Jetta, my Passat, or even my E320, but it's not that bad.  Basically most stock exhaust systems aren't that bad; if the engine sounds like shit, it's usually quiet enough that you don't hear much of it anyway.  And it sounds better than that aftermarket exhaust you posted.  When people try to open up four cylinders, they tend to sound like shit. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 93JC on November 04, 2016, 03:58:00 pm
Upset that that soccer mom mobile is fast than your soccer mom mobile?  :devil:

0-60 in never when the thing is sittin' in the shop...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 05, 2016, 01:25:16 pm
As usual, the aftermarket makes it sound worse. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVljJYr8stY

Now, that doesn't sound as good as my Z4 (unfair to compare, since the BMW I6 is one of the best sounding engines ever), my Boxster, my Jetta, my Passat, or even my E320, but it's not that bad.  Basically most stock exhaust systems aren't that bad; if the engine sounds like shit, it's usually quiet enough that you don't hear much of it anyway.  And it sounds better than that aftermarket exhaust you posted.  When people try to open up four cylinders, they tend to sound like shit. 

I actually think the standard 718 is the best sounding.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 06, 2016, 09:54:58 am
The underlying engine note is still old Beetle. Porsche has come full circle. $60K for that..... no thanks

Will be interesting to see what sales look like for this new model. I imagine there will be a disproportionate dip
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 06, 2016, 10:03:33 am
As usual, the aftermarket makes it sound worse. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVljJYr8stY

Now, that doesn't sound as good as my Z4 (unfair to compare, since the BMW I6 is one of the best sounding engines ever), my Boxster, my Jetta, my Passat, or even my E320, but it's not that bad.  Basically most stock exhaust systems aren't that bad; if the engine sounds like shit, it's usually quiet enough that you don't hear much of it anyway.  And it sounds better than that aftermarket exhaust you posted.  When people try to open up four cylinders, they tend to sound like shit. 

I love it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 06, 2016, 12:42:33 pm
The new 4-banger Porsche motor isn't nearly as sonorous as the outgoing NA H6, but at least it has some character.  The new Subaru motors sound somewhere between bland and bad.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 07, 2016, 03:26:45 pm
Motor trend is reporting that Audi got caught with yet another device to trick the emissions test. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 07, 2016, 03:48:00 pm
87 octane is 2.12. Ethanol free premium was 3.49.  Holy fack.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 07, 2016, 04:43:55 pm
Motor trend is reporting that Audi got caught with yet another device to trick the emissions test. :facepalm:
Pretty slick how they did it. Emissions testing is done on a rig so they don't turn the steering wheel much. So emissions would switch its program to street mode once you turned the wheel more than a certain amount.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 07, 2016, 04:46:33 pm
Pretty slick how they did it. Emissions testing is done on a rig so they don't turn the steering wheel much. So emissions would switch its program to street mode once you turned the wheel more than a certain amount.

I want to see an Audi in a drag race swerving back and forth trying to go faster.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 08, 2016, 07:42:36 am
Holy crap... midsize sedan sales were down 20% year over year in October and 12% year to date. Even if you take out the DOA Chrysler 200 and Dodge Avenger it's -17% and -7%. For context the whole market was only down 0.3% in October and 6% YTD... compacts were down 7.5%/4.5%... subcompacts 4%/flat... waiting to see what's up with crossovers.

Someone here has a new Sonata... every time I see it I think it's an Azera or Genesis or something. The cars are too damn big
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 08, 2016, 07:58:04 am
Death to the 3 box design!  Long live 2 box!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 08, 2016, 12:21:15 pm
How does the new Cruze and Civic compare to a 1st gen Mazda6? I'm wondering if they're almost as big inside & out. If so, they might be a good choice for my mom.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 08, 2016, 01:05:32 pm
According to Edmund's, the Cruze is almost identical except for hip/shoulder room. Seems like it's worth checking out. The 2017 did well in Motortrend's comparo and my brother's GM discount would apply.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 09, 2016, 08:13:57 pm
Is it normal to have Tire Rack mount/balance your wheels/tires and have them shipped to your house?  Or is that weird.  Sounds like a lot of work for the UPS guy.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 09, 2016, 08:15:10 pm
Is it normal to have Tire Rack mount/balance your wheels/tires and have them shipped to your house?  Or is that weird.  Sounds like a lot of work for the UPS guy.

Normal normal. UPS guys just roll them. The only crappy part is if you have TPMS.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 09, 2016, 08:16:22 pm
Normal normal. UPS guys just roll them. The only crappy part is if you have TPMS.

I do not have Tyre Preshur Monitor Systemics.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 09, 2016, 08:20:41 pm
I can get four Kumho Road Venture AT51s mounted on black steelies delivered to my house for $1250.

(http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/kumho/ku_rv_at51_pdpcrop.jpg)

(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/black_rock_steel/brs_937_ty8p_17x8_b_pdpfull.jpg)

I'd still need to get an alignment done locally, but that's coo.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 09, 2016, 08:21:39 pm
I do not have Tyre Preshur Monitor Systemics.

Good 4 ewe. I hate TPMS and don't need it, but I hate having that damn idiot light stuck on if I take the sensors off.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 09, 2016, 08:22:39 pm
I can get four Kumho Road Venture AT51s mounted on black steelies delivered to my house for $1250.

(http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/kumho/ku_rv_at51_pdpcrop.jpg)

(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/black_rock_steel/brs_937_ty8p_17x8_b_pdpfull.jpg)

I'd still need to get an alignment done locally, but that's coo.

What is rong with ur current wheels and tyres?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 09, 2016, 08:29:24 pm
What is rong with ur current wheels and tyres?

They are nearly out of treads.  The wheels are in crappy condition.  Also, leaky.  I lose 1-2psi a day on three of 'em. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 09, 2016, 08:41:04 pm
They are nearly out of treads.  The wheels are in crappy condition.  Also, leaky.  I lose 1-2psi a day on three of 'em.

Get white wheels so you can clean them every day.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 09, 2016, 08:54:25 pm
Ok, but more srsly ... the wheel you picked weighs 40 pounds - well, because steel. You can get an aluminum wheel that weighs half as much for about the same price.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 09, 2016, 08:57:58 pm
What kind of shox should I get?  I'm going to delete the lift.  I could get Bilstein adjustable height shox to level it and/or give myself a baby lift of like an inch.

Or just spend half the money on cheap shox/strutx.  Fack.

Four corners of Bilstein 5100s would run me $370.  They're really well-reviewed.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 09, 2016, 08:58:29 pm
Ok, but more srsly ... the wheel you picked weighs 40 pounds - well, because steel. You can get an aluminum wheel that weighs half as much for about the same price.

Think of how much snow the tire would eat with all that steel pushing it down!

I guess I could get these for slightly more money.  27lbs apiece.

(http://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/americanracing/ar_ar172_b_pdpfull.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 11, 2016, 04:55:51 pm
What kind of shox should I get?  I'm going to delete the lift.  I could get Bilstein adjustable height shox to level it and/or give myself a baby lift of like an inch.

Or just spend half the money on cheap shox/strutx.  Fack.

Four corners of Bilstein 5100s would run me $370.  They're really well-reviewed.
Raceland coilovers
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 11, 2016, 05:07:58 pm
Raceland coilovers

No. Go with Megan Racing. Megan is a hot chick name.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 11, 2016, 06:05:26 pm
Raceland coilovers

Too late. Bilstein 5100s already ordered. They're the sort of status quo for general Taco off-roadism.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 11, 2016, 06:13:45 pm
Too late. Bilstein 5100s already ordered. They're the sort of status quo for general Taco off-roadism.

Shoulda got the 5200s, brah.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 11, 2016, 06:21:01 pm
I don't think 5200s are a thing.

I've got 6112s in the front for the 4Runner and 5160s for the rear :rockon:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 13, 2016, 01:41:21 pm
I don't think 5200s are a thing.

I've got 6112s in the front for the 4Runner and 5160s for the rear :rockon:

Seems a bit overkill for curb stomping. :devil:

#jealous
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 13, 2016, 07:10:45 pm
Seems a bit overkill for curb stomping. :devil:

#jealous

Soaks up potholes and curbs like they aren't even there.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 16, 2016, 07:26:29 pm
Guess what car is not mentioned in this Forbes article

http://www3.forbes.com/business/13-new-cars-to-avoid-for-2016/?utm_campaign=Cars-To-Avoid-2016-mbl

Versa S is not-not recommended by Forbes. :praise:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 17, 2016, 07:17:32 pm
omg i'm not gonna click through 14 fucking pages to read a paragraph each.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 17, 2016, 07:38:54 pm
omg i'm not gonna click through 14 fucking pages to read a paragraph each.

It's okay. There is no Versa S on the list, nor is there a Toyoter Tacoma.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 17, 2016, 07:58:06 pm
It's okay. There is no Versa S on the list, nor is there a Toyoter Tacoma.

Perfect.  What a good list!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 17, 2016, 08:17:46 pm
Nissan and the domestics took a lot of hits on that list. Including the Q50.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 17, 2016, 09:08:09 pm
S2000 shifter now... :wub:  It just needed a heftier shift knob and new fluid.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 17, 2016, 09:52:27 pm
My friend jizzes his pants every time he hears about shift knobs cus he's so in love with his Anarchy Motive knob.  I've never touched his knob though so I don't know how it feels in the hand.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on November 17, 2016, 10:48:25 pm
I need to clean my damn garage so I can park in it this winter. It's all full of beer cans and dirt bike stuff and tools and old brake pads and camping gear and lawn chairs and shit.  Haven't parked inside since like June or July.  Gottttta park inside during the winter.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 19, 2016, 09:36:25 am
Forecast calling for 8-12+ inches of snow tomorrow and Monday and temperatures peaking in the 30s for the foreseeable future.  Time to put the Mustang away  :(.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 19, 2016, 11:21:30 am
What's the issue stopping the use of electromagnetic crank bearings?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 19, 2016, 11:42:39 am
What's the issue stopping the use of electromagnetic crank bearings?

That's a lot of tech and a brutal failure mode for very little gain.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 19, 2016, 11:47:45 am
wits rong with oil?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 19, 2016, 08:11:44 pm
Make sure to use TOP TIER™ Detergent Gasoline, guys.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 20, 2016, 12:30:58 am
Forecast calling for 8-12+ inches of snow tomorrow and Monday and temperatures peaking in the 30s for the foreseeable future.  Time to put the Mustang away  :(.

Hope not.  I'm still on summers
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 20, 2016, 06:01:16 am
Hope not.  I'm still on summers

You need a winter car. What happened to that truck with the stupid engine?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 20, 2016, 06:53:09 am
Hope not.  I'm still on summers

Should probably address that ASAP.  Granted, it's got to come down pretty heavy to stick at all since the ground is still plenty warm.  It was in the 70s yesterday, afterall, and median daily temperatures have been well above freezing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 20, 2016, 07:27:23 am
You need a winter car. What happened to that truck with the stupid engine?

Sold.  My Sierra does fine in the snow but it blew a brake line.  SVX will be my winter car when it's fixed.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 20, 2016, 09:02:26 am
Sold.  My Sierra does fine in the snow but it blew a brake line.  SVX will be my winter car when it's fixed.

So confused. You are using SVX engine in LesboWagon, but SVX will become.winter car ... so SVX gets Wagon engine? And Sierra? GMC is good.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 20, 2016, 11:15:41 am
So confused. You are using SVX engine in LesboWagon, but SVX will become.winter car ... so SVX gets Wagon engine? And Sierra? GMC is good.

Waggin swap will wait till spring cus I don't wanna engine swap in the snow two years in a row
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CALL_911 on November 20, 2016, 11:54:56 am
S2000 shifter now... :wub:  It just needed a heftier shift knob and new fluid.
Told u
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 21, 2016, 12:16:08 pm
Sold.  My Sierra does fine in the snow but it blew a brake line.  SVX will be my winter car when it's fixed.

You drive an AWD Subaru wagon and you need a winter car?  That's already your winter car. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 21, 2016, 10:21:05 pm
You drive an AWD Subaru wagon and you need a winter car?  That's already your winter car. 

Engine is going bad.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on November 23, 2016, 10:03:52 am
A very classy move by Jaguar.

Jaguar rebuilds its XKSS supercar, a legend from ’57

(https://s21.postimg.org/b731owp4n/B99467463_Z_1_20161122183249_000_GUC184_LGM_1_0.jpg)

Quote
Jaguar’s new supercar has been 60 years in the making. Don’t expect paddle shift, ABS, or even the luxury of electric windows as well as a vintage look, the XKSS has vintage features to boot.
It’s technically a “continuation car,” a special type of replica in which production ceased but has since restarted using original designs and methods. The original XKSS was made for the U.S. market as a road-going conversion of the Le Mans-winning 1954 D-type, until a fire ripped through Jaguar’s Browns Lane factory in 1957. As a result, only 16 were ever made out of the total 25-car production run.
Unsurprisingly, the cars that survived fetch a pretty penny these days. Steve McQueen owned one that’s estimated to be worth up to $30 million.
The new XKSS model was revealed on Wednesday at the Los Angeles Auto Show, a one-off that comes off the back of 18 months of research and build. It will be used as a blueprint for the nine collectible units that Jaguar will start to make in 2017.
According to Kev Riches, engineering manager for Jaguar Classic, a branch of the company that focuses mostly on refurbishment and maintenance of classic Jags, the XKSS project is all about replacing those nine vehicles that were lost in the fire. “For me it’s almost about re-creating a piece of art,” he said. “Being a real petrol head, it was about building an authentic car and trying to make the cars as accurate as possible to the cars that were built in the period.”

The team at Jaguar Classic used original drawings from the company archives and supplemented them with modern tech, such as scanning the car to build 3D models to aid fabrication using retro, authentic methods. Steel and aluminum panels were hand-rolled on English wheels as they would have been in 1950s. Some nuts were even reproduced because they can no longer be bought.
“It was about trying build that perfect car to the period specification,in the period way as much as possible,” said Riches.
Under the hood, the XKSS has a 3.4-liter straight six-cylinder engine with 262 horsepower. The company says everything from the wood of the steering wheel to the leather of the seats and the brass on the dash is exactly as it would have been in 1957, with only minor changes made for 21st-century safety requirements.
The nine cars due to be built sold out almost immediately to a selection of international buyers. Riches estimates each model to have sold for around $1.5 million.

From...http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/foreign/2016/11/22/jaguar-rebuilds-xkss-supercar-legend/94306638/ (http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/foreign/2016/11/22/jaguar-rebuilds-xkss-supercar-legend/94306638/)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 23, 2016, 10:10:19 am
Totally lame. Doesn't even have talk to text or phone based deceleration? No advantages over a Camcord.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 23, 2016, 10:26:48 am
So catching up here:

Last night saw a Hummer at Wal-Mart. White. Not H2, but real Hummer.

Saturday I drove down to Scranton PA to take son to his mom.  Saw a Datsun 280z and Maserati 4door.

Stopped at a junkyard to get a trim piece for Odyssey, wife hit a curb last year and knocked it loose. I put it back on then later I ripped it off on a snowdrift. Didn't realize it at the time, it was gone. Junkyard charged me $17.90 for piece, 5 clips, taxes.

Funny the piece goes exactly from the front to back of the vehicle between wheels (under doors). Here's how the wheelbase of Odyssey and Impreza compare.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7632/17089836876_b4b49c2cc3_k.jpg)

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5488/31084347971_dde10c9292_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on November 23, 2016, 10:32:30 am
Totally lame. Doesn't even have talk to text or phone based deceleration? No advantages over a Camcord.
Yes, but it does have an instant adrenaline component.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 23, 2016, 10:42:50 am
Yes, but it does have an instant adrenaline component.

Bah humbug. Camry V6 does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Who needs more adrenaline than that?

 ;)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 23, 2016, 10:53:13 am
Bah humbug. Camry V6 does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Who needs more adrenaline than that?

 ;)
FWIW I'm over them. I just wanted to freak you out
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on November 23, 2016, 11:06:45 am
Bah humbug. Camry V6 does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Who needs more adrenaline than that?

 ;)
A bit of a snooze until around 9:00 minutes where they show the driving clips.  Best sounding inline 6 ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SomPKL16Ek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SomPKL16Ek)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 23, 2016, 02:22:54 pm
A bit of a snooze until around 9:00 minutes where they show the driving clips.  Best sounding inline 6 ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SomPKL16Ek (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SomPKL16Ek)

It is a gorgeous car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 23, 2016, 10:41:04 pm
Check out the external shock reservoirs on this thing...

(https://i.imgur.com/tHu3r3a.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 23, 2016, 10:59:24 pm
Lol those shocks are comically big in real life. We had one on display in a conference room. The body was probably almost two feet long and 6 inches in diameter. It had three different bypass zones I think. They barely sold any. I'm shocked to see them out in the wild.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 23, 2016, 11:03:16 pm
Well it's a Baja 1000 car so it's not too surprising.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 24, 2016, 04:23:23 am
Check out the external shock reservoirs on this thing...

(https://i.imgur.com/tHu3r3a.jpg)

Check out the bungee cord keeping the trunk closed. :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 24, 2016, 05:49:56 am
Check out the bungee cord keeping the trunk closed. :lol:

That's to absorb extra vibrations obv
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 24, 2016, 07:45:37 am
Check out the bungee cord keeping the trunk closed. :lol:

Why install hood pins when you have a convenient external handle to attach a bungee cord to?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 25, 2016, 09:30:14 am
Nearest Honda to us is 75min. Of course they're the only ones who do recalls..

Both front airbags, then they also said there's another recall for SRS system. So much fun.  :zzz:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 25, 2016, 09:31:03 am
That's to absorb extra vibrations obv

lifts the bumper 4 Moahr Speed
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 25, 2016, 10:01:01 am
Nearest Honda to us is 75min. Of course they're the only ones who do recalls..

Both front airbags, then they also said there's another recall for SRS system. So much fun.  :zzz:

Did they close the Honda dealer in Watertown?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 25, 2016, 10:24:23 am
Did they close the Honda dealer in Watertown?

oh. Wife scheduled this, a day we both didn't have to work. I didn't even think to check if there was one closer. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 25, 2016, 10:45:23 am
These are the cars that got my Dad & I into autocrossing. He rode in the '70, I rode in the '69. They're incredibly fast, easy to drive, and nice to look at. Kyle used to be a GM suspension engineer before he started DSE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR6T5tZ9_IQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqTdKh0e7Jc
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 25, 2016, 11:08:44 am
My dad drives a Ford Ascape. :/
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 25, 2016, 12:37:45 pm
These are the cars that got my Dad & I into autocrossing. He rode in the '70, I rode in the '69. They're incredibly fast, easy to drive, and nice to look at. Kyle used to be a GM suspension engineer before he started DSE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR6T5tZ9_IQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqTdKh0e7Jc

That 69 looks awesome.  The 70 isn't bad either. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 26, 2016, 04:01:40 pm
Drove 7hrs total to pick up son from mom. I don't like the Subaru tri-spoke steering wheel as much as the Odyssey 4-spoke. I can just hang my hands on the lower spokes on the van. Subie can't.

(http://images.hgmsites.net/lrg/2010-honda-odyssey-4-door-wagon-touring-w-res-navi-steering-wheel_100234578_l.jpg)

(http://images.hgmsites.net/med/2005-subaru-impreza-wagon-natl-2-0-wrx-sport-auto-steering-wheel_100279124_m.jpg)

No, those aren't my pictures. I don't have a Momo wheel.... !
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 26, 2016, 05:17:29 pm
I like three spoke wheels. I rarely put my hands inside of the rim.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 26, 2016, 06:06:07 pm
I like three spoke wheels. I rarely put my hands inside of the rim.

it's so much easier to just hang my thumbs on those bottom spokes....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 26, 2016, 08:06:38 pm
I like 4 spokes since I can put my hand at the bottom of wheel and cruise.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Laconian on November 26, 2016, 09:07:19 pm
Fiero
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 26, 2016, 09:19:07 pm
Fiero

You can't just drop a bomb like that.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Laconian on November 26, 2016, 10:04:25 pm
You can't just drop a bomb like that.
You're one to talk

Swift
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on November 27, 2016, 05:53:21 am
Fiero


pffft. saw three of them a week ago.











At the salvage yard
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on November 27, 2016, 06:13:29 am
I had a Fiero Matchbox car, once.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 27, 2016, 07:34:17 am
There's a Fiero club near here that meets at a Starbucks every month or so. One day I'll drive by and there's like 20 of them.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on November 27, 2016, 09:31:02 am
I've got a buddy with a really nice Fiero. Probably the only one in the world that you can say that about.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 11:12:38 pm
Local kid stanced the fuck outta his

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14632809_1156196881094972_5361015833083309503_n.jpg?oh=3628c8ade3099b3a8974061a6a30f0c0&oe=58B4EB1C)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Gotta-Qik-C7 on November 27, 2016, 11:54:32 pm
Local kid stanced the fuck outta his

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14632809_1156196881094972_5361015833083309503_n.jpg?oh=3628c8ade3099b3a8974061a6a30f0c0&oe=58B4EB1C)
I still love those Fieros......
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 29, 2016, 08:36:31 am
Nice 997s are dropping into semi-affordable range.

997.2 Carrera 2S or 4S in a few years will be the investment buy.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on November 29, 2016, 08:43:35 am
It'd be nice.

I cringe at the thought of 10k repair bills, though.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 29, 2016, 08:59:38 am
They're pretty rock solid.  The big dollar items on those is if you have an IMS bearing failure, but by the 997.2 that was all fixed.  Maintenance stuff isn't too bad for them if you do them yourself.  You shouldn't need to drop the engine or anything like that for a long time if you buy a clean one with a nice maintenance record and relatively low miles.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on November 29, 2016, 10:02:04 am
They're pretty rock solid.  The big dollar items on those is if you have an IMS bearing failure, but by the 997.2 that was all fixed.  Maintenance stuff isn't too bad for them if you do them yourself.  You shouldn't need to drop the engine or anything like that for a long time if you buy a clean one with a nice maintenance record and relatively low miles.

997.2 is probably the best used Porsche to get. Or a 996.2 Turbo.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 29, 2016, 10:41:00 am
997.2 is probably the best used Porsche to get. Or a 996.2 Turbo.

First gen Cayman's are great deals now too.  But it just doesn't have the same appeal as a 911.

I can't get over the 996 fried egg headlights.  Don't think I ever will either.  They look so much older than the 997.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on November 29, 2016, 10:42:20 am
First gen Cayman's are great deals now too.  But it just doesn't have the same appeal as a 911.

I can't get over the 996 fried egg headlights.  Don't think I ever will either.  They look so much older than the 997.

IIRC there are (relatively) inexpensive kits to change the front end on the 996 to a 997 look.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 29, 2016, 10:49:49 am
IIRC there are (relatively) inexpensive kits to change the front end on the 996 to a 997 look.

Still have to contend with the IMS bearing time bomb (for which there is no fix, when it fails you replace with another one of the same design that will also inevitably fail) and sub-par interior.  The 996 was probably the worst generation, all things considered.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on November 29, 2016, 10:52:55 am
Still have to contend with the IMS bearing time bomb (for which there is no fix, when it fails you replace with another one of the same design that will also inevitably fail) and sub-par interior.  The 996 was probably the worst generation, all things considered.

996 Turbo and GT3 do not have the IMS problem. Different engine. That's only on the Carreras.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 29, 2016, 10:54:40 am
This is all I could find: http://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/734787-996-997-front-end-conversion-process-and-pictures.html

I'd rather just pay the extra money to get a better interior and rear end too :lol:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on November 29, 2016, 11:02:41 am
This is all I could find: http://rennlist.com/forums/996-forum/734787-996-997-front-end-conversion-process-and-pictures.html

I'd rather just pay the extra money to get a better interior and rear end too :lol:

I agree and I'd probably go the same route. But it's not really apples to apples. A 997 Carrera/S would be sportier but a 996.2 Turbo would be the better GT. Depends on the intended use.

I found this kit: http://www.wickedmotorworks.com/partdetails.php?partid=10098

Not inexpensive.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 29, 2016, 11:15:04 am
Wow.  A clean 996 will still be $25k+.  997 will be $35k.  Yeah, it'd be tough to justify.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 30, 2016, 11:32:11 am
:lol:

https://www.instagram.com/taismx5/

Please just go look at it.  Bizarre ricing of an ND miata.  The things on the front fenders right behind the wheels are the weirdest.  Just random squares of carbon fiber bolted into the fender.

My favorite thing though, by far, is his "vape shop" instagram tag made into a foot long badge on the back of the car.  Just beautiful :wtf:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BEFG-QuOmNZ/?taken-by=taismx5
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on November 30, 2016, 02:25:21 pm
Nice 997s are dropping into semi-affordable range.

997.2 Carrera 2S or 4S in a few years will be the investment buy.

964eva

(http://cdn.pinthiscars.com/images/porsche-964-7.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Soup DeVille on November 30, 2016, 02:31:05 pm
:lol:

https://www.instagram.com/taismx5/

Please just go look at it.  Bizarre ricing of an ND miata.  The things on the front fenders right behind the wheels are the weirdest.  Just random squares of carbon fiber bolted into the fender.

My favorite thing though, by far, is his "vape shop" instagram tag made into a foot long badge on the back of the car.  Just beautiful :wtf:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BEFG-QuOmNZ/?taken-by=taismx5

I kinda like the front end. The details ruin it, but whatever body kit that is isnt horrible.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 30, 2016, 02:34:44 pm
What body kit?  That's just a stock ND with some goofy blade things thrown on that go around the DRLs.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on November 30, 2016, 03:47:08 pm
The add-ons up front look fine.  Rear looks OK.  WTF are those things tacked on behind the front wheels supposed to be?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 30, 2016, 06:12:59 pm
They're just random carbon fiber garnish. The old farts on the Miata forums are having a heart attack that he just drilled into his fender haha
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on November 30, 2016, 08:11:38 pm
Nice 997s are dropping into semi-affordable range.

997.2 Carrera 2S or 4S in a few years will be the investment buy.

Too tempting........ I would have to put it in storage
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on November 30, 2016, 08:45:32 pm
Too tempting........ I would have to put it in storage

Meh, cars run better when they're driven. There's a ton of them out there too. Drive it as much as you want, when it comes time to sell, you won't lose your ass.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 01, 2016, 05:53:01 am
Chevy will lose money on Bolts to keep the electric dream moving on

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-30/gm-s-ready-to-lose-9-000-a-pop-and-chase-the-electric-car-boom
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Rich on December 01, 2016, 06:51:35 am
They're pretty rock solid.  The big dollar items on those is if you have an IMS bearing failure, but by the 997.2 that was all fixed.  Maintenance stuff isn't too bad for them if you do them yourself.  You shouldn't need to drop the engine or anything like that for a long time if you buy a clean one with a nice maintenance record and relatively low miles.

I'm thinking more along the lines of electronics... gremlins, LCD screen replacement, sensor replacement, electric motor replacements (did that engine come with an electric oil and water pump?)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 01, 2016, 07:17:51 am
Meh, cars run better when they're driven. There's a ton of them out there too. Drive it as much as you want, when it comes time to sell, you won't lose your ass.
True, could be fun I guess. I still have a hangup about owning sports cars and not tracking them. I don't have the stones or $$$ to track this. Still would be fun to have for like 1 year though just to say I did it and the TCO would probably be really low
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 01, 2016, 01:45:50 pm
Sports car =/ track car
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 06:37:28 am
Depends on the sports car. If you can't go more than like 5/10ths without taking asinine teenage risks it's not worth it. These things are definitely in that realm of speed
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 02, 2016, 06:46:42 am
But you still can't track them seriously without modding them
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 06:57:57 am
Mods wouldn't have to be extensive.... brakes and tires would probably be enough

But then the question becomes... do I have $20-30K to spend on a track toy? Hell no. Bike is better in that regard. I think I'm gonna get a suit next year and just get to it
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 02, 2016, 07:52:48 am
Rosberg just retired.  Wow.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 02, 2016, 07:57:10 am
Depends on the sports car. If you can't go more than like 5/10ths without taking asinine teenage risks it's not worth it. These things are definitely in that realm of speed

This is why Civics/Versas make the best track toys for thr non uber rich or entitled rednecks.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on December 02, 2016, 08:07:38 am
Rosberg just retired.  Wow.
He's just in his prime. 
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 02, 2016, 07:12:31 pm
Equus Ultimate is available for mid $20s now. Also, you can get really low mile 2013 civics for $10k? That seems really cheap
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 02, 2016, 07:39:25 pm
Those cars must be so trash.......... can't find a new body GS350 for less than 30 or an F30 335i for less than like 25
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2016, 09:48:06 am
I am weird for thinking these Grand Prix are actually kinda cool looking?

(https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/pontiac/grand-prix/1991/oem/1991_pontiac_grand-prix_coupe_gt_fq_oem_3_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MexicoCityM3 on December 07, 2016, 09:49:41 am
I am weird for thinking these Grand Prix are actually kinda cool looking?

A bit. But it has aged well.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 07, 2016, 10:44:04 am
Those cars must be so trash.......... can't find a new body GS350 for less than 30 or an F30 335i for less than like 25

Yeah, they are :lol:  It's total poor man's old S-class.  With odd hints of Korean manufacturing.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2016, 11:31:05 am
I am weird for thinking these Grand Prix are actually kinda cool looking?

(https://media.ed.edmunds-media.com/pontiac/grand-prix/1991/oem/1991_pontiac_grand-prix_coupe_gt_fq_oem_3_500.jpg)

Not at all. IMO some of GM's best designs came out around this period. We are talking real turds too. I really like the early 90s Cavalier sedan, and all the W bodies from that time had some kind of charm about them. Can't go wrong with tons of glass and a low shoulder line.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 07, 2016, 12:38:10 pm
Not at all. IMO some of GM's best designs came out around this period. We are talking real turds too. I really like the early 90s Cavalier sedan, and all the W bodies from that time had some kind of charm about them. Can't go wrong with tons of glass and a low shoulder line.

:wtf:  Contrarian sporty strikes again!
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 07, 2016, 12:46:52 pm
People agree

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/04/vellum-venom-1989-oldsmobile-cutlass-supreme-sl/
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on December 07, 2016, 01:10:28 pm
Yeah that generation of gm cars look soo good
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 2o6 on December 07, 2016, 01:13:23 pm
Contrarian? I think GM had a lot of styling plusses going for them in the early 1990's.


I don't think the W-body Grand Prix was one of them, though. The Cutlass Supreme was a lot better styled.


I really like the way these 1990's Sevilles look

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/1991_Cadillac_Seville_STS.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on December 07, 2016, 01:15:40 pm
I actually thought the late 90's Pontiac W-body (Grand Prix) was sort of the pinnacle of that chassis. The one above isn't too bad, but the ones after this model looked ridiculous IMHO.

(http://spidercars.net/wp-content/uploads/images/1998-Pontiac-Grand-Prix_20369.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 07, 2016, 03:12:06 pm
Contrarian? I think GM had a lot of styling plusses going for them in the early 1990's.


I don't think the W-body Grand Prix was one of them, though. The Cutlass Supreme was a lot better styled.


I really like the way these 1990's Sevilles look

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/1991_Cadillac_Seville_STS.jpg)

The one thing that bothers me about these cars is that the hood is noticeably lower than the trunk lid.  Kind of disrupts the consistency.  It's subtle and a silly thing to bitch about, but it makes me itch a bit.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Raza on December 07, 2016, 03:32:42 pm
The one thing that bothers me about these cars is that the hood is noticeably lower than the trunk lid.  Kind of disrupts the consistency.  It's subtle and a silly thing to bitch about, but it makes me itch a bit.

I think it's the straight lines that make it look weird to you.  Pretty much all cars are like that.  This is what it looks like when the hood and trunk are at the same level:

(http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2935/2601/7336300008_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 07, 2016, 03:38:37 pm
True true.  The very straightness of the lines is probably what makes me notice it so much on that car.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 07, 2016, 04:11:56 pm
I think I might get one of those stick-on heating pads for my oil pan.  A 25 or 50W pad goes for ~$20.  Pretty cheap.  Could get a battery warmer, too, but I don't think that's really necessary.  I've yet to be stranded in my life by a dead-cold battery, and batteries are cheap.  Engines, however, are not cheap.

Also, the inspiration for this thought...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VLMfUz34R0
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 07, 2016, 04:17:14 pm
Use synthetic oil in winter. Of course an oil heater is a fine idea, too.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 07, 2016, 04:22:18 pm
Use synthetic oil in winter. Of course an oil heater is a fine idea, too.

Too late.  Changed my oil like 250 miles ago with good ol' dinosaur juice.  I'm usually a synthetic guy, but I was feeling cheap...my bad.  I've no issue running conventional as long as I keep up on changing it.  Next change will probably be synthetic or a blend.  Gotta keep the VVTiLQJV stuff happy.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 07, 2016, 04:23:10 pm
Too late.  Changed my oil like 250 miles ago with good ol' dinosaur juice.  I'm usually a synthetic guy, but I was feeling cheap...my bad.  I've no issue running conventional as long as I keep up on changing it.  Next change will probably be synthetic or a blend.  Gotta keep the VVTiLQJV stuff happy.

Winter in UP: synthetic
Summer in UP: dinosaur
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2016, 04:33:06 pm
I need to switch to 0w-30, at least during the winter.

What do you do with the cord on the oil pan heater while driving?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 07, 2016, 04:34:56 pm
Winter in UP: synthetic
Summer in UP: dinosaur

I fucked up.  I'm screwed.  :lol:

Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 07, 2016, 04:35:58 pm
I need to switch to 0w-30, at least during the winter.

What do you do with the cord on the oil pan heater while driving?

You route/attach it to stuff in the engine bay so that the plug sticks out of the grille.  Zip ties.

Link: http://a.co/fBqZ6HE

(http://fordofkirkland-fordparts.com/images/Ford/01_ECN_EngBlockHtr.jpg)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: CaminoRacer on December 07, 2016, 04:38:37 pm
I need to see if I can run an extension cord to the parking garage without anyone messing with it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Cookie Monster on December 07, 2016, 04:40:50 pm
Too late.  Changed my oil like 250 miles ago with good ol' dinosaur juice.  I'm usually a synthetic guy, but I was feeling cheap...my bad.  I've no issue running conventional as long as I keep up on changing it.  Next change will probably be synthetic or a blend.  Gotta keep the VVTiLQJV stuff happy.

Why do you put dino juice in? Synthetic is already pretty cheap and it's good peace of mind...

I was told to not put synthetic in the RX7 since apparently it's easier to burn dino oil than synthetic but that still makes me uneasy...
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 07, 2016, 04:48:00 pm
Why do you put dino juice in? Synthetic is already pretty cheap and it's good peace of mind...

I was told to not put synthetic in the RX7 since apparently it's easier to burn dino oil than synthetic but that still makes me uneasy...

I dunno.  Mostly because I bought the oil at the hardware store and their selection was crap and I didn't feel like going to Walmart. lol  I put the good stuff in it last time.

I've got a long trip coming up over the winter (January or February...can't remember), so I'll probably change it out before then.  I'll probably have 1500-200 miles on this fresh oil by then.  Either way, I'm not too worried about it.  Dino juice is fine for daily drivers if you maintain intervals.  :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 07, 2016, 05:04:45 pm
Auto climate control FTW


I've touched it like 3 times the last few weeks. Once just because the motor was blowing loud and needed to talk on the phone, white noise bothers me a lot.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: SJ_GTI on December 08, 2016, 06:54:39 am
I dunno.  Mostly because I bought the oil at the hardware store and their selection was crap and I didn't feel like going to Walmart. lol  I put the good stuff in it last time.

I've got a long trip coming up over the winter (January or February...can't remember), so I'll probably change it out before then.  I'll probably have 1500-200 miles on this fresh oil by then.  Either way, I'm not too worried about it.  Dino juice is fine for daily drivers if you maintain intervals.  :huh:

Yeah my understanding was always that regular oil performs pretty much the same as synthetic when its new. The problem with regular oil is just that it wears out much faster. So as long as you change you oil at regular (short) intervals regular oil should be fine and work just as well as synthetic.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 08, 2016, 07:55:35 am
Man, I'd really love to add a 2014 IS350 F type to the fleet.  Those are good looking cars.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 09, 2016, 07:33:00 am
XT5 looks really good.... way better than the blocky ass SRX.... actually one of the better looking entries in that segment
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 12,000 RPM on December 09, 2016, 05:43:32 pm
Fucckkkk, F30 328iA is a 13 second car that can do 40 MPG on the highway
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 09, 2016, 07:53:45 pm
https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=406&acctid=4155

Someone buy this and ship it to me for an Exocet build
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 10, 2016, 09:08:17 am
LOL Funny stuff.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/research/crash-sends-race-car-driver-sliding-into-first-place/ar-AAkCy3j?ocid=spartandhp

Guy who flipped ended up winning the race due to rules. :huh:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: ifcar on December 10, 2016, 09:21:41 am
XT5 looks really good.... way better than the blocky ass SRX.... actually one of the better looking entries in that segment

Rounding off a few edges and stretching out the lights made that much difference to you? To me it reads like just a refresh, and IMO looks dated because of it.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MX793 on December 10, 2016, 10:05:53 am
Rounding off a few edges and stretching out the lights made that much difference to you? To me it reads like just a refresh, and IMO looks dated because of it.

Yeah, I wouldn't call the outgoing SRX all that blocky looking.  Not appreciably more than the XT5.  Now the 1st generation SRX, that was pretty blocky looking.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 10, 2016, 04:27:20 pm
The unlock button on the key fob for my parents' Exploder doesn't work, so I have to unlock it with the actual key.

The thing is so fucking stupid that when you UNLOCK THE CAR WITH THE KEY THE ALARM GOES OFF.  IF YOU PUSH THE DOOR UNLOCK BUTTON FOR THE OTHER DOORS IT GETS EVEN LOUDER.

WHY THE FUCK.
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 10, 2016, 04:44:23 pm
The unlock button on the key fob for my parents' Exploder doesn't work, so I have to unlock it with the actual key.

The thing is so fucking stupid that when you UNLOCK THE CAR WITH THE KEY THE ALARM GOES OFF.  IF YOU PUSH THE DOOR UNLOCK BUTTON FOR THE OTHER DOORS IT GETS EVEN LOUDER.

WHY THE FUCK.

Try the driver door.

Odyssey alarm goes off if I use the key on passenger door, and keeps going until I unlock driver door with key. (power locks doesn't do it)
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: giant_mtb on December 10, 2016, 05:52:57 pm
...why would I not be using the driver door.  It is the driver door. lol
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 10, 2016, 09:09:10 pm
...why would I not be using the driver door.  It is the driver door. lol

:huh: I went to put something in my passenger door and got honked at a lot....
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: BimmerM3 on December 10, 2016, 10:43:14 pm
The unlock button on the key fob for my parents' Exploder doesn't work, so I have to unlock it with the actual key.

The thing is so fucking stupid that when you UNLOCK THE CAR WITH THE KEY THE ALARM GOES OFF.  IF YOU PUSH THE DOOR UNLOCK BUTTON FOR THE OTHER DOORS IT GETS EVEN LOUDER.

WHY THE FUCK.

Because you didn't turn the alarm off?

My Accord's alarm worked the same way. The key fob locked/unlocked the doors and armed/disarmed the alarm. The physical key (and interior lock switches) locked/unlocked the door but didn't affect the alarm.

If you lock it with the physical key or the interior lock switches, does the alarm also go off if you unlock with the physical key?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: FoMoJo on December 11, 2016, 08:25:42 am
The unlock button on the key fob for my parents' Exploder doesn't work, so I have to unlock it with the actual key.

The thing is so fucking stupid that when you UNLOCK THE CAR WITH THE KEY THE ALARM GOES OFF.  IF YOU PUSH THE DOOR UNLOCK BUTTON FOR THE OTHER DOORS IT GETS EVEN LOUDER.

WHY THE FUCK.
Do they have 2 keys? Both don't work?
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: 68_427 on December 12, 2016, 05:11:17 am
Carlos and Johnny gushing over the Alfa.  "The power of the C63, the chassis of the ATS, and the interior quality and layout of the M3.  They've made the perfect sports sedan."

https://www.motortrendondemand.com/detail/quick-drive-2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-w-jonny-lieberman-/0_bok2a0ke/
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: AutobahnSHO on December 12, 2016, 05:31:48 am
Heard a dude revving up his Mustang as he was leaving the gas station yesterday.

4banger sounds like garbage coming from a car that big. :mask:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: Eye of the Tiger on December 12, 2016, 06:06:21 am
Heard a dude revving up his Mustang as he was leaving the gas station yesterday.

4banger sounds like garbage coming from a car that big. :mask:

There is one running around here with straight pipes. I like it :mask:
Title: Re: Car Chat
Post by: MrH on December 12, 2016, 07:27:46 am
Carlos and Johnny gushing over the Alfa.  "The power of the C63, the chassis of the ATS, and the interior quality and layout of the M3.  They've made the perfect sports sedan."

https://www.motortrendondemand.com/detail/quick-drive-2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-w-jonny-lieberman-/0_bok2a0ke/