Pandemonium!...

[ifcar]

It doesn't. But changing the subject is a good way to "win" a discussion if you don't have supporting facts,

[SJ_GTI]

It doesn't. But changing the subject is a good way to "win" a discussion if you don't have supporting facts,

Good point.

Does this mean you cede the point that I did "win" though?  

[SJ_GTI]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

[Raghavan]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

 

[footoflead]

It doesn't. But changing the subject is a good way to "win" a discussion if you don't have supporting facts,

Good point.

Does this mean you cede the point that I did "win" though?

ummm...No

[ifcar]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

Did I say better car? No, a better car for the money. Have you driven the 06 Rio, it's a surprisingly nice little subcompact.

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that. Prove me wrong.  

[ifcar]

It doesn't. But changing the subject is a good way to "win" a discussion if you don't have supporting facts,

Good point.

Does this mean you cede the point that I did "win" though?

Absolutely, you "won." "Congratulations".    

[footoflead]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

Did I say better car? No, a better car for the money. Have you driven the 06 Rio, it's a surprisingly nice little subcompact.

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that. Prove me wrong.

Me too :angry:  :angry: <---Determination!

[footoflead]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

Did I say better car? No, a better car for the money. Have you driven the 06 Rio, it's a surprisingly nice little subcompact.

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that. Prove me wrong.

Me too :angry:  :angry: <---Determination!

[SJ_GTI]

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that.

Gotcha.

I think "The Phantom" and Napoleon over on C&D would disagree with you. Former owners of an RSX and WS6 Trans Am respectively. Pardon me if their opinions are a little more valuable on the subject than yours. Not to mention Jeremy Clarkson...who isn't exactly known for liking cars that "handle poorly."

This isn't a subject that is "provable" though. You have your opinion and I am sure come hell or high water you will stick to it. Congrats.

To me its just one more reason not to take your reviews seriously.

[SJ_GTI]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

Did I say better car? No, a better car for the money. Have you driven the 06 Rio, it's a surprisingly nice little subcompact.

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that. Prove me wrong.

Me too :angry:  :angry: <---Determination!

Right...coming from a guy that thinks the Mustang is both faster and handles better than the GTO...

At least Ifcar is in a grey area (he never really compared the GTO to another car...for all I know his standard for a "sporty coupe" is the Exige). You just make shit up as you go along.

[ifcar]

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that.

Gotcha.

I think "The Phantom" and Napoleon over on C&D would disagree with you. Former owners of an RSX and WS6 Trans Am respectively. Pardon me if their opinions are a little more valuable on the subject than yours. Not to mention Jeremy Clarkson...who isn't exactly known for liking cars that "handle poorly."

This isn't a subject that is "provable" though. You have your opinion and I am sure come hell or high water you will stick to it. Congrats.

To me its just one more reason not to take your reviews seriously.

Changing the subject again. I don't care who disagrees, I'm interested in WHY. Care to post their reasoning, and why you agree with it?

[SJ_GTI]

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that.

Gotcha.

I think "The Phantom" and Napoleon over on C&D would disagree with you. Former owners of an RSX and WS6 Trans Am respectively. Pardon me if their opinions are a little more valuable on the subject than yours. Not to mention Jeremy Clarkson...who isn't exactly known for liking cars that "handle poorly."

This isn't a subject that is "provable" though. You have your opinion and I am sure come hell or high water you will stick to it. Congrats.

To me its just one more reason not to take your reviews seriously.

Changing the subject again. I don't care who disagrees, I'm interested in WHY. Care to post their reasoning, and why you agree with it?

There is no standard to prove you wrong Ifcar.

The GTO handles as well or better than most of its competition. If that isn't good enough for you...oh well I guess. I don't really care if you agree or not.

[ifcar]

At least Ifcar is in a grey area (he never really compared the GTO to another car...for all I know his standard for a "sporty coupe" is the Exige).

An excellent-handling sporty coupe would be the RX8 or 350Z. Very good would be something like a G35C. Decent would be Mustang or Crossfire.

Happy?

[SJ_GTI]

At least Ifcar is in a grey area (he never really compared the GTO to another car...for all I know his standard for a "sporty coupe" is the Exige).

An excellent-handling sporty coupe would be the RX8 or 350Z. Very good would be something like a G35C. Decent would be Mustang or Crossfire.

Happy?

As a clam.

[ifcar]

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that.

Gotcha.

I think "The Phantom" and Napoleon over on C&D would disagree with you. Former owners of an RSX and WS6 Trans Am respectively. Pardon me if their opinions are a little more valuable on the subject than yours. Not to mention Jeremy Clarkson...who isn't exactly known for liking cars that "handle poorly."

This isn't a subject that is "provable" though. You have your opinion and I am sure come hell or high water you will stick to it. Congrats.

To me its just one more reason not to take your reviews seriously.

Changing the subject again. I don't care who disagrees, I'm interested in WHY. Care to post their reasoning, and why you agree with it?

There is no standard to prove you wrong Ifcar.

The GTO handles as well or better than most of its competition. If that isn't good enough for you...oh well I guess. I don't really care if you agree or not.

In on-road driving, the GTO has slower responses. Maybe it's better on a track, but I couldn't care less about how it behaves there. Is that the crux of your argument, that handling under normal conditions only represents a small part of handling overall.  

[SJ_GTI]

Goodnight Ifcar! Sleep tight and don't let the bed bugs bite.    

[footoflead]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

Did I say better car? No, a better car for the money. Have you driven the 06 Rio, it's a surprisingly nice little subcompact.

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that. Prove me wrong.

Me too :angry:  :angry: <---Determination!

Right...coming from a guy that thinks the Mustang is both faster and handles better than the GTO...

At least Ifcar is in a grey area (he never really compared the GTO to another car...for all I know his standard for a "sporty coupe" is the Exige). You just make shit up as you go along.

 

[Raghavan]

(for everyone that isn't Ifcar, I am making fun of him because his opinion is about as useless as a...well...a Kia Rio. No point in trying to "prove" the GTO doesn't handle badly to someone that considers the Kia Rio a better car than the Civic or Cobalt)

Did I say better car? No, a better car for the money. Have you driven the 06 Rio, it's a surprisingly nice little subcompact.

And the GTO does not handle well for a sporty coupe. I stand by that. Prove me wrong.

Me too :angry:  :angry: <---Determination!

Right...coming from a guy that thinks the Mustang is both faster and handles better than the GTO...

At least Ifcar is in a grey area (he never really compared the GTO to another car...for all I know his standard for a "sporty coupe" is the Exige). You just make shit up as you go along.

It's true.  

[footoflead]

You just make shit up as you go along.

When did i make shit up, granted some of it was my opinion which is a little biased (Everyone's is) but when did it make "shit" up?

Feel free to PM me  

[Run Away]

I want to point out that the only reason the GTO got a 7/10 on the transmission score was because the pedals are placed so that heel-toe shifts are impossibe, not that the 6 speed is an inferior tranny to the Mustang unit.

[Run Away]

:ph34r:  

[mazda6er]

I want to point out that the only reason the GTO got a 7/10 on the transmission score was because the pedals are placed so that heel-toe shifts are impossibe, not that the 6 speed is an inferior tranny to the Mustang unit.

I sat in a GTO, and I thought the pedals where pretty close together, but I didn't really mess around with them at all.

[SJ_GTI]

You just make shit up as you go along.

When did i make shit up, granted some of it was my opinion which is a little biased (Everyone's is) but when did it make "shit" up?

Feel free to PM me

No need for PM's, just go re-read my posts again. Its all in there.

[SJ_GTI]

I want to point out that the only reason the GTO got a 7/10 on the transmission score was because the pedals are placed so that heel-toe shifts are impossibe, not that the 6 speed is an inferior tranny to the Mustang unit.

The throws are longer and the engagement is also a bit mushier.

That being said everything is relative. The Mustang's transmission will never be as nice as say an RSX transmission simply because its got to be a heavier duty transmission to handle the V8.

[ifcar]

I want to point out that the only reason the GTO got a 7/10 on the transmission score was because the pedals are placed so that heel-toe shifts are impossibe, not that the 6 speed is an inferior tranny to the Mustang unit.

It's much less precise than several other sporty coupes', but as MTL said, it needs to be heavier-duty to handle the extra engine you get over them.  

[Raza]

While I have not driven the new Mustang yet, I have now driven two GTOs, an LS1 6 speed and an LS2 4 speed, and while the steering isn't amazing and the brakes feel soft, I'd say the car handles fairly well, in my "professional" opinion.  

I'd have to say it's the better car, and even if I'm spending the money, I would actually probably get it, though without the hood scoops.  

Damn.  I'm too conflicted on this one.  

[Ron From Regina]

My decision was easy. They don't sell the GTO in Canada due to it not passing Canadian crash tests.

I briefly considered the Magnum RT, but since it didn't come in a manual, it was eliminated pretty quick.

[Fire It Up]

While I have not driven the new Mustang yet, I have now driven two GTOs, an LS1 6 speed and an LS2 4 speed, and while the steering isn't amazing and the brakes feel soft, I'd say the car handles fairly well, in my "professional" opinion. 

I'd have to say it's the better car, and even if I'm spending the money, I would actually probably get it, though without the hood scoops. 

Damn.  I'm too conflicted on this one.

Are you kiddin? The scoops keep it from looking all too conservative.

[Tom]

I want to point out that the only reason the GTO got a 7/10 on the transmission score was because the pedals are placed so that heel-toe shifts are impossibe, not that the 6 speed is an inferior tranny to the Mustang unit.

Aftermarket pedals??  That's an easy fix, though the pedals might be large and cubmersome.