ChangAn tried to move upscale

Started by 2o6, August 29, 2009, 03:55:10 PM

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2o6

August 29, 2009, 03:55:10 PM
It really does show how quickly the Chinese are progressing.








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August 29, 2009, 04:29:04 PM
I wish we had a the smiley that pukes.

giant_mtb

#2
August 29, 2009, 04:56:52 PM
Who cares what the outside looks like?  AFAIK, their underpinnings are still shit.

:huh:

the Teuton

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August 29, 2009, 05:26:47 PM
Altima?  Insignia?
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2o6

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August 29, 2009, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: the Teuton on August 29, 2009, 05:26:47 PM
Altima?  Insignia?


I see a little bit, but most cars today look similar.


I think Chang'An should be applauded for making a nice design. I really like this one:


Madman

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August 29, 2009, 10:54:34 PM


Mercedes Benz CLS?


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giant_mtb

#6
August 29, 2009, 11:00:49 PM
Definitely, Madman. :facepalm:  Fuckin' Chinese.

Laconian

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August 29, 2009, 11:46:23 PM Last Edit: August 29, 2009, 11:47:59 PM by Laconian
Quote from: 2o6 on August 29, 2009, 03:55:10 PM
It really does show how quickly the Chinese are progressing.
The renderings are pretty, albeit derivative. The disconnect between these renderings and the dreck that Changan actually produces is enormous.  They don't have the manufacturing capability or the market for any of these cars.
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August 30, 2009, 04:57:09 AM
They won't stand still. Hyundai used to produce laughable shitty cars, now they are world class. As the United States continues to drive corporations out, China will learn, tool up & get its engineering right. My guess is it will take five years before their car makers hit their stride.
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2o6

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August 30, 2009, 09:18:26 AM
Quote from: Laconian on August 29, 2009, 11:46:23 PM
The renderings are pretty, albeit derivative. The disconnect between these renderings and the dreck that Changan actually produces is enormous.  They don't have the manufacturing capability or the market for any of these cars.


Says who? Every Chinese automaker HAS to partner with another automaker, sort of like a mentor. The Foreign automaker gets cheap(er) labor and entry into a huge market, and the Chinese automaker learns the know-how and other methods to make a decent product.

BTW, ChangAn is one of china's "Big Five" and has partnerships with Suzuki and Ford.

Quote from: Madman on August 29, 2009, 10:54:34 PM


Mercedes Benz CLS?


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Now you're being stupid.

Madman

#10
August 30, 2009, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: 2o6 on August 30, 2009, 09:18:26 AM
Now you're being stupid.

I am?  Really?  How so?  Just because I see a resemblance between two cars?

Take a look at these two pictures and tell me you don't see a lot of similarities.


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Sure, some of the details are different.  There's some Opel/Vauxhall Insignia and a bit of BMW mixed in.  But the overall shape reminds me of the CLS.  How does making a casual observation make me stupid?


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August 30, 2009, 09:22:44 PM


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sportyaccordy

#12
August 31, 2009, 05:44:24 AM
You know a car sucks when it looks bad in a concept sketch

Fuck the designs... when the Chinese are able to wow me with their engineering they will be considered a threat to the car industry. Their engines & crash ratings are still in the early 1990s.
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