Carmel Pictures

[BMWDave]

170 mph in a car with 1970s aerodynamics? That must be scary.

all the wind buffeting would scare the hell outta me.

I am sure the car has tons of downforce, and its not your normal 2002.  its been lowered and modified for racing, so I am sure it could handle those speeds.

[Raghavan]

the rear taillights could be a bit bigger though. :shrug:

[BMWDave]

the rear taillights could be a bit bigger though. :shrug:

I like them :)  

[Raghavan]

the rear taillights could be a bit bigger though. :shrug:

I like them :)

do you know how much a 2002 race car like that would sell for?

[BMWDave]

the rear taillights could be a bit bigger though. :shrug:

I like them :)

do you know how much a 2002 race car like that would sell for?

A lot....

[Raghavan]

the rear taillights could be a bit bigger though. :shrug:

I like them :)

do you know how much a 2002 race car like that would sell for?

A lot....

i can infer that much, you know.  

[TBR]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

[Raghavan]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

[BMWDave]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

It was the first car really produced by BMW's M Division, they had to make a classic B)  

[Raghavan]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

It was the first car really produced by BMW's M Division, they had to make a classic B)

i guess they poured every ounce of engine knowledge in there to build this car.

[BMWDave]

The 3.0 CSL which was made for street use costs about 40-50K now.  The racing version was much rarer, so I assume they go for a lot, a lot of money.

[TBR]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

First, I am not arguing about the engine. Second, a very high hp/l doesn't necessarily make it a better engine than everything produced today. I imagine it had horrible fuel economy and even worse emissions. Thrid, I guess I am now arguing about the engine

[Raghavan]

The 3.0 CSL which was made for street use costs about 40-50K now.  The racing version was much rarer, so I assume they go for a lot, a lot of money.

i was thinking more like $500k.

[Raghavan]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

First, I am not arguing about the engine. Second, a very high hp/l doesn't necessarily make it a better engine than everything produced today. I imagine it had horrible fuel economy and even worse emissions. Thrid, I guess I am now arguing about the engine

   

[BMWDave]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

First, I am not arguing about the engine. Second, a very high hp/l doesn't necessarily make it a better engine than everything produced today. I imagine it had horrible fuel economy and even worse emissions. Thrid, I guess I am now arguing about the engine

:D Barring emissions and environmental concerns, the hp per litre ration is simply outstanding, whatever way you look at it.  And I cant really find anything about emissions on the web, there were no environmental wackos back then  

[BMWDave]

The 3.0 CSL which was made for street use costs about 40-50K now.  The racing version was much rarer, so I assume they go for a lot, a lot of money.

i was thinking more like $500k.

Perhaps even more than that.  I will check it up.

[Raghavan]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

First, I am not arguing about the engine. Second, a very high hp/l doesn't necessarily make it a better engine than everything produced today. I imagine it had horrible fuel economy and even worse emissions. Thrid, I guess I am now arguing about the engine

:D Barring emissions and environmental concerns, the hp per litre ration is simply outstanding, whatever way you look at it.  And I cant really find anything about emissions on the web, there were no environmental wackos back then

Ralph Nader?

[TBR]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

First, I am not arguing about the engine. Second, a very high hp/l doesn't necessarily make it a better engine than everything produced today. I imagine it had horrible fuel economy and even worse emissions. Thrid, I guess I am now arguing about the engine

:D Barring emissions and environmental concerns, the hp per litre ration is simply outstanding, whatever way you look at it.  And I cant really find anything about emissions on the web, there were no environmental wackos back then

I agree, the output is very impressive but you can't call it better than modern engines just because of that output.

[BMWDave]

It had about 141.45 hp to a litre, or something right around there. :)

i got 143, but lets just say that i'm right.

I think the hp number is usually 15 percent more than the bhp number, and if thats the case, then 141.45 hp would be the correct conversion :)

But we know its somwhere around the low 140s.  Absolutely astounding  :blink:

The b in bhp just indicated that the engine was tested on a brake dyno.

And, even though it was modified I imagine its aerodynamics are pitiful compared to modern cars, they just didn't have the knowledge we have now of aerodynamics.

and yet, that engine is superior to almost anything today.

First, I am not arguing about the engine. Second, a very high hp/l doesn't necessarily make it a better engine than everything produced today. I imagine it had horrible fuel economy and even worse emissions. Thrid, I guess I am now arguing about the engine

:D Barring emissions and environmental concerns, the hp per litre ration is simply outstanding, whatever way you look at it.  And I cant really find anything about emissions on the web, there were no environmental wackos back then

I agree, the output is very impressive but you can't call it better than modern engines just because of that output.

I didnt call it that  :mellow:

There is no doubt that modern engines are cleaner and such, but I am still amazed at what BMW achieved back in the 70s.

[TBR]

I know, but Rag did.

[Raghavan]

I know, but Rag did.

it's true.  I'm a high revving engines troll too.  

[Raza]

You can get a 3.0 CSL for about 15 grand, but expect to do some work.  With cars like that, the initial price of the car is directly related to how much work has been done into maintaining it.  If it's under 15 grand though, rust bucket.

[BMWDave]

You can get a 3.0 CSL for about 15 grand, but expect to do some work.  With cars like that, the initial price of the car is directly related to how much work has been done into maintaining it.  If it's under 15 grand though, rust bucket.

It costs about 50K or so to get one in nice condition.  But the 3.0CSL racecar costs so much more than the 3.0CSL road car.

[footoflead]

I've seen this car before but forgot the name...help??

[BMWDave]

Its an Ariel Atom.

[footoflead]

Thats what i thought but i wasnt sure, I wouldnt mind one of those :D  B)    

[BMWDave]

Thats what i thought but i wasnt sure, I wouldnt mind one of those :D  B)  

Top gear tested one once, its an amazing car.

[CaseyNPham]

What now!!!!

[Minpin]

MAN, one lucky guy.....

[Raza]

You can get a 3.0 CSL for about 15 grand, but expect to do some work.  With cars like that, the initial price of the car is directly related to how much work has been done into maintaining it.  If it's under 15 grand though, rust bucket.

It costs about 50K or so to get one in nice condition.  But the 3.0CSL racecar costs so much more than the 3.0CSL road car.

I didn't realize you were talking about the race car.