$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

Started by 12,000 RPM, September 04, 2016, 02:20:39 PM

What would you pick?

2012+ Civic Si
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Focus ST
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E90 335i
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G35/G37 6MT sedan
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Fuck it :huh: Built R18 + turbo kit + drive Demon Civic into a pile of ashes
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Total Members Voted: 16

12,000 RPM

Quote from: MrH on October 13, 2016, 12:14:13 PM
Because the whole car isn't designed for it.  It's not like the Camry is some amazing sports car, just waiting for a decent set of shocks to unleash it's potential.  The whole thing is flawed from a dynamics perspective.  And no one wants coilovers for it, so there aren't even any decent options.  You're stuck with some no name garbage set of coilovers.  So you're going to ruin the smooth ride and gain nothing essentially.
Lol. There are Bilstein B14 kits for the VW Beetle, VW Passat, Lexus GS300, Mazda 2 etc.... availability of coilovers has nothing to do with the dynamic potential of a platform. How is a Camry any more dynamically flawed than a Passat?

And Tein makes coilovers for it, as do Fortune Auto, who sends a dyno test out with every set they build #datdigression

Bottom line is you are trying to present your personal beliefs/tastes as some kind of objective truth, and failing :lol: If coilovers are OK for a FWD A6 they are OK for a Camry.
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MrH

I think they're also a waste for a Passat.
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12,000 RPM

By your logic, coilovers from a legit brand for them exist, so they can't be a waste :lol:

And nobody said anything about coilovers turning a family sedan into a sports car. They'll tighten up the ride and make it look good. Roads down here are butter smooth so ride quality is no biggie. The Z was comfortable and the Civic almost feels downright soft despite the STs having springs 2x stiffer than stock

Just say "I don't want you to do this because I don't like it" and stop with these weak ass faux rationalizations :lol:
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Madman

A Camry?  A FU**ING Camry?!?!?

Hand over your gearhead card!  It's just been revoked!



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68_427

I put cheap coils on an old Outback so i don't really see a problem.  If he doesn't like it oh well... he only spent his money so instead of bitch why not wait for the possible fail and just point and laugh?
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 01:50:42 PM
I put cheap coils on an old Outback so i don't really see a problem.  If he doesn't like it oh well... he only spent his money so instead of bitch why not wait for the possible fail and just point and laugh?
Exactly. No sweat off your back. My life, your entertainment :praise: You should be happy to cross paths with a guy willing to put coilovers on a Camry

I think this has the potential to be if not awesome, at least interesting and practical enough to warrant doing.
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2o6


12,000 RPM

That is not bad at all. Not great, but not bad
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Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
Post workout endorphins prompted a thought.

How is a Camry V6 any worse than a 4Runner or Land Rover Discovery Sport for daily driver duty?

Go. :popcorn:

You're giving up a lot of utility for possibly even more boring to drive.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

12,000 RPM

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Rear 3/4 is definitely not its best angle. Especially while getting passed :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnNdIVO1-8M

Quote from: Raza  on October 13, 2016, 06:31:42 PM
You're giving up a lot of utility for possibly even more boring to drive.



You could enjoy cars so much more if you didn't take them so seriously :lol:
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Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
Rear 3/4 is definitely not its best angle. Especially while getting passed :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnNdIVO1-8M



You could enjoy cars so much more if you didn't take them so seriously :lol:

Yes, we know it's fast. And it can make noises. But it's fugly. And I have to assume the brakes, steering and shift logic are as infuriating as ever. Anyway, wouldn't you rather have an Accord?
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 13, 2016, 07:49:56 PM
Yes, we know it's fast. And it can make noises. But it's fugly. And I have to assume the brakes, steering and shift logic are as infuriating as ever. Anyway, wouldn't you rather have an Accord?

Naw I did the Accord thing already. Had friends with V6 Accords and TLs. Did the VQ thing too obviously. Have to cross the final frontier of decent Japanese V6s
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Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 08:09:14 PM
Naw I did the Accord thing already. Had friends with V6 Accords and TLs. Did the VQ thing too obviously. Have to cross the final frontier of decent Japanese V6s

This is the worst logic to force yourself to buy a pointless car. It sounds like something I would do, except I would never spend so much money to do itm
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Raza

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 13, 2016, 07:43:47 PM
Rear 3/4 is definitely not its best angle. Especially while getting passed :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnNdIVO1-8M



You could enjoy cars so much more if you didn't take them so seriously :lol:

1. I enjoy cars plenty--there just aren't many cars that are enjoyable.
2. I take everything seriously.
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Quote from: the Teuton on October 05, 2009, 03:53:18 PMIt's impossible to argue with Raza. He wins. Period. End of discussion.

Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: Raza  on October 13, 2016, 09:26:56 PM
1. I enjoy cars plenty--there just aren't many cars that are enjoyable.
2. I take everything seriously.

1. Thruxton
2. I like turtles
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68_427

Quotewhere were you when automotive dream died
i was sat at home drinking brake fluid when wife ring
'racecar is die'
no


Gotta-Qik-C7

11 Pages and we're at a Modded Camry? You guys are getting old.........
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For $20k I'll sell you the El Camino. 5.7L V8, 400 HP, coilovers, drilled and slotted rotors, subwoofer, and a big bed for shaggin. What more could a man want?
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68_427

Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 13, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
For $20k I'll sell you the El Camino. 5.7L V8, 400 HP, coilovers, drilled and slotted rotors, subwoofer, and a big bed for shaggin. What more could a man want?

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Quotewhere were you when automotive dream died
i was sat at home drinking brake fluid when wife ring
'racecar is die'
no


12,000 RPM

Quote from: CaminoRacer on October 13, 2016, 10:44:07 PM
For $20k I'll sell you the El Camino. 5.7L V8, 400 HP, coilovers, drilled and slotted rotors, subwoofer, and a big bed for shaggin. What more could a man want?
Airbags, a back seat for my future children, and fuel economy in the double digits

Guys I still have the motorcycle. As far as coolness goes that trumps all. Stop freaking out :lol:
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: 68_427 on October 13, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?8243993-A-car-guy-s-take-on-the-Camry

QuotePeople love to hate on it because they think doing so is edgy or cool and makes them the next Jeremy Clarkson (I mean its one thing to hate on a Camry because it isn't a sports car, but it is kind of funny to see people hate on the Camry when they drive a Hyundai Camry or Honda Camry or Volkswagen Camry).

The current Camry is a great car for general use. And if you drive a current SE you'd be surprised. It has a totally different feel from the LE and handles excellent, about as good as any FWD family sedan I've driven. The handling is on par with a smaller car. In fact I'd even almost go as far to say that it is TOO sporty, because the ride is actually pretty rough for that type of car, due to the suspension changes.

I also think the current refresh is a great looking car too. It isn't fat and bloated like they were 10 years ago, and they got rid of all the plastic cladding that were on the earlier SEs.

:hammerhead:
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How could you not want a CTS-V, first generation? :hammerhead:
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12,000 RPM

Quote from: Eye of the Tiger on October 14, 2016, 04:47:13 AM
How could you not want a CTS-V, first generation? :hammerhead:
Buddy of mine has one. They mostly fit the bill, but the consumables are crazy. Soooo expensive to maintain
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68_427

Quotewhere were you when automotive dream died
i was sat at home drinking brake fluid when wife ring
'racecar is die'
no


Eye of the Tiger

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 05:48:16 AM
Buddy of mine has one. They mostly fit the bill, but the consumables are crazy. Soooo expensive to maintain

Don't be silly. Besides, you can figure out most of it yourself.
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CaminoRacer

Quote from: 12,000 RPM on October 14, 2016, 04:41:35 AM
Airbags, a back seat for my future children, and fuel economy in the double digits

Guys I still have the motorcycle. As far as coolness goes that trumps all. Stop freaking out :lol:

I can bolt some child seats in the bed. Fuel economy is 15! And airbags, uhh, I can probably find some leftover Takata ones to throw in. :lol:
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