Tesla

[Laconian]

3.14 = pi?

[93JC]

Maybe they were going to do it on the 15th but someone decided to bump it up a day lest it be on the Ides of March.

[CaminoRacer]

Oh goodness

[Eye of the Tiger]

The ides of March don't scare me...Bring it on.

[93JC]

That's not what the soothsayer told Caesar.

[Rich]

But y?

[2o6]

Why don't they fuckin wait until all the bugs on the 3 are worked out??

[12,000 RPM]

Why don't they fuckin wait until all the bugs on the 3 are worked out??

At Tesla, waiting is literally dying.

[AutobahnSHO]

Why don't they fuckin wait until all the bugs on the 3 are worked out??

you mean never??....   

[Raza]

You don't have to work the kinks out of the 3--just wait for them to all burn down, then sell new customers the Y.

[93JC]

Why don't they fuckin wait until all the bugs on the 3 are worked out??

You assume they'll work out the bugs in the 3. There's no reason for them to.

I wonder what resale on these things will look like in ten years...

[12,000 RPM]

You assume they'll work out the bugs in the 3. There's no reason for them to.

I wonder what resale on these things will look like in ten years...

Old Model Ss are still going for like $40K

As long as Elon is a God to his customers they will be fine. In this era of doubling down rather than admitting fault he's safe.

[MrH]

The wheels are coming off this week at a shocking pace.  If the stock continues to drop like this, Elon is going to get margin called soon.  I believe it's somewhere around $240-$245 as of a few months ago, but he might be even more leveraged now.

[12,000 RPM]

Dont glaze your underoos just yet, we've been here before

[Laconian]

https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging

250kW per car, WUTTTTT. The batteries will proactively get hot and bothered in anticipation of the electrification experience.

[FoMoJo]

Do Tesla's charging stations only work with Tesla vehicles?

[mzziaz]

Do Tesla's charging stations only work with Tesla vehicles?

Yes

[FoMoJo]

Yes

Too bad.  They need to make charging apparatus standard on all EVs for it to successful.  Tesla, having established such a large number of stations, could make a mint just on charging fees.  Someone will have to develop adapters for different EV manufacturers.

[MrH]

https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging

250kW per car, WUTTTTT. The batteries will proactively get hot and bothered in anticipation of the electrification experience.

Pretty sure all the Germans and Electrify America are doing 350 kW

[GoCougs]

Too bad.  They need to make charging apparatus standard on all EVs for it to successful.  Tesla, having established such a large number of stations, could make a mint just on charging fees.  Someone will have to develop adapters for different EV manufacturers.

Then you'd have to design the core of your EV (battery pack, and corresponding electrics) to be exactly like Tesla, which means asking/getting/buying the IP from Tesla, and then waiting for Tesla to make the design decisions, and copying anew. Any EV maker worth its salt will say hell to the no, esp. in the nascent period whilst various players are jockeying for positioning.

Supercharging is also somewhat bad for batteries - you don't want to do it very often. Non-Tesla EV makers are better off competing with Tesla in other ways (quality, reliability, service, range).

[CaminoRacer]

Then you'd have to design the core of your EV (battery pack, and corresponding electrics) to be exactly like Tesla, which means asking/getting/buying the IP from Tesla, and then waiting for Tesla to make the design decisions, and copying anew.

Yes, that's why all of our appliances use different proprietary plugs.

[MrH]

Yes, that's why all of our appliances use different proprietary plugs.

Tesla's charging port is their own proprietary design   Everyone else is using global standards.

[Galaxy]

Then you'd have to design the core of your EV (battery pack, and corresponding electrics) to be exactly like Tesla, which means asking/getting/buying the IP from Tesla, and then waiting for Tesla to make the design decisions, and copying anew. Any EV maker worth its salt will say hell to the no, esp. in the nascent period whilst various players are jockeying for positioning.

Supercharging is also somewhat bad for batteries - you don't want to do it very often. Non-Tesla EV makers are better off competing with Tesla in other ways (quality, reliability, service, range).

At least for europe all electric cars now on the market could use the Tesla Supercharging network from a technical point of view, since the EU mandated CCS as a standard. Tesla has however not come to a commercial agreement with other car companies. They want them to pay a portion of the maintenance and installation costs. 

[CaminoRacer]

Tesla's charging port is their own proprietary design   Everyone else is using global standards.

Impossible.

[2o6]

Tesla's charging port is their own proprietary design   Everyone else is using global standards.

Isn't it just US Tesla using a proprietary port? Don't European cars have a standard design?

[Soup DeVille]

Isn't it just US Tesla using a proprietary port? Don't European cars have a standard design?

I wouldn't assume that. The supercharger has to onow not to overheat the battery during charging to, so there would also have to be an interface for the battery temperature, possibly as well as access to the liquid cooling for the inverters to manage the heat during high power charges as well.

You could just have a "safe mode" for the Tesla superchargers for non Tesla vehicles, but it would probably operate at a fraction of its potential.

[Galaxy]

I wouldn't assume that. The supercharger has to onow not to overheat the battery during charging to, so there would also have to be an interface for the battery temperature, possibly as well as access to the liquid cooling for the inverters to manage the heat during high power charges as well.

You could just have a "safe mode" for the Tesla superchargers for non Tesla vehicles, but it would probably operate at a fraction of its potential.

That is a part of the CCS standard. The car sends its parameters to the charging point. The battery manager in the car is the master.

[GoCougs]

Yes, that's why all of our appliances use different proprietary plugs.

That's not charging however. That's supplying AC power to the in-device charger, which does the charging, of a likely industry standard/common battery pack. See the difference?

[GoCougs]

Isn't it just US Tesla using a proprietary port? Don't European cars have a standard design?

There is a ton of work that goes into battery charging, esp. whereby the pack is being charged remotely (i.e., pumping DC power directly into the battery pack). The port/plug/whatever is like 1% of it:

Voltage range
Current range
Managing heat
Assessing battery health
Equipment safety
People safety
Charge status

[2o6]

I wouldn't assume that. The supercharger has to onow not to overheat the battery during charging to, so there would also have to be an interface for the battery temperature, possibly as well as access to the liquid cooling for the inverters to manage the heat during high power charges as well.

You could just have a "safe mode" for the Tesla superchargers for non Tesla vehicles, but it would probably operate at a fraction of its potential.

I meant the plug itself....