Snow tires lol...

[SVT666]

[850CSi]

5 Chicago winters, RWD, all-season tires. Drove several times in blizzards. Never had a problem. Don't know a single person who runs two sets of tires.

I apologize for disagreeing with the assertion that we're all stupid.

[SVT666]

5 Chicago winters, RWD, all-season tires. Drove several times in blizzards. Never had a problem. Don't know a single person who runs two sets of tires.

I apologize for disagreeing with the assertion that we're all stupid.

Disagreeing doesn't change reality.

[850CSi]

Disagreeing doesn't change reality.

Hope the horse you rode in on has snow hooves

[SVT666]

Hope the horse you rode in on has snow hooves

I'm allergic to horses.

[mzziaz]

5 Chicago winters, RWD, all-season tires. Drove several times in blizzards. Never had a problem. Don't know a single person who runs two sets of tires.

I apologize for disagreeing with the assertion that we're all stupid.

You know what, why don't you rip out the seatbelts on the car too, while you're at it. I'm sure you haven't needed those the last five years either.

[850CSi]

You know what, why don't you rip out the seatbelts on the car too, while you're at it. I'm sure you haven't needed those the last five years either.

You're actually comparing using all-season tires in the winter to driving without a seatbelt?

Are you serious, or am I getting trolled?

[S204STi]

FWIW, my dad has never purchased dedicated snows for his last two vehicles, but he does run fairly aggressive A/T tires.  He's never been off the road or wrecked in the snow.

He has also performed some impressive driving feats on snow-covered passes on worn all-seasons on our old Geo Prizm.

Driver skill is of first priority.  Then tires, but the tires are a huge deal IMO, and I prefer to have the best available grip.

[Rupert]

Will have to google that.

There's a coked out squirrel.

[GoCougs]

Not buying these "never had a problem" declarations...

[Raza]

Not buying these "never had a problem" declarations...

I've never had a problem in FWD or RWD on all seasons.  Of course, that depends on how you define problem.  I got stuck twice in the Passat trying to ram snowbanks, but that's my fault, not the tires.  I'm not saying that it wasn't more work on all seasons, but it's easily doable--I'd say the VAST majority of drivers run all seasons all year round and don't ever have serious issues.

[S204STi]

Not buying these "never had a problem" declarations...

I've had a RWD car with rear snows stuck in the deep stuff (off the edge of my 'rents groomed driveway in the mountains).  That was driver error.  Other than that, I drove it successfully in the snow for a season without issue.

[MX793]

5 Chicago winters, RWD, all-season tires. Drove several times in blizzards. Never had a problem. Don't know a single person who runs two sets of tires.

I apologize for disagreeing with the assertion that we're all stupid.

Did the same, except replace "Chicago" with "Syracuse" (much snowier).  Oh, and my RWD car didn't have any driver aids (ABS/TCS/ESP).

[VTEC_Inside]

Not buying these "never had a problem" declarations...

Whats not to buy?

I have as a fact never had a problem without having dedicated snows during my entire driving career. I've gotten stuck all of twice and it was because the snow was so deep the car got high sided on it. My closest incident was solely due to my stupidity.

I've even driven through a blizzard on worn out all-seasons that had little right to be used on a summers day without issue, I just drove ridiculously slow.

It seems the pro-snow crowd here are suggesting that a car will instantly swirl into a 360 the instant its all-season tires touch a surface near freezing.

[850CSi]

Did the same, except replace "Chicago" with "Syracuse" (much snowier).  Oh, and my RWD car didn't have any driver aids (ABS/TCS/ESP).

It seems the pro-snow crowd here are suggesting that a car will instantly swirl into a 360 the instant its all-season tires touch a surface near freezing.

Nah bros you guys are per se stupid for driving without winter tires/seat belts.

[Soup DeVille]

Not buying these "never had a problem" declarations...

If you look for the problems and avoid them, its not that hard to believe.

Have I ever really gotten in trouble driving with poor tires in the snow? No. But, I've also adjusted my driving accordingly, and sometimes avoided areas altogether that I wouldn't have to if i'd had the proper equipment.

[Rupert]

On the other hand, driving in the snow would be faster, easier, and wholly better with snows, and it's pretty hard to deny that.

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[Soup DeVille]

On the other hand, driving in the snow would be faster, easier, and wholly better with snows, and it's pretty hard to deny that.

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On the other hand, I once spent a couple of weeks driving a car around with one working brake; and never got into any trouble doing that either!

[850CSi]

On the other hand, driving in the snow would be faster, easier, and wholly better with snows, and it's pretty hard to deny that.

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On the other hand, not faster, easier, and wholly better enough to justify the assertion that not having two sets of tires = stupid . . . unless you live in Alaska.

[SVT666]

Stupid

[MexicoCityM3]

Impressed with all the testosterone-laden "I don't need no stinkin' snow tires meself, a REAL driver doesn't need that shit." going on here.

Everything about driving is managing traction on your 4 contact patches. Said traction is incredibly better on snow tires on snow vs all-seasons on snow. Why would anyone not want that added margin in a place with significant snow every year is beyond me.

[mzziaz]

Impressed with all the testosterone-laden "I don't need no stinkin' snow tires meself, a REAL driver doesn't need that shit." going on here.

Everything about driving is managing traction on your 4 contact patches. Said traction is incredibly better on snow tires on snow vs all-seasons on snow. Why would anyone not want that added margin in a place with significant snow every year is beyond me.

Very true.

[Habitual Speeder]

Impressed with all the testosterone-laden "I don't need no stinkin' snow tires meself, a REAL driver doesn't need that shit." going on here.

Everything about driving is managing traction on your 4 contact patches. Said traction is incredibly better on snow tires on snow vs all-seasons on snow. Why would anyone not want that added margin in a place with significant snow every year is beyond me.

Simply for the challenge. 

[Payman]

Mandating winter tires is fucking stupid. First of all, you can't predict when it snows. I've seen snow well into May back in my home province. Here in SoOntario, I pushed 3-4" of snow off my driveway 3 whole times last year, and we didn't have much more than 11 days of sub-zero temperatures. Secondly, snow tires and rims cost at least $1000/set. Mandating winter tires forces people to buy bald winter tires off Kijiji... tires that are far more dangerous than the all-seasons that were on their car. All in the name of a stupid provincial law. Lastly, many new all-season tires, like the Hankook Optimo 4S, are even better than many winter tires. Any way you cut it, Craig, BC can keep its communism ICBC, its carbon tax, and its stupid winter tire law. Remember, I lived there 6 years and my wife is from there, so I'm well aware of how such a beautiful place can be so ass-backward.

[Cookie Monster]

Mandating winter tires is fucking stupid. First of all, you can't predict when it snows. I've seen snow well into May back in my home province. Here in SoOntario, I pushed 3-4" of snow off my driveway 3 whole times last year, and we didn't have much more than 11 days of sub-zero temperatures. Secondly, snow tires and rims cost at least $1000/set. Mandating winter tires forces people to buy bald winter tires off Kijiji... tires that are far more dangerous than the all-seasons that were on their car. All in the name of a stupid provincial law. Lastly, many new all-season tires, like the Hankook Optimo 4S, are even better than many winter tires. Any way you cut it, Craig, BC can keep its communism ICBC, its carbon tax, and its stupid winter tire law. Remember, I lived there 6 years and my wife is from there, so I'm well aware of how such a beautiful place can be so ass-backward.

I agree (besides the BC part since I've never lived there). Buying shitty used tires (which is what many people can only afford) would be a terrible idea in the snow instead of just using what they already have, provided what they already have is in better condition.

[Payman]

I agree (besides the BC part since I've never lived there). Buying shitty used tires (which is what many people can only afford) would be a terrible idea in the snow instead of just using what they already have, provided what they already have is in better condition.

I wouldn't be surprised if some 80% buy used over new just so they are in compliance with the law.

[850CSi]

Impressed with all the testosterone-laden "I don't need no stinkin' snow tires meself, a REAL driver doesn't need that shit." going on here.

I think you're misunderstanding the argument.

I think snow tires are an excellent investment. I just don't think it makes you an irresponsible stupid person to drive in the snow without them, I don't think they're remotely the same thing as seat belts, and I don't think they should be mandatory.

[Payman]

I think you're misunderstanding the argument.

I think snow tires are an excellent investment. I just don't think it makes you an irresponsible stupid person to drive in the snow without them, I don't think they're remotely the same thing as seat belts, and I don't think they should be mandatory.

Exactly the way I see it.

[VTEC_Inside]

I think you're misunderstanding the argument.

I think snow tires are an excellent investment. I just don't think it makes you an irresponsible stupid person to drive in the snow without them, I don't think they're remotely the same thing as seat belts, and I don't think they should be mandatory.

^This^

[MexicoCityM3]

I think you're misunderstanding the argument.

I think snow tires are an excellent investment. I just don't think it makes you an irresponsible stupid person to drive in the snow without them, I don't think they're remotely the same thing as seat belts, and I don't think they should be mandatory.

Got it. However, there is some line beyond which it would be irresponsible. I can't place it very well but think about this. Say for example you lived in Alaska and decided that all-seasons were fine. It would probably be as irresponsible as going on a camping trip without enough equipment for the conditions you would likely face. Can you manage with less? Possibly. Responsible. Probably not.

It is a matter of degree. If all you get are say, 10 days of snow per year I'd think all seasons are responsible. If however you get more than a month, that would probably cross that line in my opinion.