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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2007, 12:52:57 pm »
Things are starting to add up but, I am still WAY under budget


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Oil Filter   $14.05    Cheap filter for initial change
Oil Filter   $31.00    good filter for royal purple
Oil Catch   $9.83    Need to drain the oil at home
Seafoam   $15.22    Hopefully this will flush everything out
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13/16 deap socket   $4.25    That is for the sparkplugs.. BIG
11/16 deap socket   $4.25    Needed for the crankshaft
Marvles Mystery Oil   $3.70    Hopefully a 1 week piston soak will work
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Battery   $63.30    Money well wasted so far?
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PB Blaster   $6.58    Soak the pistons another week.
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1/3 Clamp   $2.49    Heater Hose clamps
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1/2 Clamp   $2.49    Rad hose clamp set
1/2 Clamp   $2.49    
Upper Rad Hose   $14.09    
Lower rad hose   $15.99    
4 ft heater hose   $0.00    They forgot to charge me?
Starter rebuild   $122.18    so far, it is the prettiest part of the car.
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Money Spent   $438.27    
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #91 on: September 16, 2007, 05:44:31 am »
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331 so, I am now looking into an engine swap.
Here is the delemia.
A Chevy 350 is very plentiful but, might not fit in very well without modifications.
A Caddy 500 is almost a straight bolt in however, they are hard to find....
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #92 on: September 16, 2007, 02:14:20 pm »
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #93 on: September 16, 2007, 09:31:01 pm »
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331 so, I am now looking into an engine swap.
Here is the delemia.
A Chevy 350 is very plentiful but, might not fit in very well without modifications.
A Caddy 500 is almost a straight bolt in however, they are hard to find....
How about an L-head?

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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #94 on: September 17, 2007, 06:14:16 am »
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331

How did that happen?

Go to http://www.clcnorcal.com/id15.html and check the listings.  You might be able to find a good 331 engine if you desire to. 

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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #95 on: September 17, 2007, 07:26:34 am »
How did that happen?

Go to http://www.clcnorcal.com/id15.html and check the listings.  You might be able to find a good 331 engine if you desire to. 

How did it happen?
Well, the short story is that I am a friggen retard.

I snapped a bold off inthe head trying to remove my waterpum.
No big deal right? just drill it out.
Well, during my attempts to drill it out, I keps breaking drill bits and my frustration mounted. I fulally got it to bite but, it was at an angle going towards the crankase.
Again, because I was frustrated, I just kept on going until I felt it punch thru something. The leangth and the angle tells me I went thru the crankcase.
I am currently looking onto a JB weld repair. I am still pretty frustrated because I connected the new starter and it actually cranked with good compression on all 8 pistons.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #96 on: September 17, 2007, 11:09:08 am »
It's good news that you've got it cranking.  Too bad about the hole in the block.  Maybe it's not as bad as you think.  Did you get the broken bolt out?
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2007, 11:43:22 am »
Well, I ended up punching a hole in the crankcase of the 331 so, I am now looking into an engine swap.
Here is the delemia.
A Chevy 350 is very plentiful but, might not fit in very well without modifications.
A Caddy 500 is almost a straight bolt in however, they are hard to find....

No they aren't. The only 500s that are hard to find are the early '70 Eldo motors with the nodular iron crank, and unless you're planning on pumping out over 650 HP, you don't need one.

They're still relatively easy to find at most junkyards.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2007, 11:45:57 am »
How about an L-head?

Well, the interesting thing about the '49 is it is in many ways the first truly post war caddy (new body and all new drivetrain): and the first year for the OHV V-8. If he had a '48, he'd already have a flathead.

He could also go with a 472, but might be advised to steer clear of the 425s.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2007, 11:58:03 am »
I have not gotten the bolt out of the block yet. I figured the best thing was to step back and take a breather before getting pissed and causing more damage.

I was able to find a conversion kit for a Caddy 500 which consists of motor mounts and oil pan for pretty cheap.
I have had no luck at all with the same kit for a Chevy smallblock.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #100 on: September 20, 2007, 08:17:33 am »
A 350 instantly makes this car a huge snooze. Get a Caddy 500, a crate 572, anything but an everybody-and-his-mom smallblock.


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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #101 on: September 20, 2007, 08:29:12 am »
A 350 instantly makes this car a huge snooze. Get a Caddy 500, a crate 572, anything but an everybody-and-his-mom smallblock.
Well, a crate 572 is out of the question... WAY too much money.
The only reason I am looking at the 350 is because they are everywhere but, you are correct. it makes it a real snooze fest.
Tomorrow night I should know if I can get my hands on a 500 or, this weekend when I pull the timing chain cover off, I will know how much damage I actually caused....
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #102 on: September 21, 2007, 11:07:18 pm »
Well, a crate 572 is out of the question... WAY too much money.
The only reason I am looking at the 350 is because they are everywhere but, you are correct. it makes it a real snooze fest.
Tomorrow night I should know if I can get my hands on a 500 or, this weekend when I pull the timing chain cover off, I will know how much damage I actually caused....

Oh, I know a 572 is worth more than this whole car a few times over. Just piling on the "anything but a 5.7" a bit too much :P


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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #103 on: September 21, 2007, 11:18:04 pm »
Oh, I know a 572 is worth more than this whole car a few times over. Just piling on the "anything but a 5.7" a bit too much :P

It's still based on the Chebbie bore spacing, and is thus blasphemous to put in a caddy, besides which, worth has little to do with any of this: although Diver's $5000 budget would be blown away...
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #104 on: September 21, 2007, 11:33:46 pm »
How did it happen?
Well, the short story is that I am a friggen retard.

I snapped a bold off inthe head trying to remove my waterpum.
No big deal right? just drill it out.
Well, during my attempts to drill it out, I keps breaking drill bits and my frustration mounted. I fulally got it to bite but, it was at an angle going towards the crankase.
Again, because I was frustrated, I just kept on going until I felt it punch thru something. The leangth and the angle tells me I went thru the crankcase.
I am currently looking onto a JB weld repair. I am still pretty frustrated because I connected the new starter and it actually cranked with good compression on all 8 pistons.

I'm trying to envision exactly what happened (drilled through back of a bolt hole?), but I imagine that a machine shop should be able to fix it. Heck, you might even be able to tap it, install a threaded plug with lots of Loctite red, and call it good.

I don't think there's any shame in the 350. Most people won't know, and IMO even a moderately built example will outpower most any stock big block Caddy motors you'd find. Those few that it won't ('70 500 for example) are really rare.

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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #105 on: September 21, 2007, 11:39:39 pm »
I'm trying to envision exactly what happened (drilled through back of a bolt hole?), but I imagine that a machine shop should be able to fix it. Heck, you might even be able to tap it, install a threaded plug with lots of Loctite red, and call it good.

I don't think there's any shame in the 350. Most people won't know, and IMO even a moderately built example will outpower most any stock big block Caddy motors you'd find. Those few that it won't ('70 500 for example) are really rare.

Bahhh: even a wheez-o-matic '77-'79 425 can be cheaply built to better the power of most mild 350s.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #106 on: September 22, 2007, 12:18:39 am »
Now that the show is finally over, I can show you this car.

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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #107 on: September 23, 2007, 10:44:53 am »
I'm trying to envision exactly what happened (drilled through back of a bolt hole?), but I imagine that a machine shop should be able to fix it. Heck, you might even be able to tap it, install a threaded plug with lots of Loctite red, and call it good.

I don't think there's any shame in the 350. Most people won't know, and IMO even a moderately built example will outpower most any stock big block Caddy motors you'd find. Those few that it won't ('70 500 for example) are really rare.

OK...
If you look at the engine from the front, we are looing at the lower bold hole on the block on the right hand side. the crankcases in about 4 inches to the left.
Anyway, I started to drill straight and, because of my frustration, I started to angle towards the crankcase (to the left).
Most smart folk would have stopped and re-evaluated but, not me.
I kept on going until I felt something push thru. I am assuming that wouldbe the crankcase however, I am not starting to doubt myself. I may have busted thru a waterjacket instead because if I push a small drillbit thru the hole, I am still hitting something. If I was in the crankcase, I should go all the way thru unless I am hitting the camshaft itself....
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #108 on: September 23, 2007, 02:23:34 pm »
OK...
If you look at the engine from the front, we are looing at the lower bold hole on the block on the right hand side. the crankcases in about 4 inches to the left.
Anyway, I started to drill straight and, because of my frustration, I started to angle towards the crankcase (to the left).
Most smart folk would have stopped and re-evaluated but, not me.
I kept on going until I felt something push thru. I am assuming that wouldbe the crankcase however, I am not starting to doubt myself. I may have busted thru a waterjacket instead because if I push a small drillbit thru the hole, I am still hitting something. If I was in the crankcase, I should go all the way thru unless I am hitting the camshaft itself....

You might try spinning the water pump with an impact wrench and seeing if you're pumping any coolant into the oil pan.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #109 on: September 23, 2007, 05:21:44 pm »
Thats actually a pretty easy thing to check cometo think of it.
I can turn the motor over under it's own power now.
I should go ahead and tap and rethread the hole and just put the pump back on.
Once I get it running, drive it and change the oil. I should see water at that point....
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« Reply #110 on: September 23, 2007, 06:01:25 pm »
Thats actually a pretty easy thing to check cometo think of it.
I can turn the motor over under it's own power now.
I should go ahead and tap and rethread the hole and just put the pump back on.
Once I get it running, drive it and change the oil. I should see water at that point....

Seems like it would work to me.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #111 on: September 24, 2007, 07:45:06 am »
Seems like it would work to me.
Naturally, I killed the battery so, I need to buy a charger...'sigh'
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #112 on: September 27, 2007, 04:20:52 pm »
So, are you really selling it?
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #113 on: September 27, 2007, 05:05:43 pm »
So, are you really selling it?

Well... yeah... I was but, I don't know.
I found a 65 Buick vert that I wanted but, I went and looked at it last night and it is too far gone so, I am gonna start the the body work on it while I am still looking for an engine.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #114 on: October 01, 2007, 07:02:34 am »
OK...
I sandblasted the hood this weekend, hit it with a skim coat of bondo to cover up the small imperfections, primer, block sand, and then primer again.

I still need to sand it smooth one more time before I lay paint but for now, it will sit in the thick primer/sealer.
On another note, I found a Caddy 500 attached to a turbo 400 transmission. Hopefully if the weather holds out, I can grab it next weekend.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2007, 12:11:06 pm »
Anything happening with the Caddy?
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2007, 01:43:05 pm »
Anything happening with the Caddy?

I tried to get it to turn over Sunday evening and was met with...silence...
I put the charger on it and this morning...silence again.
I called the place that I bought my battery from and they told me to bring it in for a straight exchange.
On a side note, I went to the NSRA show in Tampa this weekend and gathered knowlege, patience, and... pictures.
I will post the pix soon.
Basically, I either need to have a LOT of talent or, a LOT of money.
Since the money issue ain't gonna happen any time soon, I better get smart.
My father swore that we will have it running this weekend. I still need to get the brakes working....
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2007, 02:24:20 pm »
I think that patience is the key.  It's been a while since I've really tried my hand at any refurbishing or fixing but anytime I tried to take shortcuts it just made the process more difficult.  I'm hoping to start my project within a year...and, this time, I'm determined to do it right...no matter how long it takes.
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2007, 02:30:34 pm »
I think that patience is the key.  It's been a while since I've really tried my hand at any refurbishing or fixing but anytime I tried to take shortcuts it just made the process more difficult.  I'm hoping to start my project within a year...and, this time, I'm determined to do it right...no matter how long it takes.

Right now, I really just want to get it running and moving so i can at least move it around the house when I need to. I can make it pretty later but, once it runs, I can move it to the side of the house and set up some shelter. It will make life a LOT easier for everyone involved...
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Re: 1949 Cadillac Restoration project
« Reply #119 on: October 16, 2007, 05:59:52 pm »
Well, a bit of good news,
I brought my battery back to autozone. Dead as Elvis.
They give me a striaght up exchange at no charge.
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