The new Supra

[FoMoJo]

Why does it not even have the power of the z4?  Good grief this is a waste of a badge revival

Last year's engines?

[Onslaught]

I think it's ugly. I also think it's overpriced. And it's not even a Toyota.


I know the mechanics won't be looking forward to them. When you work at a dealership you do so because you like or at the very least are good at working on that brand of car. You do not enjoy working on other brands.

[Soup DeVille]

Why does it not even have the power of the z4?  Good grief this is a waste of a badge revival

Why would BMW make the Toyota faster than their own vehicle?

[MX793]

I think it's ugly. I also think it's overpriced. And it's not even a Toyota.


I know the mechanics won't be looking forward to them. When you work at a dealership you do so because you like or at the very least are good at working on that brand of car. You do not enjoy working on other brands.

Yeah, I'm sure this thing doesn't use any of the common Toyota parts like filters, which means the dealerships are going to have to stock some Supra-exclusive consumables.  BMW is also notorious for requiring proprietary tools.  I remember a former college professor going on a rant because the battery on his X5 was buried under a cover in the cargo area and required some kind of special wrench to open the compartment.  Hopefully Toyota was at least able to use their own SW in the engine control so techs can plug in using existing tools if they need to do stuff like reset oil life monitors and whatnot.

[MX793]

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/?adtypeFacet=Vehicles+for+Sale&makeFacet=Toyota&modelFacet%5B%5D=Supra&range_zip=&distance=&price_min=&price_max=&year_min=&year_max=&categoryFacet=&country=&q=

Some of the older ones are looking like they're on the rise.

Still far from the MkIVs.  When you've got MKII and IIIs going for ~12-15K and MkIVs going for 4-10x that despite only being a couple of years newer...

[12,000 RPM]

Why does it not even have the power of the z4?  Good grief this is a waste of a badge revival

The last successful Japanese badge revival was the Z.

[MX793]

The last successful Japanese badge revival was the Z.

Because Nissan wisely priced it competitively with the Mustang GT which, until the 5.0 hit in '11, was a comparable performer (at best).

[68_427]

The E86 M was around $50k wasn't it?  This is basically a new version of that car for the same price?  The interior will be better than every competitor mentioned save for the Cayman.  I just really don't see a problem with the price.  It's a BMW Z4 coupe with a B58 for $50k.  Cars are expensive these days.

[68_427]

The entire center console looks like it was designed for RHD.

Isn't the grab handle supposed to be on the other side of the console?  LOL

"FWIW the design intent was to have a narrow, focused driver's cockpit with ample bracing for one's knee in high-G cornering whereas the passenger side was designed to be open and spacious. Interior designers rode along in 86s during the ADAC 24h race at Nurburging to see how the driver interacts the the interior during race conditions."

This is supposedly why the interior is laid out how it is.

[cawimmer430]

The exterior styling is just bizarre. However it does come across as something sporty so I guess it didn't fail in that regard. But honestly it looks like someone took a C-HR, ripped out the rear doors, flattened it, shrunk it and remodeled the headlights and so forth. Bizarre!

The interior design looks Toyotaish, even with the BMW switchgear. Anyone else notice that the infotainment software is also straight out of a BMW?

The first reviews are gonna be interesting. Now's the time to go to a Toyota Forum and check out the reactions there.

[cawimmer430]

Whoa, the new Supra is a bargain! 


That $121,000 Toyota Supra Is Back Up For Sale...For Half A Million Dollars

Remember that pristine 1994 Toyota Supra we told you about earlier this month? It's back up for sale for a staggering $500,000 (£392,835 / €438,737).

Listed by Chicago Northside Toyota, the dealership is asking someone pay a markup of $379,000 (£297,713 / €332,625). That's a huge ask considering the car sold for $121,000 (£95,024 / €106,195) on January 3rd and doesn't suddenly come with a Ferrari stuffed in the truck.





So what explains the massive markup? Apparently the dealer's "market value pricing" philosophy which is plastered on all their used vehicle listings.

According to the dealer, they use "real-time Internet price comparisons to constantly adjust prices to provide ALL BUYERS the ""BEST MARKET VALUE"" vehicle's (sic) possible." That seems a bit dubious as the one of the best ways to judge real-time internet prices might be an online auction, perhaps one where the car sold for $121,000 (£95,024 / €106,195)...

While the listing doesn't show pictures of the Supra, it notes the car is a "recent arrival" and wears VIN JT2JA82J8R0017477. That same VIN was listed on the Bring a Trailer auction, so it means the cars are the same – barring some sort of typo.





We've reached out to Chicago Northside Toyota to confirm the price is accurate and the Supra is indeed the same one that was sold earlier this month. We haven't heard back, as of yet, but we'll update this post if they respond.

The massive price tag is hard to fathom, but it's possible the dealership simply bought the car to help promote the 2020 Supra and is keeping the price artificially high to dissuade would-be buyers. That remains to be seen, but fans of the new car could buy ten for the price of this particular model.


Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/121k-toyota-supra-back-sale-500k/

[12,000 RPM]

Good for them, hope they get spanked by the market

[FoMoJo]

I see that they're auctioning the first 2020 Supra at Barrett-Jackson as a feature charity car.

[giant_mtb]

Whoever wrote that article needs to (sic) themselves. 

[FoMoJo]

I guess someone likes it...First 2020 Toyota Supra Sold for $2.1 Million at Barrett-Jackson

[MX793]

The E86 M was around $50k wasn't it?  This is basically a new version of that car for the same price?  The interior will be better than every competitor mentioned save for the Cayman.  I just really don't see a problem with the price.  It's a BMW Z4 coupe with a B58 for $50k.  Cars are expensive these days.

The E85/6 M cars came out 13 years ago.  The automotive landscape has changed in that time.

[MexicoCityM3]

This may turn out to be the best driving BMW available.

[cawimmer430]

 


BMW Zupra: Here's What The New Toyota Supra Looks Like With A BMW Z4 Face

While the BMW Z4 and the all-new Toyota Supra share a common platform, as well as multiple components and even engines, they do look way more different than, let's say, a Subaru BRZ and a Toyota 86 do.
But then again, one (Z4) is a roadster, and the other (Supra), a coupe. So, what would happen if they also shared the same bodystyle?



As you know, the new Z4 was first to the table, featuring a wide twin-kidney grille design for the front, large air intakes, sweptback headlights and a dynamically-styled hood. The Supra, on the other hand, has an even more aggressive-looking front fascia, with massive teardrop headlights and flared wheel arches.

BMW didn't really take any massive risks with the profile and rear end design of its latest Z4. The German roadster has sharp yet clean lines, while the L-shaped taillights add more visual width to the rear end, helping the car seem more planted.

Toyota went another way with the Supra, giving it a more distinctive form factor, with powerful rear wheel arches to mirror the front ones and a more "exotic" rear pillar design, if you will. It looks more like a supercar than the BMW Z4, which was probably the plan all along.

But what if someone took the Supra's aggressive rear end and combined it with the Z4's more...PG-13 front fascia? Well, it so happens that someone did, with designer Kleber Silva mixing the two models together to create the BMW Supra, or the Toyota Z4, whichever works for you.

The end result is, let's say interesting, as it makes you think about what a hypothetical BMW Z4 Coupe could look like. Otherwise, the two design languages don't blend as well as one might initially think, which is evident as soon as you look at the rear, the creases on the hood and the shape of the front spoiler.



Link: https://www.carscoops.com/2019/01/heres-new-toyota-supra-looks-like-bmw-z4-face/

[Eye of the Tiger]

This may turn out to be the best driving BMW available.

And the most reliable.

[r0tor]

I guess someone likes it...First 2020 Toyota Supra Sold for $2.1 Million at Barrett-Jackson

Every year some rich bastard looking for a tax write off pays an obnoxious amount of money for something not worth it

[12,000 RPM]

Every year some rich bastard looking for a tax write off pays an obnoxious amount of money for something not worth it

And you get furiously jealous every time lol

Dude at R&T has an idea for the Supra

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a25949060/new-toyota-supra-should-have-been-suv-crossover/

[GoCougs]

Every year some rich bastard looking for a tax write off pays an obnoxious amount of money for something not worth it

Anyone remotely rich enough to pay such a price does not think like this, let alone do this.

[r0tor]

Anyone remotely rich enough to pay such a price does not think like this, let alone do this.

Every year this happens when someone pays 50-100x sticker price for a charity car

[BimmerM3]

Every year this happens when someone pays 50-100x sticker price for a charity car

The tax write off might make it more reasonable than the sale amount, but that doesn't mean they're doing for the tax write off.

Just to make the math easy, let's say their marginal tax rate is 50%. They're not going to spend $2M at a charity auction just to save $1M in taxes because that still amounts to spending $1M on a car.

They do it because there's perceived value in owning the first of something.

[93JC]

Hmm, well after digesting this a little bit I'm kind of at a loss for words. The interior is okay, a little boring maybe, but the exterior is a mess. The details are just... bad. There's no other word or superlative for it, just 'bad'. The ducktail spoiler looks awful to me, too tall and narrow. The nose isn't a nose so much as a proboscis.

I don't 'get' this car. I don't understand why Toyota would agree to have it made. The Supra should be a halo car for them, something to show off their engineering chops with à la Corvette, but you have nothing to show for when a business partner makes the car for you with their own parts.

It's like a Fiat 124 Spider, but at least a Fiat 124 Spider has a Fiat engine, know what I mean? It's not "just a Miata in drag". A car like this has to be special to really 'work' as a halo car, but this isn't 'special' at all: it's just a BMW in drag.

TL;DR: meh

[Eye of the Tiger]

Hmm, well after digesting this a little bit I'm kind of at a loss for words. The interior is okay, a little boring maybe, but the exterior is a mess. The details are just... bad. There's no other word or superlative for it, just 'bad'. The ducktail spoiler looks awful to me, too tall and narrow. The nose isn't a nose so much as a proboscis.

I don't 'get' this car. I don't understand why Toyota would agree to have it made. The Supra should be a halo car for them, something to show off their engineering chops with à la Corvette, but you have nothing to show for when a business partner makes the car for you with their own parts.

It's like a Fiat 124 Spider, but at least a Fiat 124 Spider has a Fiat engine, know what I mean? It's not "just a Miata in drag". A car like this has to be special to really 'work' as a halo car, but this isn't 'special' at all: it's just a BMW in drag.

TL;DR: meh

tl;dr: toyota is fucktarded

[Onslaught]

I cars like these are the reason I don't give a fuck about cars anymore. This isn't a Toyota, it's a BMW. And this is happening more and more.

Cars cost too fucking much. I hear "with inflation it's the same as the last Supra." Well you know what? It cost too fucking much too. That's why it failed.

RX-7's, Supra, 300Z and the fat ass 3000GT all priced themselves out of their market. I'm not paying this much for a Japanese sports car unless it's an NSX.

[r0tor]

The tax write off might make it more reasonable than the sale amount, but that doesn't mean they're doing for the tax write off.

Just to make the math easy, let's say their marginal tax rate is 50%. They're not going to spend $2M at a charity auction just to save $1M in taxes because that still amounts to spending $1M on a car.

They do it because there's perceived value in owning the first of something.

Barret Jackson charity cars are a politically correct dick measuring contest.  Nobody bidding more then 150k thought of it as an investment.  They outbid each other to show one another up and then get 50% of the money back.

[CaminoRacer]

I'd agree that some might bid to show off, but you don't buy things to save money.

[FoMoJo]

I'd agree that some might bid to show off, but you don't buy things to save money.

Typically, they end up in museums.