Next gen Titan to offer Cummins V8

[Rupert]

I mean you're right, ATVers are more frequently morons [...]

Well, that was my only point.

[Rupert]

I'm not going to say they're entirely wrong, but I'm going to disagree on a few points.

1: There are people who really do use these trucks in a manner where their capabilities are useful, They don't have to always be using 100% of their capacity to justify that anymore than Corvette and Ferrari owners do.

2: Just because a certain type of vehicle tends to draw douchebag drivers, it doesn't mean that you need to be a douchebag in order to drive one.

I addressed both in my first post on the topic, actually.

[Soup DeVille]

I addressed both in my first post on the topic, actually.

Yes, but I disagree that trucks are necessarily a strictly utilitarian item. Clearly, a lot of trucks sell because people simply like them.

[hotrodalex]

Diesel's MPG advantage might not save you money, but it can save time on a long trip. When we hauled our Baja cars up to Washington the truck had to stop every 160 miles for fuel. A diesel with longer range would have been nice.

[GoCougs]

I will say, I absolutely hate going to the gas station.

[veeman]

"  Spending thousands upon thousands to sit on top of a relatively slow moving, stinky, beast of an animal? I don't get it, not one bit.

I think it's much more sensible to ATV."


i don't horseback ride but to control and yet respect a live beast, surrounded by nature, feeling the wind in your face has gotta be very cool.  Who doesn't want to be a cowboy sometimes?  The movie City slickers sums it up. 

[S204STi]

Yeah, horses are pretty awesome beasts.  There's something truly epic about sitting atop a horse at full gallop.

[Secret Chimp]

Horses are kind of fun but they're also like the weight of a car and as smart as a dumb dog, which makes them kind of scary.

[MX793]

Horses are kind of fun but they're also like the weight of a car and as smart as a dumb dog, which makes them kind of scary.

Not to mention that if you get thrown off of your ATV, it's because you did something stupid.  A horse may throw you for any number of reasons, ranging from something spooking the animal (snake, loud noise nearby...) or "just because".  And when you're not using them, you still need to feed them and care for them.  When not using an ATV, you park it in your garage and can pretty much forget about it.

[Rupert]

Then again, ATVs are loud, dusty, unsafe, owned by idiots... You get the point. I imagine there is a "connection" a person has with a horse that's similar to that which people obviously have with their dog and that is obviously missing on an ATV.

Like I said, I'm not a horse person, but they do compare favorably to ATVs in terms of the outdoors experience, if not the care and feeding part.

[Cookie Monster]

Then again, ATVs are loud, dusty, unsafe, owned by idiots... You get the point. I imagine there is a "connection" a person has with a horse that's similar to that which people obviously have with their dog and that is obviously missing on an ATV.

Like I said, I'm not a horse person, but they do compare favorably to ATVs in terms of the outdoors experience, if not the care and feeding part.

You could probably have an emotional connection to an ATV, just like most of us love our cars. It's probably not like an emotional connection with a live animal, but I'm sure someone out there loves their ATV to death.

I'd love to ride a horse, but the fact that you can be thrown off for no reason just seems too scary for me.

[Rupert]

If you have an emotional connection to your ATV, then you're a special kind of redneck.

I would wager that per hour ridden, ATVs are more dangerous than horses.

[Cookie Monster]

I'd also wager that ATV riders in general are a lot dumber than horse riders.

[hotrodalex]

ATVs are probably more dangerous due to the whole rolling on top of you problem. Dirt bikes solve that, though...

[SVT666]

Who gives a fuck?

[Soup DeVille]

Who gives a fuck?

The International Conlgomerate of Fuck Givers, that's who.

[Mustangfan2003]

I've ridden ATVs for years.  They are fine as long as you use a helmet and don't do anything stupid like doing jumps and what not.  I've driven a Yamaha Banshee before, which is one of the fastest ones you can buy.  It was a lot of fun but not something I'd want to drive all the time.   It's also best to not go on a very rugged trail alone. 

[Cookie Monster]

I've ridden ATVs for years.  They are fine as long as you use a helmet and don't do anything stupid like doing jumps and what not.  I've driven a Yamaha Banshee before, which is one of the fastest ones you can buy.  It was a lot of fun but not something I'd want to drive all the time.   It's also best to not go on a very rugged trail alone. 

What's the fun in owning an ATV if you're not going to take it off any sweet jumps?

[Soup DeVille]

Quads, as far as I can tell, only really have an advantage over dirtbikes when it comes to sand, and there's not much of that around here. Side by sides are more useful in general, but damn: they're expensive. Like decent used Jeep expensive.

[MX793]

In rough or uneven terrain (including sand), I'll take a bike over a quad any day.  Really the only sand where quads gain any sort of edge is that deep, soft, smooth stuff you encounter in dune seas.  The kind of sand you can ride a snowmobile through.

[hotrodalex]

Utility quads and side by sides are cool since they can be useful and fun at the same time, but I agree that regular riding is better on a bike.

[MX793]

Utility quads and side by sides are cool since they can be useful and fun at the same time, but I agree that regular riding is better on a bike.

Bikes are superior on off-cambers, side slopes, and can cover uneven ground more quickly than something with side-by-side wheels (quads, utes, or trikes).  When you get into conditions where you have a bump on the left and a dip on the right followed by a bump on the right and a dip on the left, vehicles with side-by-side wheels start getting bucked and they have to slow down (and even then the riders take some abuse as they're tossed side to side).  As a relatively inexpensive, light utility vehicle or runabout for farmers or other people with land to tend to, they make sense.  For pure recreational purposes, a bike is superior in most circumstances.  However, a bike does require a bit more skill to ride, and I think that's part of the reason ATVs are so much more popular as recreational vehicles.

[Soup DeVille]

In rough or uneven terrain (including sand), I'll take a bike over a quad any day.  Really the only sand where quads gain any sort of edge is that deep, soft, smooth stuff you encounter in dune seas.  The kind of sand you can ride a snowmobile through.

Yes, I did mean dune sand. They're also useful in some snow conditions. In general though, I don't like them.

[Mustangfan2003]

What's the fun in owning an ATV if you're not going to take it off any sweet jumps?

What's fun about being in a wheelchair?

[Soup DeVille]

What's fun about being in a wheelchair?

Mom? I thought I told you enough internet for today.

[Rupert]

What's fun about being in a wheelchair?

Parking, sympathy sex, wheelchair rugby.

[Secret Chimp]

I don't understand how people in wheelchairs don't die often of deep vein thrombosis or something from hardly ever moving their legs. People who can walk die from that shit from sitting on the plane too long!

[SVT666]

Sooooooo, trucks and diesels are cool.

[MX793]

I want a diesel ATV

[giant_mtb]

My god. You people sure hate powersports. I thought this was a place where anything that can go fast and has an engine is like...the point of existence.

My guess is that people like Cougs hate powersports because they have very little experience of their own with them and what experience they did have proved that they can't even handle a basic 4-wheeler. So he just assumes that everyone else is just as bad/stupid at riding them.