$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

[MexicoCityM3]

Do you need that much space? How about 135/235i?

REALLY you should stop fearing the N54. Everything can be easily fixed these days - super well known platfomr. And it won't get a rod knock at least.

[MX793]

Shame the new Fusion Sport is too new.  Those things should haul ass.  I think that magazines' estimates of ~5.3s to 60 is a bit conservative.  That motor will haul a ~4800 lbs F-150 to 60 in 5.7s.  I expect that a sub 4000 lbs car with the benefit of an AWD launch should do it in 5 flat, if not in the 4s.

[12,000 RPM]

Do you need that much space? How about 135/235i?

REALLY you should stop fearing the N54. Everything can be easily fixed these days - super well known platfomr. And it won't get a rod knock at least.

Why go with something easy to fix when I can get something that doesn't need to be fixed at all? Nissan and Toyota's 3.5s are bulletproof and just as powerful stock. But I'm not ruling out the 335i. Def has the best aftermarket and is the same size as my Civic which is a big plus. It's just not at the top of the list.

[12,000 RPM]

Shame the new Fusion Sport is too new.  Those things should haul ass.  I think that magazines' estimates of ~5.3s to 60 is a bit conservative.  That motor will haul a ~4800 lbs F-150 to 60 in 5.7s.  I expect that a sub 4000 lbs car with the benefit of an AWD launch should do it in 5 flat, if not in the 4s.

That does sound interesting. Will have to give it a few years though

[CALL_911]

Just get a V6 Accord?

[CALL_911]

Or if u can locate a V6 TSX or 6MT SHAWD TL

[Cookie Monster]

Go find an old Accord 6-6 sedan.

[12,000 RPM]

Interesting ideas of varying ugliness.... TL sounds interesting though.

[CaminoRacer]

2nd(?) Gen TL is still one of the best looking cars ever

[12,000 RPM]

I think you mean the 3rd gen (04-08) which is true.... another one to consider though I imagine they will be hard to find with decent mileage

The one that followed though 7th gen Accord sedan is ugly no matter what is done to it. That rear 3/4 view is just ghastly.

[CaminoRacer]

I think you mean the 3rd gen (04-08) which is true.... another one to consider though I imagine they will be hard to find with decent mileage

Yeah, that one.

Probably right about finding a low mileage one. Unless a grandma who never drove hers decides to sell.

[MrH]

I readily admit I don't know exactly what I want.... if I did I wouldn't be soliciting opinions Besides, better to ask and get insight than make mistakes.... like you did with the Genesis + BRZ

All I know is I want something fast, somewhat luxurious, somewhat engaging and able to fit in my garage. My lil bro has an Altima V6... most of the midsizers have no appeal to me. Outside of the engine that car is complete garbage to drive. Maybe the 200 is, IDK. But it's different and worth a look IMO. I think the IS350/G37 are the top choices though.

Hey, the BRZ was never a mistake.  I don't regret buying that car for one second.

Now the Genesis...alright, I'll give you that one

[Raza]

Quattroporte.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&endYear=2017&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&showcaseOwnerId=626199&startYear=2004&firstRecord=0&engineCodes=8CLDR&engineCode=8CLDR&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&maxPrice=20000&listingId=435968161&Log=0

[Raza]

V8 S4

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&endYear=2017&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&showcaseOwnerId=626199&startYear=2004&firstRecord=0&engineCodes=8CLDR&engineCode=8CLDR&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&maxPrice=20000&listingId=417331972&Log=0

[Raza]

550i

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=19123&endYear=2017&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&showcaseOwnerId=626199&startYear=2004&firstRecord=25&engineCodes=8CLDR&engineCode=8CLDR&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&searchRadius=0&maxPrice=20000&listingId=410657346&Log=0

[Raza]

M3

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?endYear=2002&zip=19123&engineCode=6CLDR&transmissionCode=MAN&transmissionCodes=MAN&mmt=%5BBMW%5BM3%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&vehicleStyleCodes=SEDAN&modelCode1=M3&showcaseOwnerId=68787329&startYear=1981&makeCode1=BMW&engineCodes=6CLDR&firstRecord=0&searchRadius=0&listingId=437623860&Log=0

[12,000 RPM]

All interesting choices, but terrible to own for many of the same reasons (laughable, pathetic, horrible reliability)

[Raza]

All interesting choices, but terrible to own for many of the same reasons (laughable, pathetic, horrible reliability)

Civic then.

My experience with cars of all sorts has taught me that you can either have a good car or a reliable one. Or a Maserati Ghibli, which is neither. If you want reliable, buy Japanese. If you want a good car that may need to be fixed once in a while, don't.

[CALL_911]

My experience with cars of all sorts has taught me that you can either have a good car or a reliable one.

Lol no

[12,000 RPM]

Yea that's malarkey, complete BS.

[Cookie Monster]

Civic then.

My experience with cars of all sorts has taught me that you can either have a good car or a reliable one. Or a Maserati Ghibli, which is neither. If you want reliable, buy Japanese. If you want a good car that may need to be fixed once in a while, don't.

Lol I think this is the most snobbish post ever written on the SPIN.

[Raza]

Lol I think this is the most snobbish post ever written on the SPIN.

That's what I was going for. 

Too subtle? Next time I'll throw in some iPhone v. Android. 

[MX793]

I know the CTS-V has already been offered up as a suggestion, but what about just a plain 3.6L gen 2 CTS?  Comfortable, decent power, competent handling, great looks...  Pretty compelling package and you can probably get a decent deal on them because I don't think they hold their value as well as their German, or Japanese, counterparts.

[12,000 RPM]

Interesting choice................... will have to look more into it, though I'm not sure it will really holds up against the other choices.........

[Vinsanity]

the pre-2014 CTS is a great commuter if you don't mind the subpar fuel economy

[CJ]

I know the CTS-V has already been offered up as a suggestion, but what about just a plain 3.6L gen 2 CTS?  Comfortable, decent power, competent handling, great looks...  Pretty compelling package and you can probably get a decent deal on them because I don't think they hold their value as well as their German, or Japanese, counterparts.

They don't hold their value because they're shit cars. They're cheap for a reason.

[CaminoRacer]

What's wrong with them?

[CJ]

What's wrong with them?

Water leaks, timing chains, door lock actuators, differentials...

[12,000 RPM]

I had the feeling.

A new challenger enters....



Only downside.... no LSD. Well, and is a good bit slower than the others out of the box, and has that weird gearing. Mixed feelings, don't think I wanna do another "I think I can" 4 banger.... or stickshift.....

[68_427]

TSX V6 then.