$20K for a more powerful DD.... WWCSD?

[Char]

He'll keep making excuses until he buys it - or something else unrelated. Says the BMW is unreliable and already replaced the engine in the Civic.

If you want a Camry, get a Camry - best of luck.

[12,000 RPM]

Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal

Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years

[Laconian]

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[FoMoJo]

Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal

Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years

Have you bought it yet?

[BimmerM3]

I actually understand the want for the Camry.  But don't talk about doing Evora cam swaps   You're going to ruin what you want, which is a reliable, comfortable ride for cheap.

Not to mention resale value (though suspension mods are relatively easy to undo, if that's all he's gonna do).

Still, without having driven any of them, it seems like an Accord or Mazda 6 would fit all the criteria and be better to drive stock.

[BimmerM3]

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[12,000 RPM]

Not to mention resale value (though suspension mods are relatively easy to undo, if that's all he's gonna do).

Still, without having driven any of them, it seems like an Accord or Mazda 6 would fit all the criteria and be better to drive stock.

Stock is the key word here. Modded it's a wash, the chassis differences mostly come down to tuning and tires. Plus Im not building a track beast anyway... I've been down here for 4 years this May and have done 1 track day in rented cars.

[BimmerM3]

Here's a good reason to buy German: Japanese cars make people kill themselves.

[12,000 RPM]

There's a lot wrong with that chart I don't have the energy to get into now

[SJ_GTI]

Seem legit to me. FWIW I have never bought a Japanese car and I have never committed suicide, so it definitely correlates with my experience.

[BimmerM3]

There's a lot wrong with that chart I don't have the energy to get into now

lol no shit. I got it from a page called "Spurious Correlations."

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[MrH]

[Char]

Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal

Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years

I have nothing against Japanese cars, I was partial to Nissan for a while personally (Now they just make trash). But you've done this a bunch. With the 350Z, with the Civic, and now with the Camry. It's a great car if you want a quiet reliable appliance, and it will never be anything more than that. The transmission will always shift slow, it will always be front heavy and it will always lack feedback and engagement - just know that going in to this.

I don't think a E92 coupe is right for everyone, but it was right for me. They only regret I have was not getting a 335i...maybe...possibly. But hey, it's your money.

[Raza]

Civic engine replacement was brought on by a misshift + low oil- something that could have happened in a BMW too, given that them burning a quart every 1000 miles is considered normal

Much of the belly aching over the Camry is just people projecting their own insecurities and fears onto a decision that in reality has no effect on their lives lol. Aside from the E90 328i beating straight line speed, easy + cheap ownership, quiet ride etc the sheer terror displayed by the likes of you and Raza is just icing on top. It's going to be a fun 2 years

Sheer terror? Have you been reading my posts or just making stuff up? I'm only looking out for you, mate.

[Soup DeVille]

I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.

[Eye of the Tiger]

I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.

Camry is just an anti-enthusiast step to the side and down. It makes less than zero sense.

[Raza]

I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.

I think he really wants a G35/7, but he's too much of a self-described iconoclast to jump on the G train. 

[MrH]

He's hipster sporty. Contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. As long as he identifies it as unique, it's cool to him. The actual merits of the decision do not matter

[giant_mtb]

Meh, his merits are just different.

[12,000 RPM]

I still think what you really want is an Accord, but you can't bring yourself to buy another to add to the 17 you've already had.

There's some truth to this. I actually do like the latest Accord. Problem is the one I want (current body V6 sedan) is not worth what they are asking (~20K). Within what I'm looking to spend (~10K) the Camry V6 is the way better choice.

Meh, his merits are just different.

That's all. I want something cheap + easy to own that's quick, quiet, roomy and good looking to me. Triggering the SPIN's self-identifying "enthusiasts/purists" is just icing on the cake People keep screaming "b-b-b-but what about driving engagement???" like I don't log a dozen hours a week racing or don't have a motorcycle. It is what it is. Gonna be a fun 2 years here

[GoCougs]

Again, the G37 is the better choice. Plenty of gently/moderately used Gs at well less than $20k - one should be able to get this for say $12k fairly easily:

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=98065&modelCode1=INFINQ40&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D98065%26doorCode%3D4%26showcaseOwnerId%3D0%26doorCodes%3D4%26startYear%3D1981%26maxMileage%3D75000%26endYear%3D2017%26modelCodeList%3DG37%252CINFINQ40%26makeCodeList%3DINFIN%26modelCode1%3DINFINQ40%26mmt%3D%255BINFIN%255BG37%255B%255DINFINQ40%255B%255D%255D%255B%255D%255D%26modelCode2%3DG37%26makeCode2%3DINFIN%26makeCode1%3DINFIN%26firstRecord%3D0%26searchRadius%3D25&showcaseOwnerId=0&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&makeCode1=INFIN&firstRecord=0&endYear=2017&searchRadius=25&listingId=446891522&makeCode1=INFIN&modelCode1=G37

[12,000 RPM]

Vs the Camry the G37 is

- Cramped (infant seat def wont fit behind wifey)
- more expensive to fuel up (premium + worse gas mileage)
- not much faster (~.3 in the quarter, picking nits)
- more expensive in general (price, tires, oil, probably insurance too)

I'm gonna keep the Camry until the kids can do booster seats (so longer than 2 yrs honestly) at which point I will go for a coupe, which opens things up tremendously. G doesn't work for what I want now or later

[Soup DeVille]

Vs the Camry the G37 is

- Cramped (infant seat def wont fit behind wifey)
- more expensive to fuel up (premium + worse gas mileage)
- not much faster (~.3 in the quarter, picking nits)
- more expensive in general (price, tires, oil, probably insurance too)

I'm gonna keep the Camry until the kids can do booster seats (so longer than 2 yrs honestly) at which point I will go for a coupe, which opens things up tremendously. G doesn't work for what I want now or later

You're having twins?

[12,000 RPM]

You're having twins?

No, we aren't having anything yet, but the long term goal is for 2 in relatively short succession.

[Soup DeVille]

No, we aren't having anything yet, but the long term goal is for 2 in relatively short succession.

So you're looking at four years at the absolute minimum. More likely six+ depending on how seriously you guys take the car seat guidelines.

[Eye of the Tiger]

1. Doesn't even have kids
2. Kids might be midgets, anyway
3. Wifey is getting a crossover/SUV

[Laconian]

First 90 Days: Trump will do away with seatbelts child car seats altogether. Kids will instead fly to safety through the windshield.

[12,000 RPM]

So you're looking at four years at the absolute minimum. More likely six+ depending on how seriously you guys take the car seat guidelines.

As with everything, I will cross that bridge when I get to it Current Lexus GSs will be doable by then.

[MX793]

First 90 Days: Trump will do away with seatbelts child car seats altogether. Kids will instead fly to safety through the windshield.

Ejection works for fighter pilots.

[Cookie Monster]

As with everything, I will cross that bridge when I get to it Current Lexus GSs will be doable by then.

I think you should just VIP a first/second gen LS400 and keep that forever.