The Official Sixth Gen Camaro Thread!

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

"The last real bastion of automotive enthusiasm"

is NOT!!

NOT NOT NOT

found within a 2 ton windowless slab of metal.

We all know NOTHING can be considered a Sports car unless it's a Miata.......

[FlatBlackCaddy]

We all know NOTHING can be considered a Sports car unless it's a Miata.......

Not true.

[CaminoRacer]

"The last real bastion of automotive enthusiasm"

is NOT!!

NOT NOT NOT

found within a 2 ton windowless slab of metal.

Not 2 tons.

And I'd say the Z/28 and GT350R are easily at the top of list, driving-wise.

[FlatBlackCaddy]

Maybe a list where there are unrelated criteria used to project them to the top. Otherwise I'm sure they are standard fair in the sports car world.

Your much more likely to see cars like the boxster, cayman, 911, corvette, 4c, evora, miata, frs/brz, etc at the top of most lists. Like I said, unless you illicit some "random" criteria to artificially place them higher.

[12,000 RPM]

"Gotta Have It"
Not made by an Axis power factor 

Etc. Legit shit that matters bro. Driving experience = how much it makes you tighten your trousers

[CaminoRacer]

Horsepower
Exhaust note
1/4 mile time
Cornering grip/g force
Lap times
Styling
Stickshift

[Eye of the Tiger]

Horsepower
Exhaust note
1/4 mile time
Cornering grip/g force
Lap times
Styling
Stickshift

Don't forget the feels.

[GoCougs]

No

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-chevrolet-camaro-v-6-manual-test-review

Standing ¼-mile: 14.1 sec @ 100mph

Not quite and not only because N/A cars of similar power/weight ratio (like the G37/Q50) run 13.5 - 13.8s 1/4 mile times.

Motor Trend V6 8AT: 13.8 @ 103
Edmunds/Chevy official V6 8AT: 13.5 @ 103

[12,000 RPM]

Not quite and not only because N/A cars of similar power/weight ratio (like the G37/Q50) run 13.5 - 13.8s 1/4 mile times.

Motor Trend V6 8AT: 13.8 @ 103
Edmunds/Chevy official V6 8AT: 13.5 @ 103

Why are you bringing up AT times in the context of a discussion about stickshifts

An auto V6 Camaro is a college girl car worthy of shame. I dont care how fast it is in the quarter mile

[CaminoRacer]

An auto V6 Camaro is a college girl car worthy of shame. I dont care how fast it is in the quarter mile

Nonsense.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Nonsense.

Nonsense.

[SVT666]

I read a comparo that said the Camaro makes the Mustang feel loose and is almost too composed. They said that about the Mustang last year.

[12,000 RPM]

1LE package is coming.....

Cant lie, if it were my $$$ I would still go Mustang but god damn if the Mustang isn't outclassed dynamically. This isn't even the top dog

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2017-chevrolet-camaro-1le-v-6-v-8-photos-and-info-news

[MX793]

Ford needs to up their performance game, but I don't expect anything until the 2018 model year.  Ecoboost needs more power out of the box, the GT could benefit from another 20 hp or so and a better AT than the current 6 speed.  Some GT350 suspension parts (Magneride!) would help.  Maybe a new Mach1 package that would split the gap between the Performance Pack and GT350?

[12,000 RPM]

Lol how sick would it be if they put the GT350's engine in a regular old Mustang lol.

They are getting carpet bombed on the performance front. I still think the Mustang is the better car to own and drive off of a drag strip/race track though.

[MX793]

The Mustang GT's shortcomings to the Camaro are more chassis/suspension than powertrain.  The biggest powertrain shortcoming is Ford's 6AT vs the 8 speed in the Camaro.  A bit more power from the V8 wouldn't hurt (DI and/or displacement bump to 5.2?), but it shouldn't be priority 1, IMO.  The suspension tuning on the basic SS, and its handling, is comparable to or slightly better than the performance pack Mustang.  That's before adding MRS and now the 1LE.  There are those who may be turned off by the stiffer ride, I've come across a few who didn't get the PP on the Mustang because they thought it was too stiff.  The Mustang also holds a considerable price advantage in term of price of entry.  Though once you add the performance pack to bring it closer to the base SS in capability, a good portion of that advantage goes away.

The power comment does not hold for the Ecoboost, which really needs the Focus RS motor ASAP.

[12,000 RPM]

4<6<8.... Ecoboost should have been ground zero, GM has the right idea with powertrains.

Magnaride on the non GT350 Mustangs would be good along with better chassis tuning. But all that shit is academic to a large degree. Street cars are way more than specs.... if Magnaride enables more performance AND comfort then it should be the move (which I think it would do).

[GoCougs]

Jesus. Things just got real. At this pace both the Z28 and ZL1 will be just about incalculable.

I thought I read somewhere there would be no 1LE for the 6th gen but whatevs...

[MX793]

I'm OK with a turbo 4 being slotted above the 6, but it needs to be clearly superior, either by offering lower operating (fuel) costs for the same or better performance or being a clearly better performer.  As it stands, the Ecoboost is/does neither.

[68_427]

I'd like to see gearing changes to the 1LE package again.

[SVT666]

I think both cars are getting too expensive and too capable. The GT and SS are no longer affordable for most people and their performance levels are way beyond anything most people could ever come close to achieving even on a track. Since when is 435 hp and 1g cornering not enough?

[CaminoRacer]

I think both cars are getting too expensive and too capable. The GT and SS are no longer affordable for most people and their performance levels are way beyond anything most people could ever come close to achieving even on a track. Since when is 435 hp and 1g cornering not enough?

I agree. Gonna be a lot of people crashing these cars if they try to test the limits.

[Cookie Monster]

Jesus. Things just got real. At this pace both the Z28 and ZL1 will be just about incalculable.

I thought I read somewhere there would be no 1LE for the 6th gen but whatevs...

Oh my god the Z28 is going to be fucking amazing.

I still love the 5th gen Z28 and would still take one over any C7 Vette.

[MX793]

I think both cars are getting too expensive and too capable. The GT and SS are no longer affordable for most people and their performance levels are way beyond anything most people could ever come close to achieving even on a track. Since when is 435 hp and 1g cornering not enough?

I personally think power on the GT is more than enough, though they'll need a little more if they want to outrun the SS.  As to handling, there's more to it than outright grip.  Lateral grip doesn't take into account directional transitions and composure, which is an area where the Camaro is reportedly better.

[Rich]

I'd be happy with a ~250hp V8 (small displacement?), and 3,300lbs.  Which is why I'll save a bunch of dough and get a used 2006 GT

[Payman]

I'd be happy with a ~250hp V8 (small displacement?), and 3,300lbs.  Which is why I'll save a bunch of dough and get a used 2006 GT

You weren't happy with your '11 GT?

[Rich]

You weren't happy with your '11 GT?

Too much power.  I want to be able to enjoy winding it out between shifts at full throttle without hitting the speed limit in 4 seconds.  IT's one reason I love the little guy I drive now.  Just getting up to the speed limit, I get time to enjoy the sound and feel of winding it out.  It's not over in a blink of an eye.

[MX793]

Personally, I'd get an '11+ V6 w/ Performance Pack over the '05-'09 GT.  Similar performance, more composed chassis, better powertrain (6MT, more rev-happy, and better fuel mileage), better interior, better brakes...  Missing the V8 soundtrack, but the 6 sounded darn good in its own right.  I'd then upgrade the driveshaft for peace of mind and, if it bothers you, have the 112 mph limiter removed via ECU reflash.

[Payman]

Too much power.  I want to be able to enjoy winding it out between shifts at full throttle without hitting the speed limit in 4 seconds.  IT's one reason I love the little guy I drive now.  Just getting up to the speed limit, I get time to enjoy the sound and feel of winding it out.  It's not over in a blink of an eye.

See, I totally get that, but many people don't. I'd much rather have the new V6 Camaro w/manual than the V8, and who gives a flying fuck if the auto version of any sports car is faster than the manual?

[CaminoRacer]

I personally think power on the GT is more than enough, though they'll need a little more if they want to outrun the SS.  As to handling, there's more to it than outright grip.  Lateral grip doesn't take into account directional transitions and composure, which is an area where the Camaro is reportedly better.

It's always interesting to look at how much power professional race series have. Seems like most are right around 450 HP.