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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #10200 on: May 22, 2020, 03:18:00 pm »
The left-right interaction is roughly the same as having a sway bar.  Unless you are accustomed to driving cars without rear sway bars, you'll get some motion from one side transferred to the other via the sway.

Not sure unsprung weight is actually any higher in a torsion beam, either.  Particularly when compared to a multi-link.  The beam is actually very close to the trailing arm attachment point, so it moves relatively little with the rest of the suspension and therefore would contribute relatively little to the effective unsprung weight.
As mentioned, my only comparison is between early 2000s Pontiac Sunfire vs. early 2000s Focus.  No comparison in ride quality over rough surfaces, but we seem to be repeating ourselves.
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« Reply #10201 on: May 22, 2020, 03:23:46 pm »
First gen Foci were lift-off oversteer masheeenz. :rockon:
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« Reply #10202 on: May 22, 2020, 04:01:27 pm »
Just saying, a lot of those rusting Cavs you see in junkyards are probably not sporting an Ecotec.  And it's that old 2200 OHV that got the Cav its reputation of running poorly for a very long time.  Same engine that was in the S10 trucks.

Same engine as the VORTEC? Ah man, that was a lousy engine. It's hilarious how GM put such little effort into their small engines.
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« Reply #10203 on: May 22, 2020, 04:05:17 pm »
Same engine as the VORTEC? Ah man, that was a lousy engine. It's hilarious how GM put such little effort into their small engines.


I don’t follow. The 2.2OHV was old, but reliable? I don’t understand what was lousy about it. Even the 4.3L Vortec was pretty decent???

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« Reply #10204 on: May 22, 2020, 04:26:46 pm »
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« Reply #10205 on: May 22, 2020, 04:35:33 pm »
Having driven the new Corolla, I don’t think the rear axle has that much to do with it being dynamically superior to the old car. The new chassis is stiffer, the suspension is firmer, and the steering has more feel and the ratio is faster.


Also torsion beans never left.

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« Reply #10206 on: May 22, 2020, 04:45:05 pm »
I also think drum brakes in the rear are totally fine for the vast majority of FWD compact and smaller cars.

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« Reply #10207 on: May 22, 2020, 04:54:07 pm »
I also think drum brakes in the rear are totally fine for the vast majority of FWD compact and smaller cars.

I am perfectly fine with simple leading/trailing drums in the backs of small cars. They last practically forever, amd make great parking brakes.
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« Reply #10208 on: May 22, 2020, 04:56:56 pm »
I also think drum brakes in the rear are totally fine for the vast majority of FWD compact and smaller cars.
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« Reply #10209 on: May 22, 2020, 04:57:42 pm »
four of the flip cars that I bought that had rear disc brakes, had seized calipers. Three Mazdas, and a Scion tC.


Changing rear calipers on a saltbelt car is fucking awful.

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« Reply #10210 on: May 22, 2020, 05:04:56 pm »

I don’t follow. The 2.2OHV was old, but reliable? I don’t understand what was lousy about it. Even the 4.3L Vortec was pretty decent???

A friend of mine had an S10 with that engine and it was a slow POS.
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« Reply #10211 on: May 22, 2020, 05:12:27 pm »
A friend of mine had an S10 with that engine and it was a slow POS.

Gutless, wheezy, and unrefined, but they seem to run forever.
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« Reply #10212 on: May 22, 2020, 05:19:56 pm »
four of the flip cars that I bought that had rear disc brakes, had seized calipers. Three Mazdas, and a Scion tC.


Changing rear calipers on a saltbelt car is fucking awful.

Seized drums are no joke either; and hard as hell to get adjusted in afterwards.
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« Reply #10213 on: May 22, 2020, 05:26:30 pm »
Seized drums are no joke either; and hard as hell to get adjusted in afterwards.

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« Reply #10214 on: May 23, 2020, 06:35:59 am »
A little bit of Indy 500 history.
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« Reply #10215 on: May 23, 2020, 06:39:34 am »
I'd rather talk about the Iron Duke.
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« Reply #10216 on: May 23, 2020, 07:30:22 am »
What does the Classic Car license plate designation get you in Germany?  Other than it looks cool, I’m assuming you get a pass on some emissions and safety regulations.

They are exempt from emissions and can drive through so-called "environmental zones" in German cities which are off-limits to older but non-historic gasoline/diesel cars.

There are also insurance and tax advantages as the yearly car tax is not calculated through emissions class and engine capacity. Owners of a historic vehicle pay a fixed 192 Euro per year tax. My dad has a fully comprehensive insurance package for his SL and only pays 34 Euros a month (408 Euros a year) for this package. On a normal car with say a 12,000 km yearly limit you'd be in the low 1000 Euro range.
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Re: Car Chat
« Reply #10217 on: May 23, 2020, 05:55:35 pm »
Got four things done on the Miata today. First, replaced cracked glass fog light assembly. Involved removal of right inner fender. Not a huge deal. It's an aftermarket part, but made in Taiwan, not China. Fit was good. Works nice.


Second thing was replacement of right rear tire pressure sensor. I broke the damn thing when patching a nail hole. Used a genuine Mazda TPMS, it self programs. Discount Tire charged me $15 to install it.

Third was the little rubber covered button on the exterior door handle. They disintegrate after 6 years or so, rigged a little plastic button and bonded it in. It allows you to lock and unlock the doors without taking the remote out of your pocket.

Fourth was I lucked out and found the missing rubber hood stop in the inner fender!  ;)

A thrilling day for sure.


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« Reply #10218 on: May 23, 2020, 06:45:26 pm »
...but made in Taiwan, not China...

Mods, please move this post to the politics sub forum...

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« Reply #10219 on: May 23, 2020, 06:47:28 pm »
Aren't they the same thing? Taiwan has always been a province of China.









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« Reply #10220 on: May 23, 2020, 07:33:17 pm »
Generally speaking, products made in Taiwan are built to a higher standard than mainland China stuff. Generally.  ;)

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« Reply #10221 on: May 23, 2020, 09:22:30 pm »
Generally speaking, products made in Taiwan are built to a higher standard than mainland China stuff. Generally.  ;)

My post was a failed troll attempt.
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« Reply #10222 on: May 24, 2020, 04:03:27 am »
Aren't they the same thing? Taiwan has always been a province of China.









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TROLL!!!!  You're supposed to be a fucking moderator!!!!  :lol:
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« Reply #10223 on: May 24, 2020, 05:21:45 am »
I thought Taiwan was part of Tailand. :erjerbs:
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« Reply #10224 on: May 24, 2020, 09:56:16 am »
I thought Taiwan was part of Tailand. :erjerbs:

No, it's part of Venezuela.  :rage: :rage:
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« Reply #10225 on: May 24, 2020, 12:32:18 pm »
No, it's part of Venezuela.  :rage: :rage:

You're thinking of Cuba :rolleyes:
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« Reply #10226 on: May 24, 2020, 02:04:10 pm »
No jokes about Hong Kong though, that's just too soon. :cry:
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« Reply #10227 on: May 25, 2020, 04:52:15 pm »
You have obviously never actually used (or tried to use) one of those "wave your foot" tailgates before.  And you think I don't understand what a vicinity key fob is. :wtf:

:confused:  I own one.
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« Reply #10228 on: May 26, 2020, 09:58:44 am »
German intro of Knight Rider. WHY SO DAMN SERIOUS!?  :lol:

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« Reply #10229 on: May 31, 2020, 10:24:20 am »
Detailing a friend's Touareg today.  So interesting (but not terribly surprising) how it makes all the same sounds as my A4 did. The door lock chirp, the fuel pump priming, the door locks themselves sound the same, engine starter (though this is a V6), to whatever little solenoid thing clicks behind the gauges when you shut it off.

Brings back memories. Would be a great day for a drive in that A4. 60s, sunny, stick shift...ahhh. :cry: