The Official Sixth Gen Camaro Thread!

[Morris Minor]

Unless you saw a mule (or a 2015), the new 2016s aren't out for sale yet.  They won't hit the streets until sometime this autumn.

I'm pretty sure it was the new one - it did not have license plates - my daily route home takes me on a side road running behind where all the major car dealers are located. It definitely triggered the hyperaware "have not seen that car before" circuitry that all SPINners have. 

[MX793]

I'm pretty sure it was the new one - it did not have license plates - my daily route home takes me on a side road running behind where all the major car dealers are located. It definitely triggered the hyperaware "have not seen that car before" circuitry that all SPINners have. 

If it's a 2016, it was a pre-pro or there for some kind of auto show.  Production has not started on 2016s yet.  Full specs aren't even out yet.

[68_427]

There have been a bunch of 2016s spotted

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I haven't seen one yet, but I'm pretty sure I've felt a couple go by me when I was on the bridge occasionally.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

I haven't seen one yet, but I'm pretty sure I've felt a couple go by me when I was on the bridge occasionally.

You'd feel a Fiat go by if you in that miata.......

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/22/2016-chevy-camaro-convertible-leaked-photos/

[SVT666]

I have to see it in person.  That front end isn't doing it for me at all.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/22/2016-chevy-camaro-convertible-leaked-photos/

My, that is breathtakingly ugly.

[SVT666]

The new Chevy Cruze looks better than the new Camaro.

[GoCougs]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/06/22/2016-chevy-camaro-convertible-leaked-photos/

That actually looks good (esp. with the top up) for a convertible (and I'm not a fan in general) - definitely better than most.

[SJ_GTI]

The new Chevy Cruze looks better than the new Camaro.

It looks like a Volt. Not bad, but nothing remotely similar to a Camaro. You may think the Volt looks better than the Camaro, but I doubt most people would agree. 

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

The new Chevy Cruze looks better than the new Camaro.

[68_427]

Another fan dreamer photoshop.

[Raza]

Windows are too big. DLO lets too much DL in the O.

[2o6]

I'm a little upset that this is a new platform and the styling is basically the same as the old csr

[GoCougs]

That ZL1 is a 'shop and mimics the wheels, hood bulge, spoiler and splitter from the 2015 car. I was a bit disappointed at first but though the new Camaro has the same styling cues as the old but put 'em next to each other and they are very different cars in and out. Evolutionary styling is the way to keep a marque alive - 911, Corvette, 3er, now Mustang.

[12,000 RPM]

I liked how the Mustang looked completely different with each iteration. Kept things interesting.

[GoCougs]

I liked how the Mustang looked completely different with each iteration. Kept things interesting.

Well, sometimes the Mustang did, and sometimes it did not. Ford's error with the S197 is letting it languish for 5 years too long. The market these days won't put up with that (and sorta didn't considering the 5th Camaro easily bested it in sales for five years straight). Bold new styling is risky these days - the competition is absolutely insane for budget-ish performance cars - it's no longer just Camaro vs. Mustang.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Let the fun begin.
http://wot.motortrend.com/1508_spied_chevrolet_camaro_zl1_cant_hide_its_heat_extractor.html

[12,000 RPM]

Well, sometimes the Mustang did, and sometimes it did not. Ford's error with the S197 is letting it languish for 5 years too long. The market these days won't put up with that (and sorta didn't considering the 5th Camaro easily bested it in sales for five years straight). Bold new styling is risky these days - the competition is absolutely insane for budget-ish performance cars - it's no longer just Camaro vs. Mustang.

Performance car markets are silo'd by image/configuration though. I have a single buddy with a Challenger SRT8. Works for him, he works from home, no responsibilities, doesn't do any kind of handy work. Has a custom license plate that reads "DIXI" He wouldnt be caught dead in a little hot hatch. Meanwhile as much as I respect and like muscle cars, their image still makes me snarl, their space inefficiency is deplorable and their impracticality is pretty much a deal breaker for me. So I think there are a lot of cars in the same price and performance bracket but there's not that much cross shopping outside of the little configuration silos. A Camaro SS and Golf R both cost like $37-40K and get to 60 in the low 4s... thats about where the similarities end.

[GoCougs]

Performance car markets are silo'd by image/configuration though. I have a single buddy with a Challenger SRT8. Works for him, he works from home, no responsibilities, doesn't do any kind of handy work. Has a custom license plate that reads "DIXI" He wouldnt be caught dead in a little hot hatch. Meanwhile as much as I respect and like muscle cars, their image still makes me snarl, their space inefficiency is deplorable and their impracticality is pretty much a deal breaker for me. So I think there are a lot of cars in the same price and performance bracket but there's not that much cross shopping outside of the little configuration silos. A Camaro SS and Golf R both cost like $37-40K and get to 60 in the low 4s... thats about where the similarities end.

Not sure what you're stating. Used to be the Camaro + Mustang sold well more than 100,000/year each. Let's take 1986 - Mustang sold 226k and the Camaro 192k. Considering the market was far smaller then, that's like selling 350k+ each today. Why hasn't market share held? People still like budget(ish) performance cars, there are just far more available than in 1986 - Challenger, WRX, Genesis Coupe, (downmarket) 370Z, MS3, etc.

[12,000 RPM]

Not sure what you're stating. Used to be the Camaro + Mustang sold well more than 100,000/year each. Let's take 1986 - Mustang sold 226k and the Camaro 192k. Considering the market was far smaller then, that's like selling 350k+ each today. Why hasn't market share held? People still like budget(ish) performance cars, there are just far more available than in 1986 - Challenger, WRX, Genesis Coupe, (downmarket) 370Z, MS3, etc.

Not necessarily..... back in 86, people absolutely loved coupes... it could def be argued that there is a ~$30K performance model from most brands that replaced old coupes from 86. Beretta-> Sonic RS, Daytona -> defunct SRT-4s, Probe/Thunderbird->Fieasta/Focus STs, Prelude -> Civic Si, 200SX->Juke NISMO etc. etc. So I wouldn't say there's much choice, the choice has just changed to people moving away from coupes. But the pony cars are icons so people are willing to put up with them. Other thing is back in 86 the only way to get a performance car was in coupe form. They lifted that barrier too.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

All of the replacements you listed are FWD also. No real Pony Car fan would touch a FWD hot hatch!

[Rich]

27k base, and 37k for the SS

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/21/2016-chevy-camaro-pricing-official/

[GoCougs]

Hmmm. Eliminating the stripper LT and 10% price hike for the 1SS also slots it 10% above the Mustang's cost of entry.

Seems they're more interested in making it a niche (higher margin?) product....

[AutobahnSHO]

Performance car markets are silo'd by image/configuration though.

this-   TONS of people buy cars off of looks/image alone, and never read a review.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

27k base, and 37k for the SS

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/21/2016-chevy-camaro-pricing-official/

27K base and 37K SS....Are those the curb weights?

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

 

27K base and 37K SS....Are those the curb weights?

[Raza]

27K base and 37K SS....Are those the curb weights?

[MX793]

27k base, and 37k for the SS

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/21/2016-chevy-camaro-pricing-official/

Pretty steep unless they're upping the content for 2016.  The current 1SS is equipped only slightly better than the basic Mustang GT.  Base GT is $32.3K, so that's roughly a 5K difference.  A GT Premium is a grand cheaper than the 1SS.  And the 1LT was only equipped slightly better than the basic Mustang V6 (and Ecoboost, they come with the same base equipment).  I'll be curious how much extra they charge to upgrade to the V6 from the base 2.0T. 


EDIT:  I see now these prices include destination, so the 1SS costs basically the same as a GT premium (and ~4K more than a base Mustang GT).