C7 Corvette

[FlatBlackCaddy]

And even after it's burnt to a crisp it would still be worth more than the chevy.

[hotrodalex]

Your Million dollar Porsche wouldn't make the race cuz it would burn itself to a crisp at the gas pump. 

[GoCougs]

Ha ha toaster strudel!

[Raza]

What a victory, he completed one track event in a 100k dollar car on it's second motor within a few thousand miles.

Was gm there at the finish line with a press crew and champagne?

[12,000 RPM]

Good work guys

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Came across this over at the Corvette forum...got a chuckle out of it.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Chevy Chief Engineer Tadge Juechter gives an answer to the Z06 overheating problems here. 

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/ask-tadge/3610770-answered-car-overheating-issues-on-track.html

[SVT666]

That doesn't address the ECU programming at all.

[hotrodalex]

That doesn't address the ECU programming at all.

Good thing he said "addressed the heating problems", then.

[SVT666]

I think the overheating problems are pretty minor compared to the ECU problem.

[hotrodalex]

I think the overheating problems are pretty minor compared to the ECU problem.

Okay well email him asking for an answer or something. His explanation of the overheating was good, not sure why you're hatin on him for that.

[GoCougs]

So IOW there is no overheating or ECU "problem".

[GoCougs]

Well, there is with 8AT I guess, but that's not a "problem". ALL slushie ATs will overheat fairly quickly by definition.

[r0tor]

They design for 86 deg F???? Good god what a bunch of incompetent Nimrods.  He pretty much also explains they engineer the car for the 99% of owners who do not track the car, not the 1% that does... You know despite developing a Z07 appearance package for down force on race tracks and all that other hooplah.

Pathetic sports car engineering.  Plain and simple.

[12,000 RPM]

Lol the hate. Come on guys.

86F is kind of BS though, not unreasonable for tracks to reach temps way higher than ambient when it's sunny. Track temps at the Malaysian Moto GP track were above 130F on Monday.

[hotrodalex]

Lol the hate. Come on guys.

86F is kind of BS though, not unreasonable for tracks to reach temps way higher than ambient when it's sunny. Track temps at the Malaysian Moto GP track were above 130F on Monday.

I'd like to know what temperature other companies design for.

[MX793]

At least half of the US sees ambient temps of 86 or more on a semi regular basis in the summer.  Was this designed for use in Alaska?  Sorry, that's just plain under engineering and poor design requirement/parameter selection.

[SVT666]

The car is under engineered. Plain and simple.

[SVT666]

Lol the hate. Come on guys.

86F is kind of BS though, not unreasonable for tracks to reach temps way higher than ambient when it's sunny. Track temps at the Malaysian Moto GP track were above 130F on Monday.

So which is it?  We're haters, or we expect a car company to engineer the car to be able to do what it's competitors can do?  You say so yourself that 86F is a bit ridiculous.

[12,000 RPM]

So which is it?  We're haters, or we expect a car company to engineer the car to be able to do what it's competitors can do?  You say so yourself that 86F is a bit ridiculous.

Both. The level of emotional investment in this faux pas is a couple shades past ridiculous. GM dun goofed. So wat? The people screaming the loudest about this injustice are never going to buy this car. And I'm sure the aftermarket will swoop in for solutions to GM's follies just as they have for decades.

Like I said GM put 100lb of shit in a 5lb bag. If u really want a track car u will buy a track car. An old C5 with big wheels/tires/brakes and mild suspension/engine work will run similar lap times for like 1/3 the price.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Haters keep hating.

Look, a GM mouthpiece came out and clearly stated that the company that writes his checks didn't do anything wrong. what the hell more do you people need for proof?

[hotrodalex]

At least half of the US sees ambient temps of 86 or more on a semi regular basis in the summer.  Was this designed for use in Alaska?  Sorry, that's just plain under engineering and poor design requirement/parameter selection.

Only if it's a lower design parameter than other manufacturers.

[Galaxy]

I'd like to know what temperature other companies design for.

Well for the VW Phaeton, Piëch demanded that it be able to drive at 155mph all day, at 122F, while maintaining an interior temperature of 72F. That should be put into Marriam Webster as the definition of over engineering. 

[Eye of the Tiger]

Both. The level of emotional investment in this faux pas is a couple shades past ridiculous. GM dun goofed. So wat? The people screaming the loudest about this injustice are never going to buy this car. And I'm sure the aftermarket will swoop in for solutions to GM's follies just as they have for decades.

Like I said GM put 100lb of shit in a 5lb bag. If u really want a track car u will buy a track car. An old C5 with big wheels/tires/brakes and mild suspension/engine work will run similar lap times for like 1/3 the price.

What relevance is the weight of the bag compared to the weight of the contents, unless you are specifically considering the material and construction of the bag? With the information given, one cannot determine whether or not the bag is a suitable container. In this case, where the goal is to overflow a container with feces, it would be much more appropriate to specify units of volume. For example: "GM put ten-gallons of shit in a five-gallon bucket."

[GoCougs]

This issue is very good education for haters and fans alike. Cars are designed to a spec and will be ever more so as competition and design/manufacturing technology advances.

So Z06s are flying off the shelf like never before, and that is the goal.

[GoCougs]

Well for the VW Phaeton, Piëch demanded that it be able to drive at 155mph all day, at 122F, while maintaining an interior temperature of 72F. That should be put into Marriam Webster as the definition of over engineering. 

VW should have put that "over engineering" into making the electronics of the car actually somewhat reliable rather into a spec that will benefit precisely 0% of buyers.

[hotrodalex]

What relevance is the weight of the bag compared to the weight of the contents, unless you are specifically considering the material and construction of the bag? With the information given, one cannot determine whether or not the bag is a suitable container. In this case, where the goal is to overflow a container with feces, it would be much more appropriate to specify units of volume. For example: "GM put ten-gallons of shit in a five-gallon bucket."

lol

[SVT666]

Both. The level of emotional investment in this faux pas is a couple shades past ridiculous. GM dun goofed. So wat? The people screaming the loudest about this injustice are never going to buy this car. And I'm sure the aftermarket will swoop in for solutions to GM's follies just as they have for decades.

Like I said GM put 100lb of shit in a 5lb bag. If u really want a track car u will buy a track car. An old C5 with big wheels/tires/brakes and mild suspension/engine work will run similar lap times for like 1/3 the price.

Actually the people screaming the loudest are the people that bought the car and found out their new car only makes the advertised horsepower once a day. 

[12,000 RPM]

This issue is very good education for haters and fans alike. Cars are designed to a spec and will be ever more so as competition and design/manufacturing technology advances.

So Z06s are flying off the shelf like never before, and that is the goal.

Yah the Z06 is a marketing exercise and a prosthetic penis for most of the folks buying it. Folks who can legit afford six figure toys who want to do serious track days regularly have better options IMO. "Track day specials" are past the point of absurdity IMO. This whole overheating debacle is proof of that.

[GoCougs]

There are only a few legit "track day specials" that one can buy factory new and the Z06 isn't one of them (no F/I car is).