Autonomous Cars

[Laconian]

<kneejerk>Clearly autonomous cars have some ways to go! How can we trust them on the road if they keep getting T-boned? I drive daily without getting in serious accidents; these things must be deathtraps!</kneejerk>

[r0tor]

2019

https://blog.caranddriver.com/gm-to-launch-driverless-car-in-2019-with-no-steering-wheel-or-pedals/

[Soup DeVille]

2019

https://blog.caranddriver.com/gm-to-launch-driverless-car-in-2019-with-no-steering-wheel-or-pedals/

So will it be owned and operated by this Cruise AV firm, or will a third company assume operating liability? Would an established company like Über (as established as they are I guess) be able to purchase a fleet and just tie them into their app?

[r0tor]

My guess would be someone like Uber will buy them and put them under a corporate insurance/liability program.  I don't think the liability issue has been sorted out yet for consumer usage.

[12,000 RPM]

O I didn't realize this was actually coming out next year. Hopefully they don't Tesla it. I can't see GM announcing something they can't deliver; they don't have that luxury.

Hopefully this gets the ball rolling along with all the shit drivers on the road.

[CaminoRacer]

O I didn't realize this was actually coming out next year. Hopefully they don't Tesla it. I can't see GM announcing something they can't deliver; they don't have that luxury.

Hopefully this gets the ball rolling along with all the shit drivers on the road.

"it's likely the initial batch of Cruise AVs will be limited to the San Francisco and Phoenix areas—the two cities where GM has tested the vehicle."

And owned by the company. Not for sale to the public. They have to hail the cars by app, like Uber.

[AutobahnSHO]

hope they don't scrap them, like they did their electric cars.

[CaminoRacer]

hope they don't scrap them, like they did their electric cars.

BYU's mechanical engineering department actually has an EV1 hidden away in one of the shops... The big back window is missing but otherwise I think it'll still run with a bit of maintenance

[AutobahnSHO]

https://www.engadget.com/2018/01/15/autonomous-car-guidelines-summer/

US DOT will release new guidelines for autonomous cars AND trucks this summer...

[Soup DeVille]

BYU's mechanical engineering department actually has an EV1 hidden away in one of the shops... The big back window is missing but otherwise I think it'll still run with a bit of maintenance

GM has a few of them still. Sometimes one is on display at the design dome at the Warren tech center. The Henry Ford museum has one too I believe.

[12,000 RPM]

"it's likely the initial batch of Cruise AVs will be limited to the San Francisco and Phoenix areas—the two cities where GM has tested the vehicle."

And owned by the company. Not for sale to the public. They have to hail the cars by app, like Uber.

Still for use by the public, which is a huge deal.

[MrH]

GM has a few of them still. Sometimes one is on display at the design dome at the Warren tech center. The Henry Ford museum has one too I believe.

I used to have an EV1 dash board back when I worked in interiors. Felt like I was holding a piece of history.

[Morris Minor]

Two riders of an autonomous car went to the hospital.

A small human-driven box truck ran a red light and T-boned them.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/10/argo-ai-self-driving-test-car-hit-in-pittsburgh-as-truck-runs-red-light/

Time to ged rid of traffic lights.

[AutobahnSHO]

Autonomous trucks will be HUGE. Not sure how many hundreds of thousands of people make a living driving commercial vehicles, but the UPS union is already fighting losing their jobs:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/union-heavyweight-wants-to-ban-ups-from-using-drones-or-driverless-vehicles/ar-AAv7UJH?li=AA4Zjn&ocid=ientp

[r0tor]

Can't we just go back to trains

[giant_mtb]

Autonomous trucks will be HUGE. Not sure how many hundreds of thousands of people make a living driving commercial vehicles, but the UPS union is already fighting losing their jobs:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/union-heavyweight-wants-to-ban-ups-from-using-drones-or-driverless-vehicles/ar-AAv7UJH?li=AA4Zjn&ocid=ientp

I always thought companies like UPS and FedEX would be all over getting autonomous vehicles on the road. However, you still need to have somebody physically deliver the package from the truck to the door.  And let's be real, those delivery drivers drive like they're on a fuckin' mission whereas autonomous vehicles drive very...sensibly, let's say.  They're almost irreplaceable until the tech actually exceeds them (ie, crazy fast running robots and shit).

[AutobahnSHO]

Good thinking, they could be doing the paperwork and chilling while riding to the next stop while the computer drives.

[Soup DeVille]

I always thought companies like UPS and FedEX would be all over getting autonomous vehicles on the road. However, you still need to have somebody physically deliver the package from the truck to the door.  And let's be real, those delivery drivers drive like they're on a fuckin' mission whereas autonomous vehicles drive very...sensibly, let's say.  They're almost irreplaceable until the tech actually exceeds them (ie, crazy fast running robots and shit).

Both those companies already run dedicated triple trailer rigs; Which are used only on interstates and are broken down as soon as they exit. I expect these will be the first to go autonomous.

[giant_mtb]

Both those companies already run dedicated triple trailer rigs; Which are used only on interstates and are broken down as soon as they exit. I expect these will be the first to go autonomous.

Yeah, for the long-haul stuff I can see it happening.  But drones and local deliveries?  Gonna be a while.

[Soup DeVille]

Yeah, for the long-haul stuff I can see it happening.  But drones and local deliveries?  Gonna be a while.

Local deliveries will likely be the last step. Even then, the driver may be more of a runner and package grabber, while the vehicle drives. And when its empty, a full one will show up and the empty one go back to the warehouse while the "driver" switches vehicles on the fly.

[Morris Minor]

I think the trucks may need a "captain," much like driverless trains - to deal with emergencies etc.

[GoCougs]

I think the trucks may need a "captain," much like driverless trains - to deal with emergencies etc.

Sorta like a train .

[Morris Minor]

If your low ability causes you crash a Tesla, just blame Tesla Autopilot. This will cause the unquestioning, incurious, low-ability MSM to make it headline news.

Tesla 'on Autopilot' slams into parked fire truck on California freeway
A Tesla Model S reportedly on "Autopilot" smashed into the back of a fire truck parked at a freeway accident scene Monday morning, authorities said.
Two investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board are expected to arrive in Los Angeles on Wednesday to probe the crash, and will focus on "the driver's actions and how the vehicle performed," Bloomberg reported Jan. 23.
More:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/22/tesla-on-autopilot-slams-into-parked-fire-truck-on-freeway/

[AutobahnSHO]

Sounds like either the car or the driver braked some- 65mph but then no injuries..

[Morris Minor]

I can see autonomous car makers spending more and more time digging out hard data proving their customers are dishonest idiots for trying to shift blame for their crashes.

[AutobahnSHO]

I can see autonomous car makers spending more and more time digging out hard data proving their customers are dishonest idiots for trying to the shift blame for their crashes.

I'm sure they'll have cameras recording soon.

Prove the car was not to blame in a human hitting the autonomous car, and/or that the driver was to blame (this case) and/or protect the manufacturer from insurance claims from other cars or their own occupants (like this case).

[Laconian]

In 10 years the tables will turn and we'll have headlines like:

Distracted Human Driver Slams Into Truck, Blames Squishy "Analog" Brain

[2o6]

all humans will be outmoded, soon we will only be geth

[12,000 RPM]

I can see autonomous car makers spending more and more time digging out hard data proving their customers are dishonest idiots for trying to shift blame for their crashes.

And why not? Why should they be held liable for their buyers' stupidity? That should be embedded in the software from the get go.

[Morris Minor]

And why not? Why should they be held liable for their buyers' stupidity? That should be embedded in the software from the get go.

No reason why not. In fact make a summary of the vitals immediately available to the responding officer: speed, autopilot status, cruise control status, cellphone status, whether driver was engaged in a foul & shameful act of self-pollution.