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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2018, 02:02:04 pm »
The one thing that bothers me is the weird cut out of the rear doors. In 4 door Wrangler this is where the wheel arch would be, but on the truck the wheels are further back. They really should have made new doors for this, since this looks like a back alley shop cobbled it together.

I noticed that too, but from a practical sense, that's the part of the interior where the seat is, so it's not really blocking anything, and while I know this is a stretch for a justification (I'm sure the real reason was to avoid having to retool a few machines on the production line), I suppose that there's a small chance that a rock on some 4x4 trail could prevent the door from opening if it were in *just* the right place and it was a full door.
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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2018, 03:26:33 pm »
I noticed that too, but from a practical sense, that's the part of the interior where the seat is, so it's not really blocking anything ... (I'm sure the real reason was to avoid having to retool a few machines on the production line)...

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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #122 on: December 05, 2018, 04:13:02 pm »
It got a 1 star rating in EuroNCAP.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/Jeep/Wrangler/34192

Did not expect it to do that bad.  :mask:

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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #123 on: December 05, 2018, 04:52:12 pm »
It got a 1 star rating in EuroNCAP.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/Jeep/Wrangler/34192

Did not expect it to do that bad.  :mask:

Euro NCAP heavily weights driver assist/automation features (auto emergency braking, lane-keeping assist, etc).  IIRC, the Mustang got a pretty poor rating on Euro NCAP, not because of how it actually held up in a collision, but because it didn't have various automated assist features.
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« Reply #124 on: December 05, 2018, 04:54:16 pm »
Yeah, I went through the PDF of that report. And although it didn't do super well in general crash testing, it seemed like a lot of its negative rating was coming from a lack of bullshit like "active hood" or automatic crash-avoidance crap.

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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #125 on: December 05, 2018, 05:18:12 pm »
Euro NCAP heavily weights driver assist/automation features (auto emergency braking, lane-keeping assist, etc).  IIRC, the Mustang got a pretty poor rating on Euro NCAP, not because of how it actually held up in a collision, but because it didn't have various automated assist features.

The Wrangler would have gotten a two star rating with all of the tech features.

The main problem with the Mustang was that the dummies slid underneath the seat belts. 

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« Reply #126 on: December 05, 2018, 05:20:32 pm »
I have literally never looked at a crash test rating when I was looking into cars to purchase. I doubt Jeep is gonna lose many customers over that - maybe a few parents who are buying vehicles for their kids.
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« Reply #127 on: December 05, 2018, 05:33:48 pm »
I have literally never looked at a crash test rating when I was looking into cars to purchase. I doubt Jeep is gonna lose many customers over that - maybe a few parents who are buying vehicles for their kids.

Yeah, it's really just a marketing tool towards the paranoid and parentals.

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« Reply #128 on: December 05, 2018, 06:01:40 pm »

I'd be more worried about "death wobble"... But jeep buyers don't care about that so who cares about crash ratings or death wobble when your cruising around with the doors off and the top off
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« Reply #129 on: December 05, 2018, 06:22:18 pm »
I'd be more worried about "death wobble"... But jeep buyers don't care about that so who cares about crash ratings or death wobble when your cruising around with the doors off and the top off

Is death wobble still a thing?
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« Reply #130 on: December 05, 2018, 06:31:54 pm »
Is death wobble still a thing?

On motorcycles and old Jeeps that people have done half assed axle flops on.
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« Reply #131 on: December 05, 2018, 07:16:58 pm »
Is death wobble still a thing?

NHTSA is investigating on the new JL after a bunch of complaints
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« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2018, 07:47:39 pm »
NHTSA is investigating on the new JL after a bunch of complaints

lol really?

Also it seems like the world just forgot about that whole faulty frame weld thing. I guess the problem wasn't as bad as originally reported?
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« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2018, 07:49:29 pm »
NHTSA is investigating on the new JL after a bunch of complaints

I wonder of it has something to do with lift kits ... and stupid yoooge wheels/tires
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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #134 on: December 06, 2018, 04:32:12 am »
Lift kits, yooge wheels, Mad Max body & window cladding, and at least three million-lumen LED light bars are the thing around here on Wranglers. And black/dark grey camo paint obviously. Menacing is the look to go for.
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« Reply #135 on: December 06, 2018, 06:15:14 am »
lol really?

Also it seems like the world just forgot about that whole faulty frame weld thing. I guess the problem wasn't as bad as originally reported?

The quality expectations of Wrangler owners is a fairly low
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« Reply #136 on: December 06, 2018, 06:15:50 am »
I wonder of it has something to do with lift kits ... and stupid yoooge wheels/tires

Some complaints seem to be stock wranglers.
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« Reply #137 on: December 06, 2018, 07:14:19 am »
The quality expectations of Wrangler owners is a fairly low

It's funny how much Alfa looks like Wrangler when you spell it that way.
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« Reply #138 on: December 06, 2018, 07:38:40 am »
It's funny how much Alfa looks like Wrangler when you spell it that way.

The key difference is after a 5 minute road test, any potential buyer knows a wrangler is a complete utter POS on the pavement... and will still buy it just because of image.

An alfa buyer will be so in love after a 5 minute road test that they no longer care.
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« Reply #139 on: December 06, 2018, 08:05:11 am »
The key difference is after a 5 minute road test, any potential buyer knows a wrangler is a complete utter POS on the pavement... and will still buy it just because of image.

An alfa buyer will be so in love after a 5 minute road test that they no longer care.

Probably  :lol:
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« Reply #140 on: December 06, 2018, 09:41:34 am »
NHTSA is investigating on the new JL after a bunch of complaints

If by "a bunch," you mean...11.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/19/jeep-wrangler-death-wobble-nhtsa/

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« Reply #141 on: December 06, 2018, 10:04:56 am »
If by "a bunch," you mean...11.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/19/jeep-wrangler-death-wobble-nhtsa/

That article is almost 2 weeks old. It could easily be up to 12 by now.

It would be interesting to see how many of the complaints are for 2 door Wranglers compared to 4 door. Either would be just as likely to experience the condition but it would tend to be more destabilizing on a shorter wheelbase vehicle.
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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #142 on: December 06, 2018, 10:38:52 am »
Also it seems like the world just forgot about that whole faulty frame weld thing.

The world got their Wrangler frames from China, they did all of the welding correctly. The US Wrangler frames are from Detroit they had their difficulties.  :devil:

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« Reply #143 on: December 06, 2018, 02:35:48 pm »
It got a 1 star rating in EuroNCAP.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/Jeep/Wrangler/34192

Did not expect it to do that bad.  :mask:

Interesting reddit post about it: "NCAP tests of Jimny vs. Wrangler: same issues, very different scores."

The gist: actual test results weren't all that bad for the Wrangler, but...

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Although dummy readings indicated good protection of the knees and femurs of the driver and passenger dummy, structures in the dashboard were thought to present a risk to occupants of different sizes and to those sitting in different positions, and protection of this body area was rated as marginal.

So... even though the actual test result was decent EuroNCAP assumed that the dashboard design posed a "risk" and they downgraded the results. They also just didn't perform a crash test into a pole at all, and gave the Wrangler zero for that, skewing the results even further downward.


I have literally never looked at a crash test rating when I was looking into cars to purchase.

Nor I. As I have said before, scores on a crash test will tell you how well the car performs within the narrow parameters of that particular test. In generally it's likely to correlate with actual real-life "safety", but not necessarily so. The difference between "1-star", "4-star" is a matter of millimetres.


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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #144 on: December 09, 2018, 04:01:32 pm »
The difference between "1-star", "4-star" is a matter of millimetres.

and headrest adjusting shenanigans.
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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #145 on: December 10, 2018, 04:40:57 pm »
The key difference is after a 5 minute road test, any potential buyer knows a wrangler is a complete utter POS on the pavement... and will still buy it just because of image.

An alfa buyer will be so in love after a 5 minute road test that they no longer care.

We get it. Anything that goes offroad deeply offends you because it isn't a sports car. lol

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« Reply #146 on: December 11, 2018, 02:42:42 am »
These things were all over the place when I was in Hawaii.  I came very close to renting one when I realized I've still never driven one.  I mean, I can only say they're bad on-road because I've been told they're bad on-road.
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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #147 on: December 11, 2018, 09:40:00 am »
These things were all over the place when I was in Hawaii.  I came very close to renting one when I realized I've still never driven one.  I mean, I can only say they're bad on-road because I've been told they're bad on-road.

It's bad if you have the wrong expectations.  Like if I were to take an Aston off road and be like "omg it's bad off road."  Well, no shit.  A Wrangler is a solid-axle, purpose-built off road machine. Why people act surprised when it doesn't drive like a Ford Escape is beyond me.
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Re: Jeep Wrangler JL
« Reply #148 on: December 11, 2018, 09:58:25 am »
It's bad if you have the wrong expectations.  Like if I were to take an Aston off road and be like "omg it's bad off road."  Well, no shit.  A Wrangler is a solid-axle, purpose-built off road machine. Why people act surprised when it doesn't drive like a Ford Escape is beyond me.

They're great for Utah roads. Damn construction workers can't build a parking lot entrance to save their life. They always have 2" curbs and steep inclines. Perfect for a Jeep, hell for compact cars with low profile tires.
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« Reply #149 on: December 11, 2018, 12:04:11 pm »
There's a reason why you hear that they're bad on-road. They're slow, loud, the interior is made of interlocked Rubbermaid totes, and they get 16mpg for no apparent reason.

The throttle does that truck thing where 50% of its travel yields louder fuel guzzling sounds but no actual acceleration.

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