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Offline Morris Minor

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Best of the cheapest?
« on: June 29, 2020, 02:38:34 pm »
Your mission:
Buy a new car.
It has to be the cheapest in the manufacturer's' lineup - poverty trim: no frippery, no packages, no options.
It has to be available in the USA

The goal:
Assess from the experience which of the manufacturers gives the most inexpensive goodness rather than the most cynical cheapness.

I'm still looking but they seem to center around $17,000 - and are hard to actually find on a dealer lot.
And my thing about no frippery: a manual transmission say Yaris might save $1,000 but on resale you are restricted to the minuscule pool of people who can operate a manual. So I'm going to say okay on an auto... but indicate if there's a cheaper manual
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2020, 10:32:35 am »
Honda Fit. $16190 with manual transmission. $16990 with CVT. 

I drove my Dad's Ford Ecosport which for 2020 is the cheapest car in their line-up ($19995). It drove well and I liked how the rear seat passengers were slightly elevated which gives them a better view out.  I didn't take it on the highway though and I think there's better stuff out there which is cheaper than an Ecosport like a Kia Soul.  Ford no longer sells cars in the US in the $17000 price range. 

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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2020, 10:35:14 am »
Chevy Sparks are $14,395, currently $1k off for a total of $13,395 with manual transmission.

I think Fits are probably nicer and a bit larger, but $3k nicer? :hmm:
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 11:10:39 am »
A bare bones Ferrari 488 GTB is only $252,800. I think I can live without any option packages.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2020, 01:40:14 pm »
Chevy Sparks are $14,395, currently $1k off for a total of $13,395 with manual transmission.

I think Fits are probably nicer and a bit larger, but $3k nicer? :hmm:

Yes, it is. :lol:  Have you been in a Spark?
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2020, 01:45:07 pm »
Hmm - least expensive Ford is the Ecosport - $20k - but that, IMO, falls into the cynical & cheap category.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2020, 02:22:52 pm »
Yes, it is. :lol:  Have you been in a Spark?

Nope.

Hmm - least expensive Ford is the Ecosport - $20k - but that, IMO, falls into the cynical & cheap category.

Yeah, $20k seems like a lot for a lifted econocar. Should be $15k.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2020, 03:35:27 pm »
Fits are a killer deal for the space, efficiency, and features you get for the money.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2020, 03:58:50 pm »
Honda Fit. $16190 with manual transmission. $16990 with CVT. 

I drove my Dad's Ford Ecosport which for 2020 is the cheapest car in their line-up ($19995). It drove well and I liked how the rear seat passengers were slightly elevated which gives them a better view out.  I didn't take it on the highway though and I think there's better stuff out there which is cheaper than an Ecosport like a Kia Soul.  Ford no longer sells cars in the US in the $17000 price range. 

I was not impressed with the EcoSport.  It was plainly obvious it was built for developing countries.  It honestly felt cheaper than the Fiesta, yet starts several thousand more than the Fiesta used to start at.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2020, 04:53:48 pm »
Kia Soul? ($17,500 [+$1,500 for the CVT])
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2020, 04:56:00 pm »
I was not impressed with the EcoSport.  It was plainly obvious it was built for developing countries.  It honestly felt cheaper than the Fiesta, yet starts several thousand more than the Fiesta used to start at.

Yeah my Dad (who only buys/leases from GM, Ford, or potentially FCA [his first years in the US in the late 60s were spent in Ann Arbor, Michigan]) wanted a cheap lease.  He and my Mom didnít like the Chevy Trax because the cheap lease model didnít come with a center armrest, so I told him to look at the Ford Ecosport.  Him and my Mom liked it when they test drove it.  I kept telling him to lease the New Ford Escape instead but he didnít want to fork over the extra cash.  Now that heís had it for a while, he thinks itís just OK.  He hates the sideways opening hatch/trunk and thinks the trunk space with the rear seats up is too small.  He also thinks the gas mileage is bad for a small car.  I told him the small trunk is what you get for wanting the cheapest lease and gas is cheap right now  :lol:  I drove it quite a bit when I was at my folks house a few weeks ago but not on the highway.  Locally I felt it had plenty of power, tracked straight, and had good room for a small car.  But yeah, it should be about 2 to 3 grand cheaper which is a lot. 

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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2020, 04:59:43 pm »
Kia Soul? ($17,500 [+$1,500 for the CVT])

According to your original criteria though, you canít pick the Soul.  Thereís a cheaper new Kia available in the US.  (Kia Rio). 

The Kia Soul is a real nice car though and a good deal. 

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2020, 05:11:53 pm »
According to your original criteria though, you canít pick the Soul.  Thereís a cheaper new Kia available in the US.  (Kia Rio). 

The Kia Soul is a real nice car though and a good deal. 
You're right - The base Rio is 16k and includes a CVT. And a ton standard features.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2020, 05:58:27 pm »
You're right - The base Rio is 16k and includes a CVT. And a ton standard features.

Base Rio has a CVT? Base Accent has a 6 speed manual. Accent wins.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2020, 08:35:34 am »
I was shocked to find that the X1 is actually cheaper than the 2 series and comes pretty well equipped at $35,200.

The Jetta S is much closer to this $17,000 number, but does seem a bit cynical. But then again, anything with cloth seats makes me feel like itís a prison.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2020, 08:54:15 am »
I would openly welcome the return of high quality cloth seats.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2020, 09:39:21 am »
I would openly welcome the return of high quality cloth seats.
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 09:54:35 am »
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2020, 09:59:55 am »
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2020, 10:14:37 am »
I would openly welcome the return of high quality cloth seats.

VWís fabric seats (especially their plaid colored ones) are really good. 

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2020, 10:37:36 am »
Velour.
I would suspect that most modern fabrics used for car seats are synthetic.  Mohair, as commonly used in older vehicles, is a cloth made from the Angora goat hair which I recall as having a texture that is slightly bristly but also soft, a bit of a contradiction.  Very comfortable to sit on.
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2020, 12:27:50 pm »
I would openly welcome the return of high quality cloth seats.
We had a Prius with fabric seats. They were more comfortable than leather. It's one area where poverty spec beats rich-bastard spec IMHO.
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Re: Best of the cheapest?
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2020, 08:20:52 pm »
A Nissan Versa S with a 5 speed is only 14,700.

Cruise Control. Bluetooth. Aux jack. Power Doors/Windows. Google Assistant. Lane departure warning. Emergency braking.

I mean, if you needed something bare bones?
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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2020, 08:51:23 pm »
I would suspect that most modern fabrics used for car seats are synthetic.  Mohair, as commonly used in older vehicles, is a cloth made from the Angora goat hair which I recall as having a texture that is slightly bristly but also soft, a bit of a contradiction.  Very comfortable to sit on.

But it's not velour.  One of my friends in high school had an early 80s Olds Cutlass with velour seats that could have doubled as Barcaloungers.  Soooo comfy.  I understand why so many drivers of these cars died peacefully in their sleep while behind the wheel.
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2020, 09:24:10 pm »
I would openly welcome the return of high quality cloth seats.

I donít even know what that means. Like silk?
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« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2020, 04:56:45 am »
I donít even know what that means. Like silk?

Like alcantara, or high quality tweed. Materials that feel nice and wear nice and breathe better than leather.
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« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2020, 08:22:47 am »
I want Corinthian cloth.
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« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2020, 03:39:29 pm »
Like alcantara, or high quality tweed. Materials that feel nice and wear nice and breathe better than leather.
But with leather you can punch little holes in it and pipe in cooled air (provided you buy the $2,500 Executive Package)
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« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2020, 03:44:06 pm »
But with leather you can punch little holes in it and pipe in cooled air (provided you buy the $2,500 Executive Package)

You can pump cool air through cloth without needing to poke holes in it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2020, 04:38:56 am »
According to your original criteria though, you canít pick the Soul.  Thereís a cheaper new Kia available in the US.  (Kia Rio). 

The Kia Soul is a real nice car though and a good deal. 
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