Dad's Distributor ..

[nickdrinkwater]

Corruption 

[Soup DeVille]

Push button starts are still stupid, really.  I don't understand why they are there unless totally keyless.

The original old school reason was that the ignition switch itself didn't have enough ampacity to power the starter motor directly, so a relay was used.

Using a seperate starter button eliminated the need for a relay.

It's also easier to restart the car after you stall it with a starter button than with a key.

[ifcar]

Push button starts are still stupid, really.  I don't understand why they are there unless totally keyless.

I've heard that they're a boon for arthritic drivers who can't comfortably turn a key. Other than that, all I can see is the novelty factor.

Edit: except for the above, which I read after posting.

[Raza]

Here's the answer: No.

Whoever is complaining about it is being a moron. Plain and simple. There is nothing hard about pushing in a key and pushing a button. It takes me no longer to start the BMW than it takes me to start the Audi. Whoever is complaining is just being stupid.

If it takes you no longer, then it's being stupid.  That means it's not easier, it's not quicker, and it's just a stupid gimmick that likely has a greater chance of failing. 

You tell me which is a simpler movement:
Movement 1:
Enter key.
Twist.

Movement 2:
Enter key.
Remove hand.
Click starter button.

[Raza]

I agree that it isn't necessary, but "natural movement"? Please.

You're an idiot.

[Secret Chimp]

I think a long time ago, we tended to twist fruit off trees rather than poke them.

[CALL_911]

You're an idiot.

That sure proved your point! Good work!

[Soup DeVille]

If it takes you no longer, then it's being stupid.  That means it's not easier, it's not quicker, and it's just a stupid gimmick that likely has a greater chance of failing. 

You tell me which is a simpler movement:
Movement 1:
Enter key.
Twist.

Movement 2:
Enter key.
Remove hand.
Click starter button.

Let's say you stalled your car, and you have a normal, column mounted key starter, versus a starter button.

The button many times will be easier to reach on the fly,allowing you to restart easier than leaning forward, reaching around the steering wheel, and twisting the key.

But really, in most situations, it's such an incredibly minor thing that I wonder why anybody treis to make it into an issue.

[TheIntrepid]

Optional.

Standard on all Altima models (4-cyl and V6) in Canada.


Also, I'd rather have to only do one thing to start the car. In the BMW, I had to put the thing in, then push the button. That's a load of shit.

In the Camry and Altima, I get in, push the buton, away I go. That's fine. In my Intrepid, I get in, turn the key, and away I go. Again, I'd rather have this than the BMW's system.

[TheIntrepid]

I've heard that they're a boon for arthritic drivers who can't comfortably turn a key. Other than that, all I can see is the novelty factor.

Edit: except for the above, which I read after posting.

That's a load of shit. If you're too arthritic to turn a key (they don't require much effort), you probably shouldn't be driving. My dad is arthritic in his wrists and shoulders, but it doesn't affect his ability to drive. Of course, driving a manual car is very, very painful for him because of the repeated shifter movements, but he can still turn a key perfectly. Doesn't hurt him at all.

[Soup DeVille]

Also, I'd rather have to only do one thing to start the car. In the BMW, I had to put the thing in, then push the button. That's a load of shit.

Oh, the humanity!!!!!!!

[Cookie Monster]

I want a car with switches for the fuel pump and ignition and a push-button starter.

+1



And all you guys complaining about this (Raza and Trep mainly) are lazier than I thought.

[dazzleman]

When I drove the 5er, I couldn't get the key out immediately.  If you have no idea what you're doing, it can be not-fun.

I got the remote keyless entry option, so I never have to put my key in the ignition.  As long as it's in my pocket, the car will start when I push the button.

A few times, I have put the key in.  Trust me, it's not difficult.  If I can figure it out, anybody can.  To take it out, you just push it in, and that disengages it.

[TheIntrepid]

+1



And all you guys complaining about this (Raza and Trep mainly) are lazier than I thought.

It's not about laziness, it's about convenience. If it doesn't make my life any easier, why stray from the conventional key?

[TheIntrepid]

I got the remote keyless entry option, so I never have to put my key in the ignition.  As long as it's in my pocket, the car will start when I push the button.

A few times, I have put the key in.  Trust me, it's not difficult.  If I can figure it out, anybody can.  To take it out, you just push it in, and that disengages it.

Comfort Access.

Yes well I don't see the point of going through the trouble to "disengage it" even after you've already turned off the engine with the butotn.

[Cookie Monster]

It's not about laziness, it's about convenience. If it doesn't make my life any easier, why stray from the conventional key?

You move your finger an inch to push the button! OH NOES THE INCONVENIENCE! WE WILL ALL DIE!

[Cookie Monster]

That's a load of shit. If you're too arthritic to turn a key (they don't require much effort), you probably shouldn't be driving. My dad is arthritic in his wrists and shoulders, but it doesn't affect his ability to drive. Of course, driving a manual car is very, very painful for him because of the repeated shifter movements, but he can still turn a key perfectly. Doesn't hurt him at all.

Just  because your dad can do it, it doesn't apply to everyone.

[TheIntrepid]

You move your finger an inch to push the button! OH NOES THE INCONVENIENCE! WE WILL ALL DIE!

Just  because your dad can do it, it doesn't apply to everyone.

Your arguments mean nothing. Seriously, you don't know anything and you're pulling all this out of your ass, and making a fool of yourself.

[Cookie Monster]

Comfort Access.

Yes well I don't see the point of going through the trouble to "disengage it" even after you've already turned off the engine with the butotn.

WTF is this "trouble" nonsense? Is it so hard to push a key in and take it out that it'll kill you?


Oh, right, this is all coming from a guy who's arm gets sore from shifting a manual transmission.

[Cookie Monster]

Your arguments mean nothing. Seriously, you don't know anything and you're pulling all this out of your ass, and making a fool of yourself.

Yeah, I'm making a fool out of myself? Have you even read your posts?

[TheIntrepid]

Yeah, I'm making a fool out of myself? Have you even read your posts?

If I were the only one who felt this way, I'd consider my opinion wrong and shut up. IIRC Raza's one of the others who agrees, so I'll stand my ground on this.

WTF is this "trouble" nonsense? Is it so hard to push a key in and take it out that it'll kill you?


Oh, right, this is all coming from a guy who's arm gets sore from shifting a manual transmission.

Yeah childish remarks. That's fun! It's not "trouble" per se, it's having to do something that you  shouldn't HAVE to do.

[Cookie Monster]

If I were the only one who felt this way, I'd consider my opinion wrong and shut up. IIRC Raza's one of the others who agrees, so I'll stand my ground on this.

Yeah childish remarks. That's fun! It's not "trouble" per se, it's having to do something that you  shouldn't HAVE to do.

Would that actually turn you off from a BMW?

And after having owned a BMW for a while, it'd become second nature. You wouldn't even think about it anymore.

I don't want to know how you would've acted before the days of keyless entry. "I have to insert a key and twist it too? Oh spare me!"

[JYODER240]

It's not about laziness, it's about convenience. If it doesn't make my life any easier, why stray from the conventional key?

I think we've agreed that it's not the best setup, but complaining about something so minor is a little pathetic. Do you complaing about drinking fountains that aren't automatic?

[CJ]

It's not that hard, people!  Seriously!  If you think about the benefits of not having a conventional key, ie. battery dying and getting jabbed in the leg with the key, then it works.  By putting the key in it charges the battery.  It's also a rectangle, so it won't jab your leg when in certain position.  It could also be seen as an anti-theft devide.

[Champ]

I want a car with switches for the fuel pump and ignition and a push-button starter.

I did this in my '91 900 since the ignition cylinder froze.

1 switch for radio, 1 switch for HVAC, ECU, fuel pump.

1 starter button.





The only part that sucks is I go to a car wash where you get out and they drive it into the wash for you after vacuuming it.  Well half the time they stall (minimum wage workers...) it and come looking for me for the key (ignition cylinder is still stock looking, just non-functional).

[Cookie Monster]

I'd prefer just a metal key, with no computer chip on it and no key fob, but complaining about inserting a key, then pressing a button is stupid.

[Champ]

If you think about the benefits of not having a conventional key, ie. battery dying.  By putting the key in it charges the battery.

How much money do you think BMW spent engineering a rechargeable battery system?  How much money does it cost over the life of a car to replace the hearing aid battery once every 2-3 years?

[CJ]

How much money do you think BMW spent engineering a rechargeable battery system?  How much money does it cost over the life of a car to replace the hearing aid battery once every 2-3 years?

It was just a thought.

[CALL_911]

That's a load of shit. If you're too arthritic to turn a key (they don't require much effort), you probably shouldn't be driving. My dad is arthritic in his wrists and shoulders, but it doesn't affect his ability to drive. Of course, driving a manual car is very, very painful for him because of the repeated shifter movements, but he can still turn a key perfectly. Doesn't hurt him at all.

So is your argument about the BMW system. Is it really that much work for your lazy asses to push 2 things located like 2 inches from each other?

[CALL_911]

Your arguments mean nothing. Seriously, you don't know anything and you're pulling all this out of your ass, and making a fool of yourself.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
 

POST OF THE DAY!!!!!

This, my friends is a perfect example of a pot calling the kettle black.