Infiniti M!

[TBR]

The GS is a very nice car.  No way it's bottom of the class IMO.

What's worse?

[TBR]

Doing some very quick research indicates that AWD V6 to AWD V6, the Infiniti costs pretty much the same and the A6 3.0T costs about $2000 more than the Lexus.

The Infiniti remains the best value in class since it is a better car than the GS for the same price.

[CJ]

I'd much rather have the GS over the Infiniti, which is ugly.  I'd take a pre-update A6 over all of them.

[Catman]

I'd much rather have the GS over the Infiniti, which is ugly.  I'd take a pre-update A6 over all of them.

Something is wrong with you.

[Colonel Cadillac]

I'd much rather have the GS over the Infiniti, which is ugly.  I'd take a pre-update A6 over all of them.

That sucks. The Lexus drives significantly worse than the Infiniti. The post-update A6 is better than all three that you mentioned.

[CJ]

I don't like the interior on the Infiniti either.  It's an all-around bad looking vehicle, in my opinion.  The Lexus has always looked good to me.  The interior is pretty nice as well.  I also don't like the updated A6's tail-end. 

[Catman]

I don't like the interior on the Infiniti either.  It's an all-around bad looking vehicle, in my opinion.  The Lexus has always looked good to me.  The interior is pretty nice as well.  I also don't like the updated A6's tail-end. 

[Colonel Cadillac]

I don't like the interior on the Infiniti either.  It's an all-around bad looking vehicle, in my opinion.  The Lexus has always looked good to me.  The interior is pretty nice as well.  I also don't like the updated A6's tail-end. 

So in other words, you are a woman?

[sportyaccordy]

Something is wrong with you.

I would rather have an auto G35 coupe than a GTO... it doesn't matter how good a car is if it's dirt ugly. Just ask Acura.

[CJ]

So in other words, you are a woman?

No. 

[cawimmer430]

Outgoing model was outdated performance-wise. Assuming the pricing doesn't change much the new car will be much more competitive.

And I agree that it looks bloated. But it is still a pretty sharp design. Plus to me the interior is win. For cars like this, arguably the interior is more important than the exterior (which is why I could prob see myself getting a last gen TL Type-S over an E60 530i or W211 E350).

IMO Lexus better shape up, the weak ass GS doesn't stand a chance.

I probably will never see this car in real life. Infiniti "has been sold over here" for quite some time now and I've never seen any. Oh wait, that's because when an Infiniti press release talks about "sales in Europe" they mean Russia!  

[Raza]

Reviews I've read of the GS say it falls behind in both ride and handling, and I can say it very obviously lacks interior space for its size.

Where would you say it makes up for that?

I've driven a GS and say it doesn't fail in ride, but I didn't have the chance to test the handling really.  I haven't looked at numbers, but if it's low on interior space then I didn't notice it.  It fit four adults comfortably. 

[Raza]

I would rather have an auto G35 coupe than a GTO... it doesn't matter how good a car is if it's dirt ugly. Just ask Acura.

But the GTO looks so much better than the G35 coupe.

[Raza]

The Infiniti remains the best value in class since it is a better car than the GS for the same price.

That sucks. The Lexus drives significantly worse than the Infiniti. The post-update A6 is better than all three that you mentioned.

Source?

[TBR]

Source?

All the comparison tests that placed the Infiniti in front of the Lexus

[ifcar]

I've driven a GS and say it doesn't fail in ride, but I didn't have the chance to test the handling really.  I haven't looked at numbers, but if it's low on interior space then I didn't notice it.  It fit four adults comfortably. 

Doesn't.

[Raza]

All the comparison tests that placed the Infiniti in front of the Lexus

Show me the tests. 

[Raza]

Doesn't.

That's funny, because all four adults in the car were comfortable. 

[ifcar]

That's funny, because all four adults in the car were comfortable.  

I guess they have low standards. Comfortable compared to what? Any other sedan that costs $45,000, or even the average compact car? I'd think not.

[Raza]

I guess they have low standards. Comfortable compared to what? Any other sedan that costs $45,000, or even the average compact car? I'd think not.

It was me, my brother, my father, and the salesman.  50% of them have no idea what an average compact car is like.  And I saw four adults fit comfortably in my car as well, which is a compact, so that should be a pretty good benchmark.  How much less room does it have than an A6 or Infiniti M?  I remember hearing that the M was cramped. 

[TBR]

Show me the tests. 

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/05q2/2005_acura_rl_vs._2005_audi_a6_2005_bmw_530i_and_five_more_luxury_sedans-comparison_tests

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/06q4/2007_bmw_550i_vs._infiniti_m45_lexus_gs450h_m-b_e550-comparison_tests

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=2221&page_number=1

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0505_japanese_car_comparison/index.html

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106555

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=104808

So Lexus gets 1 of 6. Impressive.

[ifcar]

It was me, my brother, my father, and the salesman.  50% of them have no idea what an average compact car is like.  And I saw four adults fit comfortably in my car as well, which is a compact, so that should be a pretty good benchmark.  How much less room does it have than an A6 or Infiniti M?  I remember hearing that the M was cramped. 

Salesmen are paid to act comfortable in anything they're trying to sell, and that sounds like it was a fairly short drive. The A6 and M are much roomier.

[sportyaccordy]

FWIW,

The GS placed 3rd in this comparo link

[ifcar]

FWIW,

The GS placed 3rd in this comparo link

But behind the M.

[TBR]

FWIW,

The GS placed 3rd in this comparo link

Ahead of 4 cars that have either been significantly redone or completely redesigned.

[Raza]

Salesmen are paid to act comfortable in anything they're trying to sell, and that sounds like it was a fairly short drive. The A6 and M are much roomier.

It wasn't a short drive, it just didn't involve twisty roads.  And are you implying that I, my brother, and my father judge our own comfort levels based on how comfortable another person looks? 

[Raza]

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/05q2/2005_acura_rl_vs._2005_audi_a6_2005_bmw_530i_and_five_more_luxury_sedans-comparison_tests

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/06q4/2007_bmw_550i_vs._infiniti_m45_lexus_gs450h_m-b_e550-comparison_tests

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=2221&page_number=1

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0505_japanese_car_comparison/index.html

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106555

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=104808

So Lexus gets 1 of 6. Impressive.

Thank you.  I'll read over those when I get a chance and come back to you with my response. 

[Colonel Cadillac]

Source?

One of my friends has a GS430 that I've driven a lot, and of course I've driven my father's M a lot. The M drives much better than the GS. The steering is much better (the GS has really vague and slow reacting steering), it handles better, and it's more predictable since I have an idea of what's going on with the wheels. The post-facelift A6 is awesome, I'm just assuming it's better 

The GS looks a lot better (I think the Infiniti is a bit ugly), but whenever I drive the GS I can't get over the fact that my friend got it. His family owns a Toyota dealer and a Nissan dealer, so he could choose between Infiniti and Lexus and he went with the Lexus since it has higher snob appeal (I'm guessing, he would totally do that).

[sportyaccordy]

It wasn't a short drive, it just didn't involve twisty roads.  And are you implying that I, my brother, and my father judge our own comfort levels based on how comfortable another person looks? 

You yourself implied that in the post ifcar quoted.

I doubt the GS is "uncomfortable". The one before it was plenty comfy for 4 fully grown adults, and I can't imagine the one that followed being uncomfortable.

[Raza]

You yourself implied that in the post ifcar quoted.

I doubt the GS is "uncomfortable". The one before it was plenty comfy for 4 fully grown adults, and I can't imagine the one that followed being uncomfortable.

I said that all four of us were comfortable.  We didn't sit, look at the salesman, and then decided we were comfortable because he looked comfortable.  That's ridiculous.