Is there a better all around enthusiast's car than the M3?

[hotrodalex]

Do 2000-2004 Mustangs have traction control? The Mustang in front of my house yesterday was just spinning and spinning.

[SVT666]

Do 2000-2004 Mustangs have traction control? The Mustang in front of my house yesterday was just spinning and spinning.

Yes they do, but if he had shitty tires, TC won't help.  Hell, my Mustang didn't even have TC, but with really good winter tires, I had no trouble at all.

[hotrodalex]

Yes they do, but if he had shitty tires, TC won't help.  Hell, my Mustang didn't even have TC, but with really good winter tires, I had no trouble at all.

He had BFGoodrich Radial T/As or something like that. I was laughing so hard.

[Eye of the Tiger]

He had BFGoodrich Radial T/As or something like that. I was laughing so hard.

Those were good tires, like, 40 years ago. Why do they still exist?

[SVT666]

Those were good tires, like, 40 years ago. Why do they still exist?

And only in the dry.

[MexicoCityM3]

I'm assuming. When I try to pull it up and have fun in a snowy parking lot, it doesn't work very well and flashes lights at me or something.

I would assume that both manual and automatic cars have the same parking brake. Maybe the M3 has a mechanical one, but that's only a small possibility.

All E46s have mechanical parking brakes. The light flashing at you is probably the ASC/DSC. You have to disable that before you can drift, but the parking brake is mechanical.

[r0tor]

In the snow?  You don't even need to do anything with the clutch.  Just stomp on the gas.

wtf... i even put the unneeded clutch kick option in there for the clutch worshippers 

[hotrodalex]

All E46s have mechanical parking brakes. The light flashing at you is probably the ASC/DSC. You have to disable that before you can drift, but the parking brake is mechanical.

Interesting. I guess it's just very weak then.

Oh, and I just looked up BFGoodrich tires and they were g-force T/A's, not radial.

[SVT666]

wtf... i even put the unneeded clutch kick option in there for the clutch worshippers 

[SVT666]

Interesting. I guess it's just very weak then.

Oh, and I just looked up BFGoodrich tires and they were g-force T/A's, not radial.

Those are summer tires only.

[hotrodalex]

Those are summer tires only.

Exactly.

[MexicoCityM3]

Interesting. I guess it's just very weak then.

It is weak. I once did a 70 mile drive back from the track after I ruined my front pads & discs (had to go for "that last session") and had to brake using the handbrake only for the whole drive. It was "interesting" to say the least.

[Eye of the Tiger]

This reminds me of the mid 90's Corolla I used to see at nearly every autox event; it had BFG Radial T/A's on steelies, and what looked to be a few sizes too big. It was never very fast, but I guess they were having fun. I was amused.

[Eye of the Tiger]

It is weak. I once did a 70 mile drive back from the track after I ruined my front pads & discs (had to go for "that last session") and had to brake using the handbrake only for the whole drive. It was "interesting" to say the least.

That is weak. I once towed a 3000 lb trailer all the way up the east coast, with an old 3spd Chevy c10 with rear brakes that only worked using the parking brake. Left foot was busy.

[Vinsanity]

Those were good tires, like, 40 years ago. Why do they still exist?

because the white lettering looks awesome

[hotrodalex]

I have Radial T/A's on my Camaro for looks. For track days I put on slicks (though at the moment I have none)

[Eye of the Tiger]

because the white lettering looks awesome

They can put white letters on something with actual good tread