I'm really confused. Why did the Chrysler 200 fail?

Started by 12,000 RPM, April 16, 2016, 08:11:39 AM

ifcar

I will again say that I don't hate it, but it's understandable why it's struggling. Here's the review I'd done of it: http://www.examiner.com/article/review-2015-chrysler-200-limited-6th-place

MrH

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on April 26, 2016, 08:19:22 AM
A lot of the people hating on it haven't even driven it though. I haven't either but I'm at least giving it the benefit of the doubt.

I've driven one and didn't like it.

But of all companies, FCA is the last to get the benefit of the doubt with me.
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MrH

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/05/despite-fcas-clear-effort-chrysler-200-still-isnt-selling/

Also, I found a new favorite game.  Read TTAC articles, and find the sporty comments on them.

My favorite one so far was the comment saying the GTI is a poor man's 911 :lol:
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Cookie Monster

Are they so bad that it'd be a bad idea to buy one when you can get one for under $22k with a V6 and AWD?

I mean, based on sales I'd guess it's still a bad car even at that price. It's just surprising because it seems like a lot of car for the money.
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
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MrH

A lot of bad car for the money is still a bad car :lol:
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2016/05/despite-fcas-clear-effort-chrysler-200-still-isnt-selling/

Also, I found a new favorite game.  Read TTAC articles, and find the sporty comments on them.

My favorite one so far was the comment saying the GTI is a poor man's 911 :lol:
It's the jack of all trades. There are faster cars for the money (GT-R:stripper pony car) as well as more pure cars (Evora S:Miata), but if you could only have 1 car for the $$$ to be practical and fun to drive..... what else is there?
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AutobahnSHO

Quote from: MrH on May 04, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Also, I found a new favorite game.  Read TTAC articles, and find the sporty comments on them.


saw one of his other ones too  :lol: 
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AutobahnSHO

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 04, 2016, 12:53:29 PM
It's the jack of all trades. There are faster cars for the money (GT-R:stripper pony car) as well as more pure cars (Evora S:Miata), but if you could only have 1 car for the $$$ to be practical and fun to drive..... what else is there?

:huh: 
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MrH

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 04, 2016, 12:53:29 PM
It's the jack of all trades. There are faster cars for the money (GT-R:stripper pony car) as well as more pure cars (Evora S:Miata), but if you could only have 1 car for the $$$ to be practical and fun to drive..... what else is there?

:confused:
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: MrH on May 05, 2016, 12:11:17 PM
:confused:
My point is, for the $$$ there are other cars that do certain things better, but no car that does so many things anywhere near as well. What is confusing about that?
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Cookie Monster

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 05, 2016, 12:20:15 PM
My point is, for the $$$ there are other cars that do certain things better, but no car that does so many things anywhere near as well. What is confusing about that?

Why the GTI specifically? What about the other hot hatches? Focus ST? WRX?
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Quote from: 68_427 on November 27, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Or order from fortune auto and when lyft rider asks why your car feels bumpy you can show them the dyno curve
1 3 5
├┼┤
2 4 R

CJ

Quote from: Cookie Monster on May 05, 2016, 12:21:38 PM
Why the GTI specifically? What about the other hot hatches? Focus ST? WRX?


The Focus interior is too compromised in space efficiency. The WRX interior is too cheap to justify the price.

AutobahnSHO

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 05, 2016, 12:20:15 PM
My point is, for the $$$ there are other cars that do certain things better, but no car that does so many things anywhere near as well. What is confusing about that?

Nothing.

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 04, 2016, 12:53:29 PM
what else is there?

Quote from: AutobahnSHO on May 05, 2016, 12:09:18 PM
:huh: 

Was answering the question- literally.  ;)
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MrH

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 05, 2016, 12:20:15 PM
My point is, for the $$$ there are other cars that do certain things better, but no car that does so many things anywhere near as well. What is confusing about that?

So the GTI is like the 911 in that they're both good?
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: CJ on May 05, 2016, 12:23:45 PM

The Focus interior is too compromised in space efficiency. The WRX interior is too cheap to justify the price.
Focus interior is ugly as shit too, and the GTI is lighter, faster, quiter, more fuel efficient etc etc just a better all around car. GTI is as fast as my Z was and it gets about 50% better gas mileage lol.
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on May 04, 2016, 12:53:29 PM
It's the jack of all trades. There are faster cars for the money (GT-R:stripper pony car) as well as more pure cars (Evora S:Miata), but if you could only have 1 car for the $$$ to be practical and fun to drive..... what else is there?

An old El Camino with suspension upgrades, of course. It's unbeatable. Well, except for when it drops a valve into the cylinder.
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AutobahnSHO

Quote from: CaminoRacer on May 05, 2016, 08:28:22 PM
An old El Camino with suspension upgrades, of course. It's unbeatable. Well, except for when it drops a valve into the cylinder.

pfft it's not like you don't know where the valve is. Just turn it upside down and shake it out. :cry:
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