"Truly Overrated"

[Madman]

Actually, IIRC, when C&D did a direct comparo between the two in '05, they said the 300C was the better handler.

They were full of shit then- I drive the Charger for work and I owned the '05 and the GTO had better handling prowess.  And Jeremy Clarkson agrees- loved the GTO hated the LX.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=680X8C5E1YY&feature=related

Top Gear also put the Monaro/GTO up against the 300C and the Jaguar S-Type R.  All three presenters agreed the Chrysler was the most disappointing car of the bunch.  It wasn't a great handling car to begin with and it was made worse by the fact you couldn't turn the traction control completely off.

I couldn't find a video of the whole segment.  This one only contains the drag race portion of the test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4eoeEiBmxs

[LonghornTX]

Remember, the LS1 and LS2 GTOs acted quite differently.  The LS2 was louder, sharper, and better to drive than the more subdued LS1 version.

My roommate had the LS2 model. It was pretty quiet actually.

[Raza]

My roommate had the LS2 model. It was pretty quiet actually.

Our definitions of loud and quiet must be different. 

[68_427]

He has a modded mustang.  You drive German sedans

[LonghornTX]

Our definitions of loud and quiet must be different. 

By V8 powered RWD American car standards, it was pretty quiet (inside and out)

[rohan]

I recall seeing a comparo in one of the major US mags (might have been MotorTrend) where an LX car trumped the GTO in most performance categories.  However, the LX car was wearing wide, summer performance tires while the GTO had narrower all-seasons, and the difference in performance (braking, skidpad, etc) were well within the margins of what better tires could get you.

But which GTO the underpowered 5.7 that was pretty squishy and had terrible brake fade or the 6.0 with better suspension and Brembo brakes? 

[LonghornTX]

But which GTO the underpowered 5.7 that was pretty squishy and had terrible brake fade or the 6.0 with better suspension and Brembo brakes? 

The 05-06 model still had a pretty squishy suspension IMO. Also, I don't think they came with Brembo brakes

[rohan]

The 05-06 model still had a pretty squishy suspension IMO. Also, I don't think they came with Brembo brakes

Right I remembered it wrong- the GTO had pbr's- had the Brembos on that Cobra I bought from Tony and I think that's what's factory on my 545 but not entirely sure.  

[Payman]

Top Gear also put the Monaro/GTO up against the 300C and the Jaguar S-Type R.  All three presenters agreed the Chrysler was the most disappointing car of the bunch.  It wasn't a great handling car to begin with and it was made worse by the fact you couldn't turn the traction control completely off.

I couldn't find a video of the whole segment.  This one only contains the drag race portion of the test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4eoeEiBmxs

Top Gear is my favourite show, but Jeremy and James are terrible at testing cars and formulating opinions on them. Hammond is a little better and is spot on more often than not.

[SVT666]

Top Gear is my favourite show, but Jeremy and James are terrible at testing cars and formulating opinions on them. Hammond is a little better and is spot on more often than not.

You just say that because he loves Porsches so much.  Jeremy likes brute force more than handling, though he does like that too.  He just likes whatever makes he giggle.  James likes a car that has a good ride/handling compromise.  They each have their bias, as does anyone.  I agree with James that the Nurburgring is ruining cars, and that because every manufacturer thinks they have to post the best times ever, these cars are too fast to enjoy on the street, and that in the real world those suspension setups only crush your spine.  I also agree with Jeremy that there are few things on this planet that are as exhilarating as the brute force provided by 400+ hp engines.  I like Hammond's preference for old school stuff like muscle cars and Morgans.

[Rich]

I agree with James that the Nurburgring is ruining cars,

Interesting, do you know which episode he said this? 

[hotrodalex]

Interesting, do you know which episode he said this? 

Multiple episodes in the past 2 series.

[Rich]

Multiple episodes in the past 2 series.

If anyone knows which episode or what car they are reviewing when he says it, I'd like to know.  I just want to hear the conversation and thoughts involved

[CJ]

Corsa N?rburgring Edition and that new McLaren. Corsa ride is terrible, McLaren ride is good.

[hotrodalex]

Corsa is on season 18, episode 3, I believe.

[SVT666]

Interesting, do you know which episode he said this? 

Watch Season 18 and it's mentioned in almost every episode.

[Rich]

Thanks dudes

[Payman]

I agree with May on that. I was referring to reviews on individual cars.

[Xer0]

Interesting, do you know which episode he said this? 

I think he starts talking about in season 17 when he is reviewing the new Austin Martin Virage.

[SVT666]

Yes.  You're right.  It started with the Virage.

[Raza]

Top Gear is my favourite show, but Jeremy and James are terrible at testing cars and formulating opinions on them. Hammond is a little better and is spot on more often than not.

Are you kidding me?  James is the best.

[nickdrinkwater]

Everyone rips on the GTO. It looks like a Cavalier.

I think they look nothing alike, although the GTO (Monaro to us) is definitely more restrained than other cars of it's type.  In a way this is a good thing but I do think it's quite dated now.

[SVT666]

I can see the Cavalier and GTO comparison until you put them next to each other.  Once you do that, there is no similarity.  The same cannot be said for the 1994 Camaro and Geo Storm.  The Camaro looks like a scaled up version of the Storm.