Honda S2000

[r0tor]

My RX8 has TBW and you can't tell that it's not a cable... It's really all down to how TBW is implemented and what "features" are programmed in

[MexicoCityM3]

Yeah, I don't think the S2000 is gutless at all really.  It's geared so short, staying in VTEC isn't difficult to do.

Drove it to work today actually.  If I can fix the plethora of NVH issues and pogo stick ride in the rear, I'll be a lot happier with the car.

A lot of people don't like engines that need high revs to make power. Not me. I love the linearity.

That car you got is a long term keeper IMO. It's a shame it was never sold here.

[r0tor]

One thing that really gets me when I switch between the Jeep and the Mazda is turn-in... When I first go to the Mazda I find myself turning into turns wayyyy to soon because my head got use to adjusting to the Jeep steering wheel being turned and nothing happening for a few moments

[Cookie Monster]

My car doesn't have any rev hang issues, but when I first got it it had a really bad tip in lag that took forever get used to. I got that tuned out though so it feels really good now, but I do prefer cables over TBW.

[12,000 RPM]

Z and Civic are DBW, no response issues in either. Definitely down to programming. Mechanical throttles have issues too... dealing with shit on my bike right now (stretched cables + broken adjuster) and I remember having to fiddle with the idle set screw on my first Accord. Ultimately though inputs definitely matter... glad everything on the S is right.

[2o6]

Probably varies by engine.  The Duratec motors were TBW.  Not sure about the Zetec.  The base SOHC motor was probably by cable seeing as that motor family was about 20 years old.

Ok, so it was a gen 1.25.


Yeah mine was a Zetec and pretty sure it was cable throttle.

[2o6]

The Sonic is TBW, and it's also a turbo and an economy car with tall gearing. Throttle response is not it's strong suit, but it's fine in traffic and driving spirited.


The Yaris was TBW and it was literally made the car borderline undrivable.

[Soup DeVille]

IIRC, rev hang after lifting is not inherent of TBW, but an emissions control "feature".  There's no technical reason TBW should be slower to react to throttle lift than throttle application other than someone programming it to behave that way.  Definitely noticeable with MT-equipped cars and varies from mildly annoying to infuriating depending on the car.  I drove a mk1 Focus that was so bad you could count to 3 between when you lifted and when the revs dropped.  Said car also had a lit CEL, so I suspect that was related.

How can you even drive a manual on a car that does that? Slowly, I suppose.

[BimmerM3]

How can you even drive a manual on a car that does that? Slowly, I suppose.

Well, dump the clutch and the revs will drop pretty quick.

[MrH]

IIRC, rev hang after lifting is not inherent of TBW, but an emissions control "feature".  There's no technical reason TBW should be slower to react to throttle lift than throttle application other than someone programming it to behave that way.  Definitely noticeable with MT-equipped cars and varies from mildly annoying to infuriating depending on the car.  I drove a mk1 Focus that was so bad you could count to 3 between when you lifted and when the revs dropped.  Said car also had a lit CEL, so I suspect that was related.

Yeah, I know it's programmed in for emission reasons.  It just sucks.  The NC Miata hung on every shift.  I would naturally shift faster than the engine dropped in revs.  So either I'd have to slow down and wait for it to get to the proper RPM before letting the clutch back out, or if I was really getting on it, the release of the clutch would force the engine to slow down.  Not ideal.

[Cookie Monster]

Yeah, I know it's programmed in for emission reasons.  It just sucks.  The NC Miata hung on every shift.  I would naturally shift faster than the engine dropped in revs.  So either I'd have to slow down and wait for it to get to the proper RPM before letting the clutch back out, or if I was really getting on it, the release of the clutch would force the engine to slow down.  Not ideal.

Huh. I never had a rev hang problem with my NC.

[MrH]

Huh. I never had a rev hang problem with my NC.

When was the last time your NC had a stock ECU map on it

There's a product out there that's made to handle the hang issue.  Forget what it's called though.

[MX793]

How can you even drive a manual on a car that does that? Slowly, I suppose.

It was not a smooth drive.

[Cookie Monster]

When was the last time your NC had a stock ECU map on it

There's a product out there that's made to handle the hang issue.  Forget what it's called though.

Uh, like 4 years ago?

I got an Ecutek tune on it and that improved the throttle response a ton.

[giant_mtb]

I imagine my A4 was TBW...I never had an issue with it or felt like it wasn't normal-feeling.  It was plenty smooth and responsive.

[12,000 RPM]

2.0T is a good motor. MKV GTI I drove felt and sounded naturally aspirated from what I remember.

[giant_mtb]

If I had no music on and listened for it, I could hear the turbo with the windows closed, but barely.  Sunroof open was the best way to hear it and cruise. But yeah, they're very normal sounding.  Loved that car, that motor that transmission. 

Feeling wise...nah, it definitely drove like a turbo. Miss that bOOOOst.

[Rupert]

The extra terra is TBW, and it's pretty slow to respond to inputs. Transmission likes to shift to a higher gear than I want it to, as well. It's not quite what I was hoping for after having driven a bunch of automatics designed since they designed the one I have, but it gets the job done and it has plenty of power and good gearing.

[68_427]

SVX has two throttle cables

[Speed_Racer]

The Kizashi has a very slight throttle delay & hang but I've learned to compensate for it. My foot comes off the throttle just a half sec before I depress the clutch to shift so there's no hang or jerkiness.

[AutobahnSHO]

SVX has two throttle cables

see that's your ticket to weight reduction right there.

[68_427]

see that's your ticket to weight reduction right there.

So remove light weight second cable, and make something to attach one cable to both throttle bodies.

Nah.  I already ditched the A/C and put in a smaller radiator lol

[Char]

SVX has two throttle cables

Stop dicking with that and get an E90. 325i's should be a dime a dozen, and are a cheap flash away from being 'respectable'

[MrH]

So I was thinking about getting another set of RPF1s for the S2000.  But I came across these:



I love the look of them.  Can't seem to find much info about using them on S2000s though.  According to Enkei's site, they make them in the right sizes, but Tire Rack's frustrating site says they don't fit the S2000.  I need to shoot them an email and see what they have in terms of sizes.  I'm going to have to do a slight fender roll, but it should look good.

[68_427]

Ha those are what I almost bought for my car, and what I posted in Sporty's thread.  They look great in the lower offset sizes with a bit of concavity to them.

[68_427]

Stop dicking with that and get an E90. 325i's should be a dime a dozen, and are a cheap flash away from being 'respectable'

That's cool

[MrH]

Ha those are what I almost bought for my car, and what I posted in Sporty's thread.  They look great in the lower offset sizes with a bit of concavity to them.

Why doesn't tire rack just show me the specs and prices and let me decide if they fit?  They won't show anything until you put your vehicle in.  I put in my car, and it just shows none available.

[CaminoRacer]

Why doesn't tire rack just show me the specs and prices and let me decide if they fit?  They won't show anything until you put your vehicle in.  I put in my car, and it just shows none available.

Yeah it's completely useless for me. Only wheels it'll show are 15"

[r0tor]

I like my set ( but in gun metal)... Works nicely on an S2000

[MrH]

Oh, you've got TS10s on the RX-8?  Size and weight?