Yeah, you knew i had to go there sooner or later....

[Soup DeVille]

Assuming a legal to own for civilians rifle in the US outside of California.

[Raza]

M14.

[Soup DeVille]

I'm leaning that way. I currently have a Romak-3 (which I've mistakenly referred to as a Dragunov-clone before), and a Mosin-Nagant. 7.62x54R ammo is just too expensive anymore, and I think I'm going to sell both of these and buy a "serious" rifle. I'm leaning towards either the FAL or the M14.

[Submariner]

no love for the HK416 or the G36C?

For 5.56, I'd go with an M4 (bushmaster).  For 7.62, I'd go with an M14.

In an ideal would get a G36C and an Hk 417, but I have a feeling neither of those are civilian available. 

In Massachusetts, I would get arrested for anything more powerful than a pea shooter.

[Tave]

I voted M14 because I know nothing about the rest.

[Soup DeVille]

no love for the HK416 or the G36C?

For 5.56, I'd go with an M4 (bushmaster).  For 7.62, I'd go with an M14.

In an ideal would get a G36C and an Hk 417, but I have a feeling neither of those are civilian available. 

In Massachusetts, I would get arrested for anything more powerful than a pea shooter.

Both of those are select-fire full autos. While technically not illegal, they are NFA34 firearms, which require you to get BATF approval and to pay a $200 tax before pruchase. I've no need or desire for a full auto rifle.

A civilian version of the HK416 is supposed to be available- the MR223, but I've never seen one for sale.

I've tried to limit the choices to those for which a decent supply chain exists in the US market. For H&Ks, that's the 91.

[Soup DeVille]

I voted M14 because I know nothing about the rest.

The M14 is probably the best amongst this group as far as accuracy goes. Its also a well proven and well loved gun, and is  also reasonably priced to boot. Mags are expensive though- $50-$70 bucks, and they're all used or military surplus at this point.

[TBR]

I thought you had to be approved by BATF for all firearms?

[Soup DeVille]

I thought you had to be approved by BATF for all firearms?

No. You have to fill out your form 4473 for all firearms, and you have to do the NICBS background check for handguns, but unless you're a convicted felon or have a history of domestic violence, you're not disallowed. In most states, you can walk into a gun store or show and buy any long gun you see and walk out with it.

To buy a full-auto, you have to specifically ask for permission by writing a letter of intent to the BATF, paying your tax and waiting until you get approved befotre ever taking possession; andthat usually means waiting six weeks to six months.

[TBR]

That sounds like a PIA. I am not really sure why a regular Joe would need a full-auto anyway.

[Raza]

I voted M14 because I know nothing about the rest.

AR15 is a single fire civilian use M16, as I recall.  And you probably know what an AK is.

[Soup DeVille]

That sounds like a PIA. I am not really sure why a regular Joe would need a full-auto anyway.

Need doesn't really have anything to do with it- Its hard to imagine a scenario where even a police officer would need a full auto.

But, yeah, I don't see a need for one.

[Rich]

M-16?

or should I just vote for the AR-15?

[Soup DeVille]

M-16?

or should I just vote for the AR-15?

Yeah, that would be the civilian equivalent.

[565]

Where is the "Post pics of your arensal" thread, as it seems we are headed there.

Maybe Ifcar can make a "What we shoot at carspin" thread.

[Soup DeVille]

Where is the "Post pics of your arensal" thread, as it seems we are headed there.

Maybe Ifcar can make a "What we shoot at carspin" thread.

An arsenal is a place where weapons are made.

An armory is a place where they are stored.

Usually, I have a total "no grammar/vocab corrections" policy, but that one annoys me because of the way the media abuses the term "arsenal."

[565]

An arsenal is a place where weapons are made.

An armory is a place where they are stored.

Usually, I have a total "no grammar/vocab corrections" policy, but that one annoys me because of the way the media abuses the term "arsenal."

Where is the "Post up pics of your armory" thread?

I didn't even spell Arsenal correctly anyway.

[Soup DeVille]

 

[Raza]

With a wood finish, of course.

[Soup DeVille]

With a wood finish, of course.

Can't see the pic, is it something I should add to my list?

[Raza]

Can't see the pic, is it something I should add to my list?

Only if you love the A-Team.

Ruger Mini-14, folding stock.

[Soup DeVille]

Added.

[Raza]

Added.

Crap, I didn't think about it until after I voted.  Now I want to vote for it!

[565]

I kind of want a AR-15, but I wouldn't know what to do with one if I got it.

I am very partial to semi auto shotguns though.

[Soup DeVille]

Is that an older model benelli?

Shotguns are cool. My step father was an avid bird hunter, and I learned to shoot with a pump Ithaca. I like range shooting now though, and rarely hunt.

Besides, I've seen inertia mechanism semi-auto shotguns fail to feed too many times to prefer one over a pump. And, there is no sound more intimidating than hearing a 12 gauge rack one in.

[Raza]

I'm not entirely sure what model that is, but my M1014 has too small a capacity.  I love being able to hit someone twice quickly, but when engaging multiple tangos, I find myself high and dry too quickly.*






*COD4

[565]

I'm not entirely sure what model that is, but my M1014 has too small a capacity.  I love being able to hit someone twice quickly, but when engaging multiple tangos, I find myself high and dry too quickly.*
*COD4

It's actually a Benelli M4 super 90, which is designated as the M1014 by the US military.

*Well actually there is just one difference, the removable choke in the civilian model.

I think the M1014 only holds 4 rounds in the game right?

In real life with the full length magazine tube (or +2 magazine extension) it holds 7 shells in the mag, one in the chamber and one in the receiver, for a total of 9 shots. 

Benelli sells them to civilians with a shortened mag tube (damn Benelli USA), and those lame AWB laws in CT make it illegal to have both 5+ shots and a pistol grip.  You can still get 7 shells in the gun, 1 in the chamber and one ghosted in the receiver.

The price for the collapsible stock (which Benelli stopped selling to civilians) is ridiculous on the market, and I heard it isn't as comfortable anyway.

[Raza]

Yeah, it's only got four rounds in the game.  The Winchester 1200 has 7 rounds chambered. 

[Soup DeVille]

If the collapsible stock shortens the gun to less than 26 inches overall, it would be illegal anyways.

Oh, and I looked it up and apparently the M4 is a gas operated semi auto, which may solve the misfeed problems I've seen in the past.

[the Teuton]

I don't believe in guns.  When our new president is elected, I think we should abolish the second amendment.  It has no real place in a morally decent society such as ours.