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Started by FoMoJo, August 26, 2014, 05:59:31 AM

2o6

It looks very old-school East-Asian luxury.



No one would buy it.

CALL_911

I don't see it doing well here, but I 100% dig it


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Xer0

Those suede/cloth seats look horrible.  I just associate leather with luxury so heavily that seeing that just confuses me so much since the center console and the door trim look fantastic and I don't know if I'm looking at a top of the line Bentley or a lowly Civic.

2o6

Quote from: Xer0 on October 09, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
Those suede/cloth seats look horrible.  I just associate leather with luxury so heavily that seeing that just confuses me so much since the center console and the door trim look fantastic and I don't know if I'm looking at a top of the line Bentley or a lowly Civic.


It's the sickly grey that makes it worse.

Cookie Monster

Quote from: Xer0 on October 09, 2017, 03:31:18 PM
Those suede/cloth seats look horrible.  I just associate leather with luxury so heavily that seeing that just confuses me so much since the center console and the door trim look fantastic and I don't know if I'm looking at a top of the line Bentley or a lowly Civic.

The suede/cloth La-z-boy recliners are the fucking best. I'd love a set of those in a car.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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MX793

Those seats are probably upholstered in really high end wool.

But velour...  Velour was the zenith of luxury.
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Cookie Monster on October 09, 2017, 03:59:20 PM
The suede/cloth La-z-boy recliners are the fucking best. I'd love a set of those in a car.
Then buy an old Delta 88 :lol:

Leather is a pretty shitty seating material. Ice cold in the winter, searing hot in the summer, shitty for cows and the environment. I'm OK with cloth or synthetics. The problem with the Crown is it looks like that poverty spec mouse fur that came in the absolute cheapest of the cheap decades ago. IT's weird.

Also big luxury sedans are increasingly irrelevant; this thing is an ideological relic. Toyota needs something to go up against the likes of the Range Rover, GLS etc.
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MX793

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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 09, 2017, 04:36:33 PM
Then buy an old Delta 88 :lol:

Leather is a pretty shitty seating material. Ice cold in the winter, searing hot in the summer, shitty for cows and the environment. I'm OK with cloth or synthetics. The problem with the Crown is it looks like that poverty spec mouse fur that came in the absolute cheapest of the cheap decades ago. IT's weird.

Also big luxury sedans are increasingly irrelevant; this thing is an ideological relic. Toyota needs something to go up against the likes of the Range Rover, GLS etc.

The Century is a limo.  I doubt many are sold to individuals.  They're mostly used to haul around heads of state, diplomats, and other VIPs.
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68_427

Quote from: MX793 on October 09, 2017, 04:43:05 PM
The Century is a limo.  I doubt many are sold to individuals.  They're mostly used to haul around heads of state, diplomats, and other VIPs.

Yeah you can't just go to a Toyota dealer and order a Century like a normal model.  You have to be somebody, and Toyota has a say.  The Century is basically the last car purchase many people make before they die.  In Japanese business tycoon culture there is nothing above the Century.  When you buy a Century you've reached the very top of your field.  You own the fucking place.
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93JC

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 07, 2017, 02:45:07 PM
Do pickups count?

No, because GM never put Northstar V8s in pickups.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: 93JC on October 09, 2017, 11:42:21 PM
No, because GM never put Northstar V8s in pickups.
They never put Northstars in the CTS or Camaro either. I thought you were talking about V8s in general
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93JC

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Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 10, 2017, 06:14:33 AM
They never put Northstars in the CTS or Camaro either. I thought you were talking about V8s in general

What I meant—in direct response to FoMoJo—was that they didn't "go back to the simple OHV pushrod": they just stopped making cars with V8s, except for the handful that had the small-block to begin with. Cars that had Northstars were either replaced with successors with V6s (STS, DTS) or weren't replaced at all (XLR). In a sense he was right that they "gave up on the Northstar" but I think that's a mischaracterization considering—as I pointed out earlier—they made Northstar engines for 20 years.

EDIT: Now, they definitely did give up on the 3.5 L V6 based on the Northstar V8, and did the same with the "TwinDualCam" 3.4 L Chevy V6 that powered some of the top-of-the-line W-body cars in the early to mid-'90s. They effecitvely replaced those engines with the supercharged 3.8 L, which in some ways was a definite step backward. Poor product planning ended up fucking GM over in the mid-2000s pre-bankruptcy when they developed the "High Value" (pushrod) and "High Feature" (DOHC) V6s. They never should have made the "High Value" in the first place; they only made them for eight years, and were demonstrably worse than the "High Feature" V6s. Almost every car that had a "High Value" V6 in it—Saturn Aura, Chevy Impala/Monte Carlo, Pontiac G6—had it replaced with the "High Feature" V6 before the end of the model's production run. (The crappy '04-'07 Malibu with the "High Value" V6 was such a dud it was replaced entirely for the 2008 model year.)

93JC

With respect to the Toyota Century I think it's cool Toyota still makes such a car, one that hasn't been reimagined in the mould of the prototypical German sports-sedan or ostentatious Rolls-Royces and Bentleys. They are perfectly at peace with the car's design and mission: to appease conservative Japanese businessmen who are unimpressed by cow hide. It's an amusing return to the days of yore when cloth seats were the expensive option whilst leather, and later naugahyde and other such synthetic replacements, were the trappings of cheap base models.

Cookie Monster

Quote from: 93JC on October 10, 2017, 01:42:26 PM
With respect to the Toyota Century I think it's cool Toyota still makes such a car, one that hasn't been reimagined in the mould of the prototypical German sports-sedan or ostentatious Rolls-Royces and Bentleys. They are perfectly at peace with the car's design and mission: to appease conservative Japanese businessmen who are unimpressed by cow hide. It's an amusing return to the days of yore when cloth seats were the expensive option whilst leather, and later naugahyde and other such synthetic replacements, were the trappings of cheap base models.

The pass through front seat footrest is so cool. Such a "fuck you" luxury car.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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2 4 R

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CaminoRacer

RR layout helps. The surprising part (to me) is that the ignition key still works. I would've thought the wire snapped or got disconnected, since it's gotta run the length of the frame back to the engine.
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Soup DeVille

Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
RR layout helps. The surprising part (to me) is that the ignition key still works. I would've thought the wire snapped or got disconnected, since it's gotta run the length of the frame back to the engine.

He's clearly having issues with the throttle and clutch. Gotta assume both are a tad out of adjustment.
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93JC

Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 12, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
RR layout helps. The surprising part (to me) is that the ignition key still works. I would've thought the wire snapped or got disconnected, since it's gotta run the length of the frame back to the engine.

More impressive to me is that it looks like it's water-cooled, and isn't (visibly) overheating. I would have thought the hoses to the radiator would have popped loose.

FoMoJo

Brakes lights still worked too.
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Quote from: 93JC on October 12, 2017, 04:23:02 PM
More impressive to me is that it looks like it's water-cooled, and isn't (visibly) overheating. I would have thought the hoses to the radiator would have popped loose.

It's not.

The Brazilian models got that goofy black plastic on the front, but they were still aircooled.

Edit; it might be. After 2005 the old flat four was replaced there with an inline 4 with a proper radiator.
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93JC

Pretty sure the "goofy black plastic on the front" is the distinguishing feature of water-cooled ones...

giant_mtb

Detailing a Charger today.  Was shuffling cars around the driveway...apparently if the door is open, the transmission automatically goes back into park. 

Raza

Quote from: giant_mtb on October 13, 2017, 08:11:26 AM
Detailing a Charger today.  Was shuffling cars around the driveway...apparently if the door is open, the transmission automatically goes back into park.

What year is the car? I wonder if it has that because of what happened to Anton Yelchin (if it's the same transmission).
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giant_mtb

Quote from: Raza  on October 13, 2017, 08:14:56 AM
What year is the car? I wonder if it has that because of what happened to Anton Yelchin (if it's the same transmission).

It's newer, probably a few years old, only has 48k on it.  A quick Google shows that this feature was integrated as a software update/recall to stop people from leaving their car in gear while exiting the vehicle. ...because the shifter in these things is atrociously non-intuitive.

Raza

Quote from: giant_mtb on October 13, 2017, 08:16:47 AM
It's newer, probably a few years old, only has 48k on it.  A quick Google shows that this feature was integrated as a software update/recall to stop people from leaving their car in gear while exiting the vehicle. ...because the shifter in these things is atrociously non-intuitive.

Yeah, that's probably a response to his death.
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MX793

Quote from: Raza  on October 13, 2017, 08:23:06 AM
Yeah, that's probably a response to his death.

I believe it was for Fiat Chrysler products.  I believe the feature was already used by other makes using the same transmission (BMW, maybe?).
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giant_mtb

Yeah I think BMW has a shifter like this.  Or audi.  Or both.  It sucks.  If you have to put instructions on the screen about how to use the shifter, shouldn't you try a different shifter design?  :shakesfist: