$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

[12,000 RPM]

http://www.trdusa.com/superchargers.html

Here's what fits the Camry

http://www.trdusa.com/parts-results.html?years=2013&models=Camry&categories=all&subcategories=all

[Madman]

Airbags, a back seat for my future children, and fuel economy in the double digits

Guys I still have the motorcycle. As far as coolness goes that trumps all. Stop freaking out

Okay, I'm really going to have to confiscate that gearhead card now! 

[2o6]

Morris Ital

[12,000 RPM]

Okay, I'm really going to have to confiscate that gearhead card now! 

You can have it. Gearheads/enthusiasts are uptight as fuck

[2o6]

Oh come on, these cars aren't very interesting and there's a lot out there that do all the things you want and are better to drive.



I told you, I drove a V6 camry for a solid day


- the throttle mapping and tuning make it feel significantly less sporty and fast than you keep asserting

- the steering is vague

- it's not even as comfortable as a compact CUV

[12,000 RPM]

Was it an SE? SE actually has a lot of differences from the others. I've heard they add more welds to the chassis... suspension geometry is different too. It's basically a Camry Type-R

[2o6]

From that generation (2007-2010) I think the SE was just an appearance package.

[MX793]

Was it an SE? SE actually has a lot of differences from the others. I've heard they add more welds to the chassis... suspension geometry is different too. It's basically a Camry Type-R

06 or 07 through 11 SEs got extra chassis bracing.  12+ SEs only got stiffer springs and dampers (possibly bushings and sway bars).

[12,000 RPM]

They probably applied the chassis rigidity stuff from the 07-11 SE's motorsport successes to all the 12+ Camrys

[MX793]

06 or 07 through 11 SEs got extra chassis bracing.  12+ SEs only got stiffer springs and dampers (possibly bushings and sway bars).

And all of those chassis upgrades apparently did not produce anything particularly sporty

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test

[MX793]

And all of those chassis upgrades apparently did not produce anything particularly sporty

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test

The 2012 refresh didn't add any more sportiness, and the EPAS removed whatever feel the older SE's steering had gained.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/toyota-camry-se-v6-road-test-review

[12,000 RPM]

And all of those chassis upgrades apparently did not produce anything particularly sporty

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-toyota-camry-se-short-take-road-test

After driving the Mazda 3 I take C&D's exaltations and damnations of mainstreamers with a big grain of salt.

Here is a much more positive review from someone who knows what they're talking about in about the most sporting context for a road test possible:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/05/review-toyota-camry-se-2-5l-track-tested/

"Admittedly, I'm an old hand at tossing a crappy sedan around racetracks but on the wet skidpad the Camry showed the whole paddock the sterling qualities of its chassis. It was possible to distinctly and accurately feel the "bite point" where the front wheels found their maximum traction through the water, at which point a quick lift of the throttle would put the big sedan lazily sideways for a full half-circle of the skidpad. Camry drifting! I can't criticize the steering of any car where that's possible. Period, point blank. This car steers very well."

Granted this is the 4 and not the 6 but

Camry is just an easy target for self-identifying "car enthusiasts"

[MX793]

After driving the Mazda 3 I take C&D's exaltations and damnations of mainstreamers with a big grain of salt.

Here is a much more positive review from someone who knows what they're talking about in about the most sporting context for a road test possible:

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/05/review-toyota-camry-se-2-5l-track-tested/

"Admittedly, I'm an old hand at tossing a crappy sedan around racetracks but on the wet skidpad the Camry showed the whole paddock the sterling qualities of its chassis. It was possible to distinctly and accurately feel the "bite point" where the front wheels found their maximum traction through the water, at which point a quick lift of the throttle would put the big sedan lazily sideways for a full half-circle of the skidpad. Camry drifting! I can't criticize the steering of any car where that's possible. Period, point blank. This car steers very well."

Granted this is the 4 and not the 6 but

Camry is just an easy target for self-identifying "car enthusiasts"

Let's apply a little logic.  C&D praised the sporting character and steering feel of the Mazda3.  You drove one and found it lackluster and unsatisfactory.  They denounce the sporting character of a Camry, and you think it will be good?  If their idea of praiseworthy sporting character is below your standards, imagine how bad their idea of un-sporty is...

Also, having numb steering doesn't mean you can't sense when the front end is about to let go.  Accurate steering and tactile steering are two distinct things.  I have hundreds of auto-x runs in a car that had little to no steering feel.  That doesn't mean I had no sense of what was happening at the tires.  I just couldn't count on the steering wheel to tell me much of anything.

Also, being able to chuck a car sideways on a wet skid pad doesn't mean it's good to drive otherwise.  See: Ford Crown Victoria.  The Camry has intrusive and non-defeatable stability control.  On a wet skidpad, limits are low enough that you can coax most any car, even with intrusive nannies, into a slide.  You can coax a school bus into a drift in those conditions.

[12,000 RPM]

Let's apply a little logic.  C&D praised the sporting character and steering feel of the Mazda3.  You drove one and found it lackluster and unsatisfactory.  They denounce the sporting character of a Camry, and you think it will be good?  If their idea of praiseworthy sporting character is below your standards, imagine how bad their idea of un-sporty is...

Also, having numb steering doesn't mean you can't sense when the front end is about to let go.  Accurate steering and tactile steering are two distinct things.  I have hundreds of auto-x runs in a car that had little to no steering feel.  That doesn't mean I had no sense of what was happening at the tires.  I just couldn't count on the steering wheel to tell me much of anything.

Also, being able to chuck a car sideways on a wet skid pad doesn't mean it's good to drive otherwise.  See: Ford Crown Victoria.  The Camry has intrusive and non-defeatable stability control.  On a wet skidpad, limits are low enough that you can coax most any car, even with intrusive nannies, into a slide.  You can coax a school bus into a drift in those conditions.

I don't think C&D's sportiness standards are ridiculously high; I just think their driving impressions are a bit hyperbolic and inconsistent. The Mazda3 and Golf drive exactly the same, yet they call one the dynamic dynamo of its segment while they call the other "competent". Add the fact that the Camry is the autojourno + internet contrarian's favorite whipping boy and I'd say it's hard to get an honest appraisal of one from either source. People dump on it to prove how "into cars" they are.

[Raza]

Lawl, so much rationalizing. It's basically a Camry Type R, I still have a motorcycle (even though it's Japanese; I may not know much about bikes, but I know cool, and Japanese bikes are nerdy and tryhard-y   ).

Just get the New Camry, aka AWD Infiniti G and you won't be so stressed to justify it. I know, you've already had a VQ, but not having owned a car yet isn't a good reason to own one. You've never had a Dodge Caliber either.

[12,000 RPM]

Stressed to justify When have I ever sought you guys approval on anything? This is a fun argument for me

Try hard You don't want to go there

I'm gonna get whatever makes the most sense for me to get... if that winds up being a Camry, so be it

[MX793]

I don't see the Camry as any more a whipping boy than any other midsize appliance without sporting intentions.  There's nothing wrong with a car not being sharp, engaging, or sporty.  Lots of people just want something safe, comfortable, quiet, and reliable to convey them from A to B.  That is who cars like the Camry, Taurus, Malibu, and practically anything with a Buick badge caters to, and it's a huge portion of the market.  There's nothing wrong with that.  But let's call a spade a spade, here.  The Camry is not a sporty car built to satisfy enthusiasts' desires for an engaging drive.  It's a safe, quiet, comfortable, and reliable appliance made to get you from here to there without drama or raising your pulse.

[12,000 RPM]

I was joking with the Camry Type-R stuff. I know it's not that sporty, and I don't think putting coilovers on one will make it so. Looking for something comfy, cheap to run and fast, that's all. This definitely checks those boxes

[2o6]

Big engined CUV

[12,000 RPM]

Wifey will get the CUV, CUV makes no sense for me.

[Gotta-Qik-C7]

I knew this thread was gonna be good!

[12,000 RPM]

I knew this thread was gonna be good!

Me too

[Raza]

Stressed to justify When have I ever sought you guys approval on anything? This is a fun argument for me

Try hard You don't want to go there

I'm gonna get whatever makes the most sense for me to get... if that winds up being a Camry, so be it

For someone who isn't looking for approval, you sure seem to be asking for it a lot. 

[68_427]

Here's what fits the Camry

http://www.trdusa.com/parts-results.html?years=2013&models=Camry&categories=all&subcategories=all

used one

[CaminoRacer]

[giant_mtb]

Those turbos look like they're for decoration purposes only.

[r0tor]

WTF is going on in here 

[Eye of the Tiger]

I like to run air filters on my cars. Although, I drove the Element without an air filter for several thousand miles.

[MX793]

Hondas don't need air filters.  They're just there to restrict the intake to take some of the edge off when VTEC kicks in else it causes occupants to get whiplash.

[Eye of the Tiger]

Hondas don't need air filters.  They're just there to restrict the intake to take some of the edge off when VTEC kicks in else it causes occupants to get whiplash.

True. Also, the VTEC filter will clog up much faster without an air filter in place. Ask me how I know.