Super cheap, shitbox thread!

[2o6]

I haven't driven the Mirage, but I don't have high hopes (and given the sales targets, neither does Mitsubishi)


The Spark is actually not a bad little car, but the powertrain reminds you that it isn't actually a GM car, but rather a Daewoo in drag. It also looks goofy.

The Versa has a lot of legroom, but it really is pretty bad to drive. And looks fucking terrible.


Pick your poision

[S204STi]

The Spark/Sonic are the only Chevy cars I wouldn't consider owning for any reason.  The Versa is at least a Nissan, and I have always had a soft spot for those.  Don't know much about the other Mirage except that it's made by a company that has made exactly two vehicle I'd ever want to own, so Versa it is.

[2o6]

Sonic is probably the best driving car in the class.



If you're concerned of the Korean origins, then don't fuck with the Cruze either.


I fucking love the Sonic.

[CALL_911]

Why no Mazda2? That's my pick

[Onslaught]

The spark is an ugly little POS that I wouldn't be seen in.
I hate all Mitsubishi's and wouldn't buy any of them.

So by default I'l take he Nissan.

[S204STi]

Sonic is probably the best driving car in the class.



If you're concerned of the Korean origins, then don't fuck with the Cruze either.


I fucking love the Sonic.

The Korean thing doesn't necessarily bother me; Hyundai/Kia make several cars that I could see myself owning.  I just don't like the looks of the bottom-tier GM cars, and I'm suspicious of their build quality and longevity.

[12,000 RPM]

I'm gonna write in the Mazda2 as well. I wonder if Mazda is going to "SkyActivate" it. It could be a monster with the 2.0L.

[2o6]

I'm gonna write in the Mazda2 as well. I wonder if Mazda is going to "SkyActivate" it. It could be a monster with the 2.0L.

I I allow the Mazda 2, I have to allow the sonic, fit, fiesta, etc.

The Mazda 2 is still like 2K more expensive.

The Korean thing doesn't necessarily bother me; Hyundai/Kia make several cars that I could see myself owning.  I just don't like the looks of the bottom-tier GM cars, and I'm suspicious of their build quality and longevity.

If it makes you feel better, at the Chevy dealer I work at, we don't have hardly any problems with the Spark.


However, I am weary of the Cruze.

[Onslaught]

The mazda2 is a joy to do a handbrake J turn in.

[Northlands]

The spark is an ugly little POS that I wouldn't be seen in.
I hate all Mitsubishi's and wouldn't buy any of them.

So by default I'l take he Nissan.

+1

[Vinsanity]

I I allow the Mazda 2, I have to allow the sonic, fit, fiesta, etc.

The Mazda 2 is still like 2K more expensive.

I dunno how much of a difference it makes to someone buying new $12k cars, but the Mazda 2 is like $800 more than the Versa on Truecar.

[Raza]

Among these three, the Mitsubishi is the best looking (when was the last time anyone said that?).  The Nissan looks like shit and I've never driven a Nissan that was really all that good and the Chevy is a pair of headlamps with a couple of wheels behind it.  Assuming they all drive terribly, looks is the only differentiator, so I'll take the Mitsubishi.

[MrH]

Can I write in the cube?

[2o6]

Can I write in the cube?

No

[MrH]

:-(

[S204STi]

I I allow the Mazda 2, I have to allow the sonic, fit, fiesta, etc.

The Mazda 2 is still like 2K more expensive.

If it makes you feel better, at the Chevy dealer I work at, we don't have hardly any problems with the Spark.


However, I am weary of the Cruze.

I don't work on many, but my impressions of the Cruze are favorable so far.

[2o6]

I don't work on many, but my impressions of the Cruze are favorable so far.

From what I have seen


- Trans is goofy, it holds neutral as often as possible and it has different issues (our Courtesy Shuttle is a Cruze 1.4T automatic), our shuttle Cruze got stuck in 3rd the other day.

- The 1.4T has turbo issues; having issues with oil consumption and leaks on the bottom end of the motor

- Headgasket

- Water pump

[Madman]

The Versa looks like a third world taxi and the Mirage is still an unknown quantity made by a company on perpetual life support.

Chevy Spark wins by default.  As mentioned earlier, the Spark is relatively trouble-free and there's a Chevy dealer on every corner.

[S204STi]

From what I have seen


- Trans is goofy, it holds neutral as often as possible and it has different issues (our Courtesy Shuttle is a Cruze 1.4T automatic), our shuttle Cruze got stuck in 3rd the other day.

- The 1.4T has turbo issues; having issues with oil consumption and leaks on the bottom end of the motor

- Headgasket

- Water pump

Water pumps are common across the board right now, feels like every other Acadia we see needs one.

Teething issues, sounds like.

The overall fit/finish looks nice, it has a solid ride, and being a detail-oriented person, I'm impressed that they used a watts-linkage in the rear.  Like they're actually trying, or something.

[12,000 RPM]

It blows me away that manufacturers still have problems with basic part design

If you had a water pump design that worked before why would you change it drastically

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[2o6]

Water pumps are common across the board right now, feels like every other Acadia we see needs one.

Teething issues, sounds like.

The overall fit/finish looks nice, it has a solid ride, and being a detail-oriented person, I'm impressed that they used a watts-linkage in the rear.  Like they're actually trying, or something.

The Cruze and Sonic have really good manual shifters one of my favorites to use right now.


The Sonic has basically the same fit and finish as the Cruze, but the entire car is lighter and more focused.


Also, Eco models dont have the watts linkage

[Onslaught]

It blows me away that manufacturers still have problems with basic part design

If you had a water pump design that worked before why would you change it drastically

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I personally believe that engineers feel the need to come up with new ways to do things to keep their jobs. It's the only reason I can come up with why Ford changes things so much every few years from something that worked and was easy to work on to something that is fucked up beyond belief.

[MrH]

It blows me away that manufacturers still have problems with basic part design

If you had a water pump design that worked before why would you change it drastically

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This post says so much...

[S204STi]

I personally believe that engineers feel the need to come up with new ways to do things to keep their jobs. It's the only reason I can come up with why Ford changes things so much every few years from something that worked and was easy to work on to something that is fucked up beyond belief.

It's not an engineering problem in this case, it's a combination of supplier and manufacturing issues.  There's one open recall to check and top off coolant level in a shitload of Acadia and Enclave vehicles due to incorrect fills at the factory... thing is, the PDA monkey should be catching that, and/or the tech who does the first oil change.  That low level can apparently burn up the seals.  In most cases however it's just a shitty part, and they need to fire their supplier.

[Onslaught]

It's not an engineering problem in this case, it's a combination of supplier and manufacturing issues.  There's one open recall to check and top off coolant level in a shitload of Acadia and Enclave vehicles due to incorrect fills at the factory... thing is, the PDA monkey should be catching that, and/or the tech who does the first oil change.  That low level can apparently burn up the seals.  In most cases however it's just a shitty part, and they need to fire their supplier.

I'm just thinking more in the line of "we've made these door handles work this way for 10 years. So lets change it even if things work great to something that's 8 million times more complicated for no reason."

[ifcar]

Maybe sometimes the designs are changed so they can either be cheaper or so that they can fit a wider variety of products?

[Onslaught]

Maybe sometimes the designs are changed so they can either be cheaper or so that they can fit a wider variety of products?

That's the strange thing about Ford right now. In the past one car was similar to another. Same kind of screws, clips and stuff like that. Now a Focus and a Fusion don't use any of the same shit. If you started taking one apart and the the other without knowing what a Ford was you'd think two these are from two different makers.

[Secret Chimp]

I personally believe that engineers feel the need to come up with new ways to do things to keep their jobs. It's the only reason I can come up with why Ford changes things so much every few years from something that worked and was easy to work on to something that is fucked up beyond belief.

The way they made the 4.0 V6 a SOHC engine (timing gears on either end of the crankshaft, one gear for each cylinder head!) is a work of cheapass genius, though.

[Payman]

Just shoot me and get it over with.

[S204STi]

To be honest... This debate is like the engineering equivalent of being a luddite. If engineers never developed new designs we'd still be stuck driving around in Model Ts.  Some designs flop, others are so good they just need minor evolutions over time, such as the Small Block.