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Re: The Official MX-5 Miata Thread
« Reply #2490 on: April 19, 2020, 08:22:42 pm »
Had a nice 60mi romp. Average consumption: 38mpg. Hooray for summer gas!

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« Reply #2491 on: May 21, 2020, 02:19:59 pm »
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« Reply #2492 on: May 21, 2020, 07:22:21 pm »


Love Fiata references and the difference between my stock NA and Scrappy in terms of floppy back end is AMAZING..

And hope your ND is ripping up the roads! 
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« Reply #2493 on: May 21, 2020, 07:48:59 pm »
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« Reply #2494 on: May 25, 2020, 01:12:44 pm »
Cleaned it up and went for a nice ride in the mountains east of town. Notice intact right foglamp!  ;)


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« Reply #2495 on: May 25, 2020, 06:53:03 pm »
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« Reply #2496 on: May 25, 2020, 07:03:46 pm »
Cleaned it up and went for a nice ride in the mountains east of town. Notice intact right foglamp!  ;)


Your wife drive it yet?
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« Reply #2497 on: May 25, 2020, 07:04:46 pm »
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« Reply #2498 on: May 27, 2020, 12:17:08 pm »
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« Reply #2499 on: May 27, 2020, 01:40:07 pm »
So I'm looking at NC2 and NC3. Probably a Grand Touring? Seems like there's a decent selection in the $12-15k range. Maybe I'll hold out for a good Club model.

For a DD in an area that snows, would the soft top be fine? I prefer it to the PRHT but don't want trouble if the soft top is bad in the winter.
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« Reply #2500 on: May 27, 2020, 01:55:54 pm »
Your wife drive it yet?

She's been in it for a ride, but hasn't driven it. I went slow.  ;)

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« Reply #2501 on: May 27, 2020, 01:56:36 pm »
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« Reply #2502 on: May 27, 2020, 02:09:56 pm »
So I'm looking at NC2 and NC3. Probably a Grand Touring? Seems like there's a decent selection in the $12-15k range. Maybe I'll hold out for a good Club model.

For a DD in an area that snows, would the soft top be fine? I prefer it to the PRHT but don't want trouble if the soft top is bad in the winter.

The hardtop itself is made of composite and from what i've read, they don't break very much. It's a programmed procedure to raise and lower the top. The ECU lowers both windows about an inch, activates the top motor and raises the boot. It beeps when the procedure is finished. You have to be stopped, but you can buy a module that bypasses that. I don't know anything about the softtop.
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Re: The Official MX-5 Miata Thread
« Reply #2503 on: June 03, 2020, 10:20:31 am »
So I'm looking at NC2 and NC3. Probably a Grand Touring? Seems like there's a decent selection in the $12-15k range. Maybe I'll hold out for a good Club model.

For a DD in an area that snows, would the soft top be fine? I prefer it to the PRHT but don't want trouble if the soft top is bad in the winter.

I had my NA in Clarksville, TN. It had a cheap vinyl soft top, which was very hard to close when cold. That could be adjusted but I never bothered.

Miatas aren't good in rain, you have to take it easy with the RWD and I imagine snow/ice are even worse. 

The extra weight for PRHT I think would be worth it in your area.
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« Reply #2504 on: June 03, 2020, 10:33:53 am »
I had my NA in Clarksville, TN. It had a cheap vinyl soft top, which was very hard to close when cold. That could be adjusted but I never bothered.

Miatas aren't good in rain, you have to take it easy with the RWD and I imagine snow/ice are even worse. 

The extra weight for PRHT I think would be worth it in your area.

I've driven my RWD torquey El Camino in snow and rain so I'm not too worried about that aspect. I have garage space now so I could probably get a set of snow tires too.

Does PRHT cut into the trunk space more than the soft tops?
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« Reply #2505 on: June 03, 2020, 11:32:45 am »
Nope, the Miata PRHT stacks in the same space that's used by the softtop.
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« Reply #2506 on: June 03, 2020, 11:37:04 am »
I don't understand this notion that RWD is "bad" in the rain.  At least half the miles I've accumulated in my lifetime have been in RWD cars, some of them pretty powerful, in a part of the world where water falls from the sky at least 1 out of every 3 days during spring, summer, and fall and have never so much as had a pucker moment.  I don't even really adjust my driving style on the street unless it's raining so hard that visibility is poor or there is significant standing water pooled in the road.  I do back down the intensity when driving on a track, and even then I'm driving harder and faster than any sane person should be driving on the street.  I also will slow down around curves on the bike, but that's because oil spots become very slick when wet and I only have two very small contact patches.

Now, if you live someplace in the southwest where it only rains once a month, the roads do get pretty greasy, especially in the opening minutes of a rain shower.
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Re: The Official MX-5 Miata Thread
« Reply #2507 on: June 03, 2020, 11:40:15 am »
:hesaid: Also: when you break traction in RWD, you don't lose steering and scrub wide. Ease off the throttle and the oversteer disappears. IMO, this is a safer (and more fun!) failure mode for folks who know how to drive.
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« Reply #2508 on: June 03, 2020, 12:37:41 pm »
:hesaid: Also: when you break traction in RWD, you don't lose steering and scrub wide. Ease off the throttle and the oversteer disappears. IMO, this is a safer (and more fun!) failure mode for folks who know how to drive.

That's true unless you have an lsd in the rear... Things can come around very quickly and requires a significant amount of skill to control
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« Reply #2509 on: June 03, 2020, 12:58:08 pm »
That's true unless you have an lsd in the rear... Things can come around very quickly and requires a significant amount of skill to control
I had this experience in my '57 Studebaker Silver Hawk.  Took a 130 degree angle turn at an intersection too quickly in the rain.  I was lucky to catch it, but was very close to spinning out.  The over steer was bad enough but the first correction caused an even bigger opposite over steer.  Showing off to a friend, but it taught me a lesson.
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« Reply #2510 on: June 03, 2020, 01:29:34 pm »
I don't understand this notion that RWD is "bad" in the rain.  At least half the miles I've accumulated in my lifetime have been in RWD cars, some of them pretty powerful, in a part of the world where water falls from the sky at least 1 out of every 3 days during spring, summer, and fall and have never so much as had a pucker moment.  I don't even really adjust my driving style on the street unless it's raining so hard that visibility is poor or there is significant standing water pooled in the road.  I do back down the intensity when driving on a track, and even then I'm driving harder and faster than any sane person should be driving on the street.  I also will slow down around curves on the bike, but that's because oil spots become very slick when wet and I only have two very small contact patches.

Now, if you live someplace in the southwest where it only rains once a month, the roads do get pretty greasy, especially in the opening minutes of a rain shower.

Not saying you can't drive RWD in the rain. I do and have.

It's night and day though Subaru to Miata. I drive the Miata hard almost every corner and get pretty bad gas mileage...    But in the rain have to drive much nicer.

Subaru I can beat absolutely anyone from a light when it's wet out because they're a little more careful on the gas but I can mash 100% and not have any slipping (except for corners and braking of course).
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Re: The Official MX-5 Miata Thread
« Reply #2511 on: June 03, 2020, 02:22:02 pm »
But in the rain have to drive much nicer.

I strongly suspect that the issue has more to do with the tires than the driven wheels.
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« Reply #2512 on: June 03, 2020, 03:05:30 pm »
Not saying you can't drive RWD in the rain. I do and have.

It's night and day though Subaru to Miata. I drive the Miata hard almost every corner and get pretty bad gas mileage...    But in the rain have to drive much nicer.

Subaru I can beat absolutely anyone from a light when it's wet out because they're a little more careful on the gas but I can mash 100% and not have any slipping (except for corners and braking of course).

Like I said, I do not adjust my normal street driving style for light or moderate rain.  I take corners and ramps at the same speed.  I accelerate from a stop with the same amount of throttle application.  I think the only change I make in those conditions is that I do increase my following distance relative to the car in front of me.

There are things I'm willing to do in the dry that I won't in the rain, like a full throttle romp from a stoplight or really hucking it into a ramp or down a twisty gorge road, but I don't do those things routinely as part of my normal driving style.

I posted a video a while back of me racing in the rain.  It was before I had dedicated race tires, so I was running my normal street tires.  The g forces were also displayed.  I was pulling .7-.8g lateral in the corners.  I saw .4-.5g in forward acceleration.  These numbers are significant.  Cornering in particular.
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« Reply #2513 on: June 03, 2020, 07:54:32 pm »
Like I said, I do not adjust my normal street driving style for light or moderate rain.  I take corners and ramps at the same speed.  I accelerate from a stop with the same amount of throttle application.  I think the only change I make in those conditions is that I do increase my following distance relative to the car in front of me.

There are things I'm willing to do in the dry that I won't in the rain, like a full throttle romp from a stoplight or really hucking it into a ramp or down a twisty gorge road, but I don't do those things routinely as part of my normal driving style.

I posted a video a while back of me racing in the rain.  It was before I had dedicated race tires, so I was running my normal street tires.  The g forces were also displayed.  I was pulling .7-.8g lateral in the corners.  I saw .4-.5g in forward acceleration.  These numbers are significant.  Cornering in particular.

I romp quite a lot, Miata can do so safely and within speed limits. Legal go-kart as it were.

Yes my car has economy tires but they have totally safe/ healthy tread on them. But I can't drive it in the rain like I do when it's dry. Even though when it's wet I still catch people on corners- but those are people who are scared of going more than 10mph around a regular corner.
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Re: The Official MX-5 Miata Thread
« Reply #2514 on: June 03, 2020, 07:56:17 pm »
I strongly suspect that the issue has more to do with the tires than the driven wheels.

My tires are economy tires with not super grip but they have healthy tread and pattern.

I just drive the car hard cornering- can't do the same in rain. Rich did put on the crossbar under the hood and some goodies under the rear which almost totally eliminate body roll. Adds a bit of oversteer I suspect.
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« Reply #2515 on: June 04, 2020, 01:28:13 pm »
I did //M School in a downpour and actually half of tradition training there is in the wet to teach car control at safer speeds... You can definitely achieve what to normal driver are "brown stain" levels of cornering acceleration in the rain.
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« Reply #2516 on: June 04, 2020, 01:43:33 pm »
I did //M School in a downpour and actually half of tradition training there is in the wet to teach car control at safer speeds... You can definitely achieve what to normal driver are "brown stain" levels of cornering acceleration in the rain.

Unless you are on exceptionally bad tires.  Though even on the garbage economy tires that came on my last Mustang (which I could break loose in 3rd gear in the rain), I didn't have to slow down from my normal driving in the rain.
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« Reply #2517 on: June 04, 2020, 02:01:35 pm »
I want to upgrade my Miata's tires, but I barely drove my car pre-'rona, and I almost never drive it now. My mechanicals were bone dry when I fired it up yesterday - the car had been idle for almost three weeks. The lifter ticking noise took almost ten minutes to disappear.
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« Reply #2518 on: June 04, 2020, 02:04:37 pm »
I want to upgrade my Miata's tires, but I barely drove my car pre-'rona, and I almost never drive it now. My mechanicals were bone dry when I fired it up yesterday - the car had been idle for almost three weeks. The lifter ticking noise took almost ten minutes to disappear.

Was it lifter tick or injector noise?  DI motors have a fair bit of clatter from the injectors.

Edit:  do recent Miatas even have hydraulic lifters?  IIRC, the NCs had solid lifters.  I would assume NDs retained that.  NAs and NBs had hydraulic lifters.
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« Reply #2519 on: June 04, 2020, 02:09:13 pm »
I want to upgrade my Miata's tires, but I barely drove my car pre-'rona, and I almost never drive it now. My mechanicals were bone dry when I fired it up yesterday - the car had been idle for almost three weeks. The lifter ticking noise took almost ten minutes to disappear.
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