The Official Sixth Gen Camaro Thread!

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

It's one of the best cars on sale today at any price, and 1-2 generations ahead of the class, but it's still relatively very pricey. Ford is also hitting fleet sales hard whereas GM has backed off quite a bit.

Yeah! I believe it's the price!

[GoCougs]

Somehow I missed this. ~3 weeks ago M/T reported/guessed what I've been wishing/saying all along - that the new Z/28 will be outfitted with a N/A 7.0L "LT7" V8 in the ~550 hp range: http://www.motortrend.com/news/next-chevrolet-camaro-z28-will-7-0-liter-v-8/

[MrH]

[GoCougs]

Unlike the previous Z/28 I just hope that like the GT350 they offer a street version in addition to the hardcore track version.

[MrH]

Unlike the previous Z/28 I just hope that like the GT350 they offer a street version in addition to the hardcore track version.

Are you implying you'd pull the trigger on a street version of a Z28?

[12,000 RPM]

The ink is drying on the paperwork for Cougs Q50 Red Sport.... don't kid yourself

[68_427]

Somehow I missed this. ~3 weeks ago M/T reported/guessed what I've been wishing/saying all along - that the new Z/28 will be outfitted with a N/A 7.0L "LT7" V8 in the ~550 hp range: http://www.motortrend.com/news/next-chevrolet-camaro-z28-will-7-0-liter-v-8/

I'll believe it when I see it.  They are basing this off of the ring cars not having supercharger wine, but you know what else didn't have that wine?  The Z06 in the same types of ring videos.

[SJ_GTI]

The ink is drying on the paperwork for Cougs Q50 Red Sport Honda Accord V6.... don't kid yourself

[GoCougs]

Are you implying you'd pull the trigger on a street version of a Z28?

No, not really, but I will dream about it though.

[GoCougs]

I'll believe it when I see it.  They are basing this off of the ring cars not having supercharger wine, but you know what else didn't have that wine?  The Z06 in the same types of ring videos.

The one video that was said to be the Z/28 I sure hear no whine.

Z06 has the whine at :58 - 1:02:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEpmZZqrtnk (plus also at 1:47 - 1:52)

CTS-V has the whine at :18 - :22:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6n1zpCESac

The Z06 and CTS-V sound like each other, and the Z/28 sounds quite different. Chevy has already said the ZL1 has the LT4 and there would be a lot of overlap if the Z/28 also had the LT4.

[Rich]

I've been building Camaros for fun on the chevy site and damn, everything I want is over 35K.  Loaded V6/barebones V8/loaded V8.  And the new 1LE looks great in V8 form. 

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

I've been building Camaros for fun on the chevy site and damn, everything I want is over 35K.  Loaded V6/barebones V8/loaded V8.  And the new 1LE looks great in V8 form. 

Yup! I priced out a bare bones V8 and a Nicely equipped V8 and both are outta my price range! Even with my GM Discount!

[MX793]

Camaro June sales down 43% from a year ago, down to 4,969.  The other 2 pony cars were also down, but by less than half as much (17-20%).  Challenger yet again outsold Camaro for the month.

[veeman]

Camaro June sales down 43% from a year ago, down to 4,969.  The other 2 pony cars were also down, but by less than half as much (17-20%).  Challenger yet again outsold Camaro for the month.

Man, GM screwed this up. You can get a barebones V8 Challenger for 32 thousand.   

[GoCougs]

Man, GM screwed this up. You can get a barebones V8 Challenger for 32 thousand.   

The hitch with that comparison is the new 5.7L Challenger is ~15 years behind in performance - at the end of the 1/4 mile the Camaro SS is ahead by almost a football field (and the new Mustang GT is ~7 years behind in performance, lagging by almost half a football field).

[Rich]

But you get the sound of a V8 and I think compatible performance to the 32k Camaro V6

[FlatBlackCaddy]

The 1LE looks like it's right up my alley.

The 2 deciding factors would be weight(hope it's light) and price(hope it's realistic).

[MX793]

The hitch with that comparison is the new 5.7L Challenger is ~15 years behind in performance - at the end of the 1/4 mile the Camaro SS is ahead by almost a football field (and the new Mustang GT is ~7 years behind in performance, lagging by almost half a football field).

And yet, despite being years ahead in performance, however that metric is actually determined, buyers are not flocking to the Camaro.  Obviously, being the fastest is not the only thing that matters to a lion's share buyers in this segment.

[GoCougs]

And yet, despite being years ahead in performance, however that metric is actually determined, buyers are not flocking to the Camaro.  Obviously, being the fastest is not the only thing that matters to a lion's share buyers in this segment.

That's usually been the case though: the Camaro was usually the better performer yet the Mustang was usually the better seller. The 5th gen Camaro's sales success was an anomaly as the Mustang was already 5 years old when it debuted, and let's be honest, love it or hate it, the 5th gen Camaro was striking - Corvette motor, IRS and concept car styling.

[GoCougs]

Also forgot - the Mustang has usually been cheaper, too.

[MX793]

Swung over to the local auto mall today and the Chevy dealer had a couple of new LT Camaros out front, along with a pair of CPO LT Gen5s.  Other than the couple of Gen6s I've seen in the wild from a distance and on the move, this was my first "up close" look.  Ergonomics and visibility aside, I think the Gen6 looks pretty darn good in the flesh.  Better than the post-facelift Gen5.  It looks a bit more taught and toned.  That said, at a glance, the Gen6 looks too much like the later Gen5s.  Enough so that if you told me it was just a facelift, I'd be inclined to believe it.  There are a few standout differences, but all together the difference between a 2015 and 2016 Camaro, visually, is about the same as between the 2009 and 2010 Mustang (which was a facelift). 

The face is obviously different, but it looks more like a facelift of the 2015 than a fresh design.  The headlamps are narrower/squintier, but a similar shape to the outgoing model.  Same with the upper grille.  The shape/contour of the hood and the hood shutline looks very similar.  The sides seem a bit more toned, like the sheetmetal was drawn a little tighter, but not drastically different.  Like the car may have a bit more of a waist to it than the older model.  The faux gills on the rear quarter panels are gone, but the shape of the rear haunches looks almost exactly the same.  The shape of the greenhouse and door glass looks very nearly the same.  Look closely and the newer car's roofline appears to start sloping down a bit sooner, but it's pretty subtle.  The rear quarter windows are different in shape.  Seen in isolation, it may not jump out at you, but side by side, it's a very different shape.  The window opening appears to be a bit higher up than in the outgoing car and perhaps a bit smaller.  Moving to the back, the tail lamp treatment is much like the headlamps:  a familiar shape but made a little narrower, vertically, and canted to make them look a little more aggressive.  The bumper itself is a bit more sculpted.  Seen side-by-side, the horizontal portion of the rear deck is a bit shorter on the new car.  There appears to be a bit less rear glass, vertically, on the new car.  What's more, look past the glass and you'll note that the rear DLO is significantly more constricted because the rear speaker shelf rises up several inches above the top of the rear trunklid, resulting in a narrow slit of actual window.  There looks to be a bit less rear overhang aft of the rear tires on the newer car as well.

Then we get to pricing.  The silver car (shown in photos below) was a base V6 with automatic transmission and the optional active exhaust.  $30.5K.  A base ecoboost with the automatic is $27.8K.  There was also a V6 convertible in stock (didn't get any photos) with a sticker price of $47,000 (and it wasn't fully loaded).  I optioned up an EcoBoost vert on Ford's site with all the same equipment and it was only $41.2K.

[12,000 RPM]

Man, GM screwed this up. You can get a barebones V8 Challenger for 32 thousand.

Challenger is an overweight POS though. A Charger V8 for the same $$$ is a much better value

[MX793]

Challenger is an overweight POS though. A Charger V8 for the same $$$ is a much better value

Charger weighs more, costs more (~$1900 for the R/T vs the Chally), and doesn't come with a stick.

[CaminoRacer]

My dad didn't even realize the 2016s are a new generation. They definitely should have updated the styling more.

[MrH]

They look so much better. Not more stupid fake gills on the rear quarters. Everything is tighter and pulled in more.

[68_427]

BTW Cougs Chevy has a 20% off every model sale.  So go pick up a V8 Maro or SS please.

Also a I4 or V6 Camaro are damn near as quick as the 5.7 Challenger.

[MrH]

Camaro isn't included in the 20% off sale

[Raza]

Did the windows on the new Camaro get even smaller!?

[MX793]

Did the windows on the new Camaro get even smaller!?

Windshield and door windows appear to be the exact same size.  Rear quarter windows I think got a little smaller, and are positioned high enough that the blindspot has certainly gotten larger.  Rear glass is definitely smaller, and that's before taking into account the speaker shelf inside the car impinging on the aperture.

[CALL_911]

Saw a bright red SS sedan today. I really, really like that thing