2012 Toyota Camry Leaked!

[Atomic]

video clip:

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/07/2012-toyota-camry-revealed-in.html

[Atomic]

notice the colors? red, white and blue! hmm...

the cars from what i can tell look sleeker. i like the sportier front, overall shape and especially the rear taillights and c-pillar.

[the Teuton]

It took a little over a week for that to surface. I guess when you publicize that everyone and their brother is going to a Toyota dealer convention, it's sure to break out at some point.

[ifcar]

I hope the ratio is just off on that, because if it's not the car looks pretty stumpy. The rear looks nice.

[the Teuton]

I hope the ratio is just off on that, because if it's not the car looks pretty stumpy. The rear looks nice.

I got the same impression. It's taller, narrower, and shorter looking -- kind of like the 2013 Malibu.

[Atomic]

I got the same impression. It's taller, narrower, and shorter looking -- kind of like the 2013 Malibu.

yes. i can see that, too. also, the rear half kind of resembles the previous generation camry. i think that not unlike the 2013 chevrolet malibu, it will look even better in person -- as i learned at the nyc auto show.

[68_427]

Kinda looks like a bigger Corolla.

[2o6]

Looks like the current one. I predict a similar change as to how the did the "new" Corolla. Dumpier, and blander while being worse.

[the Teuton]

Looks like the current one. I predict a similar change as to how the did the "new" Corolla. Dumpier, and blander while being worse.

I don't think they can afford to make it worse in the face of what looks to be some serious competition from the Koreans especially.

Toyota isn't VW. And even the Passat's not that bad -- it's just bad because we were all used to seeing Audi levels of quality at VW prices, which might've been unrealistic.

[Atomic]

I hope the ratio is just off on that, because if it's not the car looks pretty stumpy. The rear looks nice.

lol... i first read "radio" instead of "ratio"... i see what you mean, as well. it wasn't the clearest video, but i do think it will look mighty sweet in professional pics and seeing one firsthand. the 2012 honda civic, especially the coupe looks far more stylish (i.e., ratio-wise) in person. cars can look distorted if pics or video are taken at an odd angle, like in the clip.

[2o6]

I don't think they can afford to make it worse in the face of what looks to be some serious competition from the Koreans especially.

Toyota isn't VW. And even the Passat's not that bad -- it's just bad because we were all used to seeing Audi levels of quality at VW prices, which might've been unrealistic.

Toyota has a name behind it. VW does not. And even so, the Passat is appreciably worse than the competition but for the same price. Why should I buy a Passat over an Optima? Or Sonata? Or Camry? Or Accord? Or Malibu?



The Koreans have great products. The Japanese still have their name, at least for right now. GM has decided to play ball; their new products are top notch. Ford's cars are also good too.


I just don't see people flocking to buy the Passat, unless they really want something German.

[ifcar]

Toyota has a name behind it. VW does not. And even so, the Passat is appreciably worse than the competition but for the same price. Why should I buy a Passat over an Optima? Or Sonata? Or Camry? Or Accord? Or Malibu?



The Koreans have great products. The Japanese still have their name, at least for right now. GM has decided to play ball; their new products are top notch. Ford's cars are also good too.


I just don't see people flocking to buy the Passat, unless they really want something German.

The reviews I've seen have said the Passat has a best-in-class balance of ride and handling, and it clearly has an interior volume advantage over anything else that handles decently. The only obvious weak point -- a serious one, to be sure -- is the five-cylinder, but I don't see how that's an automatic write-off point.

[68_427]

The reviews I've seen have said the Passat has a best-in-class balance of ride and handling, and it clearly has an interior volume advantage over anything else that handles decently. The only obvious weak point -- a serious one, to be sure -- is the five-cylinder, but I don't see how that's an automatic write-off point.

I was going to say... but in a less kind manner.

[2o6]

The reviews I've seen have said the Passat has a best-in-class balance of ride and handling, and it clearly has an interior volume advantage over anything else that handles decently. The only obvious weak point -- a serious one, to be sure -- is the five-cylinder, but I don't see how that's an automatic write-off point.

The reviews I've read have slammed the interior for being flat-out bad. Then the 5cyl's performance and economy are mediocre, especially with most automakers doing through revisions on their smaller motors to give better performance and economy.

[Atomic]

i think the '12 camry will continue to reign. it looks better without looking nothing like a toyota. with mention of the upgrades, it should make current owners even happier, unlike what owners of the previous generation vw jetta must think of the cheapened new model and what current passat owners may think of the '12 vw equivalent.

toyota did a remarkable job making the 2012 camry look like the pre-12 camry without the avoidance of taking a risk. the corolla? well, it was that great (in the looks department) to begin with, so i think toyota should take on a bigger gamble when redesigning this model. imo, they do not have to play it safe with the corolla, as honda did with the more mature looking civic sedan for 2012. btw, the '12 civic coupe looks far better than the last model... opposed to looking like a "two door" version of the sedan, the 2012 civic coupe looks like a totally different car... with the coupe, i think honda's "risk" will paid off.

[68_427]

The reviews I've read have slammed the interior for being flat-out bad. Then the 5cyl's performance and economy are mediocre, especially with most automakers doing through revisions on their smaller motors to give better performance and economy.

Please link those reviews which slam the interior.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Why there is an exclaimation point in the title of this thread, I will never know.

[Atomic]

The reviews I've seen have said the Passat has a best-in-class balance of ride and handling, and it clearly has an interior volume advantage over anything else that handles decently. The only obvious weak point -- a serious one, to be sure -- is the five-cylinder, but I don't see how that's an automatic write-off point.

i like what i have seen and read about the 2012 vw passat. if not for some really awesome more "european-like" pre-2012 model year versions of the passat, i think the media and car enthusiasts would be far more complimentary of the '12 passat.

[ifcar]

The reviews I've read have slammed the interior for being flat-out bad.

I've never seen such a review, and the Passat I was in had a very nice interior. You appear to be thinking of a different Volkswagen, called "Jetta."

[Atomic]

Why there is an exclaimation point in the title of this thread, I will never know.

'cause it's just me 

...and what i was excited to find... the first glance of america's best selling car :)

[Atomic]

there has never been a better selection of cars in this class, imo.

[sportyaccordy]

there has never been a better selection of cars in this class, imo.

Cars are all better than they've ever been. But many still suck, which makes no sense given how much time they've had to figure them out

[the Teuton]

Cars are all better than they've ever been. But many still suck, which makes no sense given how much time they've had to figure them out

The best family sedans that have ever been sold in the US, the first gen Mazda6 and B5.5 Passat were replaced with mediocre cars. What does that tell you about your perception of what makes a great family sedan vs. the people who actually buy them?

[ifcar]

The best family sedans that have ever been sold in the US, the first gen Mazda6 and B5.5 Passat were replaced with mediocre cars. What does that tell you about your perception of what makes a great family sedan vs. the people who actually buy them?

They were never great family sedans. A great family sedan is more spacious than they were. You can argue that they were great cars, but their weakness -- what proved to be their fatal weakness -- was mediocre utility.

And there is room in the marketplace for great compact sedans to fill their niche while offering no less interior volume or sophistication, and without taking up a critical spot in the model lineup. If the Mazda3 were a touch roomier and had a nicer interior, for instance, it would already be everything the last Mazda6 was. (Except attractive, of course, but that's a more Mazda-specific issue.)

[ifcar]

On an unrelated note, this is what I keep seeing for this thread title:

2012 Toyota Camry Leaked!
Japanese automaker recalls sedan over gasket issues

[Atomic]

The best family sedans that have ever been sold in the US, the first gen Mazda6 and B5.5 Passat were replaced with mediocre cars. What does that tell you about your perception of what makes a great family sedan vs. the people who actually buy them?

my words were "better selection"...

you are spot on with your analysis, especially regarding that stellar passat :)

[GoCougs]

Doesn't look all-new to me. I wonder if it'll go along the same (risky) lines as the "new" Civic and Corolla (i.e, "all new" = refresh).

The SE though does appear to wearing some mighty big shoes though.

[2o6]

Doesn't look all-new to me. I wonder if it'll go along the same (risky) lines as the "new" Civic and Corolla (i.e, "all new" = refresh).

The SE though does appear to wearing some mighty big shoes though.

Yeah, but the stance looks similar to the RAV4.

[Atomic]

i like the ride and handling of the new '12 civic sedan (did not take a spin in a coupe yet), but the problem is that honda removed some of the "wow factor" of the edgy looking older 4-door design and made it more conservative. the interior of the ex if kinda fun and flirty, though, with a cool pattern looking far better in person vs. photos. fortunately, for the 2012 camry, it does look a bit sportier while still looking like a camry -- not a bad thing considering its sales figures and owner loyalty numbers.

i do admit, it is hard to tell how the car will actually look based on the fuzzy and oddly angled video footage. we should be seeing "real pics" very soon... it may or may not warrant an exclamation point  ! < oops ;0)

[thewizard16]

Cars are all better than they've ever been. But many still suck, which makes no sense given how much time they've had to figure them out

But the many that still suck tend to suck a lot less at least.

The video is unclear enough I can't tell a whole lot about the car, but I hope they clean up the interior a little- I actually rather like the look of the current model, but the dash was my least favorite thing about the car, I think it's been getting worse as new models come out. It'd be nice if they stepped the exterior design up a bit too (the Optima is currently my favorite by far in this category), but I doubt they'll be too adventurous.

Looks like the current one. I predict a similar change as to how the did the "new" Corolla. Dumpier, and blander while being worse.

I actually think the new Corolla looks a hell of a lot better than the last one, but managed to be a worse car overall. I disliked the car strongly, but I rather liked the exterior design- inoffensive enough while still retaining a sporty edge.