The Official Sixth Gen Camaro Thread!

[SVT666]

Would be interesting to see the Mustang and Camaro pitted against the 4-series.

Somebody should do a full comparo between all the two door RWD coupes on the market.  There aren't that many.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Would be interesting to see the Mustang and Camaro pitted against the 4-series.

In the COY article they mentioned that the other journalist weren't comparing the Camaro to the Mustang but BMWs, Audis and AMGs instead! They also said don't be surprised to see a Porcshe thrown in! They also said it could/should have won the Best Handling Car Award also.

[SVT666]

The Shelby GT350R is going for $40K over sticker and the Z28 is being blown out by as much as $25K under sticker.


While it may be Thanksgiving, retailers and businesses have been quietly stocking up for America's brute-force shopping day: Black Friday. Or, Black Thursday, seeing many shops open as soon as your uncle finishes the last slice of pie.

While we're sure the deals are good on consumer electronics, Jalopnik has likely found the greatest deal of them all for Black Friday: the 2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28.

Why? Because there are currently 60 of them listed across the U.S. with $25,000 slashed from their original $75,000 MSRPs. Talk about savings.

Chevrolet may have overestimated what some will pay for a true track machine, but that's only good news for shoppers, because for around $55,000, you're receiving a Camaro that will trump a Nissan GT-R at the track nearly any day, and put those Hellcat boys to shame.

So, forget Season's Greetings from some automakers. Slap a bow on a Z/28 and really make someone happy this holiday season.


http://gmauthority.com/blog/2015/11/deal-alert-2015-chevrolet-camaro-z28-sees-25000-slashed-from-msrp/#ixzz3t0xeLBxT

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Who cares about that OLD Z28! There's a new Sheriff in town! 

[MX793]

In the COY article they mentioned that the other journalist weren't comparing the Camaro to the Mustang but BMWs, Audis and AMGs instead! They also said don't be surprised to see a Porcshe thrown in! They also said it could/should have won the Best Handling Car Award also.

Other mags said similar about the S550 when it came out (R&T, specifically).  MT doesn't have a lot of love for the Mustang.  I'm honestly a bit surprised they picked the GT350 over the Z/28.

[CaminoRacer]

Other mags said similar about the S550 when it came out (R&T, specifically).  MT doesn't have a lot of love for the Mustang.  I'm honestly a bit surprised they picked the GT350 over the Z/28.

Ehh, new toy vs. old. They'll probably pick the new Z/28 over the GT350R once it comes out.

[MX793]

Ehh, new toy vs. old. They'll probably pick the new Z/28 over the GT350R once it comes out.

You can say it's because it's the newest kid on the block, but they chose the 1LE over the new Mustang GT PP last year and didn't even consider the S550 Mustang for their COTY.  Last year, when it should have been in contention, it was left out because Ford was unable to get them a test car when they were doing their evaluation (occurred just before Ford released the 2015s) and this year they ruled it out because it lost to the 1LE in a previous comparison.

[GoCougs]

Well, the Z/28 is a seven-year-old car based on a 10-year-old chassis powered by a 10-year-old motor. And let's be honest, the GT350R's advantage in performance and drivability came down to its use of (GM's ) MagneRide. If the new Camaro SS and other cars like the C7 Z06, CTS-V and SS sedan are any indication, the Z/28 will quite literally be unstoppable.

[GoCougs]

Page 180 of Jan issue of MT. Angus Mackenzie has an article titled "Revelation a Chevy that's better than a BMW" He compares the sixth Gen Camaro to the 340i. he declares the SS the all around better car while calling the 340i "Middle aged" while describing the Camaro as "reborn"!

No question about it - the new Camaro is a game changer for the whole of the performance coupe segment, at any price level.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

No question about it - the new Camaro is a game changer for the whole of the performance coupe segment, at any price level.

[MX793]

In the COY article they mentioned that the other journalist weren't comparing the Camaro to the Mustang but BMWs, Audis and AMGs instead! They also said don't be surprised to see a Porcshe thrown in! They also said it could/should have won the Best Handling Car Award also.

From R&T's PCOTY last year, where the Mustang was named runner up to the 911 GT3:

The result is the best ponycar in history and a real challenge to the established German performance sedans. Think of it as a bigger, brasher, bolder E92 M3 and you'll be on the right track. Should it have been PCOTY? Plenty of our staffers thought so. After all, the new GT3 is great, but how much greater is it than the old one? Put this 2015 Mustang GT on the PCOTY loop with the old model, though, and you'd see a Grand Canyon separating the two.

[GoCougs]

The more I think about it the more I could see a Z/28 not happening. The ZL1 was a success for Chevy and the Z/28 was really just a distraction. With the 650 hp LT4 and Camaro SS w/MagneRide primed and ready the ZL1 would be a proverbial slam dunk (and also virtually unbeatable).

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

The more I think about it the more I could see a Z/28 not happening. The ZL1 was a success for Chevy and the Z/28 was really just a distraction. With the 650 hp LT4 and Camaro SS w/MagneRide primed and ready the ZL1 would be a proverbial slam dunk (and also virtually unbeatable).

I agree!

[Xer0]

With Ford bringing out the G350 and its wailing NA, and how much positive press its been receiving, you can bet that GM will have a wailing NA powerplant in a new Z28 to do battle with it. 

[MX793]

With Ford bringing out the G350 and its wailing NA, and how much positive press its been receiving, you can bet that GM will have a wailing NA powerplant in a new Z28 to do battle with it. 

Not sure they will.  I would put my money on a rip-roaring ZL1 package and likely some kind of 1LE track package on the SS that will bring it to near Z/28 levels of track capability.

[Xer0]

Not sure they will.  I would put my money on a rip-roaring ZL1 package and likely some kind of 1LE track package on the SS that will bring it to near Z/28 levels of track capability.

I'm with you on a ZL1 coming and I'm thinking it'll probably be powered by the LT4 in some state of tune, and a 1LE package is surely in the works for the SS, but I still think there is room for a Z/28.  Even using the current LS7 wouldn't really put it at a disadvantage against the GT350 power-wise.

I guess it really comes down to if GM is going to develop a new high performance V8 for the Corvette in the near future that the Camaro can also use.

[SVT666]

If GM does a new Z28 it needs to have a much lower MSRP so they don't languish on dealer lots.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

No, they need to price them high. Trickle them out to create high demand and them dump thousands onto lots and destroy the market. Just like they do with all their cars.

Ford knows how to sell limited model future collectables.

[SVT666]

No, they need to price them high. Trickle them out to create high demand and them dump thousands onto lots and destroy the market. Just like they do with all their cars.

Ford knows how to sell limited model future collectables.

Ford dealers were selling 2007 GT500s for more than $100K with ease. It was outrageous.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

Ford dealers were selling 2007 GT500s for more than $100K with ease. It was outrageous.

That's because ONLY Mustang fanbois are crazy enough to pay that kind of markup on a ponycar........

[FlatBlackCaddy]

One way chevy definitely trounces ford is the stupidity of it's buyers.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

I mean people payed 100k for the xlr, it was a 50k car at best.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

One way chevy definitely trounces ford is the stupidity of it's buyers.

Cause we all know all the people that purchased 5.0/4.6 Mustangs instead of LT1/LS1 Camaros were brilliant! 

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

I mean people payed 100k for the xlr, it was a 50k car at best.

And the Ford buyers that paid 38 Large for a 2004 Thunderbird were just as bad! (including my mom)

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Aren't those still fetching a decent price on the used market?

I mean, they aren't SSR sought after, but I thought they were a bit collectable.

[SVT666]

Aren't those still fetching a decent price on the used market?

I mean, they aren't SSR sought after, but I thought they were a bit collectable.

They are. Used prices on them are ridiculous.

[CaminoRacer]

How is Ford having hugely marked up special Mustangs a GOOD thing? I'm a consumer, I don't want to pay 2x MSRP. I want the cheap one that still goes fast.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Aren't those still fetching a decent price on the used market?

I mean, they aren't SSR sought after, but I thought they were a bit collectable.

The SSR is sought after? But it's junk.

[CaminoRacer]

I'm with you on a ZL1 coming and I'm thinking it'll probably be powered by the LT4 in some state of tune, and a 1LE package is surely in the works for the SS, but I still think there is room for a Z/28.  Even using the current LS7 wouldn't really put it at a disadvantage against the GT350 power-wise.

I guess it really comes down to if GM is going to develop a new high performance V8 for the Corvette in the near future that the Camaro can also use.

I should have asked Mark Stielow about it, I just saw him last week. Doubt he would have spilled the beans though.

ZL1 with LT4 seems like a no-brainer. A new Z/28 would be spectacular, but more development work. Will have to wait and see. I've heard rumors of a non supercharged Vette engine coming, but Corvette rumors can be pretty sketchy.

[CaminoRacer]

The SSR is sought after? But it's junk.

So was the GT500.