"Truly Overrated"

Started by 2o6, May 06, 2012, 10:02:38 PM

2o6

What cars do you think are truly overrated, or are so overblown you don't even like them?

2o6



Journalists overlook the crap fuel economy, cheap interior and slow performance because it "drives well" and they continue to hand it the driving victory over cars like the Fiesta, 2 and Sonic.



I've driven one. It's not all that special. Doesn't feel all that much sharper than my car to drive.

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2o6



When examined in context, it's simply not a good car.

2o6




And my beef goes on.


There are other cars out there that are fast. Not only that, but the guys who get them don't seem to actually do anything to them, but turn up the boost and put them on the dynamometer.

Soup DeVille

Basically anything over about $75,000.

I just don't see that there's anything I want available on any car anywhere that I can't get for less than that.
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Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 06, 2012, 10:18:32 PM
Basically anything over about $75,000.

I just don't see that there's anything I want available on any car anywhere that I can't get for less than that.

I could take a zero off that. $7500 will buy a whole pile of used fun, or practicality. Spending more is just showing off.
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Rupert

Quote from: Soup DeVille on May 06, 2012, 10:18:32 PM
Basically anything over about $75,000.

I just don't see that there's anything I want available on any car anywhere that I can't get for less than that.

No way. Ferrari GT cars are basically the best thing ever, and you can't get that for cheap!

Though diminishing returns does sort of make them seem a bit overpriced, which I guess is like overrated..
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Quote from: Rupert on May 06, 2012, 10:30:54 PM
No way. Ferrari GT cars are basically the best thing ever, and you can't get that for cheap!

Though diminishing returns does sort of make them seem a bit overpriced, which I guess is like overrated..

You can get a lot of very lightly used Ferraris for under $75K: as well as new Corvettes and all kinds of other crazy fast machines.
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SVT666

I think two of today's most overrated vehicles are from South Korea.

Hyundai Genesis sedan
It's got a big bad V8, but so what.  It's boring.  It has no sporting intentions whatsoever.


Kia Optima

No argument on the looks.  It's a sexy thang that's for sure.  But the driving experience is severely lacking in certain aspects.  It's not nearly the sporting machine Kia's ads would have you believe or that the styling would suggest.

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Quote from: 2o6 on May 06, 2012, 10:02:38 PM
What cars do you think are truly overrated, or are so overblown you don't even like them?

The Toyota line, including big brother Lexus.

ifcar

Quote from: 2o6 on May 06, 2012, 10:10:53 PM

Journalists overlook the crap fuel economy, cheap interior and slow performance because it "drives well" and they continue to hand it the driving victory over cars like the Fiesta, 2 and Sonic.


I've driven one. It's not all that special. Doesn't feel all that much sharper than my car to drive.

It's not great because it drives well. It's great because it's so incredibly useful.

Quote from: SVT666 on May 07, 2012, 12:20:32 AM
I think two of today's most overrated vehicles are from South Korea.

Hyundai Genesis sedan
It's got a big bad V8, but so what.  It's boring.  It has no sporting intentions whatsoever.

Kia Optima

No argument on the looks.  It's a sexy thang that's for sure.  But the driving experience is severely lacking in certain aspects.  It's not nearly the sporting machine Kia's ads would have you believe or that the styling would suggest.

I don't think not being sporty counts as automatically being overrated. It's not like these cars get great reviews for being sports sedans.

Raza

Hyundai Sonata.  I don't get it.  Lots of horsepower, but not that fast, and ugly as all hell. 
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Quote from: Raza  on May 07, 2012, 07:17:32 AM
Hyundai Sonata.  I don't get it.  Lots of horsepower, but not that fast, and ugly as all hell. 
Lots? IDK about that. I agree though that Hyundai/Kia need help with their dynamics + details. The Elantra/Sonata are competent and well styled, but they need the exciting driving experience to really seal the deal.

Raza

Quote from: sportyaccordy on May 07, 2012, 08:01:30 AM
Lots? IDK about that. I agree though that Hyundai/Kia need help with their dynamics + details. The Elantra/Sonata are competent and well styled, but they need the exciting driving experience to really seal the deal.

274 horsepower is a lot.  It's especially a lot when Motor Trend gets it to 60 in 7 seconds, lagging far behind cars with a lot less power. 
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Quote from: SVT666 on May 07, 2012, 12:20:32 AM
I think two of today's most overrated vehicles are from South Korea.

Hyundai Genesis sedan
It's got a big bad V8, but so what.  It's boring.  It has no sporting intentions whatsoever.


Kia Optima

No argument on the looks.  It's a sexy thang that's for sure.  But the driving experience is severely lacking in certain aspects.  It's not nearly the sporting machine Kia's ads would have you believe or that the styling would suggest.

If anything, these cars are underrated because of their badges.

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Quote from: Rockraven on May 07, 2012, 10:05:50 AM
If anything, these cars are underrated because of their badges.
+1
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Quote from: Raza  link=topic=27377.msg1715770#msg1715770 date=1336399782
274 horsepower is a lot.  It's especially a lot when Motor Trend gets it to 60 in 7 seconds, lagging far behind cars with a lot less power. 


IIRC, the gearing is the reason.

Colin

You can't honestly answer this question unless you have driven the car in question....... otherwise how can you possibly know? there are far too many armchair experts who either replay what they've read that someone else wrote, or applying their own prejudices to what other people write. 

ifcar

More to the point, the MT number is the outlier for the Sonata's performance. Even Consumer Reports, whose numbers are almost always among the slowest, got 6.6 seconds with both its Sonata and Optima.

Raza

Quote from: ifcar on May 07, 2012, 01:38:21 PM
More to the point, the MT number is the outlier for the Sonata's performance. Even Consumer Reports, whose numbers are almost always among the slowest, got 6.6 seconds with both its Sonata and Optima.

Still kind of slow for that much power and weight.  And for full disclosure, I checked two comparison tests at Car and Driver, and neither listed the 0-60 time online (only said it relative to the others in the test).  Motor Trend was just the first I could find.
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Quote from: Colin on May 07, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
You can't honestly answer this question unless you have driven the car in question....... otherwise how can you possibly know? there are far too many armchair experts who either replay what they've read that someone else wrote, or applying their own prejudices to what other people write. 

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Quote from: Colin on May 07, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
You can't honestly answer this question unless you have driven the car in question....... otherwise how can you possibly know? there are far too many armchair experts who either replay what they've read that someone else wrote, or applying their own prejudices to what other people write. 

I suppose that's true.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Raza

Quote from: Laconian on May 07, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
All recent Saabs except maybe the Viggen.

The Viggen is severely underrated. 
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Drove a Camaro SS, very overrated. Drove a Challenger R/T, very underrated.

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