lol douche BMW driver is a douche.

[565]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20SNMdo3B3o



I guess the BMW driver was jealous his badge didn't warp him miles ahead of the MS3.


Honestly the fact the MS3 driver kept calm was incredible, I would have probably done something stupid to that douchebag.

[the Teuton]

I've met BMW owners like that guy. LOL

[GoCougs]

More to the story IMO.

Anywho, anyone approaches my car like that and they will likely be met with force.

[Laconian]

I would've sped on by as soon as the asshole stopped his car. It was obvious that no good things were going to happen from that point on. Except it made for a priceless Youtube moment.

[SVT_Power]

BMW owner looks kinda like Dave

[SVT666]

He wasn't even riding his ass. 

[Cookie Monster]

More to the story IMO.

Anywho, anyone approaches my car like that and they will likely be met with force.

Yeah I'm surprised he didn't get out of the MS3 and beat his head in.

[Catman]

He wasn't even riding his ass. 

Yeah I didn't really see much tailgating going on.

[Onslaught]

He wasn't even riding his ass.  

That's what I was thinking.

And calling his car a "shit box" was funny. People like that are what turn me off to some car brands. I know it's not fair to the cars but I can't help it.

[68_427]

And calling his car a "shit box" was funny.

You have two shit boxes.  What's so funny?

[Eye of the Tiger]

That wasn't even tailgating, that was just a prick in a BMW.

My first road rage encoutner was something ridiculous like that, where a guy pulled out in front of me, I had to slam on my brakes and swerve while giving some horn so the shithead would realize where I was. So the guy follows me to where I'm going, thentries to break into my car when I stop in the parking lot, but he was too stupid to figure out how to unzip the soft top.

A similar thing happened this weekend where I was in the left lane of a four lane when two cars decide to pull out in front of me from the left side of the road. The first one, a green Elantra, has a bit of room and pulled correctly into the left lane, so I moved to the right lane... but then I realize shithead in the silver Escort decided to gun it and follow right behind the Elantra, only he decided to go all the way across the road and into the right lane, directly into my path, so I lay on horn while swerving left, doing a slalom around the two cars. There wasn't much else to do, other than hope I could brake hard enough, or go into the ditch. The Swift is better at swerveing that straight line braking, so that's what I did... except when I pull back intot he right lane, in front of silver Escort, the driver decides it wants to buttfuck with the Swift. I have a left turn coming up, and as I move left, I see that the Escort is moving left,  so I hurry it up and move left so I don't get blocked from my turn by Mr. Road Rage. Now I'm in the left lane with a silver Escort buttfucking my Swift The Escort enjoys itself for a while, the Swift tolerates it, and I ponder what the hell the driver's ultimate plan is. Staying as close as possible to the Swift, the Escort begins to move right, but not entirely in the right lane, jsut close enought to creep up the side... I'm thinking fuckhead is going to PIT maneuver me, becuase he's driving like a compete nutjob. Luckily, my left turn was coming up, so at the last second, I swerve left and stop at the left turn light, while silver Escort tries to brake in time to do whatever it was going to do, but at the last second decides to go straight through the intersection. I got a good look at the guy as a flipped him off, and he looked back at me like he was going to kill me. Bald, mustache, probably 5'3", needle dick syndrome.

Today, I almost called 911 on a taxi cab I was follwing, that was harassing the minivan ahead of itm swerving all around, half a car length behind the van, acting like it wanted to pass really badly, but not taking any of the several opportunities it had. I had my windows rolled up, phone in hand, ready to dial... but then I just thought about teh police, and how much they probably won't do about it, beacuse they'd rather sit in the meidan and jack of with their radar guns. I need to get a gun of my own and my take out a few of these fuckheads.

[Eye of the Tiger]

As much as I get tailgated, I am really trying to get into the habit of pulling over and just letting them by, even though that is not customary in America. I am not a slow poke, and I have the speeding tickets to prove it, but I am tailgated far worse than this video every single day. I drive 200-300 miles a day, through so many different kinds of roads, and it never fails that someone wants to go faster than me. School and construction zones are the worst; apparently, I am the only one that can read the bright orange signs. Other than harassing the state police with ten reports of tailgaters every day, I don't know what else to do. Yeah, I'm preaching to the choir. General population + cars = bad idea.

[rohan]

More to the story IMO.

Anywho, anyone approaches my car like that and they will likely be met with force.

That's brilliant.  The old "reverse road rage" is usually not a good idea either.  Especially when he says "Get the fuck out of here, get going" and you further the confrontation.   Get out of the car at that point and you are no longer defending yourself you've become the aggressor.  If there's a fight you'ld both get charged here with road rage because he provided you with an avenue for escape and self defense requires that you attempt to flee if at all possible.

Either way tho that guy was a complete ass- and - his driving skills were completely horrible.  No wonder someone in a Mazda could keep up.  What would've been funny is if the guy in the back car just nail the pedal and drove headlong into the back of his car. 

[the Teuton]

I try to keep my distance except under 40 mph where I have better reactions. From there, if I am in the left lane, I mildly tailgate, leaving 2 car lengths or so. If they don't get the point, I flash my high beams. And if that doesn't work, I pass on the right when safe.

I always drive with my headlights on, though, just in case someone isn't paying attention that there really is someone behind them. I used to hate DRLs, but now I see they really do have a point.

And Nick, people tailgate you, whether you're going the speed of traffic or not, because you drive a Swift, and no one wants to be going slower than a Swift.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I try to keep my distance except under 40 mph where I have better reactions. From there, if I am in the left lane, I mildly tailgate, leaving 2 car lengths or so. If they don't get the point, I flash my high beams. And if that doesn't work, I pass on the right when safe.

I always drive with my headlights on, though, just in case someone isn't paying attention that there really is someone behind them. I used to hate DRLs, but now I see they really do have a point.

And Nick, people tailgate you, whether you're going the speed of traffic or not, because you drive a Swift, and no one wants to be going slower than a Swift.

Yeah, except it's usually in teh Sonoma. I get tailgated and passed in that at the same time I get speeding tickets. The Swift does not tolerate tailgating, as it is too small to hold together in a rear end collision, so it just goes faster.

[Tave]

This feels fake as shit. Homeboy just happens to be videotaping a random drive when this goes down? Riiiiiiight........

[Eye of the Tiger]

This feels fake as shit. Homeboy just happens to be videotaping a random drive when this goes down? Riiiiiiight........

I could make some real videos. I need a dash cam... or, rather, a tailgate cam. If I had one, I'd just send my daily footage to the state police and let them either throw it away or possibly something constructive.

[Cookie Monster]

This feels fake as shit. Homeboy just happens to be videotaping a random drive when this goes down? Riiiiiiight........

What? He's in a sporty car on a windy road. Why would it be weird to tape that?

[Tave]

What? He's in a sporty car on a windy road. Why would it be weird to tape that?

Sure he might really love cars and tape some of his drives for fun. But he just happens to be taping when something this weird happens?

If you believe that, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...

[GoCougs]

That's brilliant.  The old "reverse road rage" is usually not a good idea either.  Especially when he says "Get the fuck out of here, get going" and you further the confrontation.   Get out of the car at that point and you are no longer defending yourself you've become the aggressor.  If there's a fight you'ld both get charged here with road rage because he provided you with an avenue for escape and self defense requires that you attempt to flee if at all possible.

Either way tho that guy was a complete ass- and - his driving skills were completely horrible.  No wonder someone in a Mazda could keep up.  What would've been funny is if the guy in the back car just nail the pedal and drove headlong into the back of his car.  

False on at least three levels.

1. He is the aggressor by blocking the lane and exiting the car. After about 10 steps he walks into the oncoming lane, blocking it too. In conjunction with the fact that there is no shoulder on the right, a cliff on the left, and that a car is not designed to be driven backward at any appreciable speed (and driving backward on a windy road is incredibly dangerous) he has committed the crime of unlawful imprisonment, a class C felony.

2. He is further the aggressor when he approaches the driver's side of the car. The second he comes within 21' of the drivers window he is legal fair game. In my case, I remove the high volume, high pressure pepper spray from my center console, take about three deep breaths, roll down my window, and ruing this guy's day in great measure. I then vacate the area as he screams and cries, note his license plate, call authorities and press charges.

3. My state has a fairly clear-cut stand-your-ground law. I am not obliged to leave the area to prevent conflict as is the case in some states. If I believe I am in danger of physical violence can defend myself with appropriate force irrespective of the fact I am unlawfully imprisoned.

[rohan]

Ok Cougs.  I see you've obtained your law degree.     

Unlawful improsinment?  Seriously?  Are you drunk?

21 feet of the drivers window and he's fair game?  Can you cite that?   

Can you cite your clear cut law?

[Onslaught]

You have two shit boxes.  What's so funny?

1 1/2 shit boxes. The MX-5 is really just half a normal car.

[GoCougs]

Ok Cougs.  I see you've obtained your law degree.     

Unlawful improsinment?  Seriously?  Are you drunk?

21 feet of the drivers window and he's fair game?  Can you cite that?   

Can you cite your clear cut law?

No, no law degree.

Absolutely, you objectively imprison me; prevent me from moving; especially in a confrontation, you have committed a crime.

21' I'm sure you're aware from where that comes.

"Fairly clear cut" means there is no "duty to retreat" law as in some other states, and stand-your-ground and Castle doctrine has been affirmed in a number recent WA court cases: "...persons acting in self-defense have no duty to retreat when assaulted in a place they have a right to be..." (see first paragraph, third sentence in State of Washington vs. Redmond].

[dazzleman]

BMW owner looks kinda like Dave

It was me, actually.

[rohan]

No, no law degree.

Absolutely, you objectively imprison me; prevent me from moving; especially in a confrontation, you have committed a crime.

Sorry that's never ever ever ever ever.....ever.... ever going to fly when you're behind the wheel of a running car on a two lane road.  

21' I'm sure you're aware from where that comes.

That's also not gonna fly in any court anywhere unless you can cite some kind of thing- anything- that would show why it would be relevant- at all.  You have windows- you have door locks- you have a gas pedal= use them.

"Fairly clear cut" means there is no "duty to retreat" law as in some other states, and stand-your-ground and Castle doctrine has been affirmed in a number recent WA court cases: "...persons acting in self-defense have no duty to retreat when assaulted in a place they have a right to be..." (see first paragraph, third sentence in State of Washington vs. Redmond].

As I said- you get out of the car and you become the aggressor.  Saying you have the "right" to be in the middle of the road extending a verbal confrontation after you were given the opportunity to end it by simply driving away- to physically defend yourself when and where there was no outward threat is a huge gargantuan stretch of that case law as it pertains to this situation.  Castle doctrine would have zero relativety to this case unless you a)live in your car  b) live on the road- since it only pertains to your home.    AS for standing your ground- you would have to prove that getting out of your car and escallating the confrontation from verbal only to physical was required in some form to defend yourself.  I can't even see how that could be an allowed defense in this case since you were really never in any imminent danger as the video suggests.


I just watched it again twice and noticed that he never makes any statements of threat or which could be conceived as threat.  He is "looming" however and you could make a case that you felt endangered0 but I still feel you'ld have a very difficult time making the case that you had to get out of your car to defend yourself stick.

[Onslaught]

If someone got out and it looked like they're going to kick your car or something can you defend it? Or is it just yourself?

[Minpin]

Sorry that's never ever ever ever ever.....ever.... ever going to fly when you're behind the wheel of a running car on a two lane road.  
That's also not gonna fly in any court anywhere unless you can cite some kind of thing- anything- that would show why it would be relevant- at all.  You have windows- you have door locks- you have a gas pedal= use them.
As I said- you get out of the car and you become the aggressor.  Saying you have the "right" to be in the middle of the road extending a verbal confrontation after you were given the opportunity to end it by simply driving away- to physically defend yourself when and where there was no outward threat is a huge gargantuan stretch of that case law as it pertains to this situation.  Castle doctrine would have zero relativety to this case unless you a)live in your car  b) live on the road- since it only pertains to your home.    AS for standing your ground- you would have to prove that getting out of your car and escallating the confrontation from verbal only to physical was required in some form to defend yourself.  I can't even see how that could be an allowed defense in this case since you were really never in any imminent danger as the video suggests.


I just watched it again twice and noticed that he never makes any statements of threat or which could be conceived as threat.  He is "looming" however and you could make a case that you felt endangered0 but I still feel you'ld have a very difficult time making the case that you had to get out of your car to defend yourself stick.

"Beat your fucking head in" isn't a threat? 

[rohan]

If someone got out and it looked like they're going to kick your car or something can you defend it? Or is it just yourself?

The only state I'm aware you can defend property is Texas- most places you can't defend property.

"Beat your fucking head in" isn't a threat? 

Not in this case- the guy already said to take off- this guy said ok and was starting the process of driving away- when that was said the aggressor was walking away and there is no immediate threat because he was walking away.  If he said it as he was walking toward the car that's a lot different.  The key is intent and the presence of immediate (immenant threat) of harm- since he's walking away as he says that the courts- read prosecutors- will generally say it's not a threat since the actual "risk" has ended.  Now if he turns around and starts walking back to the car and says that- then the intent has changed again but that didn't happen.  Instances like this the intent changes moment to moment and here his intent is to posture- not attack- as evidenced he said that while he was walking away.  Now- I'm only talking about what I know - and that's mostly Michigan law but most states are very similar. 

[rohan]

No, no law degree.

Absolutely, you objectively imprison me; prevent me from moving; especially in a confrontation, you have committed a crime.

21' I'm sure you're aware from where that comes.

"Fairly clear cut" means there is no "duty to retreat" law as in some other states, and stand-your-ground and Castle doctrine has been affirmed in a number recent WA court cases: "...persons acting in self-defense have no duty to retreat when assaulted in a place they have a right to be..." (see first paragraph, third sentence in State of Washington vs. Redmond].

I've done some very basic research and found that the "Stand your ground" law is tied directly to the Castle Doctrine and would not in any way conceivable be linked to this situation as it pertains to ppl being slain while in someone's home and while committing- having committed- or about to commit a felony act.

"RCW 9A.16.050
Homicide ? By other person ? When justifiable. 

Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

     (1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

     (2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is."

[Vinsanity]

heh, I can almost imagine how this incident would read as posted by the BMW driver on his forum; something to the effect of "some punk in a shitbox Mazda riding [the guy's] ass", and of course making himself look like a badass by stepping out of the car to give him a piece of his mind, after which the "punk kid took off with his tail between his legs". Or something to that effect.