$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

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I'm over the 200 idea. I still like how it looks, but cost per mile and aftermarket suck. It's just funny to see people get angry about it

Realistically, G37S 7AT, but I really do want to give a V6 Camry a drive at least as its cost per mile will literally be like 1/2 that of the G, with not a ton lost satisfaction wise in the context of my daily grind. Probably 60%+ of my driving is on the highway, with 30% in town stuck behind somebody, and the remaining 10% where I can cut loose on a back road. Lower purchase price + an extra $100/mo from gas in my pocket is nothing to sneeze at either. It's a responsible look. Internet approval/image is of little to no importance to me.

[MexicoCityM3]

Internet approval/image is of little to no importance to me.

We know. 

It's hard to pick something more boring than the Civic but it seems you'll manage to do it.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

We know. 

It's hard to pick something more boring than the Civic but it seems you'll manage to do it.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I voted for turbo Civic.

[Cookie Monster]

I'm over the 200 idea. I still like how it looks, but cost per mile and aftermarket suck. It's just funny to see people get angry about it

Realistically, G37S 7AT, but I really do want to give a V6 Camry a drive at least as its cost per mile will literally be like 1/2 that of the G, with not a ton lost satisfaction wise in the context of my daily grind. Probably 60%+ of my driving is on the highway, with 30% in town stuck behind somebody, and the remaining 10% where I can cut loose on a back road. Lower purchase price + an extra $100/mo from gas in my pocket is nothing to sneeze at either. It's a responsible look. Internet approval/image is of little to no importance to me.

What's the daily split look like between the bike and car? You seem pretty over cars as a whole so it'd make sense to get a Camry or something if you just would rather ride.

I would also rather ride but still don't want to give up driving. If I were to do it again I'd get something with practical with a stick, like a wagon, and not something so hardcore like the Miata, but eh.

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What's the daily split look like between the bike and car? You seem pretty over cars as a whole so it'd make sense to get a Camry or something if you just would rather ride.

I would also rather ride but still don't want to give up driving. If I were to do it again I'd get something with practical with a stick, like a wagon, and not something so hardcore like the Miata, but eh.

I probably ride like 20% of the time. When the weather works I ride like 3-4 days a week but I'm pretty picky about the weather. It's gonna go up though now that I have this photochromic helmet visor. So that's a big part of the meh. I'd need something like a Cayman  to match the agility of the bike. It's not even worth trying to pursue. So something comfy that can discipline people on the highway and looks good enough to get the "look back" is enough for me.

Truthfully I should have got a G sedan when I got the Z, but I couldn't afford one with low enough miles to keep for a long time at that point. Now I can

[Vinsanity]

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=437122460

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=440179553

I've been giving these more consideration than I probably should be, but for the same price as a new Civic turbo, these are hard to beat.

[68_427]

[Cookie Monster]

Damn, pretty crazy how well Infiniti G wheels fit on a Camry...

[68_427]

Yeah and those Highlander ones look good too, but probably weigh 28lbs lol

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Ha ha, those are pretty funny.

I definitely prefer the 2012-2014 body style more. Looks better and has paddleshift

[68_427]

FINE THEN

[68_427]

Wait nvm that's the same gen

[Eye of the Tiger]

Camriee are so disgusting. I'd rather have a 4 cyl Accord.

[12,000 RPM]

Wait nvm that's the same gen

[12,000 RPM]

Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.

How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?

Go.

[Cookie Monster]

Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.

How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?

Go.

It's not. It just doesn't have that "cool" factor.

Plus, my 4Runner had a manual. 

[MX793]

Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.

How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?

Go.

Ride quality and fuel economy will be better in the Camry.  Land Rover reliability is notoriously poor and they aren't cheap to fix.

It's a shame 1st gen Mazda6s are getting long in the tooth.  Not as huge as many of their contemporaries, but could still comfortably carry 4 adults (or fit a child seat).  Relatively athletic handling.  V6 was reasonably peppy.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I recommend a Mercedes-Benz 240D

[Cookie Monster]

Ride quality and fuel economy will be better in the Camry.  Land Rover reliability is notoriously poor and they aren't cheap to fix.

It's a shame 1st gen Mazda6s are getting long in the tooth.  Not as huge as many of their contemporaries, but could still comfortably carry 4 adults (or fit a child seat).  Relatively athletic handling.  V6 was reasonably peppy.

The 5 door was so cool. I wish that was more popular. 5 door MS6 would have been amazing.

[RomanChariot]

I recommend a Mercedes-Benz 240D

I'll see your 240D and raise you a Volvo 240DL stick shift.

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Ride quality and fuel economy will be better in the Camry.  Land Rover reliability is notoriously poor and they aren't cheap to fix.

It's a shame 1st gen Mazda6s are getting long in the tooth.  Not as huge as many of their contemporaries, but could still comfortably carry 4 adults (or fit a child seat).  Relatively athletic handling.  V6 was reasonably peppy.

I was looking at them when I bought the Civic. Too many problems.

2nd gens have a nice sized V6 but man are they ugly. Gas guzzlers and auto only too. Nearest Mazda dealer to me is about 11 miles away and the opposite way from work as opposed to the Toyota dealer which is half the distance and right off the highway on the way to work. Not a terrible suggestion but the Camry still wins.... 09 Camrys look way better IMO.

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It's not. It just doesn't have that "cool" factor.

This is kind of what I want to get at the root of. No snark or anything, but does this really matter? Do bros here really factor in other people's feelings about a car into their purchasing decisions? At least to the degree that it would sway them away from a car that would be a better choice for their needs?

[Cookie Monster]

This is kind of what I want to get at the root of. No snark or anything, but does this really matter? Do bros here really factor in other people's feelings about a car into their purchasing decisions? At least to the degree that it would sway them away from a car that would be a better choice for their needs?

I think it's because it's the "unthusiast" car. It's what the average person gets.

It's a great car for what it is, just seems like the easy choice, and I'm surprised you want one since you seem to like the quirky choices.

[MrH]

Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.

How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?

Go.

It's not worse

I drive a 4Runner because I like and use the utility of it.

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I think it's because it's the "unthusiast" car. It's what the average person gets.

It's a great car for what it is, just seems like the easy choice, and I'm surprised you want one since you seem to like the quirky choices.

In the context of enthusiasts, it IS the quirky choice

Plus the low maintenance and operating costs are really appealing. It will be as cheap to operate as my Civic, minus replacement engines and plus a little more oil.

People said the coilovers and stuff are bad ideas, but I don't see how mods on a Camry are worse than mods on anything else. Something like a G37S or 335i are pretty damn good out of the box, but if I were to mod those I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Camry needs the mods more for that base level of dynamic competence I still want.

[Cookie Monster]

In the context of enthusiasts, it IS the quirky choice

Plus the low maintenance and operating costs are really appealing. It will be as cheap to operate as my Civic, minus replacement engines and plus a little more oil.

People said the coilovers and stuff are bad ideas, but I don't see how mods on a Camry are worse than mods on anything else. Something like a G37S or 335i are pretty damn good out of the box, but if I were to mod those I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Camry needs the mods more for that base level of dynamic competence I still want.

Because it seems like a waste of money if you ever sell the car. If you swap everything back to stock you can sell the car but then you still have a bunch of useless mods that will be a bitch to get rid of. I'm imagining there isn't much of a market for aftermarket used parts.

[SJ_GTI]

I mean, I've driven a Camry and its not bad...just numb. I think the only rentals I've had that I didn't like were a Nissan Altima (last generation I think) and a Hyundai Sonata (2 gens ago). I had a Malibu a few years ago and thought it was perfectly acceptable as well. Not something I'd buy myself (because I like smaller, sportier cars) but it handled competently and was comfortable.

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Because it seems like a waste of money if you ever sell the car. If you swap everything back to stock you can sell the car but then you still have a bunch of useless mods that will be a bitch to get rid of. I'm imagining there isn't much of a market for aftermarket used parts.

Doing anything but buying a 5 year old car and driving it for 200K miles is a waste of money. Might as well have fun with it

Unless I really end up loving this thing it's gonna be a transitional car anyway. Like I said before I could see myself in an M235i or I/GS350 F-sport for a very long time once they're in my price range. Probably won't even mod those. But I do want something a little more chill and quick in the short term. Modded Camry V6 can bridge the gap.

[MrH]

In the context of enthusiasts, it IS the quirky choice

Plus the low maintenance and operating costs are really appealing. It will be as cheap to operate as my Civic, minus replacement engines and plus a little more oil.

People said the coilovers and stuff are bad ideas, but I don't see how mods on a Camry are worse than mods on anything else. Something like a G37S or 335i are pretty damn good out of the box, but if I were to mod those I doubt anyone would bat an eye. Camry needs the mods more for that base level of dynamic competence I still want.

Because the whole car isn't designed for it.  It's not like the Camry is some amazing sports car, just waiting for a decent set of shocks to unleash it's potential.  The whole thing is flawed from a dynamics perspective.  And no one wants coilovers for it, so there aren't even any decent options.  You're stuck with some no name garbage set of coilovers.  So you're going to ruin the smooth ride and gain nothing essentially.