Honda Civic Wagon?

[Yawn]

I was just on the freeway the other day and saw a civic from the front but then it was a wagon.. 4 door.. Had Michigan plates and driver side was left side... Is the Stream or Jazz coming here?

[the Teuton]

And it wasn't the civic wagon from 1988-91?  Maybe it was a test car or something to see how it handled American driving conditions.

[nickdrinkwater]

Sounds like it could have been the Stream.  It's been out in Europe for a while now but AFAIK it's been a sales flop.  I think new version is out for the JDM.

[TheIntrepid]

I remember my family having a Civic wagon from the late 80s. It had a semi-automatic transmission IIRC.

[Eye of the Tiger]

i can't imagine what it would look like. somone photoshop a civic wagon.

[Yawn]

So I went to Honda of Japan and it is the stream

http://www.honda.co.jp/STREAM/

[SVT_Power]

I remember my family having a Civic wagon from the late 80s. It had a semi-automatic transmission IIRC.

wtf is a semi automatic tranny? 

[Raza]

Clutchless manual perhaps?  Like Saab's system?

[Eye of the Tiger]

Clutchless manual perhaps?  Like Saab's system?

Saab now? I thoguht it was just VW and a bunch of other insanely expensive cars that I prefer not to waste my time remembering the names of.

[Danish]

So I went to Honda of Japan and it is the stream

http://www.honda.co.jp/STREAM/

I'm usually big on wagons but that I don't like. Looks bloated and looks like a van

[Secret Chimp]

Clutchless manual perhaps?  Like Saab's system?

No, the Hondamatic was just an automatic you had to shift yourself (same mechanicals as an automatic only it can't do shit for shifting without you telling it when)

[SVT666]

So I went to Honda of Japan and it is the stream

http://www.honda.co.jp/STREAM/

I kinda like that.

[Yawn]

It will then have to be the Euro Spec model since the steering was on the left side..

[VTEC_Inside]

FWIW, the Stream is SUPPOSED to be comming here.

[Raza]

No, the Hondamatic was just an automatic you had to shift yourself (same mechanicals as an automatic only it can't do shit for shifting without you telling it when)

That's kind of pointless, isn't it?  A manumatic that doesn't shift on its own? 

[Champ]

Saab Sensonic was the term, came out in Europe in the early 90's, only one here in America that I drove last weekend at the Saab Owners Convention.? It's very weird.

It's a true manual, but no clutch.? Just the two pedals.? Take your foot off the gas between shifts.

Off Wiki:

The 'Sensonic' clutch variant, (available on the Turbo models only) provided a manual gear lever as in a standard manual-transmission car, but omitted the clutch pedal in favor of electronics which could control the clutch faster than the average driver.

When a driver started to move the gear shift knob/gear selector lever, a computer-controlled actuator operated the clutch. With the car in gear but stationary, the clutch was released only when gas was applied. If neither brake nor gas pedal was depressed, a warning tone sounded and a message flashed on the on-board display, and if no action was taken after 7 seconds, the engine was shut off.

It's really odd sitting in a running car, shifting through the gears without pushing a clutch down.

[Submariner]

Saab Sensonic was the term, came out in Europe in the early 90's, only one here in America that I drove last weekend at the Saab Owners Convention.  It's very weird.

It's a true manual, but no clutch.  Just the two pedals.  Take your foot off the gas between shifts.

Off Wiki:
It's really odd sitting in a running car, shifting through the gears without pushing a clutch down.

I can't see it being hugely different from shifting a manumatic.

[heelntoe]

Saab Sensonic was the term, came out in Europe in the early 90's, only one here in America that I drove last weekend at the Saab Owners Convention.  It's very weird.

It's a true manual, but no clutch.  Just the two pedals.  Take your foot off the gas between shifts.

Off Wiki:
It's really odd sitting in a running car, shifting through the gears without pushing a clutch down.

will it stall if you go in a gear too high at low rpms?

[TheIntrepid]

I was just on the freeway the other day and saw a civic from the front but then it was a wagon.. 4 door.. Had Michigan plates and driver side was left side... Is the Stream or Jazz coming here?

For what it's worth, the Jazz is already here, sold as the Fit. I think the Stream's pretty cool, though.

[Champ]

will it stall if you go in a gear too high at low rpms?

No, it was quite smart for what it was.

I can't see it being hugely different from shifting a manumatic.

Not 100% sure what manumatic is, but there is actually a 5-speed shifter - which might be the difference.  Instead of just hitting a paddle to go up, up, up, down, down, down.

[Raza]

No, it was quite smart for what it was.
Not 100% sure what manumatic is, but there is actually a 5-speed shifter - which might be the difference.  Instead of just hitting a paddle to go up, up, up, down, down, down.

Manumatic is a manually shifted torque converter automatic, like my Passat's Tiptronic transmission.  Manumatic is  a general term, whereas Tiptronic is a copyrighted term.

[USA_Idol]

I'm not sure what "late 1980's" Civic Wagon would have a "semi-automatic" transmission.? From what I could find, using the 1988 Civic Wagon as an example:

Civic FWD Wagon -- 5-speed manual or traditional 4-speed automatic
Civic Real Time 4WD Wagon -- 6-speed manual only

Powered by a new (at that time) 1.6-liter SOHC 4-cylinder with 105 horsepower

96.4" wheelbase, 161.6" overall length, 57.9" height, 66.1" width and 2130 lbs in FWD (2366 lbs w/4WD).

Taken from Consumer Guide data.?

[Champ]

Manumatic is a manually shifted torque converter automatic, like my Passat's Tiptronic transmission. Manumatic is a general term, whereas Tiptronic is a copyrighted term.

Ok so Sensonic isn't like that at all, it's actually a manual transmission.  With a computer to physically push a clutch for you.

[The Pirate]

I'm not sure what "late 1980's" Civic Wagon would have a "semi-automatic" transmission.  From what I could find, using the 1988 Civic Wagon as an example:

Civic FWD Wagon -- 5-speed manual or traditional 4-speed automatic
Civic Real Time 4WD Wagon -- 6-speed manual only

Powered by a new (at that time) 1.6-liter SOHC 4-cylinder with 105 horsepower

96.4" wheelbase, 161.6" overall length, 57.9" height, 66.1" width and 2130 lbs in FWD (2366 lbs w/4WD).

Taken from Consumer Guide data. 

It was called the Hondamatic, and available in the late 1970's and early 1980's.  It had a torque converter, so no clutch was necessary, but it wouldn't shift on it's own.  You needed to physically move a lever.

[Raza]

Jazz is a cooler name than Fit.

[Soup DeVille]

I'm not sure what "late 1980's" Civic Wagon would have a "semi-automatic" transmission.? From what I could find, using the 1988 Civic Wagon as an example:

Civic FWD Wagon -- 5-speed manual or traditional 4-speed automatic
Civic Real Time 4WD Wagon -- 6-speed manual only

Powered by a new (at that time) 1.6-liter SOHC 4-cylinder with 105 horsepower

96.4" wheelbase, 161.6" overall length, 57.9" height, 66.1" width and 2130 lbs in FWD (2366 lbs w/4WD).

Taken from Consumer Guide data.?

I'd bet you'd argue with me if i told you similar clutchless manuals were available on Volkswagens in the '70s too...

Or that there used to be such things as full automatics with clutches.

[2o6]

Was it this?




BTW, the Proton Savvy has an AMT, an Automatcially shifted Manual tranny.

[nickdrinkwater]

That's not a wagon....

[USA_Idol]

Isn't that the Civic hatchback?  We never got that in the US, at least not in 5-door form.

[nickdrinkwater]

Yep, that's the British built 5dr hatch.