2009 Audi A4 2.0T vs. 2005 Honda Accord sedan V6

[GoCougs]

New Audi went for a pass after about a half mile of extreme tailgating which I gladly let him have as I that is no time to mess around. The road dead ended onto an old section of freeway (i.e., wide, multi-lane, and straight) after about another half mile. At this point he was in front at the stop sign, and being the red-blooded American that I am, I thought I'd give it a go as it was very early in the morning, as about a safe a road you can get for such things, there was no traffic in sight, and he was just being a punk.

We left at about the same time from the stop sign with him in front; I expected to at best keep him from gaining ground but to my mild surprise I pulled ~2 car lengths coming just about even with his front door by the time we hit extra legal speeds, and had to slow down for an intersection. He turned right, and slowed way down to put much effort into yelling profanities and gesturing wildly as I kept going straight. Meh - I'd be upset too had I just dropped ~$40k on a import sedan that was getting pulled by a previous generation plain-jane Accord with 100k miles that was worth at best $21k when new.

Honda 1, Audi 0.

[Submariner]

New Audi went for a pass after about a half mile of extreme tailgating which I gladly let him have as I that is no time to mess around. The road dead ended onto an old section of freeway (i.e., wide, multi-lane, and straight) after about another half mile. At this point he was in front at the stop sign, and being the red-blooded American that I am, I thought I'd give it a go as it was very early in the morning, as about a safe a road you can get for such things, there was no traffic in sight, and he was just being a punk.

We left at about the same time from the stop sign with him in front; I expected to at best keep him from gaining ground but to my mild surprise I pulled ~2 car lengths coming just about even with his front door by the time we hit extra legal speeds, and had to slow down for an intersection. He turned right, and slowed way down to put much effort into yelling profanities and gesturing wildly as I kept going straight. Meh - I'd be upset too had I just dropped ~$40k on a import sedan that was getting pulled by a previous generation plain-jane Accord with 100k miles that was worth at best $21k when new.

Honda 1, Audi 0.

Not to rain on your parade, but a lot of that could have been due to poor driver skills on his part (especially if he was driving a stick)  Of course, I don't know 0-60, 0-100, etc numbers off hand, so the Accord may well in fact be faster.

[CALL_911]

This sounds like a Trep story.

Either that, or Sub's right. Your Accord doesn't have anything on a new A4.

[GoCougs]

Per a bit of Googling, the A4 2.0T is indeed the slightly slower car; 0-60 in the mid/upper 6 sec range, which is indeed a touch slower than a sixth or seventh generation Accord V6. I always thought the 2.0T had like 260 hp but it's only 200 - 211 depending on the year. It's also the heavier car by about ~250 lbs.

He could have botched shifting but I saw no tell-tale sign of it (nose dive) and given the as-tested stats and weight/power ratio of each vehicle, it's about where things should have landed; the Accord slowly walking.

Do not misunderestimate the Accord.

[Cookie Monster]

This sounds like a Trep story.

Either that, or Sub's right. Your Accord doesn't have anything on a new A4.

Man, you're a troll.

[cawimmer430]

Man! For the amount of money you pay for an Audi A4. 2.0T you'd expect it to beat a Honda Accord with a V6!!! Hell, a Prius is faster than an A4 2.0T!!! Plus what the fuck is a 4-cylinder doing in an Audi!? I thought Audi's were luxury cars (I mean they are sooo overpriced too!). For that amount of money I expect a V8 in that thing.

Hell, if I bought a big and heavy Mercedes GL320 CDI I expect it to be faster to 60 and the 1/4 mile than a V6 Accord or Camry!!!

German cars = FAIL 

[CALL_911]

Man! For the amount of money you pay for an Audi A4. 2.0T you'd expect it to beat a Honda Accord with a V6!!! Hell, a Prius is faster than an A4 2.0T!!! Plus what the fuck is a 4-cylinder doing in an Audi!? I thought Audi's were luxury cars (I mean they are sooo overpriced too!). For that amount of money I expect a V8 in that thing.

Hell, if I bought a big and heavy Mercedes GL320 CDI I expect it to be faster to 60 and the 1/4 mile than a V6 Accord or Camry!!!

German cars = FAIL 

That's not his point, dude.

[CALL_911]

Man, you're a troll.

HUGE troll. Oh man, one time I lived under a bridge. Gooooooood times.

Try it sometime! 

[TBR]

I am not really sure what the point of this thread is, yes the Accord V6 is faster than the Audi A4 2.0t, anyone who can read a spec sheet knows this. Of course the A4 is still the better car.

[CALL_911]

I don't know, the new 2.0T is a beast. It makes ~260 lbs/ft, which, I think, is more than the Accord V6 does. The Accord, IIRC, is good for like a 7 second 0-60 which is hardly slow. I seem to recall C&D getting a mid to low 6 second sprint out of their A4 2.0T.

An Accord V6 would probably outsprint a B7 A4 2.0T. Then again, the B7's good for about a 7-second flat 0-60.

[cawimmer430]

That's not his point, dude.

I was trying to put myself into the mindset of a typical American luxury shopper. 

[CALL_911]

I was trying to put myself into the mindset of a typical American luxury shopper. 

Wimmer, I don't mean to be a dick to you, but you don't think the average European shopper is any less, well, retarded?

Personally, if like you say, the average European is a badge whore and will buy a car with a "prestigious" badge for much more money with less equipment, etc., I think that makes them even worse than the average American consumer. Think about it, the American consumer wants a car that would give you more stuff for your dollar (not saying that's right, hell, my parents bought a 200 hp A4 2.0T when they could've bought a 300+ hp G35), regardless of the brand. Being a brand whore makes MUCH less sense than trying to get the most stuff for your money.

[GoCougs]

Oh, Jeez, not torque = power...

C&D tested an '06 Accord EX V6 A/T 0-60 in 6.6 sec, 0-100 in 16.6 sec, and a 5-60 of 7.1 sec. (BTW, I've got the rare LX V6 which is a bit lighter than the EX.)

C&D tested an '09 A4 2.0 A/T Quattro 0-60 in 6.7 sec, 0-100 in 17.8 sec, and a 5-60 of 7.8 sec.

[CALL_911]

Oh, Jeez, not torque = power...

C&D tested an '06 Accord EX V6 A/T 0-60 in 6.6 sec, 0-100 in 16.6 sec, and a 5-60 of 7.1 sec. (BTW, I've got the rare LX V6 which is a bit lighter than the EX.)

C&D tested an '09 A4 2.0 A/T Quattro 0-60 in 6.7 sec, 0-100 in 17.8 sec, and a 5-60 of 7.8 sec.

Huh, I thought it was quicker than that. I guess I was wrong.

Cougs, now that I see it, good thing you didn't buy the new Accord. That thing's uuuuuugggglllly.

[GoCougs]

Huh, I thought it was quicker than that. I guess I was wrong.

Cougs, now that I see it, good thing you didn't buy the new Accord. That thing's uuuuuugggglllly.

It's likely a bit quicker w/MT and no Quattro, however.

Had to have a new car in '05, so no option to wait for the '08; but yeah, I'm not in love with its styling by any means.

[Pommes-T]

Seriously guys: Who gives a shit?

[CALL_911]

It's likely a bit quicker w/MT and no Quattro, however.

Had to have a new car in '05, so no option to wait for the '08; but yeah, I'm not in love with its styling by any means.

Good thing, I hate the '08. The coupe is acceptable, but the sedan, oh god.

I couldn't ever fathom a FWD Audi. I know they're economical and whatnot, but for me, I'd need to have AWD in my Audi. It's the raison d'etre for Audi, IMO.

Seriously guys: Who gives a shit?

That's another valid point.

[Pommes-T]

That's another valid point.

Thank you! 

[GoCougs]

Seriously guys: Who gives a shit?

IMO it is the pinnacle of badge snobbery; a ~$40k "performance" sedan that isn't as quick as an older Japanese sedan half a step removed from an econo car that costs half as much and has a bunch of miles on it, and this guy was plenty upset about it (and probably why I'll refrain from such things in the future).

[CALL_911]

IMO it is the pinnacle of badge snobbery; a ~$40k "performance" sedan that isn't as quick as an older Japanese sedan half a step removed from an econo car that costs half as much and has a bunch of miles on it?

Luckily, I can add some insight into this. My parents had a TL (which is basically your car with some extraneous fancy shit), and an A4 replaced it. The TL would spank the A4 in a straight line. The TL had a LOT of power. However, the A4's much more fun to drive and as my dad says, in twisty backroads, the A4 would show the TL its taillights in no time. The A4 may be slower, but it's better to drive. I think that matters a lot more than how fast it can go in a straight line.

[the Teuton]

I agree with Cougs, but I do have to most this before I can start an intelligent rant:

[GoCougs]

Luckily, I can add some insight into this. My parents had a TL (which is basically your car with some extraneous fancy shit), and an A4 replaced it. The TL would spank the A4 in a straight line. The TL had a LOT of power. However, the A4's much more fun to drive and as my dad says, in twisty backroads, the A4 would show the TL its taillights in no time. The A4 may be slower, but it's better to drive. I think that matters a lot more than how fast it can go in a straight line.

Sure I agree, but for paying almost twice as much I think one should get a bit more scoot.

[CALL_911]

Sure I agree, but for paying almost twice as much I think one should get a bit more scoot.

Maybe.

I love the 2.0T's midrange, it might be a little coarse for the A4, but really, its midrange is phenomenal. I guess its off-the-line acceleration could be better.

[r0tor]

so the highest level accord beats the base model A4 in a straightline... yippee frikkin skippy

[CALL_911]

so the highest level accord beats the base model A4 in a straightline... yippee frikkin skippy

Seriously guys: Who gives a shit?

Pommes beat you to it.

[Eye of the Tiger]

so the highest level accord beats the base model A4 in a straightline... yippee frikkin skippy

the accord v6 beats most things in a straight line, even swifts and rx-8's

[GoCougs]

so the highest level accord beats the base model A4 in a straightline... yippee frikkin skippy

I have an LX (cloth interior, no sunroof, no nav, etc.) for which I paid $21k new off the lot in 2005.

The '09 A4 in that C&D test was $47k.

Again, the point being, a $47k "performance" sedan that can't keep up with a car half its price is the pinnacle of badge snobbery.

[S204STi]

Do not misunderestimate the Accord.

Again, the point being, a $47k "performance" sedan that can't keep up with a car half its price is the pinnacle of badge snobbery.

That's why I love my car.  When it first came out the WRX could only be compared to the Audi S4 and BMW 330xi, and it could show its taillights to the Audi if not the Beemer.

I "killed" an 09 Murano last week, and he even had the roll on me.  More proof that my car makes a bit more than 224hp...

[CALL_911]

I have an LX (cloth interior, no sunroof, no nav, etc.) for which I paid $21k new off the lot in 2005.

The '09 A4 in that C&D test was $47k.

Again, the point being, a $47k "performance" sedan that can't keep up with a car half its price is the pinnacle of badge snobbery.

Most A4s aren't anywhere near $47k.

And like I said, no offense, but it drives much better than your Accord. It's definitely a car befitting the higher price tag. $47k's pushing it, though.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Fact: Swift could beat a 2.oT