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R1234yf. What is it?
« on: May 20, 2019, 05:07:46 pm »
It's an incredibly expensive new refrigerant for mobile (car) air conditioners.
It requires an incredibly expensive, time consuming as hell A/C machine to service.
Thank you EPA, ya bunch a fucktards.

Hey buddy, how much just to recharge my car's A/C?
Well sir, today, just for you, only $700 bucks! What a deal!

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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2019, 05:12:09 pm »
It's bullshit. I will never own a car with it. You have to buy new gauges and a new machine. It's expensive as fuck. It does nothing better than R134 other than putting money in someone's pocket.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2019, 05:19:31 pm »
So what's the going rate for a case of R12 these days?
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2019, 05:21:16 pm »
So what's the going rate for a case of R12 these days?

Who cares? It's super easy to convert R12 to R134a.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2019, 06:57:21 pm »
It's a new refrigerant that's about 350 times not as bad a greenhouse gas as R-134a. It's replacing R-134a for the same kind of reason as 134a replaced R-12.

Cost will go down as R-134a production ends and is switched over to the new stuff. This happened when the switch was made from R-12 to R-134a; no one should be surprised the brand new stuff is still expensive.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2019, 07:19:01 pm »
It's a new refrigerant that's about 350 times not as bad a greenhouse gas as R-134a. It's replacing R-134a for the same kind of reason as 134a replaced R-12.

Cost will go down as R-134a production ends and is switched over to the new stuff. This happened when the switch was made from R-12 to R-134a; no one should be surprised the brand new stuff is still expensive.

It's a scam. Global warming is caused by the Sun, not air conditioning.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2019, 07:41:24 pm »
It's a scam. Global warming is caused by the Sun, not air conditioning.

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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2019, 09:52:34 pm »
The problem with R1234yf is that trifluoroacetic acid is created when it burns. The car company which is treating that threat with the most ambition is Mercedes, which sprays the engine bay with argon gas in the event of a crash with R1234yf equipped vehicles. The car industry is already starting the switch away from R12344yf to CO2 air conditioning.

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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2019, 12:06:25 am »
No, the "problem" is that when burned it makes hydrogen fluoride, which can quite literally melt your eyeballs.

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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2019, 01:57:24 pm »
You are right it converts to trifluoroacetic acid, and releases hydrogen fluoride.

Regarding the melting of the face. One of Germany's largest car magazine did an experiment with a pig head, right when R1234yf came out, which lead to a public outcry. Probably one of the reasons the german car industry is hesitant about the stuff.

Pig head before:

https://www.autobild.de/bilder/fotos-gefaehrliches-kaeltemittel-r1234yf-1893081.html#bild2

and after 10 seconds of contact with hydrogen fluoride:

https://www.autobild.de/bilder/fotos-gefaehrliches-kaeltemittel-r1234yf-1893081.html#bild4
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2019, 02:03:05 pm »
Today I got to play with some R12345yiff. $50 per 10 oz can, so ot cost $100 to charge a 2015 Chrysler 200, which is a total piece of shit car.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2019, 04:02:28 pm »
Today I got to play with some R12345yiff. $50 per 10 oz can, so ot cost $100 to charge a 2015 Chrysler 200, which is a total piece of shit car.

Why did people buy that car?
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2019, 04:35:55 pm »
Why did people buy that car?

Because they love the Multiair engine?  :pee:
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2019, 08:30:36 pm »
I thought the Chrysler 200 looked pretty good. :huh:

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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2019, 08:31:35 pm »
I thought the Chrysler 200 looked pretty good. :huh:

It looks okay, but try working on one. Blech.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2019, 08:40:47 pm »
Isn't that the case with pretty much every new-ish car?

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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2019, 09:00:30 pm »
Isn't that the case with pretty much every new-ish car?

My Sonic is pretty easy to work on.


From the 200 rental I had awhile back, everything seemed to be pretty sandwiched in there. I can only imagine V6 cars being awful to work on.

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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2019, 09:22:52 pm »
My Sonic is pretty easy to work on.


From the 200 rental I had awhile back, everything seemed to be pretty sandwiched in there. I can only imagine V6 cars being awful to work on.

The packaging is nothing unusual, but the quality is garbage. They are throw away cars.
For example, nearly every 3.6 Pentastar we get in has a coolant and/or oil leak from the oil cooler. The thing is under the lower intake manifold, buried in between the cylinder heads, and is surrounded by heat. It's made of fucking plastic, and of course it get brittle and cracks. The things are such shit that new oil coolers from Mopar have expiration dates on the boxes. They aren't even shelf stable.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2019, 09:30:31 pm »
My friend's dad is convinced that both his 2nd and 3rd gen Sebring convertibles were/are well-built, high quality vehicles. He loves them. It's the weirdest thing.

I know from personal experience that the 2nd gen turned into an old POS like they all do because he gave it to my friend to drive. But he blames it all on my friend, not Chrysler.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2019, 09:51:33 pm »
My friend's dad is convinced that both his 2nd and 3rd gen Sebring convertibles were/are well-built, high quality vehicles. He loves them. It's the weirdest thing.

I know from personal experience that the 2nd gen turned into an old POS like they all do because he gave it to my friend to drive. But he blames it all on my friend, not Chrysler.

I'd rather have a first gen Sebring convertible.



At least it looks good while being a piece of shit.
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Re: R1234yf. What is it?
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2019, 08:06:22 pm »
Checkmate.   :internetry:
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