The Official Sixth Gen Camaro Thread!

Started by Gotta-Qik-C7, January 19, 2015, 06:37:04 PM

MX793

I liked the Sky better than the Solstice, but thought both looked good.  That Solstice coupe :wub:.  There wasn't much to fault with the powertrains on the turbo versions, either.  The base powertrain, especially the gear ratios, had some room for improvement.
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Quote from: MX793 on December 07, 2015, 09:20:59 AM
I liked the Sky better than the Solstice, but thought both looked good.  That Solstice coupe :wub:.  There wasn't much to fault with the powertrains on the turbo versions, either.  The base powertrain, especially the gear ratios, had some room for improvement.

I preferred the linearity of the base engine to the turbo spool and power drop off at high rpm of the turbo. But would GLADLY have taken this new V6 if the extra weight didn't muck with steering feedback.

I'd like to get one but their tops and trunk lids need a lot of maintenance/replacing. That and I dunno how I'd ever swing my Miata, an ND, a solstice, and a 2008 Mustang GT. and maybe an E46 all at the same time.
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MX793

The base engine was OK, it was the gear ratios lifted straight from the Colorado (which used a completely different engine with different power characteristics) that was the biggest problem.  The jump from 2nd to 3rd was too big for that engine's power curve.
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SVT666

The biggest problem with the Sky/Solstice was the trunk.


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Biggest problem was it was like 500lb more than the Miata.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
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AutobahnSHO

biggest problem was it wasn't a Miata
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12,000 RPM

What the hell is that hump? Gas tank?

Sostice was a pretty fun drift car in FM4 with the LSx. Agreed that it would be sick with this new V6 though. Pontiac Cayman.
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Raza

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on December 07, 2015, 09:14:35 AM
they're polarizing for sure. I'd take one, just because of 2-seat convertible which hopefully isn't a maintenance pit.

Saturn Sky was so much better looking.
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2o6

The biggest problem was that crapola shifter clutch combo paired with the Ecotec 2.4



It's so stiff and bad. NC all day.

68_427

I was telling my friend the other day that I'd love for Chevy to try a Z competitor using this engine.  Use the corvette platform as is, or shrink it slightly, regular mechanical dif, front brembos, standard shocks, and slightly toned down styling.  $40k.  Make MRC and performance exhaust as options.  Have a Z51 like package that includes rear brembos, electronic dif, mrc, shorter rear gear, and some extra cooling.  Keep the price ceiling below $50k.
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Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 07, 2015, 09:06:24 AM
I'm gonna get crucified for this but I'd rather have a corvette with that v6 than a corvette with the ltv8. Imo the design of a corvette is very futuristic and by looking at it I imagine hearing something more high strung. More Porsche or bmw than 70s muscle car.

On the other hand I think the Camaro's design matches up well with the v8. It looks like a muscle car throwback.



I wonder if I could slide that v6 into a solstice hmmmmm

No Rich, that's a compelling thought. Base Corvette with this V6, for around 40k. Sign me up.

afty

Is this V6 that much different from the old 3.6?

MrH

Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 07, 2015, 09:16:17 AM
Those curves. The only thing I didn't like we're the engines. Great steering on the n/a model, plenty of legroom, shifter felt fine to me (I know it's a sore spot in reviews) and that structure was a tank.


And those curves


Terrible shifter.  Terrible interior.  The worst folding top I've ever seen :lol:
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280Z Turbo

It's Kinda like a MkII Fiero. GM downgrades their plan from world class sports car to bolting a bunch of garbage together like it's a 24 hours of Lemons car.

giant_mtb

I love the Sky.  Wish those cars would've carried on and improved under different brands.

MrH

Quote from: 280Z Turbo on December 07, 2015, 08:12:20 PM
It's Kinda like a MkII Fiero. GM downgrades their plan from world class sports car to bolting a bunch of garbage together like it's a 24 hours of Lemons car.

The car was just pinnacle GM in so many ways.

"Hydro forming?!  What a great idea!  Surely we can get the cost of that down!"

*proceeds to lose money on every car until the program is stopped*
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Quote from: MrH on December 07, 2015, 08:51:39 PM
"Hydro forming?!  What a great idea!  Surely we can get the cost of that down!"


Tube or sheet hydroforming?  What's wrong with hydroforming?

SVT666

Quote from: CLKid on December 07, 2015, 09:02:33 PM
Tube or sheet hydroforming?  What's wrong with hydroforming?
It was really expensive and the main reason they lost money on every car sold.

FlatBlackCaddy

But they made the right choice. Focusing on an expensive production process for the exterior sheet metal. Then offsetting it with a parts bin interior and a truck drivetrain is what any good auto company would do to make a roadster.


FlatBlackCaddy

I bet the solstice would have been better as a hyundai, atleast they would have tried to keep the model alive through a few generations.

God gm is incompetent, I'm having flashbacks.

GoCougs

Quote from: 68_427 on December 07, 2015, 05:03:40 PM
I was telling my friend the other day that I'd love for Chevy to try a Z competitor using this engine.  Use the corvette platform as is, or shrink it slightly, regular mechanical dif, front brembos, standard shocks, and slightly toned down styling.  $40k.  Make MRC and performance exhaust as options.  Have a Z51 like package that includes rear brembos, electronic dif, mrc, shorter rear gear, and some extra cooling.  Keep the price ceiling below $50k.

Sounds interesting, but like the Z, hardly anyone would buy it. GM would be much better off spending that performance investment $$$ on the Camaro.


Rich

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Or can I just has this V6 with a stick in the ATS? Or SS?

I just can't convince myself to buy a big coupe anymore.  If I drive something that heavy I want rear seats and rear doors.
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: GoCougs on December 07, 2015, 11:54:25 PM
Sounds interesting, but like the Z, hardly anyone would buy it. GM would be much better off spending that performance investment $$$ on the Camaro.



Yup. GM could use a Focus competitor, not another coupe.
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MrH

Quote from: CLKid on December 07, 2015, 09:02:33 PM
Tube or sheet hydroforming?  What's wrong with hydroforming?

They hydroformed a lot of the exterior body panels and the rails for the bottom of the chassis too.  You save on tooling cost, but per piece process cost is a lot higher than a conventional stamping process.  They were reportedly losing $10k/car.  On a $20k car :lol:
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Payman

Whoa, Sky Redlines are scarce and not cheap. I could only find 3 for sale on Autotrader, cheapest being a 2007 asking $16,500.

SVT666

Quote from: Rockraven on December 08, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
Whoa, Sky Redlines are scarce and not cheap. I could only find 3 for sale on Autotrader, cheapest being a 2007 asking $16,500.
That's nuts.  I could see $10K, but not $16K. 

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Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 08, 2015, 01:22:02 AM
Or can I just has this V6 with a stick in the ATS? Or SS?

I just can't convince myself to buy a big coupe anymore.  If I drive something that heavy I want rear seats and rear doors.
This is what killed coupes in general.

Quote from: Rockraven on December 08, 2015, 09:21:09 AM
Whoa, Sky Redlines are scarce and not cheap. I could only find 3 for sale on Autotrader, cheapest being a 2007 asking $16,500.
Sounds reasonable to me. OK, the interior is crap, but for the money there's not many similar choices. I suppose an 07 Z would be a lot cheaper, but it too has a crap interior and weighs a lot more.
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Raza

Quote from: MrH on December 07, 2015, 08:05:50 PM

Terrible shifter.  Terrible interior.  The worst folding top I've ever seen :lol:

The folding top is horrible. The worst manual roof I've ever tried out.
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Quote from: HotRodPilot on December 08, 2015, 01:22:02 AM
Or can I just has this V6 with a stick in the ATS? Or SS?

I just can't convince myself to buy a big coupe anymore.  If I drive something that heavy I want rear seats and rear doors.

Yea, this engine in the ATS would be sick. I did not like the ATS's 2.0T at all.


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