German T?V reliability report

[Galaxy]

The organisation that does vehicle inspections for the german government has released its latest data.  From best to worst.

Average mileage of the vehicles. Not used in calculation (in thousand kilometers).

2/3 year old cars.

1.  Toyota Corolla Verso (47)
2. Mazda 2 (35)
3. Porsche 911 (35)/ Ford Fusion (37) (tie)
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114. Peugeot 407 (57)
115. Chrysler PT Cruiser (46)/Seat Arosa (35) (tie)
117. KIA Carnival (62)

4/5 year old cars

1.  Porsche Boxster (54)/ 911 (57) (tie)
3. Subaru Forester (70)
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107. Chrysler PT Cruiser (76)
108. Renault Laguna (85)
109. KIA Carnival (93)

6/7 year old cars.

1. Porsche 911 (70)
2. Porsche Boxster (67)
3. Subaru Forester (95)
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92. Chrysler PT Cruiser (88)
93. Renault Laguna (94)
94. KIA Carnival (132)

8/9 year old cars.

1. Porsche Boxster (77)
2. Porsche 911 (84)
3. Toyota RAV 4 (100)
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85. Seat Felicia (95)
86. Ford KA (62)
87. Alfa Romeo 145/146 (116)

10/11 year old cars.

1. Porsche 911 (88)
2. Toyota RAV 4 (122)
3. Toyota Starlet (108)
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66. Alfa Romeo 145/146 (132)
67. Renault Twingo (114)
68. Ford KA (61)



Of course Porsche's good result have to do with most owners keeping their cars in flawless conditions. Still the info is good when buying a used car.

[AutobahnSHO]

Go Subaru!!   :-)

[saxonyron]

Damn, I gotta get me a Kia Carnival!    I thought Kia was pulling their reliability out of the dumpster a little, but I guess not.  Now where did Audi shake out?  A few slots ahead of those bums from Bayern with the blue and white propeller on the hood, right? 

[MX793]

Are these numbers based only on age, or on the problems per mile?  I only ask because I doubt the typical Porsche is driven nearly as many annual miles as a regular commuter vehicle like a Fiesta, Mondeo, Golf, etc...

[ChrisV]

Hmm. Reliability has been the PT's strong suit here in the states. Mine was typical among the various owner's groups I was involved with, and had zero problems in teh 5 years and 70k miles I had it. it had no squeaks and ratles when I bought it new, and it had none when I sold it at 70k miles. It needed zero repairs in that time.

Were most of the PTs surveyed using European sourced diesel engines?

[93JC]

Could be based on how much repairs cost too, which would probably put the PT Cruiser near the bottom due to difficulties in finding replacement parts.

[Galaxy]

Now where did Audi shake out?  A few slots ahead of those bums from Bayern with the blue and white propeller on the hood, right? 

Audi did do a bit better then BMW. The A8 is the 5th most reliable car in the 4/5 year old category, the A4 is tenth and 9th in the 6/7 year old category. The BMW Z3 is 5th in the 10/11 year old group.

[Galaxy]

Hmm. Reliability has been the PT's strong suit here in the states. Mine was typical among the various owner's groups I was involved with, and had zero problems in teh 5 years and 70k miles I had it. it had no squeaks and ratles when I bought it new, and it had none when I sold it at 70k miles. It needed zero repairs in that time.

Were most of the PTs surveyed using European sourced diesel engines?

I am not sure how many of the Pts where diesel, however I believe that even some of the gassers had different engines then those sold in the USA. For example I don't think that USA Pts where ever sold with the 1.6 engine from the Mini Cooper.

[Galaxy]

Could be based on how much repairs cost too, which would probably put the PT Cruiser near the bottom due to difficulties in finding replacement parts.

Cost is not an consideration.

[Galaxy]

Are these numbers based only on age, or on the problems per mile?  I only ask because I doubt the typical Porsche is driven nearly as many annual miles as a regular commuter vehicle like a Fiesta, Mondeo, Golf, etc...

They only used problems per age in the calculation, however they did post the average number of kms of the vehicles. I will add that information.