Porsche working on Golf-based model for 2012

[the Teuton]

Emissions, emissions, emissions.

I like the air-cooled cars more too, but it's been 10 years since the last 993 had left the building, and the water-cooled cars have proven to be excellent, as well.

I guess I'm just a stubborn purist.  I really like the 997, but I will never want one more than a 993 Turbo.

[CALL_911]

I guess I'm just a stubborn purist.  I really like the 997, but I will never want one more than a 993 Turbo.

You're no more a purist than I. I agree, I will always want a 993 Turbo more than a 997.

However, I want a '73 Carrera RS 2.7 over both. And a 993 GT2 over both as well, even though it was a homologation car.

[565]

Emissions, emissions, emissions.

I like the air-cooled cars more too, but it's been 10 years since the last 993 had left the building, and the water-cooled cars have proven to be excellent, as well.

God I keep trying to squash the bug next to your avatar, it's driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cookie Monster]

You're no more a purist than I. I agree, I will always want a 993 Turbo more than a 997.

However, I want a '73 Carrera RS 2.7 over both. And a 993 GT2 over both as well, even though it was a homologation car.

I'll take a 997 GT2, thx.

The ability to dust off Carrera GT's = awesome.

[the Teuton]

You're no more a purist than I. I agree, I will always want a 993 Turbo more than a 997.

However, I want a '73 Carrera RS 2.7 over both. And a 993 GT2 over both as well, even though it was a homologation car.

The only 911 that was meant to be water-cooled was the 959, and Porsche had the sense to make sure it was never called a 911.  The should have done the same after 1997.

[Cookie Monster]

The only 911 that was meant to be water-cooled was the 959, and Porsche had the sense to make sure it was never called a 911.  The should have done the same after 1997.

Um, why?

[Lebowski]

The only 911 that was meant to be water-cooled was the 959, and Porsche had the sense to make sure it was never called a 911.  The should have done the same after 1997.

[the Teuton]

Um, why?

I just don't really believe that anything past the 993 is really a 911.  Great cars, yes, 911s, no.

[Vinsanity]

I'm excited about it. An affordable, practicle daily driver, with Porsche handling, steering. and brakes. What's not to love?

The photochop does look pretty nice, to be honest, but I'd rather take an Audi TT instead, if this thing's going to be priced starting at $40k

[CALL_911]

The only 911 that was meant to be water-cooled was the 959, and Porsche had the sense to make sure it was never called a 911.  The should have done the same after 1997.

Here's the problem with that logic. The 959 was a super-911, and Porsche executed it perfectly. Emissions laws choked the air-cooled cars, so they knew that water-cooling was a good alternative. I'd rather have the car survive.

And I don't consider any rear-engined Porsche made past 1989 a 911, because it wouldn't be a 911. IMO, a 964 is a 964, and a 993 is a 993.

[Sigma Projects]

this was circulating last year, but different chop. I feel if they make this, I can't take Porsche as a seriously as they were. I mean they'll still be bad ass, but their image will forever change in my eyes just like when they came out with the SUV and I'm sure a lot of others too. And it'll change just like all other brands that diversify. There's no doubt if Porsche made a family sedan it would sell like hot cakes, just like this hatch back will sell like crazy.

[AltinD]

^^ In case you don't know the Panamera is commeing ... and it has 4 doors.

[Raza]

[brokenrecord]
Well, if they took the Golf platform, and pulled a French conversion on it to make it mid-engined, this could be a brand new 914 with great performance that wouldn't encroach on the Boxster (i.e., lower powered engines, more of a no frills car) and still keep the bloodline pure.
[/brokenrecord]

[The Pirate]

Emissions, emissions, emissions.

I like the air-cooled cars more too, but it's been 10 years since the last 993 had left the building, and the water-cooled cars have proven to be excellent, as well.

Yeah, I'll give the new ones credit.  I do love the 993 (and the 964 to a lesser extent) though.  I don't really care for the 996.  But, to be fair, I've never driven any of them, I'm sure I'd change my tune after a proper test drive of a 996.

[Madman]

Yeah, 'cause we all know VW-based Porsches are pieces of crap!





Cheers,
Madman of the People

[akuma_supreme]

Yeah, 'cause we all know VW-based Porsches are pieces of crap!





Cheers,
Madman of the People

First the important part-  where did you find that emoticon?  Is this some sort of special super-secret emoticon that can only be selected by those in the know (kind of like ordering a hamburger "animal style" at In-n-Out?)

Second of all, wouldn't that Porsche still be Porsche-based, and the first-generation VWs technically be Porsche-based as well?  Ferry Porsche did design both platforms after all.

[Raza]

Click "[more]" by the emoticons. 

[akuma_supreme]

Click "[more]" by the emoticons. 

Wow.  There's even a vomit icon! 

Much oblige!

[Madman]

First the important part-  where did you find that emoticon?  Is this some sort of special super-secret emoticon that can only be selected by those in the know (kind of like ordering a hamburger "animal style" at In-n-Out?)

I'll let you in on the secret only if you tell me what the hell "animal style" means.

EDIT: Crap, Raza gave it away!

Second of all, wouldn't that Porsche still be Porsche-based, and the first-generation VWs technically be Porsche-based as well?  Ferry Porsche did design both platforms after all.

Ferdinand Porsche (Sr.) designed the Beetle.  Ferdinand (Ferry) Porsche (Jr.) designed the 356.  Nevertheless, point taken.

One could also argue that since old Ferdinand's grandson, Ferdinand Piech, is Volkswagen Group chairman and almost certainly had a hand in the development of the Golf then it (the Golf) can also claim a small (okay, VERY small) amount of Porsche DNA.

It's interesting to note that this isn't the first time Porsche has contemplated building a Golf-based car.  Back in the early 1990's, when the Corrado was getting rave reviews, Porsche seriously considered making an entry level sports car based on the Corrado which, in turn, was based on the MK II Golf.

Perhaps Porsche could adapt the Golf platform to a mid-engine placement?  This is how Bertone did it with the X-1/9. They connected a front-drive engine/transaxle package to the rear wheels in a Fiat 128 platform.  I think this should placate the "purists" who don't realise that were it not for Volkswagen, Porsche as we know it today wouldn't exist.


Cheers,
Madman of the People

[Raza]

Perhaps Porsche could adapt the Golf platform to a mid-engine placement?  This is how Bertone did it with the X-1/9. They connected a front-drive engine/transaxle package to the rear wheels in a Fiat 128 platform.  I think this should placate the "purists" who don't realise that were it not for Volkswagen, Porsche as we know it today wouldn't exist.


Cheers,
Madman of the People

[brokenrecord]
Well, if they took the Golf platform, and pulled a French conversion on it to make it mid-engined, this could be a brand new 914 with great performance that wouldn't encroach on the Boxster (i.e., lower powered engines, more of a no frills car) and still keep the bloodline pure.
[/brokenrecord]

Good idea! 

[2o6]

I added a few more items to your list.   

Fiat didn't fail, nor did they rebadge.

[2o6]

Call me crazy, but I'd like a Petite Roadster, or four-seater (In spirit, new 911) based off the VW UP! (In spirit, new Bug).

[Payman]

Call me crazy, but I'd like a Petite Roadster, or four-seater (In spirit, new 911) based off the VW UP! (In spirit, new Bug).

Then I'm crazy too, because I like the roadster/2 seat coupe idea. Kinda like what the old Karmann Ghia was to the Beetle.

[Vinsanity]

Then I'm crazy too, because I like the roadster/2 seat coupe idea. Kinda like what the old Karmann Ghia was to the Beetle.

I thought the Audi TT was already the spiritual successor to the Karmann Ghia

[Payman]

I thought the Audi TT was already the spiritual successor to the Karmann Ghia

You're right, but a rear engined economy roadster/coupe in the 20K range would be a better homage to he original idea.

[Vinsanity]

Ah, I completely forgot that the VW Up! had a rear engine drivetrain Any word on the development status?

[akuma_supreme]

Fiat didn't fail, nor did they rebadge.

Are you at all familiar with the entire Lancia lineup from the last 20 years or so  (BTW-  Lancia is no longer sold in RHD markets due largely to their inherent incompetence/irrelevance of product)? 

In addition, I urge you to research the  FIAT Croma/Lancia Thema/Alfa 164/SAAB 9000 abomination.  What the hell were the thinking?  "Wait!  Let's sell two sedans, plus  a hatchback of essentially the same car!  Plus, let's let our partner offer both versions albeit better executed and with better engines!"

The 164 was the Pontiac Bonneville of Europe, and the Thelema was the Buick LeSabre (only more suckier).  The Croma was the answer to the question  that no one asked- a full-sized hatchback that looked like a sedan, and underpowered to boot!  Although FIAT has gotten better as of late (albeit it continues to lose market share in its utmost important home  market), they faced some truly dark days in the 1980s and 1990s.

[omicron]

Are you at all familiar with the entire Lancia lineup from the last 20 years or so  (BTW-  Lancia is no longer sold in RHD markets due largely to their inherent incompetence/irrelevance of product)? 

In addition, I urge you to research the  FIAT Croma/Lancia Thema/Alfa 164/SAAB 9000 abomination.  What the hell were the thinking?  "Wait!  Let's sell two sedans, plus  a hatchback of essentially the same car!  Plus, let's let our partner offer both versions albeit better executed and with better engines!"

The 164 was the Pontiac Bonneville of Europe, and the Thelema was the Buick LeSabre (only more suckier).  The Croma was the answer to the question  that no one asked- a full-sized hatchback that looked like a sedan, and underpowered to boot!  Although FIAT has gotten better as of late (albeit it continues to lose market share in its utmost important home  market), they faced some truly dark days in the 1980s and 1990s.

In January 1989, a Fiat Croma cost $39,995; a Saab 9000 GLE $55,125; an Alfa Romeo 164 $62,000; and a 9000 CD an astonishing $85,000. I for one cannot understand how such value pricing did not entice the Australian buyer into purchasing these cars at fantastic rates.

[akuma_supreme]

In January 1989, a Fiat Croma cost $39,995; a Saab 9000 GLE $55,125; an Alfa Romeo 164 $62,000; and a 9000 CD an astonishing $85,000. I for one cannot understand how such value pricing did not entice the Australian buyer into purchasing these cars at fantastic rates.

They were Europe's answer to the GM B-Bodies- only up to three times as costly, and with more brittle construction.

[2o6]

They were Europe's answer to the GM B-Bodies- only up to three times as costly, and with more brittle construction.

Since when is the B-Body "Brittle"? It's superbly tough and reliable.....