Tesla Model X

[Tave]

0.24Cd is RIDICULOUSLY low, though.

Recommending that people go skiing with this car is irresponsible. It has no ground clearance! (And how *could* it have ground clearance, if the drag is so low?)

I took my Aveo skiing for years.

[ifcar]

So, hadn't seen this earlier, but....

[Eye of the Tiger]

Which one is the new model?

[Laconian]

Can't unsee the Crosstour. Ughhhhh

[BimmerM3]

Oh yeah, that was like the first thing I saw. I think I just assumed that everyone else saw it too, so I didn't bother mentioning it.

[BENZ BOY15]

Ah yes. One more product for a very small percentage of the population, made possible by your average taxpayer.

[280Z Turbo]

The Crosstour is so much worse, though.

[AutobahnSHO]

The Crosstour is so much worse, though.

cuz cheaper?  or does the infinitely less time spent at the dealer for repairs scare you?

[Cookie Monster]

cuz cheaper?  or does the infinitely less time spent at the dealer for repairs scare you?

Have any data to back up that claim that teslas spend most of their time getting fixed?

[2o6]

Have any data to back up that claim that teslas spend most of their time getting fixed?

consumer reports Model S wasn't all that great, it ate like three different motors, the screen had to be replaced, and whatever the equivalent of the "transmission" went out once or twice, too.


I'm curious to see how these things hold up at high miles.

[2o6]

Say what you will, but the Leaf and Volt and Prius have been fairly consistent and reliable at higher miles, especially the Prius.


But early tech and products don't always go well. Gen 1 Priuses are kind of dumpy in regards to reliability.

[AutobahnSHO]

Have any data to back up that claim that teslas spend most of their time getting fixed?

crazy cool scissor doors with sensors and motors won't need more maintenance than tried-and-true regular doors?
etc...

[GoCougs]

Say what you will, but the Leaf and Volt and Prius have been fairly consistent and reliable at higher miles, especially the Prius.


But early tech and products don't always go well. Gen 1 Priuses are kind of dumpy in regards to reliability.

Nissan, Chevy and Toyota have been building cars for a very long time though.

Many long term Telsa reports (Edmunds, Consumer Reports) have been dismal WRT reliability, which has to be expected.

[Raza]

Has anyone raised the rollover concern with the falcon doors?

[280Z Turbo]

Has anyone raised the rollover concern with the falcon doors?

Mercedes added some kind of exploding hinge to their gullwings. Maybe they've done that.

[ChrisV]

Has anyone raised the rollover concern with the falcon doors?

No, no one at any company has ever considered that.

Can we find more things to complain about?

[2o6]

No, no one at any company has ever considered that.

Can we find more things to complain about?

It's a valid concern, so don't shrug it off like it isn't.

[giant_mtb]

There's prolly asplosives in the hinges somewheres.

[2o6]

Has anyone raised the rollover concern with the falcon doors?

The only thing Elon Musk has said is basically "It could never roll over! The CG is too low!" which doesn't answer the question

[GoCougs]

How are the doors a rollover concern - by coming open in such an event?

I agree - they've most certainly thought about it, and it would be easy to make them not come open during a rollover.

[CJ]

How are the doors a rollover concern - by coming open in such an event?

I agree - they've most certainly thought about it, and it would be easy to make them not come open during a rollover.

Quite the opposite. What if the vehicle lands upside down? How will the doors open?

[giant_mtb]

How are the doors a rollover concern - by coming open in such an event?

I agree - they've most certainly thought about it, and it would be easy to make them not come open during a rollover.

No, it's a concern if you were to roll and come to rest on the roof.

[BimmerM3]

How are the doors a rollover concern - by coming open in such an event?

I agree - they've most certainly thought about it, and it would be easy to make them not come open during a rollover.

I think the issue would be more that weight of the car would prevent the doors from opening, making it difficult to remove accident victims.

Perhaps the double hinge will allow the side of the door to fold out towards the ground, even if the top part cannot open? I dunno.

[ChrisV]

It's a valid concern, so don't shrug it off like it isn't.

And don't act like smart engineers that are thinking about in this age of safety haven't already thought about it. OK?

And basically, with a CG lower than most sports cars, even in a tripping event, rolling one would be hard to do. Less than .0001% of cars roll over in the real world. It also has over 5+ star crush ratings on the roof AND they aren't the only doors on the vehicle, so getting out the front doors is still a viable option.

[GoCougs]

Oh, now I see. Yes, that would definitely be a problem, even if the Model X has a lower-than-average rollover tendency. It WILL rollover periodically and the doors have to be openable in such an event. A bit of Internetting shows that the SLS's gull wing doors had exploding bolts on the hinges, allowing the door to be pushed off in the event of a rollover:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_KtDjN75xw

[AltinD]

However, unlike the SLS AMG, it still have two other conventional doors.

[MrH]

These are double hinged.  You can probably still open them in a rollover.

[Raza]

No, no one at any company has ever considered that.

Can we find more things to complain about?

I'm sure they raised it, but has anyone mentioned what they do in case of a rollover to the press or has it been reported on, dick? I'm interested to see what their solution is.

I mean, fuck off if I can the curious as to how they solved a problem they created. It's a cool concept, but it's not without issue. You want me to just ooh and ahh at whatever the fuck they put out? It's ugly, it's expensive, it's a Pow-pow-power Wheels electric car, but I didn't complain about any of that shit. I just wanted to know what the doors do in event of a rollover.

Fuck, it's like you can't even discuss cars on this car forum anymore if you're not just sucking off the bombastic designers.

[GoCougs]

However, unlike the SLS AMG, it still have two other conventional doors.

All doors have to open in the even of a rollover.

[Raza]

All doors have to open in the even of a rollover.

Can you imagine the scene? The Tesla X rolls over, battery acid is leaking everywhere, a family of five sits calmly upside down in their seats. "Now children, come along, take off your seat belts and crawl to the front of the car and we can all get out through mother's door."