% grade. What does it really mean?

Started by giant_mtb, May 20, 2009, 12:28:36 PM

giant_mtb



Nothing major, just wondering why they decided to use a percentage system instead of, well, angles for the denotation of hill angles.  I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that they took some maximum angle and divided it into 100 pieces, giving the percentile system.  For example, the "max" angle may be vertical, 90 degrees (100%).  A 7 degree decline would be a ~7.8% grade.

Is that how it works?  If it is, what angle are they dividing into pieces?  Why didn't they just use degrees?
:huh: :nutty: :huh:

sportyaccordy

I thought it was just amount of height per unit length of width traveled in percentage form. Meaning a 45 degree angle would be 100% grade, etc... it's probably not that though.

giant_mtb

Perhaps. :huh: Makes more sense than what I thought it was. :mask:

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Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 20, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
I thought it was just amount of height per unit length of width traveled in percentage form. Meaning a 45 degree angle would be 100% grade, etc... it's probably not that though.

that's what i thought it was  :mask:
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C'mon peoples. This is easy.

Grade is Slope. Slope is rise over run. Percent Grade = Slope * 100

Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 20, 2009, 12:39:20 PM
I thought it was just amount of height per unit length of width traveled in percentage form. Meaning a 45 degree angle would be 100% grade, etc... it's probably not that though.

Exactly.
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GoCougs

Yes - Sporty has it correct - 8% grade = 8 ft vertical change for 100 ft of horizontal travel.

To really impress the girls, divide % grade by 100 to get the tangent of the angle, and then take arc tangent to get the angle itself; arc tan (.08) = 5.08 degrees.

sportyaccordy

Quote from: GoCougs on May 20, 2009, 01:04:15 PM
Yes - Sporty has it correct - 8% grade = 8 ft vertical change for 100 ft of horizontal travel.

To really impress the girls, divide % grade by 100 to get the tangent of the angle, and then take arc tangent to get the angle itself; arc tan (.08) = 5.08 degrees.
Totally unnecessary

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Quote from: GoCougs on May 20, 2009, 01:04:15 PM
Yes - Sporty has it correct - 8% grade = 8 ft vertical change for 100 ft of horizontal travel.

To really impress the girls, divide % grade by 100 to get the tangent of the angle, and then take arc tangent to get the angle itself; arc tan (.08) = 5.08 degrees.

Do you carry a scientific calculator to impress the gals? :lol:

bing_oh

Quote from: R-inge on May 20, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
Do you carry a scientific calculator to impress the gals? :lol:

They do so love to fondle his pocket protector.

S204STi

Quote from: bing_oh on May 20, 2009, 02:55:36 PM
They do so love to fondle his pocket protector.

:lol:

Seriously though, I'm just jealous of his math skills.  I am worthless with math any more complex than the basics like adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing.  Geometry got be bad back then, and it still gets me now.

MX793

Quote from: R-inge on May 20, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
Do you carry a scientific calculator to impress the gals? :lol:

Scientific calculator?  You're not going to impress anybody with one of those trinkets.  Now a graphing calculator, that'll get you some respect.
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Quote from: MX793 on May 20, 2009, 04:31:50 PM
Scientific calculator?  You're not going to impress anybody with one of those trinkets.  Now a graphing calculator, that'll get you some respect.

:lol:

GoCougs

Quote from: bing_oh on May 20, 2009, 02:55:36 PM
They do so love to fondle his pocket protector.

You mean, fondle The Canon:



And no, Sporty, it wasn't unnecessary; "grade" is the tangent of the angle, a function without which one cannot find the angle, which is exactly what the OP was trying to do.

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Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 20, 2009, 07:12:52 PM
Cougs I was just joking.

Okay, I just thought maybe you were still hating me...

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Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 20, 2009, 07:11:28 PM
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Quote from: GoCougs on May 20, 2009, 08:59:33 PM
Okay, I just thought maybe you were still hating me...
That hasn't changed.

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Quote from: NACar on May 21, 2009, 03:31:22 PM
I have The Pirate's TI-89. :praise:
But I don't know how to use half of the shit :frown:

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Quote from: BimmerM3 on May 21, 2009, 03:28:19 PM
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Quote from: R-inge on May 20, 2009, 01:59:03 PM
Do you carry a scientific calculator to impress the gals? :lol:

To really impress the girls, you tell them the tangent or slope of the incline is equal to the coefficient of friction needed to stay on the incline  :winkguy:
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bing_oh

Quote from: R-inge on May 20, 2009, 04:29:54 PM
:lol:

Seriously though, I'm just jealous of his math skills.  I am worthless with math any more complex than the basics like adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing.  Geometry got be bad back then, and it still gets me now.

I'm right there with ya. My sister's a high school math tecaher, teaching things like advanced algebra and trig. Me, I can't figure out the tip at a restaurant without the tip calculator on my cell phone. :huh:

93JC

Quote from: r0tor on May 22, 2009, 06:19:04 AM
To really impress the girls, you tell them the tangent or slope of the incline is equal to the coefficient of friction needed to stay on the incline  :winkguy:

Have you tried the old "I wish I were a derivative so I could lie tangent to your curves" pickup line?

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Quote from: bing_oh on May 22, 2009, 07:29:42 AM
I'm right there with ya. My sister's a high school math tecaher, teaching things like advanced algebra and trig. Me, I can't figure out the tip at a restaurant without the tip calculator on my cell phone. :huh:

I just take 10% and add a bit to it.